Ian tells Web 2.0 types to not forget about SQL Server

November 1, 2005 By

Ian Landsman, who is a Web-based software developer (wrote HelpSpot, a Web-based help desk application), tells people not to forget about SQL Server. Why? Read his words:

“If you need some motivation here’s some. It’s now been 1 week since HelpSpot went live and free trials were available. In that time, 45% of all downloads have been for use with MS SQL Server.”

On the other hand Mike Sanders says it’ll be impossible for Microsoft to get into the new world. Says: “It is pretty clear to me that Microsoft in its present form can not possibly adapt to the changing technological world, since breaking the hierarchy is an integral part of that change.”

David Heinemeier Hansson (the guy who wrote Ruby on Rails) answers my post with: “To be frank, I don’t ever see the good times coming back for them. Microsoft will have to move to higher grounds. Get out of the infrastructure race. Like Apple did.”

John Evans thinks I’d leave to go to work for Google. Hmmm, no, I’m quite happy at Microsoft thank you very much!

That said, if I did leave, it wouldn’t be to work for two kids from Stanford. My wife went to Cal. That just wouldn’t go over in the family very well. ;-)

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  • http://www.b5media.com/ Jeremy Wright

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see you leave in 3-6 months mate. If you weren’t leaving, though, it would be because of some major changes inside MS or to your job.

    Either way, I think you’ve outgrown what you were hired for in a big way, so either stuff at work needs to change you’ll eventually get worn down and take a great offer that will help you “change the world” ;-)

  • http://www.b5media.com Jeremy Wright

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see you leave in 3-6 months mate. If you weren’t leaving, though, it would be because of some major changes inside MS or to your job.

    Either way, I think you’ve outgrown what you were hired for in a big way, so either stuff at work needs to change you’ll eventually get worn down and take a great offer that will help you “change the world” ;-)

  • http://geekswithblogs.net/bpaddock Brandon Paddock

    But Microsoft already went through the big structural changes that Mike talked about, back in September with the re-org.

  • http://geekswithblogs.net/bpaddock Brandon Paddock

    But Microsoft already went through the big structural changes that Mike talked about, back in September with the re-org.

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ scobleizer

    Brandon: that was just the first of many big changes at Microsoft.

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ scobleizer

    Brandon: that was just the first of many big changes at Microsoft.

  • http://unixpoet.com/ Brian Azzopardi

    > two kids from Stanford

    Considering these same kids have built a billion dollar company that is giving MS sleepless nights, I think that being dismissive ;)

  • http://unixpoet.com Brian Azzopardi

    > two kids from Stanford

    Considering these same kids have built a billion dollar company that is giving MS sleepless nights, I think that being dismissive ;)

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  • http://geekswithblogs.net/bpaddock Brandon Paddock

    Scoble -

    I know. Don’t you know what team I work on ;)

    But for us, the changes have already happened. For our customers, they begin *really* soon.

  • http://geekswithblogs.net/bpaddock Brandon Paddock

    Scoble -

    I know. Don’t you know what team I work on ;)

    But for us, the changes have already happened. For our customers, they begin *really* soon.

  • http://www.kbcafe.com/ Randy Charles Morin

    Actually, don’t forget about MSDE, the free verson of SQL Server. It’s like MySQL for Windows.

  • http://www.kbcafe.com Randy Charles Morin

    Actually, don’t forget about MSDE, the free verson of SQL Server. It’s like MySQL for Windows.

  • Innocent Bystander

    Why would anyone use SQLServer when PostgreSQL is free (like in beer), works on more platforms, and hasn’t historically been a major security risk?

    No reason that I can see.

  • Innocent Bystander

    Why would anyone use SQLServer when PostgreSQL is free (like in beer), works on more platforms, and hasn’t historically been a major security risk?

    No reason that I can see.

  • http://www.userscape.com/blog/ Ian Landsman

    Innocent Bystander, that’s not a practical solution for a software vendor. When businesses come to my site and need a help desk solution, but IT only supports SQL Server, should I turn them away and say “hey, rewrite every app in your business to use PG?”.

    There are loads of reasons why a company may have to use a certain DB solution or why they wouldn’t want to support more than one DB platform in their business.

    As a software vendor we need to support what are customers want to use. That’s why HelpSpot supports MS SQL, PostgreSQL, and MySQL.

