Rewrite of Windows Vista underway? Hogwash!

I can’t believe that headlines get written like this. Totally 100% false. Provably so. I totally agree with Alec Saunders. Can the journalist and editor who wrote this do some homework please?

Update: I just talked with Frank Shaw, vice president at Waggener Edstrom (Microsoft’s main PR company), he says this article is absolutely not true. Frank knows more people inside Microsoft than anyone else I know (he hangs out with all the execs). There aren’t any Xbox developers moving to Windows, he tells me (verified from other people I know inside Microsoft too).

More on this story is on Memeorandum.

Comments

  1. Especially when he talks about the “highly succesful Xbox team” which isn’t profitable yet. (I kid! I kid!) Hopefully you can give us more thoughts on the Vista delay/Microsoft Reorg Robert.

  2. Especially when he talks about the “highly succesful Xbox team” which isn’t profitable yet. (I kid! I kid!) Hopefully you can give us more thoughts on the Vista delay/Microsoft Reorg Robert.

  3. Coming from the mouthpiece for the company who gave false dates for Windows Vista, this is pretty ironic.

    Haven’t you heard, let your yes be yes and your no be no.

    And may 2006 mean 2006, oh you in a house of glass Windows!

  4. Coming from the mouthpiece for the company who gave false dates for Windows Vista, this is pretty ironic.

    Haven’t you heard, let your yes be yes and your no be no.

    And may 2006 mean 2006, oh you in a house of glass Windows!

  5. Robert McLaws mentioned this as well today over at LonghornBlogs.

    Its just silly to think Microsoft would do a 60% code re-write just before Beta 2 hits when they are also suppose to RTM Vista sometime in the fall.

    Personally, this kind of thing always appears when Microsoft announces something folks don’t want to hear like a delay. What I don’t get is Microsoft is getting more feedback with Vista than with any other Windows release – feedback that may have played a part in the delay – why is this a bad thing? Microsoft is listening to us finally by wanting to take in our feedback. For me, if taking in my feedback means a bit of a delay and more stable OS, I’m all for it.

  6. Solomonrex: I’ve been very careful to stay away from dates. I did give some hints in 2003 when I first started at Microsoft but I apologized for being wrong.

    The idea that we are gonna rewrite 60% of Windows in a few months is just hogwash. If we could do that we’d already have shipped.

  7. Robert McLaws mentioned this as well today over at LonghornBlogs.

    Its just silly to think Microsoft would do a 60% code re-write just before Beta 2 hits when they are also suppose to RTM Vista sometime in the fall.

    Personally, this kind of thing always appears when Microsoft announces something folks don’t want to hear like a delay. What I don’t get is Microsoft is getting more feedback with Vista than with any other Windows release – feedback that may have played a part in the delay – why is this a bad thing? Microsoft is listening to us finally by wanting to take in our feedback. For me, if taking in my feedback means a bit of a delay and more stable OS, I’m all for it.

  8. Solomonrex: I’ve been very careful to stay away from dates. I did give some hints in 2003 when I first started at Microsoft but I apologized for being wrong.

    The idea that we are gonna rewrite 60% of Windows in a few months is just hogwash. If we could do that we’d already have shipped.

  9. I totally agree that 60% is utter hogwash and anyone with basic knowledge of this development process (presumably ‘smarthouses’ target audience) should understand this. So I’m saying it’s beneath you, really.

    You should be comfortable that you don’t need to acknowledge this idiot and just move on. And don’t be surprised at some hysteria and conspiracy theories.

  10. I totally agree that 60% is utter hogwash and anyone with basic knowledge of this development process (presumably ‘smarthouses’ target audience) should understand this. So I’m saying it’s beneath you, really.

    You should be comfortable that you don’t need to acknowledge this idiot and just move on. And don’t be surprised at some hysteria and conspiracy theories.

  11. Miles: cause to do a major rewrite would definitely break everything (and, you’d see such a rewrite underway in all the binaries — all the binaries would change size and signatures and the Neowin folks would be going nuts right now if that were the case).

  12. Miles: cause to do a major rewrite would definitely break everything (and, you’d see such a rewrite underway in all the binaries — all the binaries would change size and signatures and the Neowin folks would be going nuts right now if that were the case).

  13. Robert, you might want to reword “I totally agree with Alec Saunders” when his blog entry you referenced contains things like:

    “But you know, at this point I’ve been unable to succesfully install and use any version of the Windows Vista CTPs, or IE 7. If Vista was really six months away from shipping, it would be a lot more finished, the way that any of those previous versions of Windows were at this stage. Anybody who had tried Vista would have been able to come to the same conclusion I did.”

