Oh, Hugh…

I’ve been blogging for more than five years now and the “blogging is a fad” meme is one that consistently is reborn every five months. What I find interesting is why we so consistently link and talk about every “blogging is a fad” article that comes along. Yeah, Hugh, I’m talking about you.

Of course, there’s another meme that is just as consistent in terms of getting links: saying something outrageous about Apple. Just watch the links come in. Here, I won’t even link to it and I bet someone posts in my comments precisely who I’m thinking of. :-)

137 thoughts on “Oh, Hugh…

  1. In between Christopher Coulter’s attacks on those who he sees as “elistist” he does in fact make some good points. I was suggesting a blog as an outlet to better organize his arguments. Blogs are like therapy, that’s what I use mine for.

    Come one Chris, let’s get this blog going, I will prove to you that you can be an even bigger voice than Robert Scoble as long as you can admit that you also are sometimes wrong. ;)

  2. In between Christopher Coulter’s attacks on those who he sees as “elistist” he does in fact make some good points. I was suggesting a blog as an outlet to better organize his arguments. Blogs are like therapy, that’s what I use mine for.

    Come one Chris, let’s get this blog going, I will prove to you that you can be an even bigger voice than Robert Scoble as long as you can admit that you also are sometimes wrong. ;)

  3. No, rather, I have a long way to go to be in the same class as John and Gobbels, they are smarter and offer a differing perspective than I do. I am too flowerly screenwriterese, they are more real-world heavy substance.

    OMG! And here I thought the bloggers licking each other’s asses was bad. Now the blog commentors are stroking each other’s egos. It’s a sad sad day when the commentors do what they are constantly accusing the bloggers of doing —- hating on the mainstream bloggers (substitute journalists), stroking each other’s egos, making wild irrational statements backed by nothing. Awesome! Who watches the watchmen?

  4. No, rather, I have a long way to go to be in the same class as John and Gobbels, they are smarter and offer a differing perspective than I do. I am too flowerly screenwriterese, they are more real-world heavy substance.

    OMG! And here I thought the bloggers licking each other’s asses was bad. Now the blog commentors are stroking each other’s egos. It’s a sad sad day when the commentors do what they are constantly accusing the bloggers of doing —- hating on the mainstream bloggers (substitute journalists), stroking each other’s egos, making wild irrational statements backed by nothing. Awesome! Who watches the watchmen?

  5. Dump gallons of gasoline on the lawn, toss a lighted cig, well, you gotta expect some firefighters to show up. And you may think, it’s ‘mean’, ‘rude’, ‘a personal attack’ and ‘downright unpatriotic’ to point out that the Emperor Indeed Hath No Clothes, but here’s the other secret, since it generates sparks and heat, Scoble loves it. Still amazed at all the groupthink virtol, not surprised, just amazed.

    As for doing a blog, I have my own reasons why not, reasons I feel not a need to share. Or you mean only those with blogs are allowed a voice?

    you have such a long way to go to be in the same class as Christopher Coulter

    No, rather, I have a long way to go to be in the same class as John and Gobbels, they are smarter and offer a differing perspective than I do. I am too flowerly screenwriterese, they are more real-world heavy substance.

  6. Dump gallons of gasoline on the lawn, toss a lighted cig, well, you gotta expect some firefighters to show up. And you may think, it’s ‘mean’, ‘rude’, ‘a personal attack’ and ‘downright unpatriotic’ to point out that the Emperor Indeed Hath No Clothes, but here’s the other secret, since it generates sparks and heat, Scoble loves it. Still amazed at all the groupthink virtol, not surprised, just amazed.

    As for doing a blog, I have my own reasons why not, reasons I feel not a need to share. Or you mean only those with blogs are allowed a voice?

    you have such a long way to go to be in the same class as Christopher Coulter

    No, rather, I have a long way to go to be in the same class as John and Gobbels, they are smarter and offer a differing perspective than I do. I am too flowerly screenwriterese, they are more real-world heavy substance.

  7. Damon, I’m not screaming. not at all. But if you think somehow that in real life, (can we PLEASE just stop using TLA’s because we can?), that I’m somehow shy and retiring, um, no. Ask Dori Smith, or a few others who know me. I’ve no time to dance around people’s delusions or their need to confuse personal wants with reality. The real world’s pretty damned cool, but you gotta live in it before you can change it.

