Web Standards Project opens up, rock out

by on March 17, 2006

I gotta get a few posts in today cause something really great happened at SXSW and I need to get it off my mind.

Last year after SXSW I whined that the Web Standards Project wasn’t inclusive and had a secret agenda. To its credit, they listened and this year they opened up the Web Standards Project to all and had a public meeting.

That made this group far more powerful than it ever would have been if it had remained a closed group. Already we met several new members who are working on various things like accessibility and getting educators up to date on the latest Web standards (one person in the audience shared that her school was still teaching table-based Web design).

Of course, now that puts the challenge in my court. I have to get more involved now cause I spoke up — there’s now a Microsoft task force that I’ll lend my support to as we push more standards support into IE and other services and tools. Does your site validate with the http://validator.w3.org/ ? Not all of ours do and that’s a shame, but I’m proud to see that http://search.msn.com validates as XHTML 1.0 strict. Put our big-name competitors into the validator and you’ll see that we’re ahead here.

That calls for a little music. Over on the valid On10.net you’ll find a band that we found on MySpace. Jeff calls this “Free for all Fridays.” We’re looking for more musicians and DJs who use technology in their work. Heck, we’re looking for enthusiasts of all types who use technology. Are you an educator who uses tech in the classroom? A plumber who uses computers in a unique way? Do you use one of those new digital sewing machines? Or a computer-driven telescope? Calling all Phillip Torrone wannabees! :-)

Oh, heck, since I’m here anyway, check out the SuperTour. Sorta like Virtual Earth meets Second Life meets tour guide. You might need to install a plugin from Adobe. Heheh, that reminds me, at SXSW they were calling Adobe “Adobia” since they now have acquired Macromedia.

On the topic of Web design, here’s another group of employees who work on the Windows Server Community Team who’ve started a blog called the Working Network. Tagline “better living through RSS.” Love that! Their blog is one of the better new ones I’ve seen lately. They are doing it to help people do business blogging, among other things.

I love this new world. Steve Sloan brings me one of my former professors who talks about Knight Ridder being sold and its impact on journalism. That takes continuing education to a whole new level. It’s like being back at San Jose State all over again. (Knight Ridder’s headquarters is a few blocks from SJSU, so the impact is fairly big there).

Talking about podcasts, Michael Arrington announced TalkCrunch the other night.

I’m digging through my email by using a pre-release version of ClearContext 2.0. Final version due out shortly.

One of the things that came through my email is the YWCA TechGirls. This sounds like a great program. Anyone have any experience with it?

I need to get more business cards. I’m totally out. And while it’s OK to be known as the blogger who doesn’t have any business cards, it’s a bit rude. So, Bernie DiKoven’s FunCast on business cards caught my ear. Bernie has made a whole blog out of nothing other than just plain old having fun! I think that’s so cool. The world needs more fun.

Speaking of fun, Blinkx has what it calls “the world’s smallest search engine:” Pico. It puts a row of icons along the top of your browser or email or word processor windows that you can click to get more information. I’m trying it out.

Are you a new parent? Minti is a search engine for finding parenting advice.

And, finally, if you are looking for a job, you might read Jim Stroud’s blog. He works in recruiting here at Microsoft and has a very interesting blog. He says it’s 80% recruiting and 20% the future of the Web (I hate calling it Web 2.0). One fun fact about Jim? He used to work at Google. Who said all good people only leave Microsoft? Hmmm.

Arrrggghhh. I’ve gone and blogged when I was supposed to be catching up on email and stuff. Have a good weekend!

  • I wouldn't be *too* confident regarding MSN Searches standards conformance. Have a look see at http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?ur... for the CSS results.
  • JL
    Wow, that's a LOT of news you had to get off your mind, ha ha...

    Been cheking Jim Stroud's blog... so, where do I send my resume? Oh, wait.. I'm in Perú... hmmm...
  • Jason
    Ok. Way off topic. Am I the only person who reads "Knight Ridder" and think of David Hasselhoff's horrible 1980's TV show?
  • To answer your call for "enthusiasts of all types who use technology", I'll illustrate a personal example -- I am a novelist/blogger/digital filmmaker who cannot be doing what I'm doing now if not for the latest advancement in technology. I've been making video shorts using the rather nifty MS Windows Movie Maker and posting them on Google Video and on my blog. All the above-mentioned tech-enabled creative activities were not possible until fairly recently.

