Mary Jo warns Microsoft not to drink Web 2.0 koolaid

Mary Jo Foley warns Microsoft not to drink too much of the Web 2.0 koolaid in her post here.

Good advice. The real opportunity is in matching up an all Web strategy with an all-Windows strategy.

For instance, I am listening to Pandora here on my speakers while I work. Great service (and it’s now free, thanks TechCrunch for telling us that!) but I’d pay for a Windows application rather than having a Web based one. Why? I’d rather it be hidden on my task bar instead of being forced to take a browser window open. I’d pay for that capability. Also, I’d buy a subscription if it could put songs onto my computer for playing on my portable music device. Time shifting is really a big deal with this kind of service (I’m going to be stuck in a plane for two hours tomorrow and would like to have some new music to listen to there, why can’t Pandora supply it? I’d even pay $3 for two hours of music).

So, Mary Jo is right. We should learn from the Web 2.0 guys (which is why I’m going to the Riya launch party next Friday night) but we should match it with the best of Windows too.

In the meantime, I’m going to continue pushing hard in the direction of what most people are calling Web 2.0 (I call it anything that gets on TechCrunch). Why? Because I see significant business opportunities. I just think the real opportunities will come from what I call “the high def Web.”

What might this high def Web look like? Well, check out how you can make Yahoo maps fit into your Web page’s design better. That’s close. Now, how about making your Internet Connected Components fit into both the Web and into Windows? There’s huge opportunities there.

How about taking something like Microsoft Max (very cool, by the way) and making it work with the Web? See the opportunity yet? OK, keep watching. More ideas coming.

78 thoughts on “Mary Jo warns Microsoft not to drink Web 2.0 koolaid

  1. I (along with many others…) saw the “leaked* (*cough* PR *cough*) memos as a hand sign to Wall Street analysts, letting them know that, as always, MS is aware of current market conditions and is on the job. But the Bubble 2.0 hype, driven — as ever — by tech pundits who have an interest in proclaiming the Next Cool Thing can’t overcome some hard realities:

    MS, a $300B company that owns 90% of the world’s entry points to the internet (even higher in the enterprise) is hardly competing with a company that produces search results, online email and pretty maps for the low-margin consumer market. Although, granted, taking some of that Google revenue would be nice…

    The challenge for MS is to better coordinate their siloed product offerings, reducing over-reliance on the Partners, into packages of *solutions* for their business customers. Maybe its time for Microsoft Global Services?

    It will be interesting to see how much changes and how fast once Google’s stock price pops.

  2. I (along with many others…) saw the “leaked* (*cough* PR *cough*) memos as a hand sign to Wall Street analysts, letting them know that, as always, MS is aware of current market conditions and is on the job. But the Bubble 2.0 hype, driven — as ever — by tech pundits who have an interest in proclaiming the Next Cool Thing can’t overcome some hard realities:

    MS, a $300B company that owns 90% of the world’s entry points to the internet (even higher in the enterprise) is hardly competing with a company that produces search results, online email and pretty maps for the low-margin consumer market. Although, granted, taking some of that Google revenue would be nice…

    The challenge for MS is to better coordinate their siloed product offerings, reducing over-reliance on the Partners, into packages of *solutions* for their business customers. Maybe its time for Microsoft Global Services?

    It will be interesting to see how much changes and how fast once Google’s stock price pops.

  3. Not sure how they linked Sioux and Metallica, but it got into this weird downward spin zone and 5 songs away from the ever-overdone ‘Kiss Them For Me’, I was hearing bone-crunching mid-90s style trash, and it was that way until it got on this grundge-fest and Industrial click, with a zap back to pre-Joshua Tree U2 and then an Alarmish sound feel zone, with Sioux mixed in at various times and then a kick to ear-bleeding yelling Dry Kill Logic and more trash. I can’t really make any sense of this whatsoever. Frankly the DirectTV, Comcast and Sat radio stations do a far better job, blended better, if less direction. My DJ, buggers…fun for random discovery I guess. I could hit randomize on my CDs and do just as well, in fact better.

