New Sony, Old Sony

Scoble's new Sony HDTV

Astute watchers of my Flickr feed noticed something new showed up in my family room tonight.

How did I get Maryam to allow this? Five simple words:

No payments for 18 months.

Heheh.

Here's the Sony model I bought.

It's awesome, by the way. It's HUGE and crisp.

My brother also has one, he did a lot of research and found it's the sharpest resolution at about a $3,000 price range.

That's our old Sony in the background. We're off to Fred Meyer to buy some cables and get it setup.

Maryam's reaction? She's playing Zuma and says "great, now I'll have to call in sick tomorrow." She loves it! See, Maryam, far better than a stove. :-)

Comments

  1. Scoble,

    Do you intend to pay it off before the 18 months is up? I’m always wary of offers like this, mostly because you have no idea what monkey wrench could be thrown your way 18 months from now. I figure with the exception of houses just about everything else should be paid for in cash. Yes, that includes cars too.

  2. Scoble,

    Do you intend to pay it off before the 18 months is up? I’m always wary of offers like this, mostly because you have no idea what monkey wrench could be thrown your way 18 months from now. I figure with the exception of houses just about everything else should be paid for in cash. Yes, that includes cars too.

  3. Yes. If you don’t they backcharge you 18 months of interest at 25%. Not fun.

    Of course, you can move the entire cost over to something else, like a credit card, or my house’s credit account.

    I agree. But, what the heck.

  4. Yes. If you don’t they backcharge you 18 months of interest at 25%. Not fun.

    Of course, you can move the entire cost over to something else, like a credit card, or my house’s credit account.

    I agree. But, what the heck.

  5. CONGRADULATIONS!

    Now the problem you’ll run into: content

    Better sign up and get either hd cable or sat, I’m sure the 360 looks mighty pretty on that thing :-)

    Not bad for the price, I’m up to $1118 myself

    Noticed the Z-680′s on stands in the background, how shameful, get a real sound system to compliment your new beauty

  6. CONGRADULATIONS!

    Now the problem you’ll run into: content

    Better sign up and get either hd cable or sat, I’m sure the 360 looks mighty pretty on that thing :-)

    Not bad for the price, I’m up to $1118 myself

    Noticed the Z-680′s on stands in the background, how shameful, get a real sound system to compliment your new beauty

  7. Welcome to the world of HD, Robert!

    I also did a similar financing plan when I bought my Samsung 61″ DLP right after I moved out here. I did it to take advantage of a huge sale even though I hadn’t been planning to buy one so soon after moving out here. But I got a 12 or 18 month financing plan for about 75% of the cost. I paid about 25% of it in cash and then paid the rest off within a few months.

  8. Welcome to the world of HD, Robert!

    I also did a similar financing plan when I bought my Samsung 61″ DLP right after I moved out here. I did it to take advantage of a huge sale even though I hadn’t been planning to buy one so soon after moving out here. But I got a 12 or 18 month financing plan for about 75% of the cost. I paid about 25% of it in cash and then paid the rest off within a few months.

  9. Congrats – but mind you there is a catch to these deals. You now have another line of credit open. When you pay it off – be sure to also close the line of credit or it will show as a ding on your credit report.

    I spent quite a lot of time cleaning this stuff up a couple years ago when I bought a house.

    BTW, I’d rather have a new (gas!) stove. :-)

  10. Congrats – but mind you there is a catch to these deals. You now have another line of credit open. When you pay it off – be sure to also close the line of credit or it will show as a ding on your credit report.

    I spent quite a lot of time cleaning this stuff up a couple years ago when I bought a house.

    BTW, I’d rather have a new (gas!) stove. :-)

  11. Nice work Robert, check out an upscaling dvd player, I got a Vega 60″ Rear Pro & was stunnned at how much better dvd’s looked :).

    Enjoy.

  12. Nice work Robert, check out an upscaling dvd player, I got a Vega 60″ Rear Pro & was stunnned at how much better dvd’s looked :).

    Enjoy.

  13. Looks like Sony is still putting Memory Stick slots in their HDTV’s, but no SD slot. It’s the same deal as my Sony from 3 1/2 years ago. Seems that the Playstation 3 will actually have SD though.

  14. Looks like Sony is still putting Memory Stick slots in their HDTV’s, but no SD slot. It’s the same deal as my Sony from 3 1/2 years ago. Seems that the Playstation 3 will actually have SD though.