    In fact, I've just posted a 3-minute video on the ultimate scientist/artist, Leonardo da Vinci, using his lesser known paintings and drawings to showcase the talent of that 500-year-old "youngster". Anyone interested in viewing the video can just click on my handle, "Mr. Sun".
  • texcc
    @ Do you want to find a job - Jim Stroud's blog

    One word: usability ...
    That site is so cluttered with pics and ads, it is difficult to read, navigate and find where to post a comment.
    When you do find the comment link, you are bombarded with huge banner ad.

    Finally the site http://www.mgs.jobs requires Flash. Not everyone has the newest, fastest hardware and or software.

    There are still caboodles of folks running Win98 on five year old PCs without bells, whistles, music, multi-media, or flash over 56k dial-up, while NOT listening to music on an iPod, ya know. Still many would consider Win98 on a five year old PC an upgrade.

    Jim's blog is not user friendly to the middle/lower/last class masses. Give us some plain text for the love of the g-d!

    Cheers!
  • Durr
    I could MURDER the entire Internet Explorer team for all the hacks and workarounds I need to get CSS and other standards to work properly in Internet Explorer 5 and 6. It's 5 minutes of coding to every 25 minutes of making sure everything displays properly in those craptastic browsers.

    I'm glad Internet Explorer 7 is a step in the right direction. However, the Internet Explorer team should apologize to every web developer for making their lives miserable this past decade or so.
  • texcc: he hires high end software developers. Most of those types are using the latest OS's and hardware.
  • Durr: I have the same sentiments, but you do realize that it was the IE team that brought CSS to the world in the first place, right?
  • Durr
    "you do realize that it was the IE team that brought CSS to the world in the first place, right?"

    Håkon Wium Lie might have something to say about that, Scobie.
  • Dmad
    @7 yet another myopic, insulated, short sighted viewpoint offered by Scoble. Dude not even every COMPANY is running the latest OS and hardware. But that doesn't mean they don't employ smart people. But, you should know that given all the "companies" you visit, right?
  • It's hard to get out of your system, I use technology to sell technology to small companies
  • Håkon wrote the specification. Microsoft released the first implementation.
  • Dmad: I might be insular. I might be short sighted. But I would NOT hire a developer who didn't have the latest hardware and software. Sorry. We hire DEVELOPERS here. Get that into your head. And if there's someone who claims that they are up on the latest software development methodologies but only is using Windows 98 then they won't get hired here.
  • Hey Robert,

    My band is using Podserve (from Big in Japan) to release our entire new EP for free. We're up to 142 subscribers with minimal word of mouth, so hopefully we can get a blogosphere campaign going this weekend to promote it even more. It's an innovative way of releasing a record, because we're also allowing folks to record their own audio reviews of them album and upload them to the "albumcast".
  • Scoble, talk about elistist ..

    "texcc: he hires high end software developers. Most of those types are using the latest OS’s and hardware."

    does high end always mean highly paid, only those with the home/work access to high end hardware and software nedd apply for an MSofty job?
  • Scoble @ 13

    Sorry, but maybe you should have clarified that"
    we hire developers here with high-end hdwre/software/os ... here at Microsoft ..

    instead of below. Does MS only hire developers?

    "
    And, finally, if you are looking for a job, you might read Jim Stroud’s blog. He works in recruiting here at Microsoft and has a very interesting blog.
    "
  • Durr
    "Håkon wrote the specification. Microsoft released the first implementation."

    Microsoft released the first broken, incomplete implementation. Until Internet Explorer 7, they've been using nothing but a broken implementation. It's a marathon, not a sprint, and you don't get points for stumbling across the starting line.
  • Defending IE by saying they were involved with CSS being brought to the world is like saying Ted Bundy was a nice guy because he once gave a girl some flowers ;) Doesn't change that he went on to murder dozens of people.
  • >Scoble, talk about elistist ..

