Can I shoot someone?

I just asked someone why they only provide partial-text feeds. Here’s the answer I got back:

Currently our sites only provide excerpt feeds because we feel it is really important to get customers to our sites. We will be looking into full text feeds to see if this is something that is feasible for our sites. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

OK, let me get this straight? You’re asking me to send people to your Web site, but you treat me like a slave? Got it. Unsubscribed! No link for you. You just lost my 18 readers. Er, NewsGator says I have 18,000 subscribers. None of them for you. I’m not going to be your slave today. No sirreeeeeeeee.

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ scobleizer

    Jamie: I’ll look into it. I use NewsGator and RSS Bandit and I’m seeing full-text feeds there.

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ scobleizer

    Jamie: I’ll look into it. I use NewsGator and RSS Bandit and I’m seeing full-text feeds there.

  • http://htchien.blogspot.com/ Hsiang-Tai Chien

    So I guess I’m one of your 18,000 RSS subscribers.

    BTW, I think to use full text should be good to readers.

  • http://htchien.blogspot.com/ Hsiang-Tai Chien

    So I guess I’m one of your 18,000 RSS subscribers.

    BTW, I think to use full text should be good to readers.

  • http://htchien.blogspot.com Hsiang-Tai Chien

    So I guess I’m one of your 18,000 RSS subscribers.

    BTW, I think to use full text should be good to readers.

  • dmad

    See, Jeremy, here’s the problem. Scoble doesn’t grasp the concept of making money.

  • dmad

    See, Jeremy, here’s the problem. Scoble doesn’t grasp the concept of making money.

  • dmad

    See, Jeremy, here’s the problem. Scoble doesn’t grasp the concept of making money.

  • http://blog.macb.net macbeach

    Microsoft treating users as slaves:

    http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/1345

    “Why not simply open the standard? Because it would mean Microsoft would lose control of a vital part of their revenue stream – sales of Office. Instead, by proposing the standard to the ISO they give the appearance of being open and honest, while actually retaining the control they currently enjoy.”

  • http://blog.macb.net macbeach

    Microsoft treating users as slaves:

    http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/1345

    “Why not simply open the standard? Because it would mean Microsoft would lose control of a vital part of their revenue stream – sales of Office. Instead, by proposing the standard to the ISO they give the appearance of being open and honest, while actually retaining the control they currently enjoy.”

  • http://macbeach.blogspot.com macbeach

    Microsoft treating users as slaves:

    http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/1345

    “Why not simply open the standard? Because it would mean Microsoft would lose control of a vital part of their revenue stream – sales of Office. Instead, by proposing the standard to the ISO they give the appearance of being open and honest, while actually retaining the control they currently enjoy.”

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ scobleizer

    macbeach: that article has the facts all wrong. Why don’t you look into what the licensing of the new Office formats are? If you did you’d be doing more work than this “journalist.”

    dmad: tell me how you’ll make money with advertising if you have no readers? I’d love to know that one!!

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ scobleizer

    macbeach: that article has the facts all wrong. Why don’t you look into what the licensing of the new Office formats are? If you did you’d be doing more work than this “journalist.”

    dmad: tell me how you’ll make money with advertising if you have no readers? I’d love to know that one!!

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ scobleizer

    macbeach: that article has the facts all wrong. Why don’t you look into what the licensing of the new Office formats are? If you did you’d be doing more work than this “journalist.”

    dmad: tell me how you’ll make money with advertising if you have no readers? I’d love to know that one!!

  • http://meishei.wordpress.com/ meishei

    woud you pls open your comments rss feed so i can track the “conversation” more easily. Thank you!

  • http://meishei.wordpress.com/ meishei

    woud you pls open your comments rss feed so i can track the “conversation” more easily. Thank you!

  • http://meishei.wordpress.com/ meishei

    woud you pls open your comments rss feed so i can track the “conversation” more easily. Thank you!

  • http://meishei.wordpress.com/ meishei

    my bad, you have comment feed here
    http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/comments/feed/

    it’s just far away from your entires feed.

    sorry for rushing to conclusion

  • http://meishei.wordpress.com/ meishei

    my bad, you have comment feed here
    http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/comments/feed/

    it’s just far away from your entires feed.

    sorry for rushing to conclusion

  • http://meishei.wordpress.com/ meishei

    my bad, you have comment feed here
    http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/comments/feed/

    it’s just far away from your entires feed.

    sorry for rushing to conclusion

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  • http://crueltobekind.org/ Nicole Simon

    The solution to content theft is not partials feeds. It will only take them some time to take a feed and fetch the according content from a website.