  15. Whoa that is YUGE! (As Donald Trump might say.) I’ve never seen something like that for myself in person… it looks regal enough to be on the bridge of the Enterprise!

  16. Whoa that is YUGE! (As Donald Trump might say.) I’ve never seen something like that for myself in person… it looks regal enough to be on the bridge of the Enterprise!

  17. Oh wow that is huge! TVs like that are hideously expensive here in South Africa. Still, I could always save …

  18. Oh wow that is huge! TVs like that are hideously expensive here in South Africa. Still, I could always save …

  19. Congrats Robert. Welcome to HD gaming goodness.

    Robert, by any chance, have you tried “Bankshot Billars 2″…it is just pool. Its pretty cool, download the demo and give it a shot.

  20. Congrats Robert. Welcome to HD gaming goodness.

    Robert, by any chance, have you tried “Bankshot Billars 2″…it is just pool. Its pretty cool, download the demo and give it a shot.

  21. I’ve always had one problem with this kind of purchase :

    Product lifetime.

    Over the last 30 years televisions have come a long way. Prices have too. And lifetimes? Nope. They STILL have about 10 years before the picture degrades.

    I just can’t seem to justify spending $3000 for something like that.

  22. I’ve always had one problem with this kind of purchase :

    Product lifetime.

    Over the last 30 years televisions have come a long way. Prices have too. And lifetimes? Nope. They STILL have about 10 years before the picture degrades.

    I just can’t seem to justify spending $3000 for something like that.

  23. I’m curious, did you consider either of these Sony model’s: KDF-50E2000 or the KDF-E50A10? Both of them are the same price but $1200 less then the one you bought. I’m asking because my wife and I were looking at the KDF-E50A10 & decided not to consider the KDS-R50XBR1 because I couldn’t really see what the additional $1200 was buying us. What was your assessment?

  24. I’m curious, did you consider either of these Sony model’s: KDF-50E2000 or the KDF-E50A10? Both of them are the same price but $1200 less then the one you bought. I’m asking because my wife and I were looking at the KDF-E50A10 & decided not to consider the KDS-R50XBR1 because I couldn’t really see what the additional $1200 was buying us. What was your assessment?

  25. Very nice. I can’t believe we don’t have one yet, for all the OTHER geek equipment we have. Can’t wait to test it out at Maryam’s movie night this week!

  26. Very nice. I can’t believe we don’t have one yet, for all the OTHER geek equipment we have. Can’t wait to test it out at Maryam’s movie night this week!

  27. I got it at the Sony Outlet north of Seattle in Marysville. I’m not sure I’d recommend them. It was a refurbished one, so got an OK deal (my brother got pretty much the same deal at Sony Only down in Portland, but his wasn’t a refurb). I also needed to rent a truck and deliver it myself.

  28. I got it at the Sony Outlet north of Seattle in Marysville. I’m not sure I’d recommend them. It was a refurbished one, so got an OK deal (my brother got pretty much the same deal at Sony Only down in Portland, but his wasn’t a refurb). I also needed to rent a truck and deliver it myself.

  29. Robert, you picked up what’s arguably one of the best sets on the market. Sony’s SXRD flavor of Liquid Crystal on Silicon provides a 1920 x 1080 res progressively scanned. If there was a downside at all, it’s that the set doesn’t accept a native 1080p input. I doubt that’s going to be an issue for you since the Xbox 360 doesn’t output 1080p (although the PS3 will); be sure to check out one of the new HD-DVD players, not that I’m trying to spend your money. Oh and Maryam: you should see what a fire in a fireplace looks like in 1080p! ;)

  30. Robert, you picked up what’s arguably one of the best sets on the market. Sony’s SXRD flavor of Liquid Crystal on Silicon provides a 1920 x 1080 res progressively scanned. If there was a downside at all, it’s that the set doesn’t accept a native 1080p input. I doubt that’s going to be an issue for you since the Xbox 360 doesn’t output 1080p (although the PS3 will); be sure to check out one of the new HD-DVD players, not that I’m trying to spend your money. Oh and Maryam: you should see what a fire in a fireplace looks like in 1080p! ;)

  31. Dave: do you use a 1995 computer still too?

    This is a stunning TV. Life is too short to worry that something better will come out tomorrow. Will I get $3,000 worth of enjoyment out of this? Yes. Or, look another way, that’s $100 a month if you go on the payment plan.