    This is especially true, given how you’ve promoted Vista’s features (over XP) to the extent that you have. Is XP that bad?

    With that said, I think the 60% quote is pretty ridiculous, given the 6-month timeframe. On the other hand, the timeframe’s we’ve been given in the past, in retrospect, seem pretty ridiculous, Alex’s post seems to point this out (and it sounds like you may agree).

    It would be really great to see MS underpromise and overdeliver, instead of the other way around. Has that happened, with any MS product (schedule OR features), and I missed it? XP? SQL Server? MSN? Origami?

    The closest I can find is the IE7 beta, which brought with it such horrible misbehavior in Outlook Express that I promptly uninstalled it. As others have suggested, it might be nice to see Apple/Linux perform better in the marketplace, simply because MS always seems to respond best when pushed by a serious competitor.

    At the moment, you have no serious competitor (economically speaking) in the OS space, and the results speak for themselves. You compete only against yourself, and as others have observed, if you push the ship date back 6-12 months… nothing (signficantly) negative happens to your company.

    Oh… to have a business model where this is possible.

    Tim

  14. Robert, you might want to reword “I totally agree with Alec Saunders” when his blog entry you referenced contains things like:

    “But you know, at this point I’ve been unable to succesfully install and use any version of the Windows Vista CTPs, or IE 7. If Vista was really six months away from shipping, it would be a lot more finished, the way that any of those previous versions of Windows were at this stage. Anybody who had tried Vista would have been able to come to the same conclusion I did.”

    This is especially true, given how you’ve promoted Vista’s features (over XP) to the extent that you have. Is XP that bad?

    With that said, I think the 60% quote is pretty ridiculous, given the 6-month timeframe. On the other hand, the timeframe’s we’ve been given in the past, in retrospect, seem pretty ridiculous, Alex’s post seems to point this out (and it sounds like you may agree).

    It would be really great to see MS underpromise and overdeliver, instead of the other way around. Has that happened, with any MS product (schedule OR features), and I missed it? XP? SQL Server? MSN? Origami?

    The closest I can find is the IE7 beta, which brought with it such horrible misbehavior in Outlook Express that I promptly uninstalled it. As others have suggested, it might be nice to see Apple/Linux perform better in the marketplace, simply because MS always seems to respond best when pushed by a serious competitor.

    At the moment, you have no serious competitor (economically speaking) in the OS space, and the results speak for themselves. You compete only against yourself, and as others have observed, if you push the ship date back 6-12 months… nothing (signficantly) negative happens to your company.

    Oh… to have a business model where this is possible.

    Tim

  15. 60% of Windows Vista code to be rewritten – Hmmm …

    Smarthouse  is running a story that 60% of the Windows Vista code is going to need to be rewritted to fix a load of problems.
    Hmmm, I’ve read the story over a few times over and I just don’t believe it.  Either the people behind…

  16. timthefoolman: Vista is in a state where things won’t work. To be expected. I can’t get my sound card to work. When Creative checks in their drivers it’ll start working again.

  17. timthefoolman: Vista is in a state where things won’t work. To be expected. I can’t get my sound card to work. When Creative checks in their drivers it’ll start working again.

  18. [...] Blogs have revolutionized news, we hear. Maybe they have, but sometimes they turn out to be nothing more than instant rumor spreaders. A story popped up today about Microsoft having to rewrite 60% of the Vista code, which was promptly picked up by everyone and their blogging mom. That they needed to move XBOX programmers to Vista to get things under control. Turns out, that’s ridiculous, according to people in the know. [...]

  19. Solomonrex -

    I think most of us were ignoring that story as you suggested until it got picked up by The Inquirer and posted on dozens of news sites with absolutely zero basis in fact.

  20. Solomonrex -

    I think most of us were ignoring that story as you suggested until it got picked up by The Inquirer and posted on dozens of news sites with absolutely zero basis in fact.

  21. [...] Robert Scoble, der als technischer „Evangelist“ bei Microsoft arbeitet, entkräftet den Artikel auf seinem Blog. Er habe mit dem Vizepräsidenten des Analysten Waggener Edstrom gesprochen, der den Einsatz von Xbox-Entwicklern im Vista-Team bestreitet. Auch Scobles Rückfragen bei Entwickler-Kollegen hätten eine negative Antwort ergeben. So schließt er sich dann auch der Meinung des ehemaligen Microsoft-Mitarbeiters Alec Saunders an: Der Artikel sei zu 100% falsch. [...]

