Hell to get colder: Slashdot has headline that says “Why Vista won’t suck”

Pfff, I use OpenBSD 3.8. Don't flippin' talk about security unless you can back it up. The OpenBSD project's claim-to-fame is that they've only had 1 remote flaw in the default install in more than 8 years.

Beat that, Microsoft. Until then, STFU.

Well, it took all of 10 minutes for the first anti-Microsoft attack. I mean, how can they back it up...the product isn't even released yet.

I will say that Microsoft had dang well better make Vista unbelievably secure because no one will give them the benefit of the doubt--the world is poised to rip MS apart. And, in a way, who can blame them?

Pretty good article that covers a lot of bases other sites have completely overlooked. The new audio subsystem and voice recognition sound nice (and oddly familiar to CoreAudio and OSX's system-wide voice recognition). Also, comparing Windows Movie Maker to iMovie is like comparing a dog bowl to Waterford crystal.

All that being said, SuperFetch sounds fascinating and I'm looking forward to Vista's implementation to system-wide search and networking. When's this coming out again?

Slashdot is going slowly for me. Is this scobleizer effect?

I say don't judge until you tried it.

"I say don’t judge until you tried it."

Well, I say "don't hype until it's out," and that doesn't do much good either. Sorry, wagi, every evangelist is going to have unbelievers to deal with. Goes with the territory.

“don’t hype until it’s out,”

Tetra, you are also right. When things are hyped too much that means something may be wrong. But hey, what do I know.

Don't get excited. "Why Vista Won't Suck" was not an editorial comment from Slashdot; it was a paraphrase of the ExtremeTech title.

“don’t hype until it’s out”

You failed marketing class, didn't you?

"Pfff, I use OpenBSD 3.8"

ya and so do alot of people? Please

Where talking about windows not some freely available Unix-like computer operating system descended from Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD), a Unix derivative created by the University of California, Berkeley. It was forked from NetBSD, a previous open source operating system based on BSD

I want to use a OS that has tons of real world application support and is fun to use and has a nice gui to work with.

I don't spend my weekend compiling my kernel so I can have a customized screensaver

I can't wait for Mac OS X Version 2(aka vista)!!
Seriously, almost all features in vista that are SO "innovative" were released like 4 years ago in tiger. Microsoft is lame(sometimes :p), vista is just eye-candy and a little tiny bit of enhanced security.

mcepat,

That just proves you're an idiot if you believe that you can't have a GUI with OpenBSD. I personally don't use a GUI with BSD, because I use it in a server enviroment, but you can most definately install a GUI to it.

the product isn’t even released yet.

The fact Vista isn't released yet makes it an unproven product security-wise, not secure.

Why would responsible corporate enterprise adopt an unproven product (whose made-in-Redmond predecessors, BTW, have significantly more security problems than any competing offering) when demonstrably more secure alternatives exist today?

The reason can only be because of the OEM leverage Microsoft still employs as a result of its monopoly position.

Scoble. Slashdotters can be commies who eat ramen noodles 365 but they do have some good points some times. I like these comments. Are you taking notes on any of this stuff? Does Microsoft have a Windows ToDo Doc on an internal sharepoint server?

What I do want is a file system that doesn't fragment, better performance on my current hardware than XP, and some hard disk health-monitoring system. I want a media player that doesn't need to connect to Microsoft.com every time I open it. I want upgrades to the built-in suite of apps like Paint, WordPad, etc. I want to make my own skins and use them without adding 3rd party software. I want to have the option to keep transfering files if one fails to copy. I want QuickLaunch enabled by default, and I want a Default User Editor so I can easily edit the system for other accounts.
I don't want a bloody "Automatic Defragmenter" to "fix" a problem that should have been fixed ages ago. I don't want to pay for MS Hotmail to work with MS Mail. I don't want IE7 to save my typed URLs in the already bloated registry, don't want anything beyond my History.

I don't agree 100 percent but he's got some good pointers.

So in other words now, XP sucks?

Comment by Cody

sorry Cody I know it can have a GUI my point was a GUI that would blow you away like 3d effects etc shown for Vista not some GUI that looks like Windows 95 which is most of the GUI's I have seen out there for Linux versions, and ya I agree for a server you don't even need a GUI and MS is getting the idea with that for upcoming Longhorn Server which installs by default with no GUI

The fact is that anyone being honest with the public. And anyone who has spent more than a little time testing this new operating system out from a consumer standpoint. Can point to several reasons why in fact this new OS will in fact suck if kept in it's present form. To many uber geeks giving this beta product the thumbs up without really thinking in my opinion.

Who gives a crap if the GUI can "blow you away". Why would I want to sacrifice my CPU cycles so that "OMG VISTA!" can have transparent BS running. I DON'T WANT TO WASTE MY SYSTEM RESOURCES ON USELESS CRAP!

I can run BSD on specs so low that Windows CE can't touch it, because of BLOAT.

If pretty little GUI menus make you sleep better at night, then so be it. But for me, I want performance, security, and reliability.

Vista will be very, very good. Performance (on a modern PC) should be excellent. Will it be great? No, because the Longhorn Pillars won't be the dogfood that the OS eats (I ignore the various excuses for not doing so, as other OS manufacturers Apple would at least make the damn shell use the new framework); in fact "Longhorn Pillar" is an irrelevant term. The UI looks great, though, and the underlying improvements will be the real treat. Whatever the next OS will be *should* be where it's at (knock on wood, unless those "there's too much legacy code to throw away" people still have a voice 3 years from now), with Vista putting in the core fundamentals (not Foundations, unfortunately) that the future versions will build on
BTW: Does anyone outside Bill Gates really give a damn that VisiCalc can run on Vista? Just make WOW16/WOW32 decent and give us more of a clean slate (AND emphasize the clean slate!)