    I just quit drinking coffee. What was my monthly coffee bill? About $100. So I just gave up coffee for HDTV.

    Paul: I’m never home, but now I have incentive to turn down speaking invitations!

  32. Dave: do you use a 1995 computer still too?

    This is a stunning TV. Life is too short to worry that something better will come out tomorrow. Will I get $3,000 worth of enjoyment out of this? Yes. Or, look another way, that’s $100 a month if you go on the payment plan.

    I just quit drinking coffee. What was my monthly coffee bill? About $100. So I just gave up coffee for HDTV.

    Paul: I’m never home, but now I have incentive to turn down speaking invitations!

  33. Kevin,what do you mean it won’t accept native 1080p input since it says in the specs that native resolution is 1920 x 1080 – do you mean not thru RGB or not even through DVI/HDMI?

  34. Kevin,what do you mean it won’t accept native 1080p input since it says in the specs that native resolution is 1920 x 1080 – do you mean not thru RGB or not even through DVI/HDMI?

  35. Shoot, I just bought I jvc 56″ and I love it, but I only got 1 HDMI port into the tv, and you got two. No fair. I have sattilite and a dvd player that want the HDMI port.

    SO when are we going to get a multi port for HDMI.

    Finally I am on the leading edge of some technology, and get to have these problems.

    The hell with it, I will just go back to my Sony Beta tape machine.

  36. Shoot, I just bought I jvc 56″ and I love it, but I only got 1 HDMI port into the tv, and you got two. No fair. I have sattilite and a dvd player that want the HDMI port.

    SO when are we going to get a multi port for HDMI.

    Finally I am on the leading edge of some technology, and get to have these problems.

    The hell with it, I will just go back to my Sony Beta tape machine.

  37. Robert, you misunderstood me.

    (I own four PCs, all bought within the last 2 years. All Macs BTW. Before that I owned about 5 Windows boxes bought from 1997-2003.)

    Where we agree is using the word “value”. For me, that words means spending either $400 for my 31″ analog TV in the living room, or spending $800 – just 2 weeks ago – for the 27″ flat panel HD for the bedroom.

    Between the average lifetime of a TV (which has not improved one bit), coupled with the time I spend NOT using it, coupled with the fact I’m just not a game player (as in video games)… I meant exactly/only what I said – I simply cannot justify to myself spending $3000 on a TV. Yet somehow I can justify owning four PCs! :-)

    But never did I mean to say I wouldn’t buy a $3000 TV because I’m waiting for someting better to come out tomorrow.

  38. Robert, you misunderstood me.

    (I own four PCs, all bought within the last 2 years. All Macs BTW. Before that I owned about 5 Windows boxes bought from 1997-2003.)

    Where we agree is using the word “value”. For me, that words means spending either $400 for my 31″ analog TV in the living room, or spending $800 – just 2 weeks ago – for the 27″ flat panel HD for the bedroom.

    Between the average lifetime of a TV (which has not improved one bit), coupled with the time I spend NOT using it, coupled with the fact I’m just not a game player (as in video games)… I meant exactly/only what I said – I simply cannot justify to myself spending $3000 on a TV. Yet somehow I can justify owning four PCs! :-)

    But never did I mean to say I wouldn’t buy a $3000 TV because I’m waiting for someting better to come out tomorrow.

  39. Ahh, Dave, understood.

    Here’s my ROI. If I take Maryam and Patrick (or a friend like Buzz) to the movies, we’ll spend $27. And that’s before you buy Cokes, Popcorn, and a hotdog. If you do that you can easily get up to above $40.

    This screen, assuming I only keep it for five years, will run me about $100 a month in payments.

    So, go to the movies twice a month with your family? Well, stay home on a screen like this. :-)

    But, seriously, it’s something I’ve been wanting to buy for four years. My alimony payments end in July, so I can afford a toy or two. Especially since I don’t have to pay for another year.

  40. Ahh, Dave, understood.

    Here’s my ROI. If I take Maryam and Patrick (or a friend like Buzz) to the movies, we’ll spend $27. And that’s before you buy Cokes, Popcorn, and a hotdog. If you do that you can easily get up to above $40.

    This screen, assuming I only keep it for five years, will run me about $100 a month in payments.

