#8: Doing my Silicon Valley homework — hello from HDTV land

My son is behind me blogging. Where are we? At the Palo Alto Apple store. Heh, figured if I was going to get to 100 posts about something other than, well, you know, that we better go do some homework. So, we went to Fry’s today. Yesterday I was at the Best Buy. Now we’re at the Apple store. Who’s we? Patrick, and Buzz Bruggeman.

It’s clear that the world is going HDTV. Sony had a big tent out in the parking lot with lots of people sitting in it. The salespeople were swarming. They know that everyone there is a potential $5,000 sale.

Ah, now we’re off to San Francisco to walk around the Golden Gate Bridge. More later.

Oh, and you guys who think that fonts are more readable on a Macintosh are just plain nuts and what’s up with this one button mouse? Heh, yeah, I’m gonna get flamed for those two statements, but I’m on a $1,299 Cinema display and the fonts just look fuzzy to me and the mouse is simply lame. Everything else sure looks sexy though.

One thing Apple sure has down is the retail experience. Aesthetically it’s the best in the industry. From the wood desk I’m typing to you from to the signage to the Eminem screen saver (which matches their TV advertising, which is also most excellent). Oh, and you can see HDTV’s influence all over the store here. Not to mention there’s a Sony HDV camcorder right next to me.

More fun things to come all week. I have lots of fun meetings setup here with people doing remarkable things.

Update, a reply to my son Patrick: using WordPress on the Mac/Safari doesn’t have a link command either (he noted he couldn’t figure out how to link on the Mac using his blogging service). I had to type my links by hand in HTML. It’s amazingly bad. Now I understand why so many people at blogging events don’t understand how to build links.

Comments

  1. So, it was really you yacking on your cell phone in the fry’s parking lot! I tried to explain to my father that this is a famous ‘blogger’. Of course, that did not make any sense to my dad.

  2. So, it was really you yacking on your cell phone in the fry’s parking lot! I tried to explain to my father that this is a famous ‘blogger’. Of course, that did not make any sense to my dad.

  3. You can enable the quicklinks bar on the posting page in wordpress. Its disabled by default because safari used to screw it up, but seeing as Safari passes the acid2 test, (and from what I saw in 1.5) I assume that it displays ok now.

    Look on the wordpress codec for the how-to on displaying it. (You remove a line of code I believe)

    Caius.

  4. You can enable the quicklinks bar on the posting page in wordpress. Its disabled by default because safari used to screw it up, but seeing as Safari passes the acid2 test, (and from what I saw in 1.5) I assume that it displays ok now.

    Look on the wordpress codec for the how-to on displaying it. (You remove a line of code I believe)

    Caius.

  5. > I’m on a $1,299 Cinema display and the fonts just look fuzzy to me

    If you are short-sighted, you may need a new pair of glasses (your eyes may not be discriminating the sub-pixel rendering correctly), or you may just be used to block shaped letters.

    Either way, it grows on you. People with good eyesight usually find sub-pixel antialiased fonts very smooth and pleasing to the eye.

    > Oh, and you guys who think that fonts are more readable on a Macintosh are just plain nuts.

    Yeah, just insult all the artistic folk and people who have an appreciation for calligraphic quality type.

    We may be plain nuts, but you, Robert Scoble, are an arrogant prick who is paid a lot of money to rubbish Microsoft’s competitors.

  6. > I’m on a $1,299 Cinema display and the fonts just look fuzzy to me

    If you are short-sighted, you may need a new pair of glasses (your eyes may not be discriminating the sub-pixel rendering correctly), or you may just be used to block shaped letters.

    Either way, it grows on you. People with good eyesight usually find sub-pixel antialiased fonts very smooth and pleasing to the eye.

    > Oh, and you guys who think that fonts are more readable on a Macintosh are just plain nuts.

    Yeah, just insult all the artistic folk and people who have an appreciation for calligraphic quality type.

    We may be plain nuts, but you, Robert Scoble, are an arrogant prick who is paid a lot of money to rubbish Microsoft’s competitors.