  22. [...] I didn’t believe it, but this blog was down, and I had no other place to throw my rants.. But now from the depths of Microsoft, we have the word of Robert Scoble that this is nonsense. Shame on the big names in the industry that were so quick to grab this and post it as front page news. There is no XBox team working on Windows, there is no code rewrite, there is no failure.. not yet. [...]

  23. 60% Of Windows Vista Code To Be Rewritten… And More

    Okay, there’s two major info update on Vista circulating around as we speak. First, someone posted of what seem to be a legit info on the next Vista build release. Possibly an internal build. While build number is not yet known (I predict it woul…

  24. You are so interested in having a “Naked Conversation” when a journalist screws up but when it comes to your company missing Vista’s ship date, you magically go dark and claim to have no insight.

    Somehow I’m sure you won’t dig further into the issue. You are nothing more than a PR schill, plain and simple. This whole Vista episode proves it beyond a doubt.

    This blog has become completely worthless over the last 3 months. Mini Microsoft goes overboard on the vitriol, but at least a reader can gain some insight.

  25. You are so interested in having a “Naked Conversation” when a journalist screws up but when it comes to your company missing Vista’s ship date, you magically go dark and claim to have no insight.

    Somehow I’m sure you won’t dig further into the issue. You are nothing more than a PR schill, plain and simple. This whole Vista episode proves it beyond a doubt.

    This blog has become completely worthless over the last 3 months. Mini Microsoft goes overboard on the vitriol, but at least a reader can gain some insight.

  26. “There is some truth to the lies and some lies to the truth.”I’d almost be willing to bet that this is something that got blown out of proportion, such as a few XBox programmers going and assisting on part of the media functions. A 60% rewrite, at this point, would require more time than MS has given themselves, and while they’ve made similar mistakes in the past, this isn’t likely to be one of them. MHO, anyway.

  27. “There is some truth to the lies and some lies to the truth.”I’d almost be willing to bet that this is something that got blown out of proportion, such as a few XBox programmers going and assisting on part of the media functions. A 60% rewrite, at this point, would require more time than MS has given themselves, and while they’ve made similar mistakes in the past, this isn’t likely to be one of them. MHO, anyway.

  28. >You are nothing more than a PR schill, plain and simple.

    You are nothing more than a troll, plain and simple. Are you here looking for answers, or just want to prove how macho you are?

    What else is there to say on the slip? I said it was done for quality reasons. That matches what I’ve heard since then. I haven’t seen any incorrect reporting that I needed to reply to. But today I wake up and see a totally factually incorrect story at the top of Memeorandum.

    I guess you just want to stick up for incorrectness?

    As to Mini-Microsoft, what, exactly are you learning there? I’m learning that there’s a bunch of pissed off people. Surpise, suprise.

    w2ed: I hear there are no Xbox programmers who’ve been moved to Windows. Hope that helps.

  29. >You are nothing more than a PR schill, plain and simple.

    You are nothing more than a troll, plain and simple. Are you here looking for answers, or just want to prove how macho you are?

    What else is there to say on the slip? I said it was done for quality reasons. That matches what I’ve heard since then. I haven’t seen any incorrect reporting that I needed to reply to. But today I wake up and see a totally factually incorrect story at the top of Memeorandum.

    I guess you just want to stick up for incorrectness?

    As to Mini-Microsoft, what, exactly are you learning there? I’m learning that there’s a bunch of pissed off people. Surpise, suprise.

    w2ed: I hear there are no Xbox programmers who’ve been moved to Windows. Hope that helps.

  30. It’s too bad people jump on the reporting bandwagon and assume a story like this is true without doing even basic fact-checking. I guess when the story is “Microsoft screws up again!” it is assumed to be factual based on past experience?

    Robert, if the slip was for quality reasons, then it should be applauded by anyone with a vested interest in Microsoft, whether they are stockholders or end users. The only people who should be upset that Microsoft is giving themselves more time to build a quality product (giving MS the benefit of the doubt) are their competitors.

  31. It’s too bad people jump on the reporting bandwagon and assume a story like this is true without doing even basic fact-checking. I guess when the story is “Microsoft screws up again!” it is assumed to be factual based on past experience?

    Robert, if the slip was for quality reasons, then it should be applauded by anyone with a vested interest in Microsoft, whether they are stockholders or end users. The only people who should be upset that Microsoft is giving themselves more time to build a quality product (giving MS the benefit of the doubt) are their competitors.

  32. No Windows Vista Rewrite

    Some news place in Australia claimed an inside source at Microsoft told them 60% of the existing Windows Vista code would have to be rewritten. This news had the techie bloggers pretty excited today.
    Up to 60% of the code in the new consumer version o…

  33. Yeah, a 60% rewrite was pretty silly for the tech sites to jump on. That’d be a major undertaking even in a small project, let alone an entire operating system.