    If there is a solution, it is more old school approaches like combined efforts as in hurting where the money comes from.

    As in full feeds: if your business modell requires partial feeds and your readers want full feeds, then at least be honest and say you are in there for the money, skip the feed at all and make standard SEO – because that is then what you are after: Visits from the search engines, not blog readers who have different interests than SE-visitors.

  • http://crueltobekind.org/ Nicole Simon

    The solution to content theft is not partials feeds. It will only take them some time to take a feed and fetch the according content from a website.

    If there is a solution, it is more old school approaches like combined efforts as in hurting where the money comes from.

    As in full feeds: if your business modell requires partial feeds and your readers want full feeds, then at least be honest and say you are in there for the money, skip the feed at all and make standard SEO – because that is then what you are after: Visits from the search engines, not blog readers who have different interests than SE-visitors.

  • http://crueltobekind.org Nicole Simon

    The solution to content theft is not partials feeds. It will only take them some time to take a feed and fetch the according content from a website.

    If there is a solution, it is more old school approaches like combined efforts as in hurting where the money comes from.

    As in full feeds: if your business modell requires partial feeds and your readers want full feeds, then at least be honest and say you are in there for the money, skip the feed at all and make standard SEO – because that is then what you are after: Visits from the search engines, not blog readers who have different interests than SE-visitors.

  • http://cro.alienpants.com/ Tom Gordon

    THis came up the other month and I commented on partial evrsus full text then. My contention? The decision to provide full or partial feeds is entirely dependant on what I’m using RSS for, and who my intended audience is. My commercial games news website only publishes a partial feed – deliberately – as I don’t want people reading the stories, reviews, articles and other things I publish through that channel via RSS. The RSS feed (which has been available since we launched in 2002) is designed specifically to draw people to the website itself, to introduce them not to the one story theya re reading, but to the wealth of other information contained on the site that is not made available via RSS (even via a partial feed).

    At the same time, my personal weblog where I talk about Identity and other things is availabel as a full-text feed (with RSS ads, if they’re working properly…) because it is a discussion site, a ‘blog’, not a commercial concern.

    More here:
    http://cro.alienpants.com/index.php/2005/11/28/rss-feeds-full-text-or-partial-text/

  • http://cro.alienpants.com/ Tom Gordon

    THis came up the other month and I commented on partial evrsus full text then. My contention? The decision to provide full or partial feeds is entirely dependant on what I’m using RSS for, and who my intended audience is. My commercial games news website only publishes a partial feed – deliberately – as I don’t want people reading the stories, reviews, articles and other things I publish through that channel via RSS. The RSS feed (which has been available since we launched in 2002) is designed specifically to draw people to the website itself, to introduce them not to the one story theya re reading, but to the wealth of other information contained on the site that is not made available via RSS (even via a partial feed).

    At the same time, my personal weblog where I talk about Identity and other things is availabel as a full-text feed (with RSS ads, if they’re working properly…) because it is a discussion site, a ‘blog’, not a commercial concern.

    More here:
    http://cro.alienpants.com/index.php/2005/11/28/rss-feeds-full-text-or-partial-text/

  • http://cro.alienpants.com Tom Gordon

    THis came up the other month and I commented on partial evrsus full text then. My contention? The decision to provide full or partial feeds is entirely dependant on what I’m using RSS for, and who my intended audience is. My commercial games news website only publishes a partial feed – deliberately – as I don’t want people reading the stories, reviews, articles and other things I publish through that channel via RSS. The RSS feed (which has been available since we launched in 2002) is designed specifically to draw people to the website itself, to introduce them not to the one story theya re reading, but to the wealth of other information contained on the site that is not made available via RSS (even via a partial feed).

    At the same time, my personal weblog where I talk about Identity and other things is availabel as a full-text feed (with RSS ads, if they’re working properly…) because it is a discussion site, a ‘blog’, not a commercial concern.

    More here:
    http://cro.alienpants.com/index.php/2005/11/28/rss-feeds-full-text-or-partial-text/

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  • http://dratz.wordpress.com/ dratz

    Some people just don’t get the technology. Give ‘em Hell. A lot of places still have trouble understanding the real power and appeal of the internet.

  • http://dratz.wordpress.com/ dratz

    Some people just don’t get the technology. Give ‘em Hell. A lot of places still have trouble understanding the real power and appeal of the internet.

  • http://dratz.wordpress.com/ dratz

    Some people just don’t get the technology. Give ‘em Hell. A lot of places still have trouble understanding the real power and appeal of the internet.