    So, go to the movies twice a month with your family? Well, stay home on a screen like this. :-)

    But, seriously, it’s something I’ve been wanting to buy for four years. My alimony payments end in July, so I can afford a toy or two. Especially since I don’t have to pay for another year.

  41. None of the other Sony RPTVs mentioned are 1080 capable. In other words, they don’t have a native resolution capable of displaying 1080 lines natively.

    So while a lot of TVs accept 1080i signals, they downsample that signal to 720P.

    Be very careful when purchasing an HD TV right now as very few sets are capable of natively displaying 1080i signals. All older style CRT based TVs and RPTVs can do it, but they typically cannot do 720P natively.

    There are a few directview LCD panels that can do it (some from Westinghouse that can even accept 1080P signals), VERY FEW plasmas that can do it and they are about $10k, and the LCoS based systems from Sony, JVC and others, although I have read that Sony’s resolution is a bit sharper than the D-ILA (JVC’s version of LCoS) systems from JVC.

    Also please note that NONE, I repeat NONE, of the current DLP rear projection systems are true 1080P sets. The single DLP element in them is a 12xx by 7xx resolution element and then they use something called “wobulation” to make it approximate 1080P, but you can totally tell when it’s side by side with a true 1080P unit that it just doesn’t come close.

    If you are buying an HD TV system now, make sure it’s a native 1080 unit. If you can’t afford a 1080 unit, wait until you can as 720p sets are soon to be as extinct as the dodo…and whatever you do…

    Please, please, please stay away from the EDTV Plasmas that sell for over $1000 but are only 480P sets…complete utter crap.

    Oh and if you want a set that accepts a 1080P signal (not that it matters as you won’t see 1080P material for a while, perhaps never through cable or broadcast) wait till the next generation of Sony SXRD units comes out in the fall.

  42. None of the other Sony RPTVs mentioned are 1080 capable. In other words, they don’t have a native resolution capable of displaying 1080 lines natively.

    So while a lot of TVs accept 1080i signals, they downsample that signal to 720P.

    Be very careful when purchasing an HD TV right now as very few sets are capable of natively displaying 1080i signals. All older style CRT based TVs and RPTVs can do it, but they typically cannot do 720P natively.

    There are a few directview LCD panels that can do it (some from Westinghouse that can even accept 1080P signals), VERY FEW plasmas that can do it and they are about $10k, and the LCoS based systems from Sony, JVC and others, although I have read that Sony’s resolution is a bit sharper than the D-ILA (JVC’s version of LCoS) systems from JVC.

    Also please note that NONE, I repeat NONE, of the current DLP rear projection systems are true 1080P sets. The single DLP element in them is a 12xx by 7xx resolution element and then they use something called “wobulation” to make it approximate 1080P, but you can totally tell when it’s side by side with a true 1080P unit that it just doesn’t come close.

    If you are buying an HD TV system now, make sure it’s a native 1080 unit. If you can’t afford a 1080 unit, wait until you can as 720p sets are soon to be as extinct as the dodo…and whatever you do…

    Please, please, please stay away from the EDTV Plasmas that sell for over $1000 but are only 480P sets…complete utter crap.

    Oh and if you want a set that accepts a 1080P signal (not that it matters as you won’t see 1080P material for a while, perhaps never through cable or broadcast) wait till the next generation of Sony SXRD units comes out in the fall.

  43. That looks so awesome and yummy I can almost forget that I – don’t – actually – watch – much – TV … and don’t want to watch as much as I already do watch.

    On another topic: why are you not filthy rich, Robert? You are one of the most important people at Microsoft, whether or not they realize it, and should obviously be paying you more.

    (Or should I chalk up your occasional can’t-afford-this-or-that comments to the astronomical prices of Seattle real estate?)

  44. That looks so awesome and yummy I can almost forget that I – don’t – actually – watch – much – TV … and don’t want to watch as much as I already do watch.

    On another topic: why are you not filthy rich, Robert? You are one of the most important people at Microsoft, whether or not they realize it, and should obviously be paying you more.

    (Or should I chalk up your occasional can’t-afford-this-or-that comments to the astronomical prices of Seattle real estate?)