  4. Not sure how they linked Sioux and Metallica, but it got into this weird downward spin zone and 5 songs away from the ever-overdone ‘Kiss Them For Me’, I was hearing bone-crunching mid-90s style trash, and it was that way until it got on this grundge-fest and Industrial click, with a zap back to pre-Joshua Tree U2 and then an Alarmish sound feel zone, with Sioux mixed in at various times and then a kick to ear-bleeding yelling Dry Kill Logic and more trash. I can’t really make any sense of this whatsoever. Frankly the DirectTV, Comcast and Sat radio stations do a far better job, blended better, if less direction. My DJ, buggers…fun for random discovery I guess. I could hit randomize on my CDs and do just as well, in fact better.

  5. Great, so I decide to check out this Pandora, what all the bloggers a been a buzz over, never mind that I have spent years and hours, ripping my CDs of a liftime into a decent playlist, that takes months to play thru, but yet I do go there, and get ‘sudden increase in traffic, registered users only, would you like to register…blah blah blah.’ So I do, with a spam-filtered Yahoo, I poke around but then it crashes on me. I go back in, try and search, it crashes again. I fired it up, 3x, and a charm, and I create a ‘Siouxsie and the Banshees’ station, after an eternal waiting period, it comes up, but it sounds like it’s being pumped thro tinny rusted Chicken Noodle soup cans, Winamp with DFX it is not. I have super high bandwith here, so not that. And the volume between songs is not equalized, ouchhhh. Loud, soft, Loud, play with that volume knob like a pro mixer, wheee.

    And then the selections, worthy effort, but reminds me of the ‘High Fidelity’ obsessives, seeking mystical links where there are none. And I got it to freeze up “taking longer than expected” and it “had a small problem” with Transvision Vamp, Massive Attack, Sigue Sigue Sputnik and Sisters of Mercy. Wheee. Sioux worked, tho The Creatures didn’t. On second try, Sioux no longer worked. Buggggggggggy. And then it quit wholesale. Exited out, came back in, and plugged in “Sisters of Mercy” but it dumbly asked me if artist or if song name, I clicked artist, and it froze anew.

    Well so much for that. Great first impression. Why does all this web rot, just never work?

    Now if this like RadioTracker, and could cut to high-quality mp3 auto downloading, well Hello Dolly. It do that for the pay version?

    Musical Hairsplitting – “The act of classifying music and musicians into pathologically picayune categories: “The Vienna Franks are a good example of urban white acid folk revivalism crossed with ska.” – Douglas Coupland, in Generation X.

    This is a worthy effort, but yet still further proves how much raw human intelligence trumps automated mock-ups.

  6. Great, so I decide to check out this Pandora, what all the bloggers a been a buzz over, never mind that I have spent years and hours, ripping my CDs of a liftime into a decent playlist, that takes months to play thru, but yet I do go there, and get ‘sudden increase in traffic, registered users only, would you like to register…blah blah blah.’ So I do, with a spam-filtered Yahoo, I poke around but then it crashes on me. I go back in, try and search, it crashes again. I fired it up, 3x, and a charm, and I create a ‘Siouxsie and the Banshees’ station, after an eternal waiting period, it comes up, but it sounds like it’s being pumped thro tinny rusted Chicken Noodle soup cans, Winamp with DFX it is not. I have super high bandwith here, so not that. And the volume between songs is not equalized, ouchhhh. Loud, soft, Loud, play with that volume knob like a pro mixer, wheee.

    And then the selections, worthy effort, but reminds me of the ‘High Fidelity’ obsessives, seeking mystical links where there are none. And I got it to freeze up “taking longer than expected” and it “had a small problem” with Transvision Vamp, Massive Attack, Sigue Sigue Sputnik and Sisters of Mercy. Wheee. Sioux worked, tho The Creatures didn’t. On second try, Sioux no longer worked. Buggggggggggy. And then it quit wholesale. Exited out, came back in, and plugged in “Sisters of Mercy” but it dumbly asked me if artist or if song name, I clicked artist, and it froze anew.

