Liz notices a bit of sexism in reporting about Mind Camp

Liz Lawley, on misbehaving, notices that women in technology aren’t being given a good rep in media reports and that to get more women participating in the tech field we need more positive representations of the women who are already here and takes on a Seattle PI reporter who quoted Tara Hunt. Update: I fixed this paragraph to properly reflect the right publication.

Tara and Liz are both gifted with far more intellectual horsepower than I am. Tara is starting up her own company (actually she’s doing marketing for Riya, not quite starting it up herself) and Liz teaches college and is on sabattical working with Microsoft Research and Microsoft Search.

John’s blog post does seem to present a one-sided view of Tara, as she points out on her blog. She’s very impressive (I’ve talked with her several times) and her company and product (Riya) are getting lots of attention. I had lengthy conversations with both Liz and Tara yesterday and came away from both thinking “I wish I were smart like them.”

But, this is what’s great about blogs. If someone provides only one side of the story, others can provide more.

Update: John replied on his original blog post as to what his intention was.

Comments

  1. Thanks for this, Robert. It’s funny. I’m not really angry, just airing frustration. Like Liz says, none of it is done out of malice or negative intent (or at least I like to think it isn’t). The barriers are set up because of stereotypes. I really think that is the core issue. “Women don’t like math” or “Geeks are solitary, unsocial people” – those ideas perpetuate the gap that has been talked about quite often lately. Diversity is present and I think the acknowledgement of it will improve over time.

    Just for the record…I’m the online marketing manager for Riya…not the brains behind the idea. ;) I wish!

  2. Thanks for this, Robert. It’s funny. I’m not really angry, just airing frustration. Like Liz says, none of it is done out of malice or negative intent (or at least I like to think it isn’t). The barriers are set up because of stereotypes. I really think that is the core issue. “Women don’t like math” or “Geeks are solitary, unsocial people” – those ideas perpetuate the gap that has been talked about quite often lately. Diversity is present and I think the acknowledgement of it will improve over time.

    Just for the record…I’m the online marketing manager for Riya…not the brains behind the idea. ;) I wish!

  3. Wheeee, yet another photoservice. I am giddy.

    Flickr, HeyPix, PBase, Photographica, Album, Artists International, Zoto, Phanfare, CliPro, FotoSwap, GJPix, Viovio, Panoramio, PiXPO, Fotopic, Atpic, PixVillage, Shutterbook, snapmania, Photosight, Fotolog, Travel Photo Sharing, 23, care2connect, Club Photo, oFoto, Snapfish, Kodak EasyShare, PhotoSite, Buzznet, Shutterfly, Fotolog, Smugmug, Sony’s ImageStation (Zing engine), PhotoLoft and PhotoIsland, Walmart/Sam’s Club, Webshots, MyPhotoAlbum, Fotki, Zoto, Vimeo, Textamerica (sorta), YouTube, Photobucket, Epson PhotoCenter, dotPhoto…and I know I missed tons more….

  4. Wheeee, yet another photoservice. I am giddy.

    Flickr, HeyPix, PBase, Photographica, Album, Artists International, Zoto, Phanfare, CliPro, FotoSwap, GJPix, Viovio, Panoramio, PiXPO, Fotopic, Atpic, PixVillage, Shutterbook, snapmania, Photosight, Fotolog, Travel Photo Sharing, 23, care2connect, Club Photo, oFoto, Snapfish, Kodak EasyShare, PhotoSite, Buzznet, Shutterfly, Fotolog, Smugmug, Sony’s ImageStation (Zing engine), PhotoLoft and PhotoIsland, Walmart/Sam’s Club, Webshots, MyPhotoAlbum, Fotki, Zoto, Vimeo, Textamerica (sorta), YouTube, Photobucket, Epson PhotoCenter, dotPhoto…and I know I missed tons more….

  5. ack Zoto dupe…easy to get confused. Photo sharing is a bubble in the making, one or two will get all the traffic and toast everyone else. For every eBay, there are 1,000 sites that bit the dust.

  6. ack Zoto dupe…easy to get confused. Photo sharing is a bubble in the making, one or two will get all the traffic and toast everyone else. For every eBay, there are 1,000 sites that bit the dust.

  7. Robert, you want to meet an expo full of women who are smart, funny, running the show, and beautiful as well, come to Macworld. I’ll introduce you to more women running stuff than you can shake a stick at.

  8. Robert, you want to meet an expo full of women who are smart, funny, running the show, and beautiful as well, come to Macworld. I’ll introduce you to more women running stuff than you can shake a stick at.

  9. Christopher, you are a sad sad man. The first sad because you even bothered to make a list like that and the second sad because you did it not even for a product that Scoble linked to, but because a person Scoble talked about works on that product.

    If you’re going to troll, at least try a bit harder.

  10. Christopher, you are a sad sad man. The first sad because you even bothered to make a list like that and the second sad because you did it not even for a product that Scoble linked to, but because a person Scoble talked about works on that product.