  34. Yeah, a 60% rewrite was pretty silly for the tech sites to jump on. That’d be a major undertaking even in a small project, let alone an entire operating system.

  35. Interesting that in the original article it said ‘up to 60%’ and I guess even just 1% could count as ‘up to’ 60%. But in the article from the inquirer that referenced the original, they changed it to ‘more than 60%.’ Way to blow things out of proportion alright.

    Btw, I’m Australian and have never heard of that ‘smarthouse’ site before and gotta say it looks pretty dodgy. Have you looked at the other articles they’ve got? I think they’ve been just screaming for attention for a while and finally got it.

  36. Interesting that in the original article it said ‘up to 60%’ and I guess even just 1% could count as ‘up to’ 60%. But in the article from the inquirer that referenced the original, they changed it to ‘more than 60%.’ Way to blow things out of proportion alright.

    Btw, I’m Australian and have never heard of that ‘smarthouse’ site before and gotta say it looks pretty dodgy. Have you looked at the other articles they’ve got? I think they’ve been just screaming for attention for a while and finally got it.

  37. Just noticed the ‘Flame Author’ link at the bottom of the inquirer article :D. Bet that one’s been hit a few times today.

  38. Just noticed the ‘Flame Author’ link at the bottom of the inquirer article :D. Bet that one’s been hit a few times today.

  39. MSN Spaces now (Yuck!) Windows Live Spaces

    Well, another Select >> Right Click >> Rename >> Windows Live-ize (evil!) act by Microsoft and this time it’s a successful product, now called “Windows Live Spaces”. Yeah, you guessed it right, it’s none anothe…

  40. Microsoft’s idea of transparency and “keeping us informed” is to feed the public outright dishonesty and expect the masses to “eat it up”. They sure can dish it out, but heaven forbid somebody gives it back to ‘em.

  41. Microsoft’s idea of transparency and “keeping us informed” is to feed the public outright dishonesty and expect the masses to “eat it up”. They sure can dish it out, but heaven forbid somebody gives it back to ‘em.

  42. Mr Scoble. Surely you realize that anyone within Microsoft you talk to will know that you are effectively the PR department for the company to a certain segment of the customer base.

    You can’t expect to get complete candor in that situation. You’re not really on the inside any more.

    And not to be a snark, but are you really still psyched about the Origami boxes? Cuz if you are, you’re the only one I can think of.

    I appreciate your enthusiasm though.

  43. Mr Scoble. Surely you realize that anyone within Microsoft you talk to will know that you are effectively the PR department for the company to a certain segment of the customer base.

    You can’t expect to get complete candor in that situation. You’re not really on the inside any more.

    And not to be a snark, but are you really still psyched about the Origami boxes? Cuz if you are, you’re the only one I can think of.

    I appreciate your enthusiasm though.

  44. Alex: I am psyched by the Origami boxes. And you are totally not being truthful. The booth at Mix06 with the Origamis was mobbed almost the entire time that the show was on. Obviously there’s a lot of interest in the concept.

    And “not being on the inside?” Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. And, anyway, in a world of anonymity anyone can post here and provide facts to the otherwise. It’s very easy to verify whether an OS is getting rewritten. Talk to Neowin. They tear apart every build of Windows Vista looking for changes in the compiled code.

  45. Alex: I am psyched by the Origami boxes. And you are totally not being truthful. The booth at Mix06 with the Origamis was mobbed almost the entire time that the show was on. Obviously there’s a lot of interest in the concept.

    And “not being on the inside?” Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. And, anyway, in a world of anonymity anyone can post here and provide facts to the otherwise. It’s very easy to verify whether an OS is getting rewritten. Talk to Neowin. They tear apart every build of Windows Vista looking for changes in the compiled code.

  46. bonch: that’s a couched headline if I ever saw one. If the headline that started this post was couched similarly we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

    That’s sorta like the difference between saying:

    Bonch won a million dollars
    Or
    It’s possible that Bonch won a million dollars

  47. bonch: that’s a couched headline if I ever saw one. If the headline that started this post was couched similarly we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

    That’s sorta like the difference between saying:

    Bonch won a million dollars
    Or
    It’s possible that Bonch won a million dollars

  48. One blaring clue to the credibility of the Australian report: not a single other journalist has been able to confirm the report that Windows Vista is undergoing a major rewrite. Journalists are often like sharks: we can smell a drop of blood in the water from miles away. If this report had any confirmability (I think I just invented a word) AP, Reuters and others would have fallen over themselves with original reporting. But there were none — just stories sourcing the single Australian report. Look at the media outlets best connected to this Vista delay story; If MSFT really was rewriting Vista, they would soften the blow by leaking the news to a favorite WSJ reporter, for example. So far, that hasn’t happened.

