Lenn Pryor: master of change

Who the heck is calling my cell phone with a Skype address I asked myself before picking up the phone. “Hi, this is Lenn,” the voice said. Damn, it was like Skype itself was calling me. Heheh. (Lenn Pryor is my former boss, who left Microsoft to join Skype).

So, we quickly made plans to meet at the local Fry’s in Campbell. It was great seeing him again. He told me all about what’s happened in his life. Moving to new countries (two different countries in less than a year). Having a new son. New job. Hey, Lenn, is there any other life change that you can possibly squeeze into one 12-month period?

But, you know what? All that change made Lenn wiser and very interesting to be around. I won’t break the news (that’s for him and his blog) but sounds like good times are ahead for the Pryor family. Oh, and more change. :-)

For those who don’t know, he’s helping keep the developers at eBay/Skype happy and working together.

I snapped a picture of Lenn inside the Fry’s. Which, of course, is breaking the rules. John Fry told me a few years back that he doesn’t want photos taken inside his stores. Shhhh, don’t tell anyone.

  • http://diegov.blogspot.com/ Diego

    What does the inscription in Lenn’s t-shirt mean?

  • http://diegov.blogspot.com Diego

    What does the inscription in Lenn’s t-shirt mean?

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ scobleizer

    He bought that at Apple’s corporate store in Cupertino.

    Heheh!

    I visited the mother ship in 1977! Back when I was in Junior High! (I got a tour of Apple’s only building back then. Took about 15 minutes).

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ scobleizer

    He bought that at Apple’s corporate store in Cupertino.

    Heheh!

    I visited the mother ship in 1977! Back when I was in Junior High! (I got a tour of Apple’s only building back then. Took about 15 minutes).

  • http://www.beercosoftware.com/ Beer28

    Robert, I’m pretty mad over this, please get our material off of your website. I won’t go scanning your new book and OCR it onto the web, so why should you serve my writing? There was no licensing agreement and I am not able to delete it. I’m really, really pissed off. I want you to take it off. I’m sending a post mail registered letter again tomorrow because I can’t even confirm that you received the C&D I sent. Take our content off of your website please.

  • http://www.beercosoftware.com Beer28

    Robert, I’m pretty mad over this, please get our material off of your website. I won’t go scanning your new book and OCR it onto the web, so why should you serve my writing? There was no licensing agreement and I am not able to delete it. I’m really, really pissed off. I want you to take it off. I’m sending a post mail registered letter again tomorrow because I can’t even confirm that you received the C&D I sent. Take our content off of your website please.

  • Andrey

    Google took me to your article published on Sunday, April 18, 2004 (WiFi on Caltrain). You offered contact to Brian Kelleher… Well, do I have a solution. Would have posted in a comment to the original article as you instructed, but the site would not let me :(

    Just put me in touch with the man, and in six weeks or less you’ll be enjoying full Internet as you ride!

    Thanks, man!

    ~Andrey

  • Andrey

    Google took me to your article published on Sunday, April 18, 2004 (WiFi on Caltrain). You offered contact to Brian Kelleher… Well, do I have a solution. Would have posted in a comment to the original article as you instructed, but the site would not let me :(

    Just put me in touch with the man, and in six weeks or less you’ll be enjoying full Internet as you ride!

    Thanks, man!

    ~Andrey

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ Robert Scoble

    Beer, I can’t delete things like that. I have to get team approval. So chill out my man.

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com Robert Scoble

    Beer, I can’t delete things like that. I have to get team approval. So chill out my man.

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ Robert Scoble

    Andrey, I don’t have his contact info anymore, sorry.

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com Robert Scoble

    Andrey, I don’t have his contact info anymore, sorry.

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ Robert Scoble

    Beer: you might want your lawyers to read the terms of usage over on Channel 9, by the way. You have no rights to demand us to take down your content because by simply posting it you’ve given us license to use it.

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com Robert Scoble

    Beer: you might want your lawyers to read the terms of usage over on Channel 9, by the way. You have no rights to demand us to take down your content because by simply posting it you’ve given us license to use it.

  • http://www.conchbbs.com/ Scott Royall

    Why do geeks look so… geeky?

  • http://www.conchbbs.com Scott Royall

    Why do geeks look so… geeky?

  • Beer28

    “Beer, I can’t delete things like that. I have to get team approval. So chill out my man.”

    You’ll notice that you don’t have to agree to license anything upon signup to the C9 website. And even if you put something there now, I did not agree to it when I signed up. I never said, in a digital signature or otherwise, Robert Scoble, you now have a copyright license over what I write.

    I did not do that. BeerCo Software has legally copyrighted everything I wrote. You no longer own the rights to publish any of the Beer28 posts. What you are doing is against the DMCA, and other laws that prevent the piracy of materials that have been copyrighted.

