Interesting little debate going on the blogs this morning. Anil Dash wants Flickr to pay its users, particularly the ones who put the most popular content onto the service. Caterina, co-founder of Flickr, answers back, says more to life than money.
That sounds cool, but there certainly is a belief among mainstream big company publishers I’m listening to that “user generated content” (I HATE that term) is how they are going to build profitable businesses. Basically, they are looking at bloggers and photographers and others as cheap labor. Get the stuff for free, stick ads next to it, and make a ton of money. That basically explains a large percentage of the Silicon Valley startup’s business plans lately too.
I feel the same about these folks as I felt about the folks who talked about “making sites sticky” in the late 1990s. They created business opportunity by being selfish and greedy. Which is sorta funny, when you think about it, isn’t it?
The real way to create a sticky site turned out to be to send people away from your site more often than anyone else.
It’ll be interesting to see if the best way to build a really great Internet business and a great Web-based community just might be to pay people to write, take photos, record podcasts, and give their knowledge into the system. Hmmm, what are the two of the hottest companies? eBay and Google. They pay their users, particularly ones who are popular (I have friends making $10,000+ a month off of Google ads, for instance).
[...] Flickr inserts ads in their site for non-paying members. They are making money off of YOUR pictures. The more popular, the more likely they will make money. Yet they are blocking the content they host from sites which have ads. (Read here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here for details about Flickr using ads on their sites). [...]
[...] Flickr inserts ads in their site for non-paying members. They are making money off of YOUR pictures. The more popular, the more likely they will make money. Yet they are blocking the content they host from sites which have ads. (Read here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here for details about Flickr using ads on their sites). [...]
Come on robert .. all the post is plain nonsense and the final is incredible:
“Or does it mean I should just make an automated script that grabs my interesting photos and posts them to my TypePad blog so that I can put ads on them?”
Come on robert .. all the post is plain nonsense and the final is incredible:
“Or does it mean I should just make an automated script that grabs my interesting photos and posts them to my TypePad blog so that I can put ads on them?”
[...] Y mientras Caterina, la fundadora de Flickr responde al tema y Scoble dice que “sería interesante ver si este modelo despega”. [...]
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To pay or – not? Ultimate decision, obviously, is upon Flickr itself. But IMHO, it would be great to Flickr itself, to honor part of its toplist photographers.
Flickr anyway doesn’t want to pay nothing? Guys, I beleive, there IS room for another Flickr (whatever it will be named)! Let’s build another photosharing service. Anybody?
To pay or – not? Ultimate decision, obviously, is upon Flickr itself. But IMHO, it would be great to Flickr itself, to honor part of its toplist photographers.
Flickr anyway doesn’t want to pay nothing? Guys, I beleive, there IS room for another Flickr (whatever it will be named)! Let’s build another photosharing service. Anybody?
Scobleizer – Microsoft Geek Blogger » Anil wants Flickr to pay
Scobleizer – Microsoft Geek Blogger » Anil wants Flickr to pay
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[...] Russell Beattie, Om Malik and TechCrunch are reporting on a soon-to-launch news service called Newsvine. The interesting bit? They plan to merge user-generated content with regular news items. Even better, they want to add revenue sharing to the mix. I personally believe in paying content creators for their efforts (it’s something I’m going to be working on a lot over the next few months), so I’m keen to watch this one unfold. In fact, I’d go so far as to say that users should be rewarded whenever they create value for a company or a community. A few weeks back, Anil Dash suggested that Flickr should pay users who create interesting content – he was largely shouted down by the Flickr devotees. But I think he’s got a point. Likewise, Mark Cuban put forward an interesting – but fatally flawed – idea on how big news corporations could share revenue with anyone who directed traffic their way. But enough hints – here’s more on Newsvine from Om Malik: Their model is pretty simple. Marry the content from generic news sources like Associated Press or Reuters, with citizen journalism. Newsvine will feature AP news feeds, which will account for about 80% of the content on the site. Rest of it will be made up of contributions from citizen journalists, who will sign-up and submit content to the site. So if you are a LA Lakers fan, then your columns could be featured right next to AP copy on a URL that will essentially look like Newsvine.com/Lakers. Given that I have been rallying against the whole concept of gross exploitation of “user generated content” you might be wondering why is it any different? Well, because you get a piece of the advertising that is sold against content you generated. Those of you who don’t want to write long articles, simply save the link to Newsvine with your comments. [...]
Suggest flickr that booger and go to Spy Media http://www.spymedia.com which previewed Nov 2005 and solves the problem flickr created. It’s based on an eBay like commerce system. It also requires every photo to be profiled before selling and news relevant before posting which eliminates being a dumping ground for family photos.
Suggest flickr that booger and go to Spy Media http://www.spymedia.com which previewed Nov 2005 and solves the problem flickr created. It’s based on an eBay like commerce system. It also requires every photo to be profiled before selling and news relevant before posting which eliminates being a dumping ground for family photos.
[...] Can/Should online communities users claim a share of the advertising revenues generated by their content? The blogosphere has been discussing this topic extensively… [...]
Silicon Valley comes to Oxford
To the Saïd Business School last night, to catch the evening panel discussion of this year’s Silicon Valley Comes to Oxford, the fourth in the Saïd’s annual series. These events bring together entrepreneurs, VCs and others involved in Silicon Valley,