EVDO’ing in NJ

Robert, you lost me in mid-flight on this one. I’m an EV-DO addict myself and even though your plane doesn’t have WiFi or EV-DO, it’s a safe bet that in the near future it will. Give it time and mobile connectivity will be embedded everywhere. Once that happens, why do I need a client-side calendar for the “network effect”? Why not invite your co-workers to 30Boxes (or whatever the next-gen web app is)? I’ve already garnered more of a “network effect” from 30Boxes in a single day than I have over the long haul with of the shelf software and I expect the trend to continue. Why keep bucking the trend now?

Have a safe flight and enjoy that EV-DO; I know I do!

Hi Robert,

I have to disagree with you here. I first posted a few months ago about how rapidly improving connectivity is making thick clients less relevant (http://www.dan-gottlieb.com/blog/?p=2), and I think EVDO availability has only strengthened my arguments.

Regarding pivot tables, my firm uses an ajax pivot table tool to enable intranet based querying of our data warehouse. I couldn’t find ours on the web, but a quick Google found this demo of an asp.net pivot component – http://olaponline.radar-soft.com/olaponline.aspx. I suspect one of the web 2.0ish online databases (http://dabbledb.com, http://tracker.jot.com/, http://quickbase.com, etc.) could easily use something like this create a nifty online pivot table experience…

On a completely unrelated note (as long as I’m commenting , after our initial e-mails back and forth, I never got your thoughts on my rollyo alternative – http://www.dan-gottlieb.com/blog/?p=5.

Dan

Hi Robert,

I have to disagree with you here. I first posted a few months ago about how rapidly improving connectivity is making thick clients less relevant (http://www.dan-gottlieb.com/blog/?p=2), and I think EVDO availability has only strengthened my arguments.

Regarding pivot tables, my firm uses an ajax pivot table tool to enable intranet based querying of our data warehouse. I couldn’t find ours on the web, but a quick Google found this demo of an asp.net pivot component – http://olaponline.radar-soft.com/olaponline.aspx. I suspect one of the web 2.0ish online databases (http://dabbledb.com, http://tracker.jot.com/, http://quickbase.com, etc.) could easily use something like this create a nifty online pivot table experience…

On a completely unrelated note (as long as I’m commenting , after our initial e-mails back and forth, I never got your thoughts on my rollyo alternative – http://www.dan-gottlieb.com/blog/?p=5.

Dan

Well, since I’m an one-man operation and can’t fly (air carriers hate lead-acid batteries, and gel types do not have nearly enough “humphf” to power my XPS Gen2 for long), EDVO-equipped aircraft are meaningless

Damn Firefox!

Anyway, as I started to say:

Well, since I’m an one-man operation and can’t fly (air carriers hate lead-acid batteries, and gel types do not have nearly enough “humphf” to power my XPS Gen2 for long), EDVO-equipped aircraft are meaningless to me. However, I’d love to read more–a lot more–about your tablet PC!

Damn Firefox!

Anyway, as I started to say:

Well, since I’m an one-man operation and can’t fly (air carriers hate lead-acid batteries, and gel types do not have nearly enough “humphf” to power my XPS Gen2 for long), EDVO-equipped aircraft are meaningless to me. However, I’d love to read more–a lot more–about your tablet PC!

re: pivot tables?
There are good reasons that Office and the like will stick around despite the rise of ajax and 2.0, but “pivot tables” isn’t one of them. What percentage of users actually ever need pivot tables, or any of the crazy advanced features Word and Excel have? Maybe 1%?

Since when did Cingular have EVDO? Cingular is a GSM carrier. EVDO is a CDMA technology unless Cingular is reselling someone else’s tech. You sure you don’t have a HSDPA card there, Rob? :p

I wouldn’t hold my breath for EVDO equipped aircraft. Working in the realm of telecommunications, having a battle for picocells between GSM/CDMA is not going to be pretty.

Since when did Cingular have EVDO? Cingular is a GSM carrier. EVDO is a CDMA technology unless Cingular is reselling someone else’s tech. You sure you don’t have a HSDPA card there, Rob? :p

I wouldn’t hold my breath for EVDO equipped aircraft. Working in the realm of telecommunications, having a battle for picocells between GSM/CDMA is not going to be pretty.

I took a look at the Sierra Wireless Aircard for Cingular in the Seattle area. It looks like I was right. It’s not EVDO. It’s EDGE/GPRS and UMTS/HSDPA.

Well in your river of news back-up, somehow you missed the Tablet PC Partner Conference, and new Tablet announcements and all the new Tablet features in OneNote 12.

Was watching you closely, predicting you’d not bother, if I didn’t send in news, made a bet with a Tablet insider, who thought you’d just pick up from the blogs and Loren’s posts and etc. I said no way, he’s too jet-set and ADD now. I won.

Well in your river of news back-up, somehow you missed the Tablet PC Partner Conference, and new Tablet announcements and all the new Tablet features in OneNote 12.

Was watching you closely, predicting you’d not bother, if I didn’t send in news, made a bet with a Tablet insider, who thought you’d just pick up from the blogs and Loren’s posts and etc. I said no way, he’s too jet-set and ADD now. I won.

I don’t even much care anymore, and I still inform more press and outsiders than Microsoft itself, pretty sad. Now if Tablet or Vista Tablet ever works with Final Draft or MMS and gets a Copy Edit functionality concept, I might be back. But waiting until promises become reality.

