The New York Times online has a spiffy new redesign and Anil Dash says it is influenced by blogs. Actually, his post is interesting cause it points at a bunch of stuff about the redesign. I also like that the redesign uses the Georgia font, developed by Microsoft. That font was developed for high readability and it sure does help make the NYT look great.
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Actually if you look at it closely you’ll see many similarities in the layout with the Washington Post, which many consider to be one of the better online newspapers (with reporters having blogs, live discussions with reporters and those they write stories on, etc).
Actually if you look at it closely you’ll see many similarities in the layout with the Washington Post, which many consider to be one of the better online newspapers (with reporters having blogs, live discussions with reporters and those they write stories on, etc).
My 5 second review – hate it. Not on its merits (or lack of) but just because it has changed.
My 5 second review – hate it. Not on its merits (or lack of) but just because it has changed.
Khoi Vinh is heavily involved in this. http://www.subtraction.com/archives/2006/0403_the_awesome_.php
Khoi Vinh is heavily involved in this. http://www.subtraction.com/archives/2006/0403_the_awesome_.php
I’m guessing that this will take some time to get used to. That being said, at first glance it now looks like everything else out there. I liked the old style because it was distinctively ‘the Times’ in my opinion.
I’m guessing that this will take some time to get used to. That being said, at first glance it now looks like everything else out there. I liked the old style because it was distinctively ‘the Times’ in my opinion.
At this point, I prefer the old look. But, I imagine that after a few months I will like the new look. I too am certain that my dislike is rooted in the fact that it has changed and, for now, it does not look familiar.
I have gone through similar bouts of hatred over the years whenever cNet changes news.com. It would be interesting to see an old news.com homepage and see how I react to it.
At this point, I prefer the old look. But, I imagine that after a few months I will like the new look. I too am certain that my dislike is rooted in the fact that it has changed and, for now, it does not look familiar.
I have gone through similar bouts of hatred over the years whenever cNet changes news.com. It would be interesting to see an old news.com homepage and see how I react to it.
I can see why it was said that it is based off blogs, but it is too cluttered and busy for my liking.
I can see why it was said that it is based off blogs, but it is too cluttered and busy for my liking.
at least the actual story text is decently wide, so 4 paragraphs aren’t a foot in length.
at least the actual story text is decently wide, so 4 paragraphs aren’t a foot in length.
Eeeeek… Horizontal scrolling most foul…
Eeeeek… Horizontal scrolling most foul…
Also to note, Khoi Vinh, the design director for NYTimes.com has a cool site:http://www.subtraction.com/
Also to note, Khoi Vinh, the design director for NYTimes.com has a cool site:http://www.subtraction.com/
The design doesn’t matter.
The Times content sucks and it is just
old media trying to be hip.
How about redesign from the inside:
Can you say Jayson Blair?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/06/05/nytimes.resigns/
The design doesn’t matter.
The Times content sucks and it is just
old media trying to be hip.
How about redesign from the inside:
Can you say Jayson Blair?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/06/05/nytimes.resigns/
The changes on the NY Times site which I like are actually quite similar to those made recently on the site of sister paper ‘International Herald Tribune’ (www.iht.com).
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The changes on the NY Times site which I like are actually quite similar to those made recently on the site of sister paper ‘International Herald Tribune’ (www.iht.com).
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Hi Robert,
While I would agree that the font is certainly quite readable, I’m not sure if using it was such a great idea. Don’t you think that Georgia it is a bit common? At some point, everyone uses it. Great for Microsoft. Bad for big brands like The New York Times.
They have a strong brand identity, and I must admit that the first time I saw the new design, I thought that it could have been any number of sites.
Other than the masthead, I’m not sure if I still feel the power of the NYT brand. Do you? The new layout and use of a public/common font makes the Times feel like any number of sites: the Wash Post, Herald Tribune, etc. They’re great publications and sites, don’t get me wrong. But the Times is the Times and this new design does not reinforce that. Do you agree?
More here: http://tinyurl.com/qxq2m
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Hi Robert,
While I would agree that the font is certainly quite readable, I’m not sure if using it was such a great idea. Don’t you think that Georgia it is a bit common? At some point, everyone uses it. Great for Microsoft. Bad for big brands like The New York Times.
They have a strong brand identity, and I must admit that the first time I saw the new design, I thought that it could have been any number of sites.
Other than the masthead, I’m not sure if I still feel the power of the NYT brand. Do you? The new layout and use of a public/common font makes the Times feel like any number of sites: the Wash Post, Herald Tribune, etc. They’re great publications and sites, don’t get me wrong. But the Times is the Times and this new design does not reinforce that. Do you agree?
More here: http://tinyurl.com/qxq2m
Feel free to drop by,
~G~
George: the Times is the content. Online I just want a design that helps me get to the content as quickly as possible.
George: the Times is the content. Online I just want a design that helps me get to the content as quickly as possible.
I never really liked Georgia that much. It’s too seriffy. That’s probably not a word.
I never really liked Georgia that much. It’s too seriffy. That’s probably not a word.
Too blog-like, not distinctively “NY Times” anymore. Fonts are too small for headlines and summaries. Links should be underlined, they’re too hard to discern. The navigation is a little better up top, but the content is less readable. Overall it’s worse. Still a good paper, but harder to use now. Looks like the Design-Nazis won over the Users. I miss the old design. Bloggers should stick to designing blogs which have WAY LESS CONTENT and not mess up perfectly good newspapers where the goals and design requirements are quite different.