  45. Alexander has great advice. Now, what I don’t understand is why anyone would buy a Sony. But then again, people buy Chevy’s

  46. Alexander has great advice. Now, what I don’t understand is why anyone would buy a Sony. But then again, people buy Chevy’s

  47. Alexander,

    This is a copy/paste from Son’y web site with the link theat Robert posted

    “Specifications • General Features

    • Channel Fix

    • ID1 Detection

    • Video

    • Native Resolution: 1920 x 1080

    • Aspect Ratio: 16:9″

    So … please explain … if I have a 1920 x 1080p signal via the PC input from my Windows Media center 2005, will the KDS-R50XBR1 display only 720p ?

  48. Alexander,

    This is a copy/paste from Son’y web site with the link theat Robert posted

    “Specifications • General Features

    • Channel Fix

    • ID1 Detection

    • Video

    • Native Resolution: 1920 x 1080

    • Aspect Ratio: 16:9″

    So … please explain … if I have a 1920 x 1080p signal via the PC input from my Windows Media center 2005, will the KDS-R50XBR1 display only 720p ?

  49. The Sony SXRD sets include support for HDCP.

    Why would anyone want to buy a Sony? Because, currently, they make the best big screen TV on the market for the price, period.

    If that wasn’t the case, then I would not have bought one as I am fairly anti-Sony after the Sony BMG DRM rootkit kerfluffle…but I wanted an HDTV now that I was going to be happy with NOW and the Sony sets were the only ones that I saw that justified purchasing.

    In two years, I’ll probably change to a Toshiba SED display, or I might not. Have to see how good SED displays really are when they come out.

    But if you are looking for a big screen HDTV TODAY and hanging it on the wall isn’t part of your requirements, than the SXRD sets are where your best money is at. By comparison all of the DLP sets, quite frankly, just suck. As I said, there are no plasma sets of comparable quality anywhere near the same price.

    So that leaves you with few options at this point, of which the Sonys are the best, in my opinion.

    As my brother said, this opinion is based on at least two months of research if not more.

    If your requirements aren’t to get the best big screen HDTV for the money, then don’t buy the Sonys, but if that is your biggest requirement, then you will be dissappointed with pretty much anything else.

    I should note that I am ONLY talking about the Sony 50″ and 60″ SXRD units here. If your requirements are for a smaller set, then most likely you will want to take a look at a directview LCD display that will do 1080p native like the Westinghouse LCD displays or others.

  50. The Sony SXRD sets include support for HDCP.

    Why would anyone want to buy a Sony? Because, currently, they make the best big screen TV on the market for the price, period.

    If that wasn’t the case, then I would not have bought one as I am fairly anti-Sony after the Sony BMG DRM rootkit kerfluffle…but I wanted an HDTV now that I was going to be happy with NOW and the Sony sets were the only ones that I saw that justified purchasing.

    In two years, I’ll probably change to a Toshiba SED display, or I might not. Have to see how good SED displays really are when they come out.

    But if you are looking for a big screen HDTV TODAY and hanging it on the wall isn’t part of your requirements, than the SXRD sets are where your best money is at. By comparison all of the DLP sets, quite frankly, just suck. As I said, there are no plasma sets of comparable quality anywhere near the same price.

    So that leaves you with few options at this point, of which the Sonys are the best, in my opinion.

    As my brother said, this opinion is based on at least two months of research if not more.

    If your requirements aren’t to get the best big screen HDTV for the money, then don’t buy the Sonys, but if that is your biggest requirement, then you will be dissappointed with pretty much anything else.

    I should note that I am ONLY talking about the Sony 50″ and 60″ SXRD units here. If your requirements are for a smaller set, then most likely you will want to take a look at a directview LCD display that will do 1080p native like the Westinghouse LCD displays or others.

  51. Sony SXRD, HDTV and 1080

    As you may have read on my brother’s blog, he recently purchased a 50" Sony SXRD (KDS-R50XBR1) rear projection TV (RPTV). This is the same exact make and model of HDTV that I purchased in March and received delivery of last Thursday.
    This TV is o…

  52. The trouble with huge TVs is that sometimes – they are just *too* huge.

    Flatscreen TVs can also have serious quality problems, especially solarisation and poor image quality, that the sellers often will pretend they aren;t aware of until after the sale – then claim so long as it’s to manufacturer specifications, then just shut up.