    I am sending all related materials stating the complaint that were emailed to your email, but not confirmed as received to 1 microsoft way today. The guidelines concerning this by the justice minister says I am to wait 10 days for a reply from yesterday, the time I served you with the notice and then to sue.

    I was hoping you’d do the right thing, I’m through discussing it, because I see that it may have to go to court now.

  • Beer28

    “Beer, I can’t delete things like that. I have to get team approval. So chill out my man.”

    You’ll notice that you don’t have to agree to license anything upon signup to the C9 website. And even if you put something there now, I did not agree to it when I signed up. I never said, in a digital signature or otherwise, Robert Scoble, you now have a copyright license over what I write.

    I did not do that. BeerCo Software has legally copyrighted everything I wrote. You no longer own the rights to publish any of the Beer28 posts. What you are doing is against the DMCA, and other laws that prevent the piracy of materials that have been copyrighted.

    I am sending all related materials stating the complaint that were emailed to your email, but not confirmed as received to 1 microsoft way today. The guidelines concerning this by the justice minister says I am to wait 10 days for a reply from yesterday, the time I served you with the notice and then to sue.

    I was hoping you’d do the right thing, I’m through discussing it, because I see that it may have to go to court now.

  • http://www.dotnetjunkies.com/WebLog/paul/default.aspx paul

    Beer, C9 is a community, your posts were part of a conversation and to remove them now would make other members posts look ridiculous.

  • http://www.dotnetjunkies.com/WebLog/paul/default.aspx paul

    Beer, C9 is a community, your posts were part of a conversation and to remove them now would make other members posts look ridiculous.

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ scobleizer

    Hey, Officer, I didn’t see the Speed Limit sign!

    Hint, Beer, that’s not a defense. It’s there in the clear. If you don’t think it were legally defensible, do you think any company would have a community site? No. Cause then anyone could do what you’re doing.

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ scobleizer

    Hey, Officer, I didn’t see the Speed Limit sign!

    Hint, Beer, that’s not a defense. It’s there in the clear. If you don’t think it were legally defensible, do you think any company would have a community site? No. Cause then anyone could do what you’re doing.

  • Eric TF Bat

    Woot! A Linux programmer invoking the DMCA! Isn’t that like Osama bin Laden complaining that someone is acting like a Nazi? Cool!

  • Eric TF Bat

    Woot! A Linux programmer invoking the DMCA! Isn’t that like Osama bin Laden complaining that someone is acting like a Nazi? Cool!

  • Beer28

    Scoble, I was never asked to agree to any licensing. I simply signed up with an email and username and was sent a password.

    I have screenshots and evidence to support this. I never agreed to give you or microsoft any free redistribution license over what I wrote, nor was I ever asked to. I never digitally signed any license agreement as you would on a website that requires you to allow them to sublicense work.

    If you screwed up and did not require this, then that’s your own fault. I know for 1000% certain that I never did agree to give you or microsoft a sublicense on my written work.

    I am packing the Beer28 postings in a commercial ebook with author commentary and it will be up for sale very shortly.

    This “don’t you think Microsoft is smarter than that” thing won’t fly with me Robert. I didn’t agree to license my writing and I am not licensing it to you or anyone else at this time.

    Please stop violating our copyright and take down our content from your website.

  • Beer28

    Scoble, I was never asked to agree to any licensing. I simply signed up with an email and username and was sent a password.

    I have screenshots and evidence to support this. I never agreed to give you or microsoft any free redistribution license over what I wrote, nor was I ever asked to. I never digitally signed any license agreement as you would on a website that requires you to allow them to sublicense work.

    If you screwed up and did not require this, then that’s your own fault. I know for 1000% certain that I never did agree to give you or microsoft a sublicense on my written work.

    I am packing the Beer28 postings in a commercial ebook with author commentary and it will be up for sale very shortly.

    This “don’t you think Microsoft is smarter than that” thing won’t fly with me Robert. I didn’t agree to license my writing and I am not licensing it to you or anyone else at this time.

    Please stop violating our copyright and take down our content from your website.

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ scobleizer

    You don’t need to agree. You just needed to participate. You should really have a talk with a real lawyer. Again, I’m not listening to demands of yours. They’ve been sent to our lawyers and they’ll decide what to do.

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ scobleizer

    You don’t need to agree. You just needed to participate. You should really have a talk with a real lawyer. Again, I’m not listening to demands of yours. They’ve been sent to our lawyers and they’ll decide what to do.

  • Guido

    Beer: By using the site you agree to the Terms & Conditions – http://channel9.msdn.com/termsofuse.aspx

    “I am packing the Beer28 postings in a commercial ebook with author commentary and it will be up for sale very shortly.”

    I’m sorry… and you are complaining because _you_ posted them on Channel9 before?

  • Guido

    Beer: By using the site you agree to the Terms & Conditions – http://channel9.msdn.com/termsofuse.aspx

    “I am packing the Beer28 postings in a commercial ebook with author commentary and it will be up for sale very shortly.”