  7. Stefan: I drool over the 30-inch.

    Mikataur: sorry, but the font display technology on Macs is simply substandard. I love how everyone loves to praise Apple but won’t admit where they come short. You really need to spend some time on a nice high-end Tablet PC.

  8. Stefan: I drool over the 30-inch.

    Mikataur: sorry, but the font display technology on Macs is simply substandard. I love how everyone loves to praise Apple but won’t admit where they come short. You really need to spend some time on a nice high-end Tablet PC.

  9. Scobleizer: Sorry, but the font display technology in Mac OS X makes everything on the screen look like a high-quality rendered PDF, which funnily enough is exactly what it is.

    The font display technology is at least two generations ahead of Windows XP, and probably won’t even be matched by Vista.

    For the record, I used to own a Tablet PC, which I replaced with a high-end laptop. Microsoft ClearType on a tablet/laptop grade LCD isn’t a patch on a bright, high definition cinema display.

    If you genuinely can’t see that, you’re either blinded by poor eyesight or arrogance – Just because it’s different from what you’re used to doesn’t mean it’s “substandard.” Your opinions, it seems, are highly influenced by who pays you.

    And I did agree about the sucky mouse. ;)

  10. Scobleizer: Sorry, but the font display technology in Mac OS X makes everything on the screen look like a high-quality rendered PDF, which funnily enough is exactly what it is.

    The font display technology is at least two generations ahead of Windows XP, and probably won’t even be matched by Vista.

    For the record, I used to own a Tablet PC, which I replaced with a high-end laptop. Microsoft ClearType on a tablet/laptop grade LCD isn’t a patch on a bright, high definition cinema display.

    If you genuinely can’t see that, you’re either blinded by poor eyesight or arrogance – Just because it’s different from what you’re used to doesn’t mean it’s “substandard.” Your opinions, it seems, are highly influenced by who pays you.

    And I did agree about the sucky mouse. ;)

  11. Ah, wow, you have never really experianced using a computer before have you Robert? Most of the world wants to forget that they are using a thing that displays pixels and doesn’t want to see those jaged pixel lines around their fonts, they just plain look crappy! I had a windows box but then I reilized that I was creative and that the computer was hidering it so, I got a real machine.

  12. Ah, wow, you have never really experianced using a computer before have you Robert? Most of the world wants to forget that they are using a thing that displays pixels and doesn’t want to see those jaged pixel lines around their fonts, they just plain look crappy! I had a windows box but then I reilized that I was creative and that the computer was hidering it so, I got a real machine.

  13. The Cinema Display you were looking at must’ve been misadjusted, because the 23-inch Cinema Displays I have at home and at the office are gorgeous. They look so good that when I’m using Microsoft Office 2004 for the Mac to work on a 9-hour, 360-slide presentation in PowerPoint, I can put it into slide-sorting view with each slide shown on the screen and see enough detail on each slide to re-order them at will.

    As far as the single-button mouse goes, Apple did come out with the somewhat lame MightyMouse. For myself, I use a Microsoft Intellimouse with my PowerBook when ‘docked’, and use the built-in trackpad with a utility which allows me to split it up into a ‘left’ and ‘right’ portion.

  14. The Cinema Display you were looking at must’ve been misadjusted, because the 23-inch Cinema Displays I have at home and at the office are gorgeous. They look so good that when I’m using Microsoft Office 2004 for the Mac to work on a 9-hour, 360-slide presentation in PowerPoint, I can put it into slide-sorting view with each slide shown on the screen and see enough detail on each slide to re-order them at will.

    As far as the single-button mouse goes, Apple did come out with the somewhat lame MightyMouse. For myself, I use a Microsoft Intellimouse with my PowerBook when ‘docked’, and use the built-in trackpad with a utility which allows me to split it up into a ‘left’ and ‘right’ portion.

  15. I’m not impressed by Apple’s displays. Their design, image quality, pixel response times, and price are all easily beaten by a Dell, HP, or Samsung monitor. But I think mostly that’s because Apple’s just rebrands LG’s “value” panels and marks up the price a whole lot.