    Now, just because this Australian report seem to lack credibility, doesn’t mean Vista is in trouble. Already we are hearing the release dates may not be as firm as the pr folks would like you to believe. But this is multiple sourced and has a higher level of credibility.

  49. One blaring clue to the credibility of the Australian report: not a single other journalist has been able to confirm the report that Windows Vista is undergoing a major rewrite. Journalists are often like sharks: we can smell a drop of blood in the water from miles away. If this report had any confirmability (I think I just invented a word) AP, Reuters and others would have fallen over themselves with original reporting. But there were none — just stories sourcing the single Australian report. Look at the media outlets best connected to this Vista delay story; If MSFT really was rewriting Vista, they would soften the blow by leaking the news to a favorite WSJ reporter, for example. So far, that hasn’t happened.

    Now, just because this Australian report seem to lack credibility, doesn’t mean Vista is in trouble. Already we are hearing the release dates may not be as firm as the pr folks would like you to believe. But this is multiple sourced and has a higher level of credibility.

  50. Alex, I have to agree with Robert this time.

    The Microsoft Ultra-Mobile PC booth was busy even when almost all attendees were in sessions. This was the first opportunity I had to see many of the models, although I’ve been pulling information as I could for my Web site devoted to UMPCs.

  51. Alex, I have to agree with Robert this time.

    The Microsoft Ultra-Mobile PC booth was busy even when almost all attendees were in sessions. This was the first opportunity I had to see many of the models, although I’ve been pulling information as I could for my Web site devoted to UMPCs.

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  53. lifetech: >Now, just because this Australian report seem to lack credibility, doesn’t mean Vista is in trouble.

    Vista will be judged by how good it is. Windows 2000 was even later than Vista (I was on the beta) and it went on to be one of the best versions of Windows ever and that’s how it’s remembered.

    I’m using Vista on my Tablet PC now and I like it a lot. I can’t stand using XP anymore, even though Vista is a bit rough on some machines due to lack of driver support.

  54. lifetech: >Now, just because this Australian report seem to lack credibility, doesn’t mean Vista is in trouble.

    Vista will be judged by how good it is. Windows 2000 was even later than Vista (I was on the beta) and it went on to be one of the best versions of Windows ever and that’s how it’s remembered.

    I’m using Vista on my Tablet PC now and I like it a lot. I can’t stand using XP anymore, even though Vista is a bit rough on some machines due to lack of driver support.

  55. I notice that the guy said 60% would “have to be” rewritten. He didn’t say 60% WOULD be rewrittten.

    Basically, it’s another way of saying that the project has failed. You’ll ship SP4 and call it “vista”, and you’ll probably fool a lot people, but we know how throughly the Evil Empire screwed the pooch on this one.

    “Windows 2000 was even later than Vista”

    Nope. Longwind is six years late, and that doesn’t change just because you admitted it last year and announced a new, later ship date.

  56. I notice that the guy said 60% would “have to be” rewritten. He didn’t say 60% WOULD be rewrittten.

    Basically, it’s another way of saying that the project has failed. You’ll ship SP4 and call it “vista”, and you’ll probably fool a lot people, but we know how throughly the Evil Empire screwed the pooch on this one.

    “Windows 2000 was even later than Vista”

    Nope. Longwind is six years late, and that doesn’t change just because you admitted it last year and announced a new, later ship date.

  57. J. Random. Lying isn’t gonna make you any better. I joined Microsoft before Longhorn was ever going to be released. That was three years ago.

    Saying “have to be” is totally false too. Vista is running just fine on my Tablet PC. If that much code needed to be rewritten then my machine wouldn’t even work.

    This is far more than a new service pack. A service pack doesn’t have a new networking stack. It doesn’t have new UI. It doesn’t have a new audio stack. It doesn’t have sizeable kernel changes.

    You know what? I think you all are being paid by a competitor just to try to cause crap in my comments. That’s OK. You’re not trustworthy NOR are you credible. Have a nice evening.

  58. J. Random. Lying isn’t gonna make you any better. I joined Microsoft before Longhorn was ever going to be released. That was three years ago.

    Saying “have to be” is totally false too. Vista is running just fine on my Tablet PC. If that much code needed to be rewritten then my machine wouldn’t even work.

    This is far more than a new service pack. A service pack doesn’t have a new networking stack. It doesn’t have new UI. It doesn’t have a new audio stack. It doesn’t have sizeable kernel changes.

