I’m returning my Cingular card

I’m sitting in the Santa Clara Hilton Bar with Rick Segal and doing some comparisons of speeds on our various wireless cards. The Cingular one doesn’t even compare to the Verizon one. I didn’t realize just how big a difference in speed it is, but it’s dramatic. I’m returning my card today and gonna get a Verizon EVDO card. Also the Verizon card is far better designed (the Cingular card has a tiny little antenna). Luckily Cingular has a 30 day return policy.

88 thoughts on “I’m returning my Cingular card

  1. So before you go and trade in that cingular card you may want to read the contract of both.
    I was booted off the Verizon service due to a breach of contract.
    Verizon limits the amount of gb that you are able to down load and upload in any given month. Verizon makes it very clear that you are not permitted to do any live streaming! This is why there service is so much faster, Cingular does not mind if you do live streaming, you may be thinking porn at this point, But keep in mind that live news and CNN is also streaming as is web caming with friends.
    Don’t take my word for it look it up. You can do like I did just go over the allowed usage and get booted off for breach of contract and then just get pissed when they hand you a bill for $175 for cancellation.
    Here is another site with pissed off people such as myself.
    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060726/1926251.shtml

    I do have a cingular air card but I still use Verizon for my two cell phones!

  2. So before you go and trade in that cingular card you may want to read the contract of both.
    I was booted off the Verizon service due to a breach of contract.
    Verizon limits the amount of gb that you are able to down load and upload in any given month. Verizon makes it very clear that you are not permitted to do any live streaming! This is why there service is so much faster, Cingular does not mind if you do live streaming, you may be thinking porn at this point, But keep in mind that live news and CNN is also streaming as is web caming with friends.
    Don’t take my word for it look it up. You can do like I did just go over the allowed usage and get booted off for breach of contract and then just get pissed when they hand you a bill for $175 for cancellation.
    Here is another site with pissed off people such as myself.
    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060726/1926251.shtml

    I do have a cingular air card but I still use Verizon for my two cell phones!

  3. So before you go and trade in that cingular card you may want to read the contract of both.
    I was booted off the Verizon service due to a breach of contract.
    Verizon limits the amount of gb that you are able to down load and upload in any given month. Verizon makes it very clear that you are not permitted to do any live streaming! This is why there service is so much faster, Cingular does not mind if you do live streaming, you may be thinking porn at this point, But keep in mind that live news and CNN is also streaming as is web caming with friends.
    Don’t take my word for it look it up. You can do like I did just go over the allowed usage and get booted off for breach of contract and then just get pissed when they hand you a bill for $175 for cancellation.
    Here is another site with pissed off people such as myself.
    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060726/1926251.shtml

    I do have a cingular air card but I still use Verizon for my two cell phones!

  4. Can anyone help me decide on which way to go for internet service. I live in the Seattle area, Snohomish County, and there is no cable service or DSL. We have been testing a Cingular aircard, but it sure seems slower than our previous cable service. I have read that Seattle has what you call HSDPA, but I only get 3 bars on my cingular dialog box when I connect. Is anyone saying anything is faster in this area? (Seattle) Thanks for any help – Marcia

  5. Can anyone help me decide on which way to go for internet service. I live in the Seattle area, Snohomish County, and there is no cable service or DSL. We have been testing a Cingular aircard, but it sure seems slower than our previous cable service. I have read that Seattle has what you call HSDPA, but I only get 3 bars on my cingular dialog box when I connect. Is anyone saying anything is faster in this area? (Seattle) Thanks for any help – Marcia

  6. Can anyone help me decide on which way to go for internet service. I live in the Seattle area, Snohomish County, and there is no cable service or DSL. We have been testing a Cingular aircard, but it sure seems slower than our previous cable service. I have read that Seattle has what you call HSDPA, but I only get 3 bars on my cingular dialog box when I connect. Is anyone saying anything is faster in this area? (Seattle) Thanks for any help – Marcia

  7. Heh.

    I can tell you from a CDMA perspective, your “obvious” choice is skewed data. Verizon has had better numbers based on a few facts, but one is the very simple one that they operate in the 800Mhz range versus Sprint’s 1.9Ghz. It makes a huge difference in speeds. The only advantage that Sprint has on Verizon is in coverage area. Also, the data that you quote doesn’t mention if they’re in an airport area (more data traffic, movement, and interference).

    When it comes to HSDPA, it’s limited to markets but the speeds are vastly outnumbering any CDMA technology because it uses 5Mhz of spectrum versus the current EVDO of 1.25Mhz of spectrum. If you’re looking for speed, go with HSDPA, especially since there is no current evolutionary path for EVDO to move towards. This is another reason why Sprint and Verizon are looking at WiMax.

    I’ve been playing with DO since it came out in the labs and been testing it in both lab and customer markets with the Merlin cards as well as Aircards and a vast number of phones. So from professional experience, I can say that while you might say “Sprint is the obvious choice…” the numbers I have show otherwise dependent on what you’re looking for.

