Off to London, come to the geek dinner tomorrow

The geek & blogger dinner is still open tomorrow. You’re invited! Damn, I have about 500 things to blog but no time.

At last night’s geek dinner, some photos here (by Coolz0r), Mena Trott was certainly the topic of conversation. It’s real interesting how a talk at a small conference can be discussed around the world (people in five countries have sent me email asking about what happened). For the record, I wasn’t there, I slept in that morning. Shel, my co-author, told me all about it (he stuck up for Mena and for civility).

Personally, I’ve found that trying to tell people who aren’t nice to do anything is just an exercise in futility.

Anyway, we had a great time in Brussels, more later if I can get a few minutes away from our busy schedule.

Comments

  1. Robert,
    Didn’t expect you to blog about us before we directly came to you. ;)

    But thanks for the mention. BTW, the link you used was meant to be cut and pasted into your blog entry so that the photo album is intergrated inline with your blog.

    Your or anyone else that wants to embedded/”Syndicate” a copy of the album (oh that word is just too smart for my fragile little mind ), just cut and paste this into your blog:

    Or the proper link the the “big” version of the album would be Here

    Or check out this example here Here

    (Randy, , Thanks for the Pictures!)

  2. Robert,
    Didn’t expect you to blog about us before we directly came to you. ;)

    But thanks for the mention. BTW, the link you used was meant to be cut and pasted into your blog entry so that the photo album is intergrated inline with your blog.

    Your or anyone else that wants to embedded/”Syndicate” a copy of the album (oh that word is just too smart for my fragile little mind ), just cut and paste this into your blog:

    Or the proper link the the “big” version of the album would be Here

    Or check out this example here Here

    (Randy, , Thanks for the Pictures!)

  3. [...] 予想されたことではあるが、とうとうこの話題が tech.memeorandum でトップに来てしまった。 Mena Trott は新しい記事をポストし、Civility を Responsibility/Accountability に言い替えている。良い戦術だろう。Civility という語は、Ben Metcalife が「Patronizing と感じた」と言っているように、「文明人である Six Apart CEO 様が無知蒙昧な Blogosphere の野蛮人を啓蒙する」というイメージを与える。 しかし一旦 Civility という言葉に反発を覚えた Blogger 達を今からなだめるのは難しいかもしれない。Silicon Valley Watcher は ronic Design offers better proof than Intelligent Design という捻ったタイトルの記事を載せている。MovableType によって Blogosphere を創造した (と称する) Mena Trott が、被造物たるBlogger達を「お前達もっと礼節を知りなさい」と諭したところ、皮肉にもそっぽを向かれてしまった、という意味合いである。 一方 Robert Scoble によれば、Shel Israel はブリュッセルでの Geek Dinner の席でも Mena Trott を弁護していたとのこと。Scoble 自身はこの件について深入りを避けているようだ。 [...]

  4. Sorry about the above, that was very noob of me, the code is here:

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  5. Sorry about the above, that was very noob of me, the code is here:

    <iframe scrolling="no" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" frameborder="0" src="http://www.bubbleshare.com/album/4927.8f6c91b2e3e/mini" style="width:283px;height:235px;"></iframe>

  6. [...] I do respect Scoble (and Maryam) for their commitment. If I had to travel like them through Europe, I’m not quite sure I would bring up the energy to meet and talk all day with just anyone who wants to participate in the conversation. That’s what true evangelism is all about. That’s why Scoble is where he is, and not someone else. [...]

  7. An argument between bloggers at a bloggers conference discussed (or mainly referenced) by bloggers.

    That echo thing again.

  8. An argument between bloggers at a bloggers conference discussed (or mainly referenced) by bloggers.

    That echo thing again.

  9. Yeah that echo thing. Tho it did break out into wider mainstream, more so than usual, as such be rich in irony. And with the blug overhyped hubris, any missteps will bring out a small army of press snipers.