    You know what? I think you all are being paid by a competitor just to try to cause crap in my comments. That’s OK. You’re not trustworthy NOR are you credible. Have a nice evening.

  59. Scoble, glad to see you’re taking the initative on publicly rebuffing this story.

    This story just has no basis in fact, as soon as I saw it I ran it through several people before writing what I did on BetaNews. I don’t have the source list that some people may have inside Microsoft, but those I talked to who do say this is just impossible by the amount of work it would take to rewrite that code.

    It’s a shame more outlets in the tech media aren’t calling this out for the BS that it is. To those who are coming on here and just spewing the anti-Microsoft line… before you do, think of what you’re saying. What SmartHouse is saying is fact could not possibly true. It’s taken 5 years to get the code right for Vista.. rewrite 60 percent of it.. and Vista wouldn’t be out until 2008, if not later.

  60. Scoble, glad to see you’re taking the initative on publicly rebuffing this story.

    This story just has no basis in fact, as soon as I saw it I ran it through several people before writing what I did on BetaNews. I don’t have the source list that some people may have inside Microsoft, but those I talked to who do say this is just impossible by the amount of work it would take to rewrite that code.

    It’s a shame more outlets in the tech media aren’t calling this out for the BS that it is. To those who are coming on here and just spewing the anti-Microsoft line… before you do, think of what you’re saying. What SmartHouse is saying is fact could not possibly true. It’s taken 5 years to get the code right for Vista.. rewrite 60 percent of it.. and Vista wouldn’t be out until 2008, if not later.

  61. It’s surely no surprise that these false reports were published while Mix06 was going on. These dodgy journos would have realised that most influential bloggers and anyone likely to dispell these myths were busy away at Mix06. That gave them more of a chance ot get these rumours out there before they were trounced on.

  62. It’s surely no surprise that these false reports were published while Mix06 was going on. These dodgy journos would have realised that most influential bloggers and anyone likely to dispell these myths were busy away at Mix06. That gave them more of a chance ot get these rumours out there before they were trounced on.

  63. [...] According to Robert Scoble, it’s not: Rewrite of Windows Vista underway? Hogwash! I can’t believe that headlines get written like this. Totally 100% false. Provably so. I totally agree with Alec Saunders. Can the journalist and editor who wrote this do some homework please? [...]

  64. Update: I just talked with Frank Shaw, vice president at Waggener Edstrom (Microsoft’s main PR company), he says this article is absolutely not true.

    What’s less credible than a journalist? A PR flack!

    Mr Raymond Vardanega, the Marketing Director, of Acer Australia has confirmed independently of SmartHouse Magazine that Microsoft is having major problems with its Vista operating system. He said “The decision to delay Vista into the consumer market will have an impact on hardware sales particularly in the Media Centre market. We have been told that Microsoft has bought in programmers from the Xbox team to work on the problems. We have also been told that up to 60% of the code will have some form of re writing or changes made. We are told that Microsoft is concerned at the impact that the delay will have on hardware manufacturers. We have raised our concerns directly with Microsoft”.

    http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Computing/Software?Article=/Computing/Software/S8Q8K2Q6

  65. Update: I just talked with Frank Shaw, vice president at Waggener Edstrom (Microsoft’s main PR company), he says this article is absolutely not true.

    What’s less credible than a journalist? A PR flack!

    Mr Raymond Vardanega, the Marketing Director, of Acer Australia has confirmed independently of SmartHouse Magazine that Microsoft is having major problems with its Vista operating system. He said “The decision to delay Vista into the consumer market will have an impact on hardware sales particularly in the Media Centre market. We have been told that Microsoft has bought in programmers from the Xbox team to work on the problems. We have also been told that up to 60% of the code will have some form of re writing or changes made. We are told that Microsoft is concerned at the impact that the delay will have on hardware manufacturers. We have raised our concerns directly with Microsoft”.

    http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Computing/Software?Article=/Computing/Software/S8Q8K2Q6

  66. [...] Few days ago I mentioned the debacle of Vista slipping yet again. Then this story hits the blogosphere. It pissed off quite a few folks and the truth is the story is pretty lame. If Microsoft had to re-write 60% of Vista it would take far longer than the few weeks slip they announced. Either the original writer got it very very wrong or the mother of all death marches is happening up in Redmond. [...]