Too blog-like, not distinctively “NY Times” anymore. Fonts are too small for headlines and summaries. Links should be underlined, they’re too hard to discern. The navigation is a little better up top, but the content is less readable. Overall it’s worse. Still a good paper, but harder to use now. Looks like the Design-Nazis won over the Users. I miss the old design. Bloggers should stick to designing blogs which have WAY LESS CONTENT and not mess up perfectly good newspapers where the goals and design requirements are quite different.
Influenced by blogs??? Puh-leeze. How grandiose can bloggers get? Next thing you know we’ll be told the new Camaro was influenced by blogs.
Influenced by blogs??? Puh-leeze. How grandiose can bloggers get? Next thing you know we’ll be told the new Camaro was influenced by blogs.
Talking of fonts, how does it feel to be found GUILTY, yet again? And how does it feel to be working for a company which just can’t stop doing this? And I bet you’re not going to blog this.
http://www.digg.com/software/Microsoft_found_guilty_of_having_plagiarized_Vista_font_
Talking of fonts, how does it feel to be found GUILTY, yet again? And how does it feel to be working for a company which just can’t stop doing this? And I bet you’re not going to blog this.
http://www.digg.com/software/Microsoft_found_guilty_of_having_plagiarized_Vista_font_
You wrote:
“the Times is the content”
Are you sure, Robert? Top stories on most news sites are often the same. After all, they’re all reporting on the same news. Now that Times Select puts opinion behind a paid wall, what else is there other than their brand to help differentiate them from other news sources?
Along with their excellent content, isn’t one of the the Times biggest strengths their brand?
It’s the brand which lends authority to the news and opinions that are being presented by one place over another. We *trust* news from one place over another because of their credibility, reputation and quality. Those things build the strenght of the brand. This circular relationship is designed to reinforce itself.
Robert, I’m guessing that like a lot of people, I find your blog interesting because of the the quality of your content. However, your association with the Microsoft brand is what lends credibility to what you write. I’d argue that this is especially true for new visitors.
Without your own branding efforts – you don’t use the tag “Microsoft Geek Blogger” for nothing, right? – dare I suggest that not only far fewer people would know about your blog in the first place, but those who did might not give such a degree of credibility to your content.
A world-class brand with world-class content deserves a world class design … and better font.
~G~
You wrote:
“the Times is the content”
Are you sure, Robert? Top stories on most news sites are often the same. After all, they’re all reporting on the same news. Now that Times Select puts opinion behind a paid wall, what else is there other than their brand to help differentiate them from other news sources?
Along with their excellent content, isn’t one of the the Times biggest strengths their brand?
It’s the brand which lends authority to the news and opinions that are being presented by one place over another. We *trust* news from one place over another because of their credibility, reputation and quality. Those things build the strenght of the brand. This circular relationship is designed to reinforce itself.
Robert, I’m guessing that like a lot of people, I find your blog interesting because of the the quality of your content. However, your association with the Microsoft brand is what lends credibility to what you write. I’d argue that this is especially true for new visitors.
Without your own branding efforts – you don’t use the tag “Microsoft Geek Blogger” for nothing, right? – dare I suggest that not only far fewer people would know about your blog in the first place, but those who did might not give such a degree of credibility to your content.
A world-class brand with world-class content deserves a world class design … and better font.
~G~
George: the content in the New York Times is consistently better than in other publications. Not always (aka Jayson Blair), but consistently yes.
Richard: I didn’t know about that until reading your post right now. I’ve sent an inquiry to the type division.
George: the content in the New York Times is consistently better than in other publications. Not always (aka Jayson Blair), but consistently yes.
Richard: I didn’t know about that until reading your post right now. I’ve sent an inquiry to the type division.
?? “not always” would be “inconsistently” rather than “consistently” then, wouldn’t it? Maybe you meant “usually”, “generally”, something like that.
?? “not always” would be “inconsistently” rather than “consistently” then, wouldn’t it? Maybe you meant “usually”, “generally”, something like that.
John, yeah, what you said. To me consistency means a trend over time. It’s sorta like making fudge. If my fudge has only one lump in it, but yours has four, then mine is consistently better than yours.
John, yeah, what you said. To me consistency means a trend over time. It’s sorta like making fudge. If my fudge has only one lump in it, but yours has four, then mine is consistently better than yours.
ah! Fudge….
ah! Fudge….
@21. Thanks for that visual
@21. Thanks for that visual
Oscar’s comment above, #15, concisely articulates the main problems with the new design.
Oscar’s comment above, #15, concisely articulates the main problems with the new design.
Wow, things keep getting worse! NYT design is an interesting case study of making things crappier without resorting to lots of animation…they fucked things up (in usablity terms) using bad layout alone. Kings of the fucking bozos. Alas.
There must have been some precedent for this when silents went to talkies,(Dave Winer has made some relevant comparisons) some understood they were in a new medium, others tried to transpose the elements in a polished but essentially numbnuts manner.
Wow, things keep getting worse! NYT design is an interesting case study of making things crappier without resorting to lots of animation…they fucked things up (in usablity terms) using bad layout alone. Kings of the fucking bozos. Alas.
There must have been some precedent for this when silents went to talkies,(Dave Winer has made some relevant comparisons) some understood they were in a new medium, others tried to transpose the elements in a polished but essentially numbnuts manner.