  8. Heh.

    I can tell you from a CDMA perspective, your “obvious” choice is skewed data. Verizon has had better numbers based on a few facts, but one is the very simple one that they operate in the 800Mhz range versus Sprint’s 1.9Ghz. It makes a huge difference in speeds. The only advantage that Sprint has on Verizon is in coverage area. Also, the data that you quote doesn’t mention if they’re in an airport area (more data traffic, movement, and interference).

    When it comes to HSDPA, it’s limited to markets but the speeds are vastly outnumbering any CDMA technology because it uses 5Mhz of spectrum versus the current EVDO of 1.25Mhz of spectrum. If you’re looking for speed, go with HSDPA, especially since there is no current evolutionary path for EVDO to move towards. This is another reason why Sprint and Verizon are looking at WiMax.

    I’ve been playing with DO since it came out in the labs and been testing it in both lab and customer markets with the Merlin cards as well as Aircards and a vast number of phones. So from professional experience, I can say that while you might say “Sprint is the obvious choice…” the numbers I have show otherwise dependent on what you’re looking for.

  9. Heh.

    I can tell you from a CDMA perspective, your “obvious” choice is skewed data. Verizon has had better numbers based on a few facts, but one is the very simple one that they operate in the 800Mhz range versus Sprint’s 1.9Ghz. It makes a huge difference in speeds. The only advantage that Sprint has on Verizon is in coverage area. Also, the data that you quote doesn’t mention if they’re in an airport area (more data traffic, movement, and interference).

    When it comes to HSDPA, it’s limited to markets but the speeds are vastly outnumbering any CDMA technology because it uses 5Mhz of spectrum versus the current EVDO of 1.25Mhz of spectrum. If you’re looking for speed, go with HSDPA, especially since there is no current evolutionary path for EVDO to move towards. This is another reason why Sprint and Verizon are looking at WiMax.

    I’ve been playing with DO since it came out in the labs and been testing it in both lab and customer markets with the Merlin cards as well as Aircards and a vast number of phones. So from professional experience, I can say that while you might say “Sprint is the obvious choice…” the numbers I have show otherwise dependent on what you’re looking for.

  10. Ben – All I know is my 6700 is the best phone I’ve ever owned (I had a 6600 before, and a Treo 600 before that). And I have never had a problem using bluetooth DUN from my tablet (don’t even need to use WModem – which Sprint provides on the phone for tethering).

  11. Ben – All I know is my 6700 is the best phone I’ve ever owned (I had a 6600 before, and a Treo 600 before that). And I have never had a problem using bluetooth DUN from my tablet (don’t even need to use WModem – which Sprint provides on the phone for tethering).

  12. Ben – All I know is my 6700 is the best phone I’ve ever owned (I had a 6600 before, and a Treo 600 before that). And I have never had a problem using bluetooth DUN from my tablet (don’t even need to use WModem – which Sprint provides on the phone for tethering).

  13. I purchased EvDO with Verizon last month and have decided to cancel my T-Mobile hotspot and home DSL connection. Outgoing is limited to about 112kbs, which makes uploads noticeably slower, but otherwise, it’s just about as fast as basic DSL.

    And it works great with my Powerbook since Apple has started shipping drivers in Tiger for newer EvDO cards as they are released, such as the Kyocera KPC650.

    I can also turn my Powerbook into a EvDO Wi-Fi “base station” using the internet sharing features in OS X and built-in Airport card. My powerbook shows up as a infrastructure wireless network, which anyone can join (unless I turn on WPA) and connect to the net though my EvDO connection. Comes in handy for meetings in off-site locations or areas without Wi-Fi access.

  14. I purchased EvDO with Verizon last month and have decided to cancel my T-Mobile hotspot and home DSL connection. Outgoing is limited to about 112kbs, which makes uploads noticeably slower, but otherwise, it’s just about as fast as basic DSL.

    And it works great with my Powerbook since Apple has started shipping drivers in Tiger for newer EvDO cards as they are released, such as the Kyocera KPC650.

    I can also turn my Powerbook into a EvDO Wi-Fi “base station” using the internet sharing features in OS X and built-in Airport card. My powerbook shows up as a infrastructure wireless network, which anyone can join (unless I turn on WPA) and connect to the net though my EvDO connection. Comes in handy for meetings in off-site locations or areas without Wi-Fi access.

  15. I purchased EvDO with Verizon last month and have decided to cancel my T-Mobile hotspot and home DSL connection. Outgoing is limited to about 112kbs, which makes uploads noticeably slower, but otherwise, it’s just about as fast as basic DSL.

    And it works great with my Powerbook since Apple has started shipping drivers in Tiger for newer EvDO cards as they are released, such as the Kyocera KPC650.

    I can also turn my Powerbook into a EvDO Wi-Fi “base station” using the internet sharing features in OS X and built-in Airport card. My powerbook shows up as a infrastructure wireless network, which anyone can join (unless I turn on WPA) and connect to the net though my EvDO connection. Comes in handy for meetings in off-site locations or areas without Wi-Fi access.