  • Brad

    I think the the this points out is the difference between power users like scoble and more casual users. Of course partial text feeds are gonna stand out in 700 feeds.

    But I’d imagine that most folks aren’t using RSS like Scoble does. As a matter of fact I’d imagine most folks use them not all that differently than they use their favorites.

  • Brad

    I think the the this points out is the difference between power users like scoble and more casual users. Of course partial text feeds are gonna stand out in 700 feeds.

    But I’d imagine that most folks aren’t using RSS like Scoble does. As a matter of fact I’d imagine most folks use them not all that differently than they use their favorites.

  • Brad

    I think the the this points out is the difference between power users like scoble and more casual users. Of course partial text feeds are gonna stand out in 700 feeds.

    But I’d imagine that most folks aren’t using RSS like Scoble does. As a matter of fact I’d imagine most folks use them not all that differently than they use their favorites.

  • http://www.Lounsbery.com/ Walter Lounsbery

    There is a semi-prolific blogger that works a couple of cubes down the aisle from me. Believe it or not, he only feed the TITLES of his articles! I gently told him once that I wasn’t getting much out of his blog that way.

    So now he has to walk down the aisle and tell me when he’s posted a “good” article. Justice is served!

  • http://www.Lounsbery.com/ Walter Lounsbery

    There is a semi-prolific blogger that works a couple of cubes down the aisle from me. Believe it or not, he only feed the TITLES of his articles! I gently told him once that I wasn’t getting much out of his blog that way.

    So now he has to walk down the aisle and tell me when he’s posted a “good” article. Justice is served!

  • http://www.Lounsbery.com Walter Lounsbery

    There is a semi-prolific blogger that works a couple of cubes down the aisle from me. Believe it or not, he only feed the TITLES of his articles! I gently told him once that I wasn’t getting much out of his blog that way.

    So now he has to walk down the aisle and tell me when he’s posted a “good” article. Justice is served!

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  • ben

    Sounds like some hysterical self-important whiner has a very strange idea of what slavery is.

  • ben

    Sounds like some hysterical self-important whiner has a very strange idea of what slavery is.

  • ben

    Sounds like some hysterical self-important whiner has a very strange idea of what slavery is.

  • Ben K

    Your posts tend to run to ten or fifteen lines or so. Posting a full feed makes sense. Some other blogs (I won’t mention Autoblog by name) run to pages of text per posting, and sometimes a dozen or more photos. I don’t want all that in my RSS reader. I find it convenient if a feed has a few lines of detail, and lets me decide if I want to go find out more.

    In the days of paper journalism, you had to write your articles from the top down, because the editor might cut you off when you exceeded the column inches he had available. Something for blogs to consider.

  • Ben K

    Your posts tend to run to ten or fifteen lines or so. Posting a full feed makes sense. Some other blogs (I won’t mention Autoblog by name) run to pages of text per posting, and sometimes a dozen or more photos. I don’t want all that in my RSS reader. I find it convenient if a feed has a few lines of detail, and lets me decide if I want to go find out more.

    In the days of paper journalism, you had to write your articles from the top down, because the editor might cut you off when you exceeded the column inches he had available. Something for blogs to consider.

  • Ben K

    Your posts tend to run to ten or fifteen lines or so. Posting a full feed makes sense. Some other blogs (I won’t mention Autoblog by name) run to pages of text per posting, and sometimes a dozen or more photos. I don’t want all that in my RSS reader. I find it convenient if a feed has a few lines of detail, and lets me decide if I want to go find out more.

    In the days of paper journalism, you had to write your articles from the top down, because the editor might cut you off when you exceeded the column inches he had available. Something for blogs to consider.

  • http://vtymkin.wordpress.com/ Vish

    I won’t pretend to understand a damned thing about RSS but I do admit if anyone needed full text of the crap I post they’d probably need therapy more…

  • http://vtymkin.wordpress.com/ Vish

    I won’t pretend to understand a damned thing about RSS but I do admit if anyone needed full text of the crap I post they’d probably need therapy more…

  • http://vtymkin.wordpress.com/ Vish

    I won’t pretend to understand a damned thing about RSS but I do admit if anyone needed full text of the crap I post they’d probably need therapy more…

  • http://www.geekzone.co.nz/ M Freitas

    I think the reality is that each company can think and act the way they want. I tend to agree with summary instead of full content in feeds for content generators such as blogs or enthusiast sites. Have you seem how many scrapper sites making money of our content there is around? They simply paste the whole feed.

    Now, you saying a company will not get a link from a page you control just because they don’t provide full feeds… Sorry but I am now removing YOUR feed from my list.