    Their font rendering, though, has always looked quite good to me.

    If you want to see crappy font rendering, try a Linux system .

  16. Hey guys,

    Remember the very first time you every saw ClearType? And/or the Mac equivalent? Remember how it was blurry and fuzzy and rainbow-y? But now your brain has gotten used to it. And the two techs are different. It’s not honest to judge either one without staring at it for several days at least.

    Just like playing with the type anti-aliasing method in Photoshop, ClearType versus the Mac equivalent have different goals. It would be nice if they were both more adjustable than they are.

    For an example of why ClearType can be better, look at the small text in this comparison. The ClearType kerning is HORRIFIC of course, Mac wins hands down there, but the 8 pt fonts in that example are quite a bit more blurry and less legible on the Mac.

    Another thing to keep in mind when you guys are picking your irrational sides in this religious war. PC laptop/tablet users are often looking at more pixels per inch. Jobs finally broke down and upgraded the latest Powerbooks to almost compete, but the pixels are just plain smaller on many laptops and tablets. As a result, things look smoother, even though the subpixel trickery isn’t as “smooth”. Then if those PC users look at a Mac screen, they are seeing beautifully smoothed text, but the pixels are big enough to poke an eye out, so the smoothing looks more like someone applied a blur filter.

    Again, it’s all about what your subconscious image processing facilities are used to. Use the other for more than 2 minutes before you judge it.

    And both side are flawed in that they don’t let you configure it. I want to see a dropdown just like Photoshop’s anti-alias method.

    Oh and one more thing. Please keep in mind that subpixel rendering is all a big hack to compensate for low res displays, just like NAT is a hack to compensate for IPv4. Someday we’ll be running 600 dpi displays and IPv6, and we won’t need subpixel rendering or NAT. Somebody wake me up when we get there.

  17. I’m not impressed by Apple’s displays. Their design, image quality, pixel response times, and price are all easily beaten by a Dell, HP, or Samsung monitor. But I think mostly that’s because Apple’s just rebrands LG’s “value” panels and marks up the price a whole lot.

    Their font rendering, though, has always looked quite good to me.

    If you want to see crappy font rendering, try a Linux system .

  18. Hey guys,

    Remember the very first time you every saw ClearType? And/or the Mac equivalent? Remember how it was blurry and fuzzy and rainbow-y? But now your brain has gotten used to it. And the two techs are different. It’s not honest to judge either one without staring at it for several days at least.

    Just like playing with the type anti-aliasing method in Photoshop, ClearType versus the Mac equivalent have different goals. It would be nice if they were both more adjustable than they are.

    For an example of why ClearType can be better, look at the small text in this comparison. The ClearType kerning is HORRIFIC of course, Mac wins hands down there, but the 8 pt fonts in that example are quite a bit more blurry and less legible on the Mac.

    Another thing to keep in mind when you guys are picking your irrational sides in this religious war. PC laptop/tablet users are often looking at more pixels per inch. Jobs finally broke down and upgraded the latest Powerbooks to almost compete, but the pixels are just plain smaller on many laptops and tablets. As a result, things look smoother, even though the subpixel trickery isn’t as “smooth”. Then if those PC users look at a Mac screen, they are seeing beautifully smoothed text, but the pixels are big enough to poke an eye out, so the smoothing looks more like someone applied a blur filter.

    Again, it’s all about what your subconscious image processing facilities are used to. Use the other for more than 2 minutes before you judge it.

    And both side are flawed in that they don’t let you configure it. I want to see a dropdown just like Photoshop’s anti-alias method.

    Oh and one more thing. Please keep in mind that subpixel rendering is all a big hack to compensate for low res displays, just like NAT is a hack to compensate for IPv4. Someday we’ll be running 600 dpi displays and IPv6, and we won’t need subpixel rendering or NAT. Somebody wake me up when we get there.

  19. Robert,

    TypePad has the same problem as WordPress with linking. Six Apart recommends Firefox (it supports WSIWYG editing and linking w/out HTML). I don’t have a WordPress blog to test it, but I recommend that you try Firefox.