    I also don’t walk around making passive – aggressive little attacks on people to create controversy, or constantly remind people about what my ranking on some memetracker site is. (I don’t know if I even am, I don’t see a point in things like Technorati or the like other than ego-stroking) If I meet someone cool, I don’t feel the need to drop their name in every post for a month. If I know something that’s NDA’d, you’ll never know, because I won’t even talk about knowing it, much less what it is.

    Robert likes attention, he gets it. Seems like a win for him.

  8. Damon, I’m not screaming. not at all. But if you think somehow that in real life, (can we PLEASE just stop using TLA’s because we can?), that I’m somehow shy and retiring, um, no. Ask Dori Smith, or a few others who know me. I’ve no time to dance around people’s delusions or their need to confuse personal wants with reality. The real world’s pretty damned cool, but you gotta live in it before you can change it.

    I also don’t walk around making passive – aggressive little attacks on people to create controversy, or constantly remind people about what my ranking on some memetracker site is. (I don’t know if I even am, I don’t see a point in things like Technorati or the like other than ego-stroking) If I meet someone cool, I don’t feel the need to drop their name in every post for a month. If I know something that’s NDA’d, you’ll never know, because I won’t even talk about knowing it, much less what it is.

    Robert likes attention, he gets it. Seems like a win for him.

  9. John C., with all due respect, I think you miss the forest for the trees. While Steve might have phrased his “you should get a blog” comment better, his fundamental point still stands. Common courtesy is severely lacking here. Even if Scoble styles himself the “King of Bloggers”, there’s no excuse for the naked vitriol that’s spewed forth here. I’m not saying we should be stroking Scoble’s ego; disagreement is fine, but there’s a civil way to do it, and ad hominem attacks are just childish. You don’t walk around IRL screaming in people’s faces; at least, you don’t if your survival instincts are normal.

    Anyway, this thread has worn itself out. I bid you adieu.

  10. John C., with all due respect, I think you miss the forest for the trees. While Steve might have phrased his “you should get a blog” comment better, his fundamental point still stands. Common courtesy is severely lacking here. Even if Scoble styles himself the “King of Bloggers”, there’s no excuse for the naked vitriol that’s spewed forth here. I’m not saying we should be stroking Scoble’s ego; disagreement is fine, but there’s a civil way to do it, and ad hominem attacks are just childish. You don’t walk around IRL screaming in people’s faces; at least, you don’t if your survival instincts are normal.

    Anyway, this thread has worn itself out. I bid you adieu.

  11. I don’t understand what is stood to be gained from winning an argument about whether blogging is a fad or not.

    Blogging is what it is. What makes a particular blog important isn’t whether it is a fad or not, but whether it is consistently a quality means of communication.

  12. I don’t understand what is stood to be gained from winning an argument about whether blogging is a fad or not.

    Blogging is what it is. What makes a particular blog important isn’t whether it is a fad or not, but whether it is consistently a quality means of communication.

  13. And while we are wishing and bashing, could somebody add a spell checker to comments, I know mis spelling keeps this real, but man sometimes it gets rough:

    If you ever get tired of doing this (Scoblizing) let me know, I would love to take a whack at this!

  14. And while we are wishing and bashing, could somebody add a spell checker to comments, I know mis spelling keeps this real, but man sometimes it gets rough:

    If you ever get tired of doing this (Scoblizing) let me know, I would love to take a whack at this!

  15. And while we are wishing and bashing, could somebody add a spell checker to comments, I know mis spelling keeps this real, but man sometimes it gets rough:

    If you ever get tired of doing this (Scoblizing) let me know, I would love to take a whack at this!

  16. And here we have it, Scoblisem at it’ best. Each post in anybody’s blog has the potential to be a bubble, personally I like to read Scoble’s stuff because I like the job he has. I have never met him and from what I have seen from his work on channel 9 and this blog, I would enjoy having a job where I interview and publish to the web without a PR filtering or an editor. Yes Robert has editedsome of his posts but so what.
    From what I can tell, the whole purpose of a naked conversation is have a talk about anything you want and see what and how people will react and comment.
    This paticular blog, for some reason has generated a lot of comments that ask for or comment on restrictions or editing of comments because of the content of that comment. I do not agree, why publish in an open enviorment unless you want several people from all walks and talks to say something about it.
    Robert, in your next book, you might want to focus on what it takes to get where you personally are. The reason for this is we keep seeing people comment on your belives, reasons, and loyalties. I wonder how accurate all of these folks are.
    If you ever get tied of doing this (Scoblizing) let me know, I would love to take a whack at this!