    If you’re going to troll, at least try a bit harder.

  11. so does this mean will be seeing Microsoft ads with a half naked girl and the slogan “Imagine the possibilities”.

  12. so does this mean will be seeing Microsoft ads with a half naked girl and the slogan “Imagine the possibilities”.

  13. John,

    I’ll second your endorsement of MacWorld. I wish a few more of those women made it to WWDC, too.

  14. John,

    I’ll second your endorsement of MacWorld. I wish a few more of those women made it to WWDC, too.

  15. …company and product (Riya) are getting lots of attention.

    It wasn’t just the person see that “company and product” part? And I didn’t “come up” with that list it was actually from memory (honest to God, I had culled up prior info for some journalists but didn’t have that info handy, so did the best I could). I made a few dupe mistakes. Was just a differing opinion to the “lots of attention”. Besides it’s just an opinion. Interesting that bloggers define ‘troll’ as disagreement, others see it as “discussion”. But the heavy Web 2.0isms and the fact of Tara being Marketing makes Riya all but doomed.

  16. …company and product (Riya) are getting lots of attention.

    It wasn’t just the person see that “company and product” part? And I didn’t “come up” with that list it was actually from memory (honest to God, I had culled up prior info for some journalists but didn’t have that info handy, so did the best I could). I made a few dupe mistakes. Was just a differing opinion to the “lots of attention”. Besides it’s just an opinion. Interesting that bloggers define ‘troll’ as disagreement, others see it as “discussion”. But the heavy Web 2.0isms and the fact of Tara being Marketing makes Riya all but doomed.

  17. Actually, that’s a pretty impressive list of the photo sites, and I have T-shirts from most of them.

    I am on the Alpha list for Riya, though, and with my background I’m digging it right now. So, while the list is impressive, it’s not a good representation of what is going on with Riya.

  18. Actually, that’s a pretty impressive list of the photo sites, and I have T-shirts from most of them.

    I am on the Alpha list for Riya, though, and with my background I’m digging it right now. So, while the list is impressive, it’s not a good representation of what is going on with Riya.

  19. Scobles- I think this is the second time that ms.behaving is yelling fowl !!

    The last time she did I thought was at the usergroup moblization for msn search. She was only female in the working group to have been invited and accepted. The other female who was inivited was Tara of “google hacks” fame.

    I think that forum/event managers and companies (e.g MSFT, GOOG,YAHOO etc. Etc) should go out of way to make sure that there is even partipation in events and tech convergence meetings by inviting more females and companies should also sponser!!.

  20. Scobles- I think this is the second time that ms.behaving is yelling fowl !!

    The last time she did I thought was at the usergroup moblization for msn search. She was only female in the working group to have been invited and accepted. The other female who was inivited was Tara of “google hacks” fame.

    I think that forum/event managers and companies (e.g MSFT, GOOG,YAHOO etc. Etc) should go out of way to make sure that there is even partipation in events and tech convergence meetings by inviting more females and companies should also sponser!!.

  21. Thanks for linking to this, Robert.

    /pd, misbehaving is not just one person, it’s a group blog. And we do make it a habit to call out problems related to women and tech, as well as highlighting the successes…

  22. Thanks for linking to this, Robert.

    /pd, misbehaving is not just one person, it’s a group blog. And we do make it a habit to call out problems related to women and tech, as well as highlighting the successes…

  23. i think people need to lighten up. the press *always* does this. maybe these folks haven’t talked to enough reporters and then read the stories the next day. it’s not about sexism, it’s about the way many reporters write stories. men and women are misportrayed *all the time* in order to make the story better (funnier, more clever, more interesting, more damning, etc…).

    and it’s quite a jump to go from one person being misportrayed to extending that to a reflection on all women. if anyone is being sexist, it’s liz when she expects an individual (tara) to stand for all women. everyone is different.

    lighten up!

  24. i think people need to lighten up. the press *always* does this. maybe these folks haven’t talked to enough reporters and then read the stories the next day. it’s not about sexism, it’s about the way many reporters write stories. men and women are misportrayed *all the time* in order to make the story better (funnier, more clever, more interesting, more damning, etc…).

    and it’s quite a jump to go from one person being misportrayed to extending that to a reflection on all women. if anyone is being sexist, it’s liz when she expects an individual (tara) to stand for all women. everyone is different.

    lighten up!

  25. My company’s done unusual/interesting things, and I think/hope I said some insightful things. Had the free beer been attributed to me, that would be fine.

    So I can’t call this sexism. I can say the sausage party aspect brought me down, and of course we need to meditate and stay mindful of how to involve everyone (all facets of diversity) in the evolution of the industry.

  26. My company’s done unusual/interesting things, and I think/hope I said some insightful things. Had the free beer been attributed to me, that would be fine.

    So I can’t call this sexism. I can say the sausage party aspect brought me down, and of course we need to meditate and stay mindful of how to involve everyone (all facets of diversity) in the evolution of the industry.

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