    - Mike

  20. Robert,

    TypePad has the same problem as WordPress with linking. Six Apart recommends Firefox (it supports WSIWYG editing and linking w/out HTML). I don’t have a WordPress blog to test it, but I recommend that you try Firefox.

    - Mike

  21. C’mon Scoble, Cleartype vs. Quartz, bootleg Calvins peeing on Ford logos, what’s next?

    BTW, I use Windows 8 hours a day, and I’m convinced you’re hitting the pipe…

  22. C’mon Scoble, Cleartype vs. Quartz, bootleg Calvins peeing on Ford logos, what’s next?

    BTW, I use Windows 8 hours a day, and I’m convinced you’re hitting the pipe…

  23. “sorry, but the font display technology on Macs is simply substandard. [...] You really need to spend some time on a nice high-end Tablet PC.”

    I’m not sure what you mean by “high-end” Tablet PC, but I’m a Mac user who just got done using a Compaq TC1000 tablet PC as my exclusive machine for a 3 week business trip (my Pismo died after 5 years of heavy use, and I haven’t got around to replacing it yet).

    I’ve found the readability on both ClearType and Apple’s sub-pixel tech to be about the same, but to my eye, Apple’s font smoothing is much more pleasing to the eye. I find this to be especially true on web sites where pages rendered using Mac browsers (especially Safari) look like works of art, while type on Windows’ browsers look very ‘blocky’ in comparison.

    To each their own. And are you sure that the Mac’s you saw where properly configured? And when is Windows going to get a system-wide spell checker? ;)

    [BTW, another issue I have with Tablets - you absolutely need to have a convertible model if you're taking the Tablet on the road for one simple reason: the stylus gets misplaced, and since the screen isn't touch-sensitive, you're stuck if you lose the stylus (unless you can fall back to the keyboard). I lost the stylus to my Handspring PDA a couple of years ago, but I never bothered to replace it since I can use any old pen, or my finger in a pinch. I've misplaced my stylus on a couple of occasions and had to use the keyboard until I found it.]

  24. “sorry, but the font display technology on Macs is simply substandard. [...] You really need to spend some time on a nice high-end Tablet PC.”

    I’m not sure what you mean by “high-end” Tablet PC, but I’m a Mac user who just got done using a Compaq TC1000 tablet PC as my exclusive machine for a 3 week business trip (my Pismo died after 5 years of heavy use, and I haven’t got around to replacing it yet).

    I’ve found the readability on both ClearType and Apple’s sub-pixel tech to be about the same, but to my eye, Apple’s font smoothing is much more pleasing to the eye. I find this to be especially true on web sites where pages rendered using Mac browsers (especially Safari) look like works of art, while type on Windows’ browsers look very ‘blocky’ in comparison.

    To each their own. And are you sure that the Mac’s you saw where properly configured? And when is Windows going to get a system-wide spell checker? ;)

    [BTW, another issue I have with Tablets - you absolutely need to have a convertible model if you're taking the Tablet on the road for one simple reason: the stylus gets misplaced, and since the screen isn't touch-sensitive, you're stuck if you lose the stylus (unless you can fall back to the keyboard). I lost the stylus to my Handspring PDA a couple of years ago, but I never bothered to replace it since I can use any old pen, or my finger in a pinch. I've misplaced my stylus on a couple of occasions and had to use the keyboard until I found it.]

  25. Herb: I’m at my brother-in-law’s house right now. He works on the Mac team at Apple. His computer looks the same. Even he agrees type is more readable on the Mac.

    Oh, by the way, who has a patent on sub-pixel font rendering? You guessed right. And, who licensed same to Apple? You guessed right.

    Touche on spell checker.

    Jorgen: yeah, at the store I logged off of WordPress just fine.

  26. Herb: I’m at my brother-in-law’s house right now. He works on the Mac team at Apple. His computer looks the same. Even he agrees type is more readable on the Mac.

    Oh, by the way, who has a patent on sub-pixel font rendering? You guessed right. And, who licensed same to Apple? You guessed right.

    Touche on spell checker.