  67. Wow! All journalists should be perfect!
    If only the same standard were held to doctors… and presidents…

    > Sidebar: this is irresponsible journalism. The journalist who wrote this should
    > be fired. Plain up.
    >
    > Comment by scobleizer

  68. Wow! All journalists should be perfect!
    If only the same standard were held to doctors… and presidents…

    > Sidebar: this is irresponsible journalism. The journalist who wrote this should
    > be fired. Plain up.
    >
    > Comment by scobleizer

  69. Robert, the line should have read “…doesN’T mean Vista is in trouble…”

    doodoo, this Australian report which loosed a whirlwind was not journalism as I define it. No second sourcing, no attempt to get a MSFT exec, or even a PR flak, on the record.

    The Wash Post, back in the days, spent a few sleepless nights because woodstein’s scoops weren’t being followed by the NYT or anyone else. I’m certainly not comparing this Australian bunch with the Wash Post, but there is some comfort in moving within a pack. If next week this rumor remains unconfirmed by any other news organization, we can safely put this “story” to rest.

    Let’s not take rumor-mongering and pass it off as journalism. We have enough problems maintaining a level of public credibility.

  70. Robert, the line should have read “…doesN’T mean Vista is in trouble…”

    doodoo, this Australian report which loosed a whirlwind was not journalism as I define it. No second sourcing, no attempt to get a MSFT exec, or even a PR flak, on the record.

    The Wash Post, back in the days, spent a few sleepless nights because woodstein’s scoops weren’t being followed by the NYT or anyone else. I’m certainly not comparing this Australian bunch with the Wash Post, but there is some comfort in moving within a pack. If next week this rumor remains unconfirmed by any other news organization, we can safely put this “story” to rest.

    Let’s not take rumor-mongering and pass it off as journalism. We have enough problems maintaining a level of public credibility.

  71. After some research, I see SmartHouse has had some other un-sourced stories originally pooh-poohed. A couple years back, they broke the story of Apple moving to the Intel platform and just recently they published a Taiwan hardware company saying an iPhone is upcoming. This could be another — I’d just feel more comfortable if someone else picked up on the story. We’ll just have to see next week.

  72. After some research, I see SmartHouse has had some other un-sourced stories originally pooh-poohed. A couple years back, they broke the story of Apple moving to the Intel platform and just recently they published a Taiwan hardware company saying an iPhone is upcoming. This could be another — I’d just feel more comfortable if someone else picked up on the story. We’ll just have to see next week.

  73. [...] He says that a denial by Robert Scoble, Microsoft’s official unofficial spokesman for the blogophere, is not good enough. I tend to agree, in part because Scoble himself is quoting a source outside of Microsoft — Frank Shaw, vice president of the software giant’s PR firm, Waggener Edstrom. (So who exactly is writing the code and running this company, you might well wonder?) [...]

  74. [...] Blog Highlights Sql Server Query Optimizer Team Blog announced Shared Source Common Language Infrastructure 2.0 Release Ridiculous Speculation about state of Windows Vista Continues Write Xbox 360 Games in C# Atlas Dice Demo from Mix06 Good Read on Compliance for Developers Interesting Read on value of Open Source Data Paging and Sorting Tips from Scott Guthrie Yahoo Gadget Demo from Mix06 Atlas March CTP (with Go Live License) Jaxon Rice is providing 50 days of Community Server tips Published Friday, March 24, 2006 10:27 PM by jeff.barnes Filed Under: .NET, Misc Technical [...]

  75. doodoo: doctors get sued all the time for malpractice. Politicians need to run again every four years. They are held to a much higher standard than this guy over in Australia is.

  76. doodoo: doctors get sued all the time for malpractice. Politicians need to run again every four years. They are held to a much higher standard than this guy over in Australia is.

  77. Sorry Scoble, but I can’t believe that you can’t believe such headlines get written. How bad does the Vista delay debacle have to get before you accept that almost any bad news story on Vista development becomes credible. For me, we are already beyond that point.

    I’m not really too bothered one way or another on this story, but if the best Scoble can do to refute is to refer to an individual who:

    A. Is a PR operative, and
    B. Doesn’t actually work inside MS

    ..the it’s Scoble whom I can’t believe!

  78. Sorry Scoble, but I can’t believe that you can’t believe such headlines get written. How bad does the Vista delay debacle have to get before you accept that almost any bad news story on Vista development becomes credible. For me, we are already beyond that point.

    I’m not really too bothered one way or another on this story, but if the best Scoble can do to refute is to refer to an individual who:

    A. Is a PR operative, and
    B. Doesn’t actually work inside MS

    ..the it’s Scoble whom I can’t believe!

  79. Vista getting 60% code rewrite?

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    We’re not sure how much we trust the "Microsoft insider" that apparently spoke to Australia’s Smarthome News, but the site claims that the source told them …

  80. [...] 16:10 Microsoft and employee bloggers: the delay in the launch of Windows Vista, allegations of code rewrites, blogger denials, weekend blog discussions, and the regulatory and financial framework – are Microsoft employee bloggers official spokepeople? They may have credibility but do they speak with authority on behalf of the company to represent official views? And how ready is blogging to assume a primary role in organizational communication? [...]