  17. And here we have it, Scoblisem at it’ best. Each post in anybody’s blog has the potential to be a bubble, personally I like to read Scoble’s stuff because I like the job he has. I have never met him and from what I have seen from his work on channel 9 and this blog, I would enjoy having a job where I interview and publish to the web without a PR filtering or an editor. Yes Robert has editedsome of his posts but so what.
    From what I can tell, the whole purpose of a naked conversation is have a talk about anything you want and see what and how people will react and comment.
    This paticular blog, for some reason has generated a lot of comments that ask for or comment on restrictions or editing of comments because of the content of that comment. I do not agree, why publish in an open enviorment unless you want several people from all walks and talks to say something about it.
    Robert, in your next book, you might want to focus on what it takes to get where you personally are. The reason for this is we keep seeing people comment on your belives, reasons, and loyalties. I wonder how accurate all of these folks are.
    If you ever get tied of doing this (Scoblizing) let me know, I would love to take a whack at this!

  18. And here we have it, Scoblisem at it’ best. Each post in anybody’s blog has the potential to be a bubble, personally I like to read Scoble’s stuff because I like the job he has. I have never met him and from what I have seen from his work on channel 9 and this blog, I would enjoy having a job where I interview and publish to the web without a PR filtering or an editor. Yes Robert has editedsome of his posts but so what.
    From what I can tell, the whole purpose of a naked conversation is have a talk about anything you want and see what and how people will react and comment.
    This paticular blog, for some reason has generated a lot of comments that ask for or comment on restrictions or editing of comments because of the content of that comment. I do not agree, why publish in an open enviorment unless you want several people from all walks and talks to say something about it.
    Robert, in your next book, you might want to focus on what it takes to get where you personally are. The reason for this is we keep seeing people comment on your belives, reasons, and loyalties. I wonder how accurate all of these folks are.
    If you ever get tied of doing this (Scoblizing) let me know, I would love to take a whack at this!

  19. Awww, poor babies.

    Let me break it down: no, I don’t want attention. I “use” thename Goebbels to remain anonymous (remain when the web was supposed to foster anonymous, free interchange — then a couple of web snobs get together and claim blogs is the shit and now anonymity is a bad word. Boo hoo!) and to call attention to Scoble’s propaganda. Scoble has my email address. We have communicated through private channels, and if he has an issue with me, I wish he do so.

    I wish this has spurred debate rather than a bunch of posts whining over inane etiquette. Get over it. It’s the web.

    And finally, my point (apparently hidden beneath sharp but also humorous remarks) was that:

    95% of what the “elite” technogeek bloggers blog about is a bubble. They are unaware of their own hype. They are even unaware that they aren’t talking about anything new. They are unaware that their medium isn’t new or anything special: yes, it has certain unique qualities of immediacy, but despite the claims of democratizing, free speech, etc… We have corporate blogs, paid blogs, blogs that are just PR, we have blogs that are money machines that are now a part of traditional media, we have journalists using blogs just as they used email and oped pages, we have kids using blogs as journals. Big deal. Me and several others told Scoble three years ago that at some point blog hype with have to die because he woudl realize that like journals, newspapers, TV, etc… it would be integrated into mainstream media with all its good and its bad (censorship, money, advertising, poor content, redundent content, an “elect” minority that is heard over the many voices, etc…

    It is truly pathetic within the tech sector where they think they have some ownership of the medium while they ignore the factthat most blogs are kiddies writing about falling asleep in English or getting into some girl’s pants. They have a constant need to keep talking about the medium over and over and over…

    And then Scoble has the balls to tryto criticize or call out anyone? It’s been a long time since he’s had an idea, and when he did usually he was just trumpeting someone else’s idea. Now, the majority of his posts are: look at this geek conference where we pulled each other’s puds, or look at this trip I took, or look at this tiny little company that I have no influence over or look at this comment made by this blogger that was already made 3 years ago…

    Where are the confident strident predictions that Microsoft woudl be delivering rewarding redeeming products, where are the claims that RSS and other technologies would be revolutionized by MS because they get its importance and are the only ones who cando the whole package, where are the claims that MS has a brilliant media strategy, that it’s open, that PlayForSure is superior, where are the inciteful claims that the iPod’s dominance would end through MS’s partnership with cheap manufacturers?

    This is a geek’s blog. A geek who does marketing for Microsoft. A geek who claims to be at the forefront and a major advocate of certain technologies. But in fact, if that’s true, his blog posts suggests its just hype or he’s failing.