    Had a bad experience with that last year:
    http://www.platinax.co.uk/blogs/brian/index.php?s=comet#flatscreen-tv-problems

  53. The trouble with huge TVs is that sometimes – they are just *too* huge.

    Flatscreen TVs can also have serious quality problems, especially solarisation and poor image quality, that the sellers often will pretend they aren;t aware of until after the sale – then claim so long as it’s to manufacturer specifications, then just shut up.

    Had a bad experience with that last year:
    http://www.platinax.co.uk/blogs/brian/index.php?s=comet#flatscreen-tv-problems

  54. Congrats Robert! And just a few short weeks ago you were thinking you’d have to give up your xbox. ;)

    Every time I end up playing a 360 on a SDTV it makes sad that the owner is missing out on so much.

  55. Congrats Robert! And just a few short weeks ago you were thinking you’d have to give up your xbox. ;)

    Every time I end up playing a 360 on a SDTV it makes sad that the owner is missing out on so much.

  56. Ever since the Sony rootkit debacle I’ve been boycotting them. No monies for Sony (though it is a nice screen, but there are plenty of other brands out there).

  57. Ever since the Sony rootkit debacle I’ve been boycotting them. No monies for Sony (though it is a nice screen, but there are plenty of other brands out there).

  58. [...] Скобл купил новый, очень плоский и очень широкоэкранный, Sony HDTV. Ну и что? А вот что – он пишет: “Как я убедил Мэриам [это жена] пойти на это? Очень просто – никаких платежей в течение 18 месяцев”. [...]

  59. I feel the same way about the rootkit debacle, Michael.

    Unfortunately, I had to eat crow on that one after blogging that I would be boycotting Sony because of the rootkit mess.

    Problem is there just aren’t a lot of other brands to choose from right now when it comes to HDTVs with 1920×1080 resolution. At the 50″ size it’s Sony or JVC and the JVC is, at least from everything I’ve read, an inferior product.

    Sorry, but for me getting the best product for the money trumps some idiotic move that another Sony company did.

  60. I feel the same way about the rootkit debacle, Michael.

    Unfortunately, I had to eat crow on that one after blogging that I would be boycotting Sony because of the rootkit mess.

    Problem is there just aren’t a lot of other brands to choose from right now when it comes to HDTVs with 1920×1080 resolution. At the 50″ size it’s Sony or JVC and the JVC is, at least from everything I’ve read, an inferior product.

    Sorry, but for me getting the best product for the money trumps some idiotic move that another Sony company did.

  61. I just bought a JVC HD-56G786 and am loving it. I am bummed that it only 1 HDMI input for it; so I either hook up my satelite or the DVD players. I need a AB switch.

    I guess theat is one of the problems being on the edge last this, I used to always get stuff when tech was two years old.

    This being on the edge is frustrating, and give head aches at night trying to hack things to work

  62. I just bought a JVC HD-56G786 and am loving it. I am bummed that it only 1 HDMI input for it; so I either hook up my satelite or the DVD players. I need a AB switch.

    I guess theat is one of the problems being on the edge last this, I used to always get stuff when tech was two years old.

    This being on the edge is frustrating, and give head aches at night trying to hack things to work

  63. Alexander, Thanks. T did not know they were even out there. I found a four port about 300 (i think 280). I just got to convince the Spousal unit that we need one, or the world will end. With the new Computer, and the new TV this could be hard.

  64. Alexander, Thanks. T did not know they were even out there. I found a four port about 300 (i think 280). I just got to convince the Spousal unit that we need one, or the world will end. With the new Computer, and the new TV this could be hard.

  65. I just bought the KDS-R50XBR1 and I love it. I bought last it for $2500 canadian with a stand. I was the floor model and I knew the owner of the store. I have one question. They say that the xbox 360 will display 1080P if you use the VGA cable. My tv has RGB. Is that the same thing? If I buy the cable can I plug it in? Sorry if it’s a stupid question.

    Thanks
    Andre

  66. I just bought the KDS-R50XBR1 and I love it. I bought last it for $2500 canadian with a stand. I was the floor model and I knew the owner of the store. I have one question. They say that the xbox 360 will display 1080P if you use the VGA cable. My tv has RGB. Is that the same thing? If I buy the cable can I plug it in? Sorry if it’s a stupid question.

    Thanks
    Andre

  67. Sorry I should have proof read my comment first. I think you get the idea of what I meant.

    Again thanks,

    Andre

  68. Sorry I should have proof read my comment first. I think you get the idea of what I meant.

    Again thanks,

    Andre