    Well so much for that. Great first impression. Why does all this web rot, just never work?

    Now if this like RadioTracker, and could cut to high-quality mp3 auto downloading, well Hello Dolly. It do that for the pay version?

    Musical Hairsplitting – “The act of classifying music and musicians into pathologically picayune categories: “The Vienna Franks are a good example of urban white acid folk revivalism crossed with ska.” – Douglas Coupland, in Generation X.

    This is a worthy effort, but yet still further proves how much raw human intelligence trumps automated mock-ups.

  7. I agree with you that a stand-alone Pandora application would be nice. On the subject of a portable version of Pandora, it is apparently in the works. I interviewed the company’s founder, Tim Westergren, for an article I wrote recently on the service. Here’s an excerpt from the article:

    “One of the most commonly requested features has been the ability to listen to Pandora when not connected to the Internet. Westergren was vague about the specifics, but did say ‘the ability to have the exact same experience when you’re not connected is in the cards.’ He added, ‘Our goal is for this to be the best listening experience anytime and anywhere. That’s our mission—whether you’re jogging or in your car.’”

  8. I agree with you that a stand-alone Pandora application would be nice. On the subject of a portable version of Pandora, it is apparently in the works. I interviewed the company’s founder, Tim Westergren, for an article I wrote recently on the service. Here’s an excerpt from the article:

    “One of the most commonly requested features has been the ability to listen to Pandora when not connected to the Internet. Westergren was vague about the specifics, but did say ‘the ability to have the exact same experience when you’re not connected is in the cards.’ He added, ‘Our goal is for this to be the best listening experience anytime and anywhere. That’s our mission—whether you’re jogging or in your car.’”

  9. Robert:

    “Pandora is perfect. It builds me a radio station that runs all day long. The problem is it runs in the browser. I want it to run on my task bar as a Windows app.”

    I agree Pandora rocks, thanks for the link. I use Firefox and it’s just another tab in my browser (which is always open). Any reason you can’t operate this way?

    Also, does the Hotmail Beta (which is clearly based on Outlook Web Access) work fully in Firefox or Opera yet?

    Regards,
    Jeff

  10. Robert:

    “Pandora is perfect. It builds me a radio station that runs all day long. The problem is it runs in the browser. I want it to run on my task bar as a Windows app.”

    I agree Pandora rocks, thanks for the link. I use Firefox and it’s just another tab in my browser (which is always open). Any reason you can’t operate this way?

    Also, does the Hotmail Beta (which is clearly based on Outlook Web Access) work fully in Firefox or Opera yet?

    Regards,
    Jeff

  11. Robert:
    —————–
    Pandora is perfect. It builds me a radio station that runs all day long. The problem is it runs in the browser. I want it to run on my task bar as a Windows app.
    —————–

    Use Firefox and download the “minize to tray” plugin. Now you can minimize your Pandora window to the tray. I use it and it works perfectly…

    Good luck!

  12. Robert:
    —————–
    Pandora is perfect. It builds me a radio station that runs all day long. The problem is it runs in the browser. I want it to run on my task bar as a Windows app.
    —————–

    Use Firefox and download the “minize to tray” plugin. Now you can minimize your Pandora window to the tray. I use it and it works perfectly…

    Good luck!

  13. Yeah, Robert — The sharing in Max w/o the Web doesn’t make too much sense to me, but Max + Web would be really cool. The best of Smart Clients w/Vista and Web sharing of photos.

  14. Yeah, Robert — The sharing in Max w/o the Web doesn’t make too much sense to me, but Max + Web would be really cool. The best of Smart Clients w/Vista and Web sharing of photos.

  15. Seth: not even close to what I want.

    Pandora is perfect. It builds me a radio station that runs all day long. The problem is it runs in the browser. I want it to run on my task bar as a Windows app.

  16. Seth: not even close to what I want.

    Pandora is perfect. It builds me a radio station that runs all day long. The problem is it runs in the browser. I want it to run on my task bar as a Windows app.

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