  • http://www.userscape.com/blog/ Ian Landsman

    Innocent Bystander, that’s not a practical solution for a software vendor. When businesses come to my site and need a help desk solution, but IT only supports SQL Server, should I turn them away and say “hey, rewrite every app in your business to use PG?”.

    There are loads of reasons why a company may have to use a certain DB solution or why they wouldn’t want to support more than one DB platform in their business.

    As a software vendor we need to support what are customers want to use. That’s why HelpSpot supports MS SQL, PostgreSQL, and MySQL.

  • Innocent Bystander

    Ian – no Oracle?

    Seriously, I’m speaking from the standpoint of someone who needs a database, not someone who is writing an app to sell to people who have databases.

    If you need a database for your own use, pick the open free choice. As for the “support” stuff – I call red herring. You can buy support for Linux, PostgreSQL, whatever if you want to. The reality is that you’ll pretty much never need it. Even Oracle support isn’t a magic bullet and you’ll still end up doing most of the trouble shooting and recovery yourself if you have an incident.

  • Innocent Bystander

    Ian – no Oracle?

    Seriously, I’m speaking from the standpoint of someone who needs a database, not someone who is writing an app to sell to people who have databases.

    If you need a database for your own use, pick the open free choice. As for the “support” stuff – I call red herring. You can buy support for Linux, PostgreSQL, whatever if you want to. The reality is that you’ll pretty much never need it. Even Oracle support isn’t a magic bullet and you’ll still end up doing most of the trouble shooting and recovery yourself if you have an incident.

  • http://www.userscape.com/blog/ Ian Landsman

    I gotcha, but even from that perspective there is alot that goes into that decision. I think you can make that argument if you’re talking about a person, but with an organization it’s a bit harder.

    For instance, lets say I have an existing payroll system built on SQL Server. Now I’m adding a new billing system we’re building in house. If I choose to go with PostgreSQL (or any other DB), I’ve just doubled my work. I now have to maintain, update, and backup 2 different database systems whereas if I use SQL Server I have no additional work from an IT perspective because my backup and maintenance plans are already in place.

    I know what you’re saying, but I don’t think it’s as clear cut as you might think.

  • http://www.userscape.com/blog/ Ian Landsman

    I gotcha, but even from that perspective there is alot that goes into that decision. I think you can make that argument if you’re talking about a person, but with an organization it’s a bit harder.

    For instance, lets say I have an existing payroll system built on SQL Server. Now I’m adding a new billing system we’re building in house. If I choose to go with PostgreSQL (or any other DB), I’ve just doubled my work. I now have to maintain, update, and backup 2 different database systems whereas if I use SQL Server I have no additional work from an IT perspective because my backup and maintenance plans are already in place.

    I know what you’re saying, but I don’t think it’s as clear cut as you might think.

  • Jon

    “If you weren’t leaving, though, it would be because of some major changes inside MS or to your job.”

    Let’s hope it’s because of major changes inside MS.

    Microsoft needs more objective employees like Scoble.

  • Jon

    “If you weren’t leaving, though, it would be because of some major changes inside MS or to your job.”

    Let’s hope it’s because of major changes inside MS.

    Microsoft needs more objective employees like Scoble.

  • Dvorak C. Thurrot

    Objective employees are nice, but how about people who can actually get things done?

  • Dvorak C. Thurrot

    Objective employees are nice, but how about people who can actually get things done?

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ scobleizer

    Dvorak, we’re hiring. Are you one of those guys?

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ scobleizer

    Dvorak, we’re hiring. Are you one of those guys?

  • Jake

    Robert – I’ve applied, but maybe I have too much experience.

  • Jake

    Robert – I’ve applied, but maybe I have too much experience.

  • Innocent Bystander

    Ian,

    I’ve run quite a number of IT departments. SQL server would never get into the door as its a single platform solution and I like options. Oracle, Postgres, mysql (maybe – transaction support is a bit new), even Sybase will garner serious consideration. SQL Server will not.

    Also, you’ll still have 2 databases – 2 SQL server instances, 1 SQL server and 1 Postgres, doesn’t matter much. Its not zero work to care for an extra database.

  • Innocent Bystander

    Ian,

    I’ve run quite a number of IT departments. SQL server would never get into the door as its a single platform solution and I like options. Oracle, Postgres, mysql (maybe – transaction support is a bit new), even Sybase will garner serious consideration. SQL Server will not.

    Also, you’ll still have 2 databases – 2 SQL server instances, 1 SQL server and 1 Postgres, doesn’t matter much. Its not zero work to care for an extra database.