I normally don't cause a fuss. I decided it's important that I make at least a small stand. I won't be buying any Microsoft OSes until I see they have fixed the Copy algorithm from the 70's or 80's. If one file fails, they all fail. Come on, it's 2006!!!

Oh, and Cody. You represent a very small amount of uber geeks that use PC's for a narrow scope of things. What are you running a spam image farm? Crunching sounds for Yeti burps? I agree, Explorer in it's present form is a bloat but still. It's pretty bad but games released in 98 take up less resources than IE or Explorer. That's about to increase... Let's hope it's not by much...

Oh, I just have to say that "Let windows Rate your hardware game" is genious. How much did intel pay Bill for that feature!!! Give em an F Bill.. make him feel like an old timer loser with a computer that is SO 2005.

Me:

>Seriously, almost all features in vista that are SO “innovative” were released like 4 years ago in tiger.

Hmm, where can I buy my Tablet PC? Or my Mac Media Center? I didn't know that Apple had those features four years ago. Where? Please do tell me.

Yeah, and tell it to Konfabulator you monkey!

Cody,

OpenBSD??????

Duh. My refrigerator is even more secure than your OpenBSD box. And it does a lot more.

Hari, I just got the new Maytag... Very nice.. I can order a new water filter for it by pressing a button on the front!! Oh, and it keeps the soda cold!! =)

I was excited about the title too - and even the article that was linked to was well written. But, leave it to the Slashdotters to speak out of their as*** - have you seen the comments? Anything Microsoft does *has* to be evil, period.

I like knowing more than you guys, it's fun. :) UNIX is more powerful and secure than Windows. Always.

Maybe one day you'll see the light. Here's to hoping.

Farhan: maybe we ARE evil. :-)

Oh, wait, two kids from Stanford stole our evil and they aren't giving it back despite our pleas!

Heh, you should see "Scobleizer Inc" inside Second Life. I'll blog about that soon. Very big. Very evil. Even have blood running in our fountains and the building is built on top of a lava field.

Uh, scoble?

Apple released the Mac Media Center today. They call it the new Mac Mini. It has remote control, streams audio/video all over the house to other macs, Front Row rocks (comparable to MS media center I'd say) but comes with a content pipeline with one click ordering. Check the IO ports - some interesting choices there - why 4 USB 2.0 ports? Something is coming I think.

I wouldn't bother to bring up the lame MS media center wannabe again. Makes you look uninformed. I'd say Jobs has pretty well consolidated the media industry/content distribution pipeline and MS is always gonna be playing catchup.

Where's the MS music store, audio device, home video store? What's the point of a media center without media?

Innocent: well, congratulations. Now a Mac can do what a Media Center did, what, three years ago? Whhhheeeee.

Scoble uses his usual Hey-look-at-me toy. Here goes with an article from a nerd/tech site, plus a link on a nerd/tech site. How surprising to see nerd/tech people talk about a new product to be released.

"Innocent: well, congratulations. Now a Mac can do what a Media Center did, what, three years ago? Whhhheeeee."

Uh, is this the real Scoble? If so, when did you become a comments troll?

Tetra: oh, sorry, don't mistake me for someone factual. The new Mac doesn't even have a tuner built in. Still waiting!

And, I've learned how to troll from the best!

I'll judge whether it sucks when I see it.

Till then all this is baseless hype.

"Apple released the Mac Media Center today. They call it the new Mac Mini. It has remote control, streams audio/video all over the house to other macs"

So the new Media Center ripoff (Front Row) allows me to purchase media! Wow. I _so_ haven't been able to do that for the last 4 years with MCE! I'm getting an underpowered, overpriced, barely upgradable Mac Mini right now! Oh wait, no I'm not.

You can't even watch TV with Front Row. You have to _buy_ TV that someone else recorded weeks ago. Thanks for the innovation Apple. How about timeshifting live TV? Nope, can't do that either - no TV tuner. Man that sucks.

Obviously, Innocent Bystander has never seen, let alone used a MCE machine.

The one thing that people always seem to ignore in these very scoble-site specific apple vs microsoft wars is that there are some products that apple doesn't make. Scoble, you're right, mac doesn't make a tablet (unless you count the newton of course). Microsoft does. Congrats. Apple also has a high end photo organizing suite for pros called aperture, MS doesn't. Big Fn Deal. The point that you guys are forgetting is that you're supposed to be fighting about what both companies do have, an OS.

Ok? Now get back at each others throats!

I hate hearing Microsoft talk about security. Every year they promise security, and they FAIL.

Go look at OpenBSD's security track record, and then look at Windows. I DARE you.

So far the MCE machine's key edge seems to be - wait for it - TV?

Who watches TV? Seriously, TV steals your life and I tossed mine years ago. I do like movies, have giant itunes lib (nice to put 6 large boxes of CD's in the attic), fair number of DVD's, but TV?

For the idiot who carped about "purchasing TV shows", do you have cable? How is that not buying TV? Or do you watch commercial TV with 1-3 mix of ads to content? Do a little time calculation and you'll find its way cheaper to buy an episode of (heck I can't even name a show on) than to sit through the ads.

I just don't care about it - its crap.

Oh, and uh, how is that MCE for general computer use? Music production? Can you make movies/DVDs with it or are you just a spectator? If I buy two, will they share content so it looks like one big repository?

I really don't see MS in the home market at all. Apple has all the juice.

You had your notebook on your lap before I got to the podium. Did you expect me to compete with the entire interweb for your attention?! ;-)