  81. I believe this to be false, yet true.

    They may not be moving Xbox programmers to move over to the Window’s team, but, do they not need someone to program the 360′s Media Center upgrade which is currently not included in the CTP?

    Sure, 60% of code may not need to be re-written, but, isn’t it said that alot of code is ‘tweaked’?

    Looking over all the feedback on Microsoft’s beta site, I notice there are alot of small things here and there. A spelling error here, duplicate icons there, MSN not rendering right in IE7 (that was an OLD problem, which is resolved). But, I can see where this idea of a large amount of code being changed stems from. But, I do not see it at 60%, that is just outright stupid.

    For the installation of the CTP as one person mentioned, are you using Staged (sysprep’d) builds or unstaged? If you are using a Staged build, there could be problems. Try using the unstaged, which are slower, but are bound to work better.

  82. I believe this to be false, yet true.

    They may not be moving Xbox programmers to move over to the Window’s team, but, do they not need someone to program the 360′s Media Center upgrade which is currently not included in the CTP?

    Sure, 60% of code may not need to be re-written, but, isn’t it said that alot of code is ‘tweaked’?

    Looking over all the feedback on Microsoft’s beta site, I notice there are alot of small things here and there. A spelling error here, duplicate icons there, MSN not rendering right in IE7 (that was an OLD problem, which is resolved). But, I can see where this idea of a large amount of code being changed stems from. But, I do not see it at 60%, that is just outright stupid.

    For the installation of the CTP as one person mentioned, are you using Staged (sysprep’d) builds or unstaged? If you are using a Staged build, there could be problems. Try using the unstaged, which are slower, but are bound to work better.

  83. Numbskulls, there is no way any company could rewrite that much code. The story is bogus.
    On another note… my town needs to fix a pothole on main street before the parade this weekend. In response the town said that the state is going to re-pave every road in the state tonight and be done before the parade starts tomorrow.

  84. Numbskulls, there is no way any company could rewrite that much code. The story is bogus.
    On another note… my town needs to fix a pothole on main street before the parade this weekend. In response the town said that the state is going to re-pave every road in the state tonight and be done before the parade starts tomorrow.

  85. [...] Because of my normal concerns with Microsoft Beta products, I asked Rick to lend me his old harddrive to give Windows Vista a test and catch up to see what the hype (or lack of) was all about. Within my quick tour of the next Windows generation, I began to understand a little why Microsoft had to delay Vista. The news of which aroused tension amongst Microsoft employees. People began speculating that at least 60% of the Vista code had to be re-written. Microsoft stated those rumors to be “absolutely not true” and that they are on schedule with their new release date of January 2007. Installing this build of Windows Vista took about an hour and a half. After the install, however, I could not access the desktop as the OS insisted that I activate my serial number. The activation failed and upon each fail, it took me back to the login page. After a bit of frustrated searching and trying various other serial numbers, Rick and I gave up and I put my original harddrive back in. Once Rick and Darren left, I began my search to figure out why the OS wouldn’t load. It didn’t make any sense and I was certain that there was some sort of grace period before the activation locked you out. After searching and failing to find a solution, I decided to just try again. I reinstalled the harddrive with Windows Vista and voila, before I knew it, the desktop was loaded. My guess was that it required a full restart for you to bypass the activation page (doh!). Nevertheless, I quickly began to explore around what appeared to be a modified Windows XP. Unfortunately, my ATi graphics card did not support Aero, the function that makes Vista look better than XP. Consequently, my experience with Vista wasn’t as spectacular as I expected (seeing as how I was looking forward to see the new interface). Internet Explorer 7 Beta also didn’t hold up to my expectations. The only thing I noticed about it was that it was finally up-to-date with the latest web features such as RSS feeds and tabbed browsing. A lot has been written about Vista along with the creation of many new forums, blogs and websites dedicated to the next Windows. Among those, I found Paul Thurrott’s SuperSite for Windows to provide the most information and the latest updates of Microsoft Vista. His pictures on the latest build and his featured article of where Vista fails puts him on the top of my Windows Vista bookmarks folder. [...]

  86. [...] Para prevenir futuros errores internos en el nuevo sistema se va a reprogramar el 60% del código del Media Centre code. Es decir, uno de los pilares del sistema doméstico de los de Redmond. Ésto ha sido desmentido por Rober Scobleizer de Microsoft. [...]