    Jorgen: yeah, at the store I logged off of WordPress just fine.

  27. Thomas: I’m looking into it. I have an HD camcorder but the file sizes are wacky big. At our traffic levels we’re going to get complaints and we’re going to increase Microsoft’s bandwidth bill at some point. I’ll play around with it, though, and see where it’ll be smart to do it.

  28. Thomas: I’m looking into it. I have an HD camcorder but the file sizes are wacky big. At our traffic levels we’re going to get complaints and we’re going to increase Microsoft’s bandwidth bill at some point. I’ll play around with it, though, and see where it’ll be smart to do it.

  29. Scoble: just use bit torrent!!! i would have no problem seeding it, and i’m sure no one on channel 9 would too.

    you even said in an earlier blog post about how much you love bit torrent fro finding hd content. then lets use it to share it!

  30. Scoble: just use bit torrent!!! i would have no problem seeding it, and i’m sure no one on channel 9 would too.

    you even said in an earlier blog post about how much you love bit torrent fro finding hd content. then lets use it to share it!

  31. Robert,

    All new apple desktop systems now ship with the Mighty Mouse, so your one-button-mouse joke is *so* 2004. (Unless you’re making a joke about the powerbook.) ;)

  32. Robert,

    All new apple desktop systems now ship with the Mighty Mouse, so your one-button-mouse joke is *so* 2004. (Unless you’re making a joke about the powerbook.) ;)

  33. Scoble:

    Isn’t the issue for the links on blogger a blogger issue and not a safari issue? Check their supported browser page:

    Blogger Browser Matrix
    Blogger’s awesome wysiwyg editing features are fully supported in the latest versions of the most popular web browsers: Internet Explorer 6/Windows and Mozilla Firefox. Safari support is coming, eventually.

    Blogger’s Preview mode and HTML formatting buttons work in some older browsers, but not in others. This table shows what works where. Please upgrade your browser if you want to use Blogger’s latest and greatest features!

  34. Scoble:

    Isn’t the issue for the links on blogger a blogger issue and not a safari issue? Check their supported browser page:

    Blogger Browser Matrix
    Blogger’s awesome wysiwyg editing features are fully supported in the latest versions of the most popular web browsers: Internet Explorer 6/Windows and Mozilla Firefox. Safari support is coming, eventually.

    Blogger’s Preview mode and HTML formatting buttons work in some older browsers, but not in others. This table shows what works where. Please upgrade your browser if you want to use Blogger’s latest and greatest features!

  35. Scoble, can you acknowledge that the “readability” issue is mostly a matter of preference? (Maybe you already have? Hard to tell.)

    I work on both platforms, but mostly on Mac, by choice.

    I tend to think MS’s display is “sharper;” in certain applications, and at small font sizes, I tend to prefer it.

    I consider Apple’s display “smoother,” and generally more pleasing to the eye.

    You predicted the flames, because I think you knew you were over-generalizing on a preference-based issue.

    I hate Apple’s mice. Not sure I’d waste even two words blogging on that subject, though, since even fuzzy Martian caterpillars are aware that Apple has shipped lame one-button mice since the beginning of time.

    One tends to think that with all of Apple’s design talent, they could come up with a kick-butt mouse or a quantum-leap input device. Alas, the Mighty Mouse ain’t neither. Give it another twenty years or so . . .

  36. Scoble, can you acknowledge that the “readability” issue is mostly a matter of preference? (Maybe you already have? Hard to tell.)

    I work on both platforms, but mostly on Mac, by choice.

    I tend to think MS’s display is “sharper;” in certain applications, and at small font sizes, I tend to prefer it.

    I consider Apple’s display “smoother,” and generally more pleasing to the eye.

    You predicted the flames, because I think you knew you were over-generalizing on a preference-based issue.

    I hate Apple’s mice. Not sure I’d waste even two words blogging on that subject, though, since even fuzzy Martian caterpillars are aware that Apple has shipped lame one-button mice since the beginning of time.