    Amazing tho, going all “f$^&$^ you” in the middle of a speech about civility. And it’s not so much about being civil, it’s just that she doesn’t know how to handle bad PR. You have to look above the fray, yet while not immune to real systematic problems. For the echo crowd, she raised an important point, although one already raised (with great derision) by Forbes, but to anyone outside the echo, it reeks of pure hypocrisy.

  10. Yeah that echo thing. Tho it did break out into wider mainstream, more so than usual, as such be rich in irony. And with the blug overhyped hubris, any missteps will bring out a small army of press snipers.

    Amazing tho, going all “f$^&$^ you” in the middle of a speech about civility. And it’s not so much about being civil, it’s just that she doesn’t know how to handle bad PR. You have to look above the fray, yet while not immune to real systematic problems. For the echo crowd, she raised an important point, although one already raised (with great derision) by Forbes, but to anyone outside the echo, it reeks of pure hypocrisy.

  11. Hi Robert

    I was there and Ben Metcalfe (I am from the BBC and very important as he made sure everyone knew)and several of his juvenile cohorts – from Riya and Flock – simply spent the whole conference on the IRC conf backchannel during sessions making rude and derogatory comments about the speakers and the overall conference.

    Why did they bother coming to the event if their sole aim was to go out and get pissed the night before – see Flickr pictures tagged LesBlogs and the guy mooning – and not contribute to the event in a constructive way.

    Mena was right to pull him up in front of the whole conference and challenge him about his comments. Not so loud and opinionated then! Ben looked like a little school being told off and tried to justify his juvenile behaviour. It would have been better if he had just apologised.

    But then to make matters worse he spoke to the UK press at the event blaming the conference organisers for providing the backchannel. He also implied that he was the most important technologist blogger in the BBC not that Tom coates had left and he alone was responsible for using the Moveable Type services at the BBC and he would make sure that the BBC changed their supplier in order to get back at Mena and Six Apart. Poor deluded child!

    I’m sure his boss Ashley Highfield would like to know that the BBC was being represented on the world stage so well with such civility.

    Ben I have also just read your blog and its not nice being imfamous for this.

  12. Hi Robert

    I was there and Ben Metcalfe (I am from the BBC and very important as he made sure everyone knew)and several of his juvenile cohorts – from Riya and Flock – simply spent the whole conference on the IRC conf backchannel during sessions making rude and derogatory comments about the speakers and the overall conference.

    Why did they bother coming to the event if their sole aim was to go out and get pissed the night before – see Flickr pictures tagged LesBlogs and the guy mooning – and not contribute to the event in a constructive way.

    Mena was right to pull him up in front of the whole conference and challenge him about his comments. Not so loud and opinionated then! Ben looked like a little school being told off and tried to justify his juvenile behaviour. It would have been better if he had just apologised.

    But then to make matters worse he spoke to the UK press at the event blaming the conference organisers for providing the backchannel. He also implied that he was the most important technologist blogger in the BBC not that Tom coates had left and he alone was responsible for using the Moveable Type services at the BBC and he would make sure that the BBC changed their supplier in order to get back at Mena and Six Apart. Poor deluded child!

    I’m sure his boss Ashley Highfield would like to know that the BBC was being represented on the world stage so well with such civility.

    Ben I have also just read your blog and its not nice being imfamous for this.

  13. Don’t kid yourself, Shel came out as an preening interfering jerk, what with that childish ‘raise your hands’ pitch. Doubt me? I have a whole email list to back it up. So pray tell how, is going all f#4%! out ‘civil’? ;)

    Think John Milton. If ‘God’ stoops to the level of ‘Satan’, he is no longer ‘God’.

  14. Don’t kid yourself, Shel came out as an preening interfering jerk, what with that childish ‘raise your hands’ pitch. Doubt me? I have a whole email list to back it up. So pray tell how, is going all f#4%! out ‘civil’? ;)

    Think John Milton. If ‘God’ stoops to the level of ‘Satan’, he is no longer ‘God’.