Free .NET Developer Tour

Scoble - what are you saying is free about .NET? For the users it's free, yes. Ask professional developers how free it is and you'll likely to find a different response.

Good!

Hope you come to Phoenix.
I can afford that too...

TDavid: I was saying that these training sessions are free. By the way, Visual Studio Express Editions are free.

That isn't what runs MySpace. MySpace was built on ColdFusion using Fusebox. Go there and look at the URLs, for instance:
http://movies.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=...
the .cfm is for CFML, ColdFusion Markup Language. The fuseaction is standard Fusebox. The token at the end is likely a UUID generated by ColdFusion to preserve state when you cross from server to server.

.NET is free for professional developers -- so long as the company picks up the MSDN subscription tab!

Hav

Richard,

> That isn’t what runs MySpace. MySpace was built on
> ColdFusion using Fusebox.

MySpace used to run ColdFusion. They migrated over to using ASP.NET. Some of the pages still retain the .cfm extension so that bookmarked links don't break.

Scott Guthrie (http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu) has an awesome post about it here :
http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2006/03/...

Be sure to read the comments as well.

Ai

TDavid,

> Scoble - what are you saying is free about .NET?
> For the users it’s free, yes. Ask professional
> developers how free it is and you’ll likely to find
> a different response.

I *think* Scoble may have been referring to the fact that our events are free. :)

The .NET redistributable is a free download however. And as Maryam was pointing, so is the IDE, Visual Studio Express.

Ai

Trey,

> Hope you come to Phoenix. I can afford that too…

We'll be in Phoenix on 5/23/06. Click on the link below to register :
http://msevents.microsoft.com/cui/EventDetail.a...

Ai

Hello Ai / Scoble - I intentionally used the word 'professional' in my first post because the Express version of VS are geared toward "hobbyistys and enthusiasts" (problem keywords: custom deployment) according to Microsoft themselves, so I'm just using your own verbiage.

It's a nice gesture for Microsoft to do these free training courses so don't take this as looking a gift horse in the mouth. Just saying I've been to several local training sessions but have yet to attend even one that ever used Visual Studio *Express* for demos. It's always been the VS Pro versions.

If they intend to use primarily Express for these training sesions please feel free to correct me :)

TDavid,

The standard, pro, and team suite editions of VS have more features than the express edition. No doubt.

We try and use Express as much as we can in our demos. In some cases (like with the Enterprise Library session we're doing in these sessions), use of VS Standard as a minimum is required. Which is a fair ask - I mean, the use of the enterprise library is for building applications that can scale and perform. And we can't have multiple editions of VS installed, so we install the 'highest common factor' to do all our demos. But for the other 2 sessions we'll be doing (Language Enhancements in C# & VB.NET and ASP.NET 2.0 WebParts), VS express will suffice.

The probable reason why you've seen trainers use Pro, is because that is what they have installed on their system. However, if you look at this chart, you'll notice that there's quite a butt-load you can do with express.

This is good feedback, that I'll share with my evangelist buddies, but rest assured, you can always ask the trainer/presenter if what they're demo-ing can be accomplished with Express. Fair enough?

Thanks,

Ai

Thanks for the link Ai. I am officially schooled ;)