    One tends to think that with all of Apple’s design talent, they could come up with a kick-butt mouse or a quantum-leap input device. Alas, the Mighty Mouse ain’t neither. Give it another twenty years or so . . .

  37. Todd: I was talking about the mouse I was using in the Palo Alto Apple Store. I assume that’s the Mighty Mouse. It sucks. Pure and simple sucks. You guys need to use a real mouse and see how much more productive you’ll be.

    Splashman: I’ll go with that. I theorize that readability is much higher on the Windows screen. But the overall effect of the Mac screen is sexier, I’ll give you that.

    Mujibur: you have absolutely no clue about how different the technologies that do font display and what Woz came up with are. Why don’t you sit down with Bill Hill for a while and talk about it. I’ve seen the work the font folks did. Saying that they are the same is like saying a Formula One Race Tire is basically the same as work done in the 1970s by Goodyear. Well, they are round. They are black. But the similarities end about there.

  38. Todd: I was talking about the mouse I was using in the Palo Alto Apple Store. I assume that’s the Mighty Mouse. It sucks. Pure and simple sucks. You guys need to use a real mouse and see how much more productive you’ll be.

    Splashman: I’ll go with that. I theorize that readability is much higher on the Windows screen. But the overall effect of the Mac screen is sexier, I’ll give you that.

    Mujibur: you have absolutely no clue about how different the technologies that do font display and what Woz came up with are. Why don’t you sit down with Bill Hill for a while and talk about it. I’ve seen the work the font folks did. Saying that they are the same is like saying a Formula One Race Tire is basically the same as work done in the 1970s by Goodyear. Well, they are round. They are black. But the similarities end about there.

  39. Mice all suck. they’re too small, they break too easy, and require FAR too much desk space.

    Now a big-arsed Kensington Trackball? That’s an input device. Requires less space than a mouse, never moves, and has great big bearings that you couldn’t break with a stick.

    Pfah, arguing about which mouse is the best is like arguing which version of Windows has a crappier UI.

  40. Mice all suck. they’re too small, they break too easy, and require FAR too much desk space.

    Now a big-arsed Kensington Trackball? That’s an input device. Requires less space than a mouse, never moves, and has great big bearings that you couldn’t break with a stick.

    Pfah, arguing about which mouse is the best is like arguing which version of Windows has a crappier UI.

  41. Sorry Robert, but the OS X font comments are incorrect and the attitude about them is uncalled for. Have you heard of the X vs. XP site? They take an objective look at OS X and Windows XP and break it down into a billion categories. I can find no bias in it as each OS gets lots of low and high marks where appropriate. This is their page on fonts: http://www.xvsxp.com/fonts/

    It’s close, 9-8, but Mac OS X wins. Look at their samples. It’s very clear which OS is pushing out better fonts and on top of that, you give me a call when Windows is doing ligatures. Do a find for “fun with ligatures” and you’ll see an amazing screenshot. I hope we can someday get fonts like that on the web.

  42. Sorry Robert, but the OS X font comments are incorrect and the attitude about them is uncalled for. Have you heard of the X vs. XP site? They take an objective look at OS X and Windows XP and break it down into a billion categories. I can find no bias in it as each OS gets lots of low and high marks where appropriate. This is their page on fonts: http://www.xvsxp.com/fonts/

    It’s close, 9-8, but Mac OS X wins. Look at their samples. It’s very clear which OS is pushing out better fonts and on top of that, you give me a call when Windows is doing ligatures. Do a find for “fun with ligatures” and you’ll see an amazing screenshot. I hope we can someday get fonts like that on the web.

  43. I can’t stand to use those auto-linking things. They all seem to behave differently, so I spend time cleaning up after them rather than linkin. I much prefer to do it by hand with HTML.

  44. I can’t stand to use those auto-linking things. They all seem to behave differently, so I spend time cleaning up after them rather than linkin. I much prefer to do it by hand with HTML.

  45. For some stupid reason, Macs often default to the non-subpixel anti-aliasing. You may have had that problem in the Apple store.
    High pixel-density laptops are also an Apple blindspot. I’d love a 12″ PowerBook with a 1600×1200 screen.

