Allchin blogger dinner heats up with DRM and Vista conversation

It’s funny, but this is the second time I’ve arranged a dinner for Jim Allchin that I haven’t been able to attend. The dinner was last night and I hear it was a real interesting one.

Why? Cause I got a diverse set of people in to meet with Jim. Not just fanboys. Well, not unless you call a developer of the open source browser Flock a Microsoft fanboy. Or, if you call Mena Trott, founder of Six Apart (which is hosted on Linux) a Microsoft fanboy. Heh, that’s pretty funny!

Beth Goza of Linden Labs was there. Tara Hunt of Riya. John Tokash of Homestead Technologies. Tony Gentile of Healthline. And Phillip Torrone of Make Magazine.

John Tokash’s report is here.
Tara Hunt’s report is here.
Thomas Hawk’s report is here. Great photos too (Thomas is quite talented with his camera, I love his blog lately mostly because of his photos).

How did I pick these people? They are people I’d want to have dinner with myself! I think it’s funny that Tara felt out of place at the beginning. I hear she gave Allchin a good dose of her thoughts on DRM. Sounds exactly why she was invited! (I knew she’d do that, cause she has always been interesting to talk with when I’ve met her).

Comments

  1. Robert,

    When I mentioned that I love to watch Channel 9 videos, Jim hinted that something really cool, related to Channel 9, will be coming in February.

    Any clues for us?

    Thanks,
    John

  2. Robert,

    When I mentioned that I love to watch Channel 9 videos, Jim hinted that something really cool, related to Channel 9, will be coming in February.

    Any clues for us?

    Thanks,
    John

  3. So bascially another “friends of Scoble” dinner, just like the “randomly selected” search champs that includes a lot of the same people from last year.

    So apparently, Microsoft *is* listening to *a* community. It just so happens that everyone in the community is friends with Scoble.

    Plus “A flock developer” and “Tara Hunt”. Not really a big stretch to get those two together it seems. And Beth Goza, you mean formerlly of Microsofts Beth Goza? Isn’t she dating or married to PT? (Why in the hell do I remember these things, but I keep forgetting to call my broker?) Hmmmmmmm, did Thomas get to invite his SO at least? hehe

    Hey, I’ve got an idea. For the next dinner with Alchin, how about if you just walk around downtown Seattle or San Francisico and ask people if they are interested in Windows and would like a free dinner.

  4. So bascially another “friends of Scoble” dinner, just like the “randomly selected” search champs that includes a lot of the same people from last year.

    So apparently, Microsoft *is* listening to *a* community. It just so happens that everyone in the community is friends with Scoble.

    Plus “A flock developer” and “Tara Hunt”. Not really a big stretch to get those two together it seems. And Beth Goza, you mean formerlly of Microsofts Beth Goza? Isn’t she dating or married to PT? (Why in the hell do I remember these things, but I keep forgetting to call my broker?) Hmmmmmmm, did Thomas get to invite his SO at least? hehe

    Hey, I’ve got an idea. For the next dinner with Alchin, how about if you just walk around downtown Seattle or San Francisico and ask people if they are interested in Windows and would like a free dinner.

  5. John: nah, but it will be good.

    Scott: I’m not friends with Mena. I think I’ve talked with her a total of maybe 60 minutes in my life. Same with Tara. Same with Chris. Same with Tony. They are, however, people I look up to and read a lot and people who don’t come to my comments and leave posts like yours that don’t have many facts behind them.

    Regarding Search Champs. There were more than 60 people there this time. Only four were at the first Search Champs which wasn’t even two years ago. So that invalidates your whole point. Have a nice day.

  6. John: nah, but it will be good.

    Scott: I’m not friends with Mena. I think I’ve talked with her a total of maybe 60 minutes in my life. Same with Tara. Same with Chris. Same with Tony. They are, however, people I look up to and read a lot and people who don’t come to my comments and leave posts like yours that don’t have many facts behind them.

    Regarding Search Champs. There were more than 60 people there this time. Only four were at the first Search Champs which wasn’t even two years ago. So that invalidates your whole point. Have a nice day.

  7. “So that invalidates your whole point”

    Curses, foiled again!

    Which facts did I miss? I’ll correct my database of useless knowledge, which seems to be larger than my database of important stuff.

  8. “So that invalidates your whole point”

    Curses, foiled again!

    Which facts did I miss? I’ll correct my database of useless knowledge, which seems to be larger than my database of important stuff.

  9. Thanks for suggesting me, Robert. I was truly honored.

    Your trolls are really bitter, but you handle them well. Oh…I guess here is me leaving a comment. ;)

    Jim was pretty great at handling my (after too many glasses of wine so I was feeling rogue-ish) questions. I still wish someone would at least support the fight, if not take it up with DRM. The fact that MS is actually engaging in that conversation is impressive to me.

    Thanks again!

  10. Thanks for suggesting me, Robert. I was truly honored.

    Your trolls are really bitter, but you handle them well. Oh…I guess here is me leaving a comment. ;)

    Jim was pretty great at handling my (after too many glasses of wine so I was feeling rogue-ish) questions. I still wish someone would at least support the fight, if not take it up with DRM. The fact that MS is actually engaging in that conversation is impressive to me.

    Thanks again!