  16. The PPC-6600 doesn’t have DO support because the project was scrapped. The PPC-6700 is allowed to tether only because it doesn’t have the Modem NAI support to block. Confusing but that’s the way the current policies are looking. I also chalk it up to some management types trying to squeeze every last penny out of consumers.

    Of course, it doesn’t effect my corporation since we work on infrastructure so we have certain things unlocked but consumers are hammered on these types of things.

  17. The PPC-6600 doesn’t have DO support because the project was scrapped. The PPC-6700 is allowed to tether only because it doesn’t have the Modem NAI support to block. Confusing but that’s the way the current policies are looking. I also chalk it up to some management types trying to squeeze every last penny out of consumers.

    Of course, it doesn’t effect my corporation since we work on infrastructure so we have certain things unlocked but consumers are hammered on these types of things.

  18. The PPC-6600 doesn’t have DO support because the project was scrapped. The PPC-6700 is allowed to tether only because it doesn’t have the Modem NAI support to block. Confusing but that’s the way the current policies are looking. I also chalk it up to some management types trying to squeeze every last penny out of consumers.

    Of course, it doesn’t effect my corporation since we work on infrastructure so we have certain things unlocked but consumers are hammered on these types of things.

  19. Brandon – The only reason Sprint isn’t blocking the PPC-6700 is because there isn’t a Modem NAI. With the current block of the PPC-6600 to EVDO, I’m not exactly sure why you’d shell out for the PPC-6700 since it’s rather expensive.

    In actuality, the tethering plans aren’t rumors. They’re in effect as of the 1st of this month.

  20. Brandon – The only reason Sprint isn’t blocking the PPC-6700 is because there isn’t a Modem NAI. With the current block of the PPC-6600 to EVDO, I’m not exactly sure why you’d shell out for the PPC-6700 since it’s rather expensive.

    In actuality, the tethering plans aren’t rumors. They’re in effect as of the 1st of this month.

  21. Brandon – The only reason Sprint isn’t blocking the PPC-6700 is because there isn’t a Modem NAI. With the current block of the PPC-6600 to EVDO, I’m not exactly sure why you’d shell out for the PPC-6700 since it’s rather expensive.

    In actuality, the tethering plans aren’t rumors. They’re in effect as of the 1st of this month.

  22. Ben – Sprint doesn’t block tethering on the PPC-6700. There are rumors that they will on future phones, but nothing yet.

    Alex – I’m talking about their phone Power Vision plans. They’re all $15/month for unlimited data. They don’t have any other plans. You must be looking at their PC card plans which are more expensive (comparable to Verizon).

  23. Ben – Sprint doesn’t block tethering on the PPC-6700. There are rumors that they will on future phones, but nothing yet.

    Alex – I’m talking about their phone Power Vision plans. They’re all $15/month for unlimited data. They don’t have any other plans. You must be looking at their PC card plans which are more expensive (comparable to Verizon).

  24. Ben – Sprint doesn’t block tethering on the PPC-6700. There are rumors that they will on future phones, but nothing yet.

    Alex – I’m talking about their phone Power Vision plans. They’re all $15/month for unlimited data. They don’t have any other plans. You must be looking at their PC card plans which are more expensive (comparable to Verizon).

  25. Heh. again. You CANNOT COMPARE Cingular to Verizon. No matter if they’re called “Aircards” nor if they’re made by “Sierra Wireless”.

    That’s like comparing the Motorola RAZR V3 (Cingular) with the Motorola RAZR V3C (Verizon). Totally different technologies, same brand, same product line.

    I’m going to laugh my butt off when every one of the people that have told Rob to tether get busted on their own accounts for tethering with EVDO. I know for sure that Sprint doesn’t allow DO tethering. Verizon doesn’t either. Verizon goes through great length to disable Bluetooth tethering also.

  26. Heh. again. You CANNOT COMPARE Cingular to Verizon. No matter if they’re called “Aircards” nor if they’re made by “Sierra Wireless”.

    That’s like comparing the Motorola RAZR V3 (Cingular) with the Motorola RAZR V3C (Verizon). Totally different technologies, same brand, same product line.

    I’m going to laugh my butt off when every one of the people that have told Rob to tether get busted on their own accounts for tethering with EVDO. I know for sure that Sprint doesn’t allow DO tethering. Verizon doesn’t either. Verizon goes through great length to disable Bluetooth tethering also.

  27. Heh. again. You CANNOT COMPARE Cingular to Verizon. No matter if they’re called “Aircards” nor if they’re made by “Sierra Wireless”.

    That’s like comparing the Motorola RAZR V3 (Cingular) with the Motorola RAZR V3C (Verizon). Totally different technologies, same brand, same product line.

    I’m going to laugh my butt off when every one of the people that have told Rob to tether get busted on their own accounts for tethering with EVDO. I know for sure that Sprint doesn’t allow DO tethering. Verizon doesn’t either. Verizon goes through great length to disable Bluetooth tethering also.

  28. For a supposed geek I would think you would have done the research before making your decision. And you work for who, again?

  29. For a supposed geek I would think you would have done the research before making your decision. And you work for who, again?

  30. For a supposed geek I would think you would have done the research before making your decision. And you work for who, again?

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