    That’s my point. Yes, maybe I offended some poor souls, butI think my first post expressed it and more succinctly. If people weren’t babies, I wouldn’t even havehad to post twice. Peace, y’all.

  20. Awww, poor babies.

    Let me break it down: no, I don’t want attention. I “use” thename Goebbels to remain anonymous (remain when the web was supposed to foster anonymous, free interchange — then a couple of web snobs get together and claim blogs is the shit and now anonymity is a bad word. Boo hoo!) and to call attention to Scoble’s propaganda. Scoble has my email address. We have communicated through private channels, and if he has an issue with me, I wish he do so.

    I wish this has spurred debate rather than a bunch of posts whining over inane etiquette. Get over it. It’s the web.

    And finally, my point (apparently hidden beneath sharp but also humorous remarks) was that:

    95% of what the “elite” technogeek bloggers blog about is a bubble. They are unaware of their own hype. They are even unaware that they aren’t talking about anything new. They are unaware that their medium isn’t new or anything special: yes, it has certain unique qualities of immediacy, but despite the claims of democratizing, free speech, etc… We have corporate blogs, paid blogs, blogs that are just PR, we have blogs that are money machines that are now a part of traditional media, we have journalists using blogs just as they used email and oped pages, we have kids using blogs as journals. Big deal. Me and several others told Scoble three years ago that at some point blog hype with have to die because he woudl realize that like journals, newspapers, TV, etc… it would be integrated into mainstream media with all its good and its bad (censorship, money, advertising, poor content, redundent content, an “elect” minority that is heard over the many voices, etc…

    It is truly pathetic within the tech sector where they think they have some ownership of the medium while they ignore the factthat most blogs are kiddies writing about falling asleep in English or getting into some girl’s pants. They have a constant need to keep talking about the medium over and over and over…

    And then Scoble has the balls to tryto criticize or call out anyone? It’s been a long time since he’s had an idea, and when he did usually he was just trumpeting someone else’s idea. Now, the majority of his posts are: look at this geek conference where we pulled each other’s puds, or look at this trip I took, or look at this tiny little company that I have no influence over or look at this comment made by this blogger that was already made 3 years ago…

    Where are the confident strident predictions that Microsoft woudl be delivering rewarding redeeming products, where are the claims that RSS and other technologies would be revolutionized by MS because they get its importance and are the only ones who cando the whole package, where are the claims that MS has a brilliant media strategy, that it’s open, that PlayForSure is superior, where are the inciteful claims that the iPod’s dominance would end through MS’s partnership with cheap manufacturers?

    This is a geek’s blog. A geek who does marketing for Microsoft. A geek who claims to be at the forefront and a major advocate of certain technologies. But in fact, if that’s true, his blog posts suggests its just hype or he’s failing.

    That’s my point. Yes, maybe I offended some poor souls, butI think my first post expressed it and more succinctly. If people weren’t babies, I wouldn’t even havehad to post twice. Peace, y’all.

  21. Awww, poor babies.

    Let me break it down: no, I don’t want attention. I “use” thename Goebbels to remain anonymous (remain when the web was supposed to foster anonymous, free interchange — then a couple of web snobs get together and claim blogs is the shit and now anonymity is a bad word. Boo hoo!) and to call attention to Scoble’s propaganda. Scoble has my email address. We have communicated through private channels, and if he has an issue with me, I wish he do so.

    I wish this has spurred debate rather than a bunch of posts whining over inane etiquette. Get over it. It’s the web.

    And finally, my point (apparently hidden beneath sharp but also humorous remarks) was that:

    95% of what the “elite” technogeek bloggers blog about is a bubble. They are unaware of their own hype. They are even unaware that they aren’t talking about anything new. They are unaware that their medium isn’t new or anything special: yes, it has certain unique qualities of immediacy, but despite the claims of democratizing, free speech, etc… We have corporate blogs, paid blogs, blogs that are just PR, we have blogs that are money machines that are now a part of traditional media, we have journalists using blogs just as they used email and oped pages, we have kids using blogs as journals. Big deal. Me and several others told Scoble three years ago that at some point blog hype with have to die because he woudl realize that like journals, newspapers, TV, etc… it would be integrated into mainstream media with all its good and its bad (censorship, money, advertising, poor content, redundent content, an “elect” minority that is heard over the many voices, etc…

    It is truly pathetic within the tech sector where they think they have some ownership of the medium while they ignore the factthat most blogs are kiddies writing about falling asleep in English or getting into some girl’s pants. They have a constant need to keep talking about the medium over and over and over…