    Dude. It means we hire the best. And, yes, that IS elitist.
  • texcc
    Mr Scoble
    Regard #7

    The post link said, 'if you are looking for a job'? It was not specific.

    Sorry, I seem to be in the wrong weblog.
  • Re: # 20

    I should just mind my own business. I was not looking at the job link, but your #7 response hit me as flippant, and I hysterically flogged the keyboard.

    Darn I have too many typos, I'll never get a job at MS :)

    Cheers!
  • Re: #3 - Jason, if by "horrible 1980's TV show" you mean "awesome 1980's TV show" then, yes, I think of it every time. "A shadowy flight into the dangerous world of a man who does not exist." PLUS a talking car. What's not to love???
  • There's a little bit nicer page validator that also diagnoses CSS problems.

    Try http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html
  • No, the IE team did release a browser with, at the time, excellent standards support.

    Beat every other browser out there.

    oh...wait, that was IE 5 *Mac*. Yeah, the beer was flowing freely in Cali that night, and it was a hell of a browser when it came out.

    Kicked WinIE's ass like it was an ass - kicking machine. That part was especially satisfying.

    See, you can get standards support from Microsoft...just not in the obvious places :-P
  • Dmad
    @13. You can't even get out of your own way. MS does not hire ONLY developers. In fact you interviewed a non developer today. Hell, they hired YOU didn't they. I rather doubt you needed high end hardware to qualify for your job. I mean, you don't even use high end AV equipment. The point is, MS supposed hires SMART people that have the capacity to do the job. I rather doubt "what sort of hardware do you use" ever comes up in an interview question. That's probably why you AREN'T responsible for hiring developers. If I'm hiring a developer I look for someone that knows how to solve problems and has he capacity to learn. I can teach him how to code, but I can't teach him how to think and solve big problems. Just because someone has the latest nifty-neato hardware doesn't mean that person knows how to think and solve problems. But, good luck getting your hardware standard as a job requirement for being a developer. I'd bet Stoudt doesn't really care what his potential candidates have for hardware.

    And from what I can tell by the way recruting is going, it seems Google is now hiring the best.
  • Oh well, I'm affraid there are still many schools that teach table based layouts...
  • sam
    Speaking of IE, I just saw this parody over on /. and thought fellow Monty Python fans might appreciate it:


    User: I wish to make a complaint!

    Ballmer: (hurriedly) Sorry, we're about to ship Vista.

    User: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this web browser, what
    came bundled not five years ago from this very operating system.

    Ballmer: Oh yes, IE, ah, version 6. What's, ah... W-what's wrong with it?

    User: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. It's dead, that's what's
    wrong with it.

    Ballmer: No, no, It's ah... it's undergoing a security upgrade.

    User: Look, matey, I know a dead browser when I see one, and I'm looking at
    one right now.

    Ballmer: No no, i-it's not dead, it's... getting its user interface upgraded!

    User: User interface?

    Ballmer: Y-yeah, the UI. Upgradin'. Remarkable browser, IE, isn't it, eh?
    Beautiful layouts!

    User: The layout-complete build don't enter into it. It's stone dead!

    Ballmer: Nononono, no, no! 'E's bein' upgraded!

    User: All right then, if he's bein' upgraded, I'll run 'im!
    (starts typing)
    IEXPLORE.EXE! C:\MYDOCU~1\HELLO.JPG
    Looky looky looky! Happily rendering the Goatse Guy! Hey, IE, I've got lots of
    lovely RAM for you if you're running, Mr. Internet Explorer!)
    (pounds keyboard)

    Ballmer: There, the page refreshed!

    User: No, he didn't, that was you clicking reload!

    Ballmer: I never!!

    User: Yes, you did!

    Ballmer: I never, never....
    (pounding Ctrl-Alt-Del on the keyboard again)

    User: HELLO, WORLD! HELLO TASK MANAGER! PLEASE WAKE UP!
    Now that's what I call a dead browser.

    Ballmer: No, no.... No, it's just running a signed ActiveX Control in the
    background.

    User: A ACTIVEX CONTROL!?!?