  11. Beth Goza of Linden Labs…whoa, missed that news. She left Microsoft and your stock didn’t immediately jump up 40%? ;) To think I was the biggest Microsoft fanboy, until her thin-skinned revenge-mode kicked-in per the parody, and she went weirded out and her hubby went on a stalking warpath, she misread me, I was a total giggly-Mobius fanboy back then. Tried to apologize 50 million times, yet cause of the fuss, it spread like wildfire, spawning copies on sites I had no control over, it became immortal. PR lesson there, done zillions of parodies, most with not even a 2 day impact, most all lost to time, stir up a stink, it lives on forever. Ahh well, all is past, Sorry, hope I am forgiven.

  12. Beth Goza of Linden Labs…whoa, missed that news. She left Microsoft and your stock didn’t immediately jump up 40%? ;) To think I was the biggest Microsoft fanboy, until her thin-skinned revenge-mode kicked-in per the parody, and she went weirded out and her hubby went on a stalking warpath, she misread me, I was a total giggly-Mobius fanboy back then. Tried to apologize 50 million times, yet cause of the fuss, it spread like wildfire, spawning copies on sites I had no control over, it became immortal. PR lesson there, done zillions of parodies, most with not even a 2 day impact, most all lost to time, stir up a stink, it lives on forever. Ahh well, all is past, Sorry, hope I am forgiven.

  13. PS – Now Tara, if she wasn’t married…one Web 2.0 nut with a sense of humor. Tara’s tops. :)

  14. PS – Now Tara, if she wasn’t married…one Web 2.0 nut with a sense of humor. Tara’s tops. :)

  15. Hey Robert, this was a really interesting and satisfying experience. I’ve not had a whole lot of interaction with Microsoft folks in recent memory, not necessary on purpose, but because our communities are so polarized (owing to history, etc that precedes me).

    I might be an idiot for saying this, but we really just need tools that work — and I don’t care if that means that they come from someone other than Microsoft or not. If there are things that we can learn from each other, hell, what’s wrong with that?

    Overall, Jim was really candid about most topics — even admitting that the Vista beta program took a lot of inspiration from the open source community. I mean, hey sure, you guys got a ways to go but you’re getting there! ;)

    With folks like you, Robert, pushing for more transparency @ MSFT, gee, we might someday lose the ability to argue about you guys being all closed up and stuff. We’d have to turn our laser-like attention on more… opaque fruity companies instead! (We’d still humbug about your monopoly and whatnot, but that comes with the territory).

  16. Hey Robert, this was a really interesting and satisfying experience. I’ve not had a whole lot of interaction with Microsoft folks in recent memory, not necessary on purpose, but because our communities are so polarized (owing to history, etc that precedes me).

    I might be an idiot for saying this, but we really just need tools that work — and I don’t care if that means that they come from someone other than Microsoft or not. If there are things that we can learn from each other, hell, what’s wrong with that?

    Overall, Jim was really candid about most topics — even admitting that the Vista beta program took a lot of inspiration from the open source community. I mean, hey sure, you guys got a ways to go but you’re getting there! ;)

    With folks like you, Robert, pushing for more transparency @ MSFT, gee, we might someday lose the ability to argue about you guys being all closed up and stuff. We’d have to turn our laser-like attention on more… opaque fruity companies instead! (We’d still humbug about your monopoly and whatnot, but that comes with the territory).

  17. So a “friends of Scoble” dinner…yeah, or people he wants to influence.

    But you are reading too much into this and too jealous, it’s just Allchin on a I-am-wearing-turtlenecks-now-retire-out-marketing-legacy wax on and wax off tour. I am sure he has tons of other dinners with real Analysts, CIOs, VIPs and Journos and other people who actually matter. Just Scoble’s turn came up and he self-markets it for all it’s worth, zapping in the power of the blogs, when it’s all about him being the ‘connector’ and the ‘be nice to me, suck-up, and I might be able to swish you in’.

    It’s just star-struck marketing. Jim pretends to listen, not that could do anything about this late in game, letting people rant and scream, agreeing with, saying stuff like “I see your point” and “we should look into that”, and then fires up the Vista eye-candy for a choke-hold. And the bloggers walk away thinking they made an impact, by talking with the biggie man, but the real goal is to dog and pony up Vista.

  18. So a “friends of Scoble” dinner…yeah, or people he wants to influence.

    But you are reading too much into this and too jealous, it’s just Allchin on a I-am-wearing-turtlenecks-now-retire-out-marketing-legacy wax on and wax off tour. I am sure he has tons of other dinners with real Analysts, CIOs, VIPs and Journos and other people who actually matter. Just Scoble’s turn came up and he self-markets it for all it’s worth, zapping in the power of the blogs, when it’s all about him being the ‘connector’ and the ‘be nice to me, suck-up, and I might be able to swish you in’.

    It’s just star-struck marketing. Jim pretends to listen, not that could do anything about this late in game, letting people rant and scream, agreeing with, saying stuff like “I see your point” and “we should look into that”, and then fires up the Vista eye-candy for a choke-hold. And the bloggers walk away thinking they made an impact, by talking with the biggie man, but the real goal is to dog and pony up Vista.

  19. [...] So then Linda explained the dinner — apologized for Robert not being able to make it (no worries, mate) — and for arriving a little late themselves. (Ah, to work for one of the most powerful organizations in the world and to apologize for being late; yes, civilization has advanced some!) [...]