    And then Scoble has the balls to tryto criticize or call out anyone? It’s been a long time since he’s had an idea, and when he did usually he was just trumpeting someone else’s idea. Now, the majority of his posts are: look at this geek conference where we pulled each other’s puds, or look at this trip I took, or look at this tiny little company that I have no influence over or look at this comment made by this blogger that was already made 3 years ago…

    Where are the confident strident predictions that Microsoft woudl be delivering rewarding redeeming products, where are the claims that RSS and other technologies would be revolutionized by MS because they get its importance and are the only ones who cando the whole package, where are the claims that MS has a brilliant media strategy, that it’s open, that PlayForSure is superior, where are the inciteful claims that the iPod’s dominance would end through MS’s partnership with cheap manufacturers?

    This is a geek’s blog. A geek who does marketing for Microsoft. A geek who claims to be at the forefront and a major advocate of certain technologies. But in fact, if that’s true, his blog posts suggests its just hype or he’s failing.

    That’s my point. Yes, maybe I offended some poor souls, butI think my first post expressed it and more succinctly. If people weren’t babies, I wouldn’t even havehad to post twice. Peace, y’all.

  22. John – you’re so missing the point but then we have reached that stage in the exchange where you don’t care what I say.

    I don’t want to attack him there. I don’t want to attack him here. I want him to stop his personal attacks. Challenge – fine. Argue – fine. Contradictory opinion – fine. Making it personal crosses the line. I totally care that he learns something. Some decent behaviour would be a good start.

    Clearly i can’t win with you. And probably not with him.

    My sincere apologies to everyone for taking up so much bandwidth on such a waste of time. Sorry.

  23. John – you’re so missing the point but then we have reached that stage in the exchange where you don’t care what I say.

    I don’t want to attack him there. I don’t want to attack him here. I want him to stop his personal attacks. Challenge – fine. Argue – fine. Contradictory opinion – fine. Making it personal crosses the line. I totally care that he learns something. Some decent behaviour would be a good start.

    Clearly i can’t win with you. And probably not with him.

    My sincere apologies to everyone for taking up so much bandwidth on such a waste of time. Sorry.

  24. John – you’re so missing the point but then we have reached that stage in the exchange where you don’t care what I say.

    I don’t want to attack him there. I don’t want to attack him here. I want him to stop his personal attacks. Challenge – fine. Argue – fine. Contradictory opinion – fine. Making it personal crosses the line. I totally care that he learns something. Some decent behaviour would be a good start.

    Clearly i can’t win with you. And probably not with him.

    My sincere apologies to everyone for taking up so much bandwidth on such a waste of time. Sorry.

  25. Again Steve, the only reason you want Chris to have a blog is so that you can attack him there. That’s it. You don’t care if he learns anything from it, you just want an easier target. that’s kind of sad if you think about it.

    Protestations to the contrary are just you trying to justify it in your mind.

  26. Again Steve, the only reason you want Chris to have a blog is so that you can attack him there. That’s it. You don’t care if he learns anything from it, you just want an easier target. that’s kind of sad if you think about it.

    Protestations to the contrary are just you trying to justify it in your mind.

  27. Again Steve, the only reason you want Chris to have a blog is so that you can attack him there. That’s it. You don’t care if he learns anything from it, you just want an easier target. that’s kind of sad if you think about it.

    Protestations to the contrary are just you trying to justify it in your mind.

  28. John C. Welsh does hit on a key point about bloggers–Scoble in particular. That is the issue of not wanting to be right, but rather be first. Scoble’s blog is rife with examples of that. And, as John points out, when he gets called on it he simple resorts to the “Ah shucks. Well, sorry! But, that’s the beauty of blogging… the truth will eventually come out…” (“But in the mean time, look how making links and referrals I got back to my blog to soldify my even more as an “A-lister”– whatever he hell that self important blogging term means.)

    I’m finding more and more the political blogs to be much more credible and more of a threat to MSM than these spank-bank techno blogs. They self police much more than the geeks do. Because they are not so obsessed with visibility, validation and made up rankings. They are also, for the most part, much more concerned with being right than being first (See:”Rathergate”).

    And lets not fool ourselves. Scoble’s blog is about Scoble and what he can do to maintain his pseudo A-list ranking and remain relevant in the made up blogosphere. It seems that for the last few weeks, not a week goes by where he hasn’t posted about what it takes for him to maintain his A-list ranking. Makes one wonder if he’s not wondering if the Slate author has a point.

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