  46. For some stupid reason, Macs often default to the non-subpixel anti-aliasing. You may have had that problem in the Apple store.
    High pixel-density laptops are also an Apple blindspot. I’d love a 12″ PowerBook with a 1600×1200 screen.

  47. “Herb: I’m at my brother-in-law’s house right now. He works on the Mac team at Apple.”

    We know Scoble – this is about the 2,000,000th time you’ve mentioned this (sorry to be a little snarky, but whenever you make a Mac comparison, you always mention this. It’s an appeal to authority, and it’s getting old).

    “His computer looks the same. Even he agrees type is more readable on the Mac.”

    Presumably you meant “he agrees type is more readable on *XP*”

    Like I said, I don’t agree, and I’ve used XP and OS X extensively. It’s a matter of personal preference. Or do you know of an objective 3rd-party study that says otherwise?

    “Oh, by the way, who has a patent on sub-pixel font rendering? You guessed right. And, who licensed same to Apple? You guessed right.”

    So, would that have been part of the cross-licensing settlement that MS reached with Apple for using stolen QuickTime code (http://tinyurl.com/9q2b9) ?
    ;)

    “You guys need to use a real mouse and see how much more productive you’ll be.”

    Scoble, do you *really* believe that Mac users go through life never touching a Windows machine with its “real mouse” and unreadable sub-pixel AA? The majority of my computer use (because of work and public terminals) has been on Windows machine, and I’d be shocked if there are a significant number of people who say otherwise. I’ve used real mice. In fact I *own* a couple of real mice – they’re in a drawer somewhere. Somehow, someway, against all the odds, the stock Apple mice have met my needs.

    Well not the hockey puck mice, those truly suck. ;)

  48. “Herb: I’m at my brother-in-law’s house right now. He works on the Mac team at Apple.”

    We know Scoble – this is about the 2,000,000th time you’ve mentioned this (sorry to be a little snarky, but whenever you make a Mac comparison, you always mention this. It’s an appeal to authority, and it’s getting old).

    “His computer looks the same. Even he agrees type is more readable on the Mac.”

    Presumably you meant “he agrees type is more readable on *XP*”

    Like I said, I don’t agree, and I’ve used XP and OS X extensively. It’s a matter of personal preference. Or do you know of an objective 3rd-party study that says otherwise?

    “Oh, by the way, who has a patent on sub-pixel font rendering? You guessed right. And, who licensed same to Apple? You guessed right.”

    So, would that have been part of the cross-licensing settlement that MS reached with Apple for using stolen QuickTime code (http://tinyurl.com/9q2b9) ?
    ;)

    “You guys need to use a real mouse and see how much more productive you’ll be.”

    Scoble, do you *really* believe that Mac users go through life never touching a Windows machine with its “real mouse” and unreadable sub-pixel AA? The majority of my computer use (because of work and public terminals) has been on Windows machine, and I’d be shocked if there are a significant number of people who say otherwise. I’ve used real mice. In fact I *own* a couple of real mice – they’re in a drawer somewhere. Somehow, someway, against all the odds, the stock Apple mice have met my needs.

    Well not the hockey puck mice, those truly suck. ;)

  49. Using Macs and PCs side-by-side for some time, I’d say that the displays are quite similar. Now, I’ve been using tubes (mostly Trinitrons), not LCD/Plasma jobbies, as they’re still generally superior for graphics and video production.

    As far as the mouse, yeah, I prefer more than one button. So, I use an MSFT optical two-button-plus-scroll-wheel model that I absolutely love. Works great on both platforms.

  50. Using Macs and PCs side-by-side for some time, I’d say that the displays are quite similar. Now, I’ve been using tubes (mostly Trinitrons), not LCD/Plasma jobbies, as they’re still generally superior for graphics and video production.

    As far as the mouse, yeah, I prefer more than one button. So, I use an MSFT optical two-button-plus-scroll-wheel model that I absolutely love. Works great on both platforms.