    Ballmer: Yeah! You invoked an ActiveX control, just as it was wakin' up!
    Believe me, IE runs those easily, major!

    User: Look my lad, I've had just about enough of this. That browser is
    definitely deceased, and when I booted its PC up after buyin' it not half an
    hour ago, you assured me that the PC's total lack of computational power was
    due to it being tired and shagged out after a prolonged virus scan.

    Ballmer: Well, he's... it's, ah... probably needin' activation and
    authorization with Windows Genuine Advantage.

    User: WINDOWS Genuine ADVANTAGE?!? What kind of talk is that? Look, why did
    the OS crash flat on its back the moment I plugged it into the router?

    Ballmer: The Norwegian Bluescreen prefers kippin' on its back! Remarkable UI,
    though, isn't it, guv, eh? Lovely layout-complete screenshots!

    User: (coldly) Look, I took the liberty of examining that browser cache when I
    got it home, and I discovered the only reason that the PC had anything to run
    on its hard drive in the first place was that it had been bundled in there
    along with the spyware and the DRM.

    Ballmer: Well, of course it has DRM there! If I hadn't bundled that browser
    and nailed everything down with DRM, all the content would have nuzzled up to
    those wires at the back, bent 'em apart with its little bits, and VOOM!

    User: "VOOM?" Look matey, this browser wouldn't "voom" if you put four
    thousand kilobytes of W3C standards through it! It's bleedin' demised!

    Ballmer: It's not! I-It's just authenticating!

    User: It's not authenticatin,' it's passed on! This browser is no more! It has
    ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! This is a late
    software release! It's a stiff! Bereft of RAM, it rests in peace! If you
    hadn't nailed it to the system with DRM and your monopoly it'd be pushing up
    the daisies! Its spawned processes are of interest only to historians! It's
    hopped the twig! It's shuffled off this mortal coil! It's run down the
    curtain and joined the choir invisible! This.... is an INACTIVE X!

    Ballmer: Well, I'd better upgrade it, then.

    (I'll stop it now. It's silly.)
  • I was the lead developer on the previous version of the Microsoft Vista website. We handed over XHTML 1.0 strict pages with CSS for layout, unfortunately once the pages were dropped into the Microsoft publishing system all the nice and valid pages no longer passed the test. It was still a step forward though and it's nice to see Microsoft making an effort!
  • We're very excited about getting our TechGryls program started at our Harris YWCA (on Chicago's south side) in fall '06. We have rec'd grants from several partners to fund the start up of our program there and hope that additional funding can be found so that we can export the program to several of our centers throughout Metropolitan Chicago. The TechGryls program is a great way for adolescent girls to learn--and get excited about--technology and robotics. The long-term impact of the program is to encourage more young women to seek careers in technology fields. And since a portion of the curriculum includes field trips and relationship-building with technology companies, it's also a great way to introduce participants to corporations on the cutting-edge of technology where future employment opportunities may await these young women.
  • Dmad
    @31 That souunds like a great program. Although it seems that according to Scoble the majority of your funding should be spent on the latest hardware, not training or education...otherwise the young women have no hope.
  • "Heck, we’re looking for enthusiasts of all types who use technology. Are you an educator who uses tech in the classroom? A plumber who uses computers in a unique way? Do you use one of those new digital sewing machines? Or a computer-driven telescope? Calling all Phillip Torrone wannabees!"

    ...but only if you use Microsoft technologies and products to do it, right?!
  • word
  • Nate: no. If you notice I write about a lot of things that run on Linux or Macs here. Like Second Life. Or, even the blog software that runs my blog. You do realize it runs on Linux, don't you?
  • Robert,

    Thanks for giving Minti a plug in your blog, it's much appreciated!

    As you know we launched just over a week ago and due to exposure through the blogoshere we already have great advice being posted from everyday parents around the world. Parents are just loving it - which is exactly what we had hoped.

    -- Clay Cook
  • Doug
    Hi,

    The link to Supertour should be supertour.com not makezine.com

    Doug Winfield
  • Jim also contributes to Jobsblog
    http://blogs.msdn.com/jobsblog/archive/category...
    :-)
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