    I’m sorry… and you are complaining because _you_ posted them on Channel9 before?

  • Beer28

    I NEVER agreed to the terms of use, in a digital signature or otherwise, was never prompted to do that the entire time I posted there, or even saw them the entire time I had posted the Beer28 comments. I did not enter into a binding contract to have my media redistributed by Robert Scoble nor Microsoft.

    I was never presented with a contract to agree to by Robert Scoble or Microsoft.

    That’s all I can say.

    Again these demands are not personally for you Robert, but for microsoft in general to take down the material that we have a copyright on, encompassing the contents of Beer28 posts.

  • Beer28

    I NEVER agreed to the terms of use, in a digital signature or otherwise, was never prompted to do that the entire time I posted there, or even saw them the entire time I had posted the Beer28 comments. I did not enter into a binding contract to have my media redistributed by Robert Scoble nor Microsoft.

    I was never presented with a contract to agree to by Robert Scoble or Microsoft.

    That’s all I can say.

    Again these demands are not personally for you Robert, but for microsoft in general to take down the material that we have a copyright on, encompassing the contents of Beer28 posts.

  • http://www.dotnetjunkies.com/WebLog/paul/default.aspx paul

    Beer, C9 is a community where we share thoughts, ideas, links and news about technology and our own lives.

    We are the embodiment of open source.

  • http://www.dotnetjunkies.com/WebLog/paul/default.aspx paul

    Beer, C9 is a community where we share thoughts, ideas, links and news about technology and our own lives.

    We are the embodiment of open source.

  • Beer28

    “We are the embodiment of open source.”

    I take serious objection to that. You don’t know what open source is if you think it’s about online discussion and syndication. Likewise to Robert’s idea about simply showing the marketing behind a poratble media player.

    Additionally, I think that out of respect for Robert that we should terminate this discussion. I only mentioned it here because the email address he gave me was rejected by the MS smtp server.

    My comments are not part of my GPL code base, they are my artistic work, and they are now copyrighted and being shown with no license agreement on their website. That is my objection, and I will take it up in the proper forum now, which is not the MS channel9 website, nor this blog.

  • Beer28

    “We are the embodiment of open source.”

    I take serious objection to that. You don’t know what open source is if you think it’s about online discussion and syndication. Likewise to Robert’s idea about simply showing the marketing behind a poratble media player.

    Additionally, I think that out of respect for Robert that we should terminate this discussion. I only mentioned it here because the email address he gave me was rejected by the MS smtp server.

    My comments are not part of my GPL code base, they are my artistic work, and they are now copyrighted and being shown with no license agreement on their website. That is my objection, and I will take it up in the proper forum now, which is not the MS channel9 website, nor this blog.

  • Chris

    Additionally Paul, can you imagine how much all those missing posts are worth to somebody browsing through the forum without them?

    A cataloged PDF with a “fill in the blank” system, would be invaluable. The user Beer28 had a LOT of posts.
    With our new copyright on the Beer28 posts I plan to publish this e-book and sell it many times over with exclusive privilage on publication.

    Now lets take this to email if there is anything further you would like to write to me please.

  • Chris

    Additionally Paul, can you imagine how much all those missing posts are worth to somebody browsing through the forum without them?

    A cataloged PDF with a “fill in the blank” system, would be invaluable. The user Beer28 had a LOT of posts.
    With our new copyright on the Beer28 posts I plan to publish this e-book and sell it many times over with exclusive privilage on publication.

    Now lets take this to email if there is anything further you would like to write to me please.

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    Crossposted from http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=177138#177138 , here is an excerpt from the C9 TOS:
    [...] you understand and agree that you’re giving a license under your intellectual property rights to all authorized users, including the rights to download, copy, modify, distribute and repost. In addition, you’re giving Microsoft all the necessary rights to make your Submission(s) available on this site [...]

    No compensation will be paid with respect to the use of your Submission, as provided herein. [...]

    By Posting a Submission you warrant and represent that you own or otherwise control all of the rights to your Submission as described in these Terms of Use including, without limitation, all the rights necessary for you to provide, post, upload, input or submit the Submissions. [...]

    NOTICES AND PROCEDURE FOR MAKING CLAIMS OF COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT. Pursuant to Title 17, United States Code, Section 512(c)(2), notifications of claimed copyright infringement should be sent to Service Provider’s Designated Agent. ALL INQUIRIES NOT RELEVANT TO THE FOLLOWING PROCEDURE WILL NOT RECEIVE A RESPONSE. See Notice and Procedure for Making Claims of Copyright Infringement. [...]

    COPYRIGHT NOTICE. Copyright © 2002 Microsoft Corporation, One Microsoft Way, Redmond, Washington 98052-6399 U.S.A. All rights reserved.

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