  51. wow this really got the Apple Trolls buzzing, Apple is far superior to anything else that has ever been created in the world of computing!

    gimme a break

    you say scoble writes with a slanted view

    How about the trolls

    APPLE IS FAR SUPERIOR
    LONG LIVE OUR LEADER JOBS
    WE LOVE PAYING WAY MORE THEN ANYONE ELSE FOR HARDWARE
    WE LOVE LOVE PROPIETARY SOFTWARE FROM APPLE
    LONG LIVE APPLE!
    oh ya I forgot one more thing
    IF YOU SPEAK BAD ABOUT ANYTHING FROM APPLE I WILL STICK MY FINGERS IN MY EARS AND CHANT BECAUSE I DON’T WANT TO HEAR ANYTHING BAD ABOUT APPLE

  52. wow this really got the Apple Trolls buzzing, Apple is far superior to anything else that has ever been created in the world of computing!

    gimme a break

    you say scoble writes with a slanted view

    How about the trolls

    APPLE IS FAR SUPERIOR
    LONG LIVE OUR LEADER JOBS
    WE LOVE PAYING WAY MORE THEN ANYONE ELSE FOR HARDWARE
    WE LOVE LOVE PROPIETARY SOFTWARE FROM APPLE
    LONG LIVE APPLE!
    oh ya I forgot one more thing
    IF YOU SPEAK BAD ABOUT ANYTHING FROM APPLE I WILL STICK MY FINGERS IN MY EARS AND CHANT BECAUSE I DON’T WANT TO HEAR ANYTHING BAD ABOUT APPLE

  53. “You guys need to use a real mouse and see how much more productive you’ll be.”

    Uh, Robert, no. That’s a gross over-generalisation.

    It’s not true for me, and it’s not true for plenty of Mac users. It’s also not true for plenty of Windows users who never use anything other than their left mouse button.

    As for appearance of fonts? I sit in front of a 20″ Apple display all day at work flanked by a couple of Dell monitors. One of those is occasionally attached to a Windows box (I’m a responsible user: it’s never connected to the network) and I much prefer the fonts on my Macs. Note that I’m not saying it’s better and Microsoft’s look like crap, because that would be trolling, and even if I don’t happen to like the washed out blurry look that I get on Windows set to ClearType, especially on italicised text, that’s personal opinion.

  54. “You guys need to use a real mouse and see how much more productive you’ll be.”

    Uh, Robert, no. That’s a gross over-generalisation.

    It’s not true for me, and it’s not true for plenty of Mac users. It’s also not true for plenty of Windows users who never use anything other than their left mouse button.

    As for appearance of fonts? I sit in front of a 20″ Apple display all day at work flanked by a couple of Dell monitors. One of those is occasionally attached to a Windows box (I’m a responsible user: it’s never connected to the network) and I much prefer the fonts on my Macs. Note that I’m not saying it’s better and Microsoft’s look like crap, because that would be trolling, and even if I don’t happen to like the washed out blurry look that I get on Windows set to ClearType, especially on italicised text, that’s personal opinion.

  55. “I theorize that readability is much higher on the Windows screen. But the overall effect of the Mac screen is sexier, I’ll give you that.”

    You theorize? As in, you have some general principle to back you up? I believe what you have is a blind guess based on personal preference. Not that there’s anything wrong with that — just the connotation of ‘theorize’ is you taking an unsupportable stance.

    As far as Mac screen resolution, read John Gruber’s excellent post which addresses the subject: http://daringfireball.net/2005/11/full_metal_jacket
    As always, Gruber is witty and accurate, and isn’t trolling (which is more than can be said for some).

  56. “I theorize that readability is much higher on the Windows screen. But the overall effect of the Mac screen is sexier, I’ll give you that.”

    You theorize? As in, you have some general principle to back you up? I believe what you have is a blind guess based on personal preference. Not that there’s anything wrong with that — just the connotation of ‘theorize’ is you taking an unsupportable stance.

    As far as Mac screen resolution, read John Gruber’s excellent post which addresses the subject: http://daringfireball.net/2005/11/full_metal_jacket
    As always, Gruber is witty and accurate, and isn’t trolling (which is more than can be said for some).