Just in case you missed the previous posts, Scoble, their is a new USB EVDO connector now – if you still want to get an Intel Mac. Mine’s on the way and I feel better and better about it all the time. By the way, you should be able to get your hands on the latest Vista – I’m told that one of the internal builds (not yet CTP) allows dual booting on the IntelMac.

I wish I had Vista.

And, EVDO is great, but expensive

Just in case you missed the previous posts, Scoble, their is a new USB EVDO connector now – if you still want to get an Intel Mac. Mine’s on the way and I feel better and better about it all the time. By the way, you should be able to get your hands on the latest Vista – I’m told that one of the internal builds (not yet CTP) allows dual booting on the IntelMac.

I wish I had Vista.

And, EVDO is great, but expensive

Uhmm, Christopher Coulter, you shouldn’t be complaining about Final Draft to Microsoft. You should be complaining to CSM software (the people who make Final Draft), and tell them to add the full functionality of a tablet in their software – Microsoft allows this, the developer just needs to access it. This would be a good step for Final Draft too because it seems like Apple is going to release their own tablet (Patents from Apple indicate this).

Well, see here’s the thing, Microsoft sponsored the ‘Big Break’ contest and announced a partnership of sorts and promised “working together”, and then nothing happened, I am not complaining in specific to Microsoft, per se, I know the development model, just that the big fanfare well, went way of vaporware, for whatever reason, for whomever to blame. Sorta a common thread in regards to Tablet ISVs.

As far as Apple Tablet, yeah, well I was on record saying Apple gonna do a Tablet, source at SIGGRAPH, well back when. Back when everyone called me nuts, including major Redmond VIPs, even Scoble boo boo’ed it at that time, saying his relative that works at Apple, hadn’t heard anything. But Apple is compartmentalized, and I had a source saying Sketch Pro was being demoed on a prototype, and plus he/she saw something Tabletistic in Elk Grove. Apple been PLAYING with Tablets for eons now, the question is if they will release anything. I hope they do, if nothing else it will help Microsoft’s Tablet’s actually pick up steam. But before people go revisionist history, I was saying Apple Tablet, when everyone was calling me a lunatic.

Anyways, off -topic from EVDO’ing. But funny in that how a big changing “disruptive” tech trend, misses his radar, until it gets in his piddling nose level view. EVDO hardly a new new thing.

Well, see here’s the thing, Microsoft sponsored the ‘Big Break’ contest and announced a partnership of sorts and promised “working together”, and then nothing happened, I am not complaining in specific to Microsoft, per se, I know the development model, just that the big fanfare well, went way of vaporware, for whatever reason, for whomever to blame. Sorta a common thread in regards to Tablet ISVs.

As far as Apple Tablet, yeah, well I was on record saying Apple gonna do a Tablet, source at SIGGRAPH, well back when. Back when everyone called me nuts, including major Redmond VIPs, even Scoble boo boo’ed it at that time, saying his relative that works at Apple, hadn’t heard anything. But Apple is compartmentalized, and I had a source saying Sketch Pro was being demoed on a prototype, and plus he/she saw something Tabletistic in Elk Grove. Apple been PLAYING with Tablets for eons now, the question is if they will release anything. I hope they do, if nothing else it will help Microsoft’s Tablet’s actually pick up steam. But before people go revisionist history, I was saying Apple Tablet, when everyone was calling me a lunatic.

Anyways, off -topic from EVDO’ing. But funny in that how a big changing “disruptive” tech trend, misses his radar, until it gets in his piddling nose level view. EVDO hardly a new new thing.

Its too bad, but the distinction between EV-DO and HSDPA networks actually *does* matter, because unlike the 802.11 standards, here we have two competing technologies which do not interoperate. Cingular=HSDPA and Verizon/Sprint=EV-DO (try using an EV-DO card in Europe!).

Also it is interesting that 3G wireless is an older (but expensive) concept, which was predicted to be “disrupted” by widespread deployment of the upstart Wi-Fi technologies (with the idea that operating on free, unregulated radio frequencies would lead to lower costs and freer access). Now we have 3G being touted as “disruptive” to the emerging Wi-Fi business model…..interesting….will the high-dollar, regulauted frequencies win out over the free-for all in the 802.11 land? I suppose the death free, public 802.11 access points has given the mobile operators some room to make their case…(at $80/month on Verizon I’ll pass!)

Ben beat me to what I was going to say: EVDO is a CDMA technology and offered by Sprint and Verizon. What you have is EDGE, which is slower than EVDO.

HSDPA is the 3.5G technology which will follow up EDGE networks and offer speeds similar to EVDO. Interestingly, HSDPA / UMTS is based on WCDMA technology, which ultimately requires a second radio (see, e.g., the Jasjar).

Ben beat me to what I was going to say: EVDO is a CDMA technology and offered by Sprint and Verizon. What you have is EDGE, which is slower than EVDO.

HSDPA is the 3.5G technology which will follow up EDGE networks and offer speeds similar to EVDO. Interestingly, HSDPA / UMTS is based on WCDMA technology, which ultimately requires a second radio (see, e.g., the Jasjar).

Scoble,

what are you doing on your tablet when you have no internet connection?

I mean no email, no rss, you just turn it off right and listen to your ipod instead?

I mean no email, no rss, you just turn it off right and listen to your ipod instead?

Anyone know what the REAL LIFE speed is with the Cingular card. I’ve been trying to find out from Cingular, but they are really vague. Bottom line: does it seem as fast as cable/good dsl with wi-fi?