11 thoughts on “Google in China

  1. This is really a tough one. I mean it’s what you do what matters, as well as the dollars you bring in. The problem for me is that Tiananmen Square wasn’t that long ago in history. It terrifies me that the whole world watched democracy crushed in this way… and for what? Just so a regime can continue? So the old powers can stay?

    By companies working with China they are legitimising everything about the regime, for better and worse.

  2. This is really a tough one. I mean it’s what you do what matters, as well as the dollars you bring in. The problem for me is that Tiananmen Square wasn’t that long ago in history. It terrifies me that the whole world watched democracy crushed in this way… and for what? Just so a regime can continue? So the old powers can stay?

    By companies working with China they are legitimising everything about the regime, for better and worse.

  3. In my mind, it’s a bit hard for companys like Google, Microsoft or Yahoo! – Why? Because the market in China is big – too big to ignore it, and to work with/on this market you’ll have to accept the rules of the chinese goverment. Don’t misunderstand me, I think that, what the chinese goverment does is wrong, to don’t let them inform about what they want to. And to censor search machines drive them “ad absurdum” – in my mind.

    What they should do? I can’t tell you. Speak to the goverment and hope that they start understanding that you can’t put the free choice into a cage. (Like Google did) to help the chinese gov. to find someone which get arrested at least is the ABSOLUTE wrong way and it stinks! A reason not to use this search machine – again – in my mind.

  4. In my mind, it’s a bit hard for companys like Google, Microsoft or Yahoo! – Why? Because the market in China is big – too big to ignore it, and to work with/on this market you’ll have to accept the rules of the chinese goverment. Don’t misunderstand me, I think that, what the chinese goverment does is wrong, to don’t let them inform about what they want to. And to censor search machines drive them “ad absurdum” – in my mind.

    What they should do? I can’t tell you. Speak to the goverment and hope that they start understanding that you can’t put the free choice into a cage. (Like Google did) to help the chinese gov. to find someone which get arrested at least is the ABSOLUTE wrong way and it stinks! A reason not to use this search machine – again – in my mind.

  5. Go in, never mention ‘ethics’, say for ‘economic benefits’, once in and position secured, if heat got too hot, go out and externally lament the process, whine, scream and wail; say some benefits by being there and will work towards positive change now, blah blah blah. But it’s all just a shell-game show. As revolutions only happen with dramatic impact, and not by eternal appeasements. Case in point: The Soviet Union didn’t fall, it was pushed.

    These coroporate games always follow the same scripts…nothing new under the sun, been this way since the dawn of time. What’s new? Nothing, but the blogger beach-balls, in the Google worship, missing the dead obvious.

  6. Go in, never mention ‘ethics’, say for ‘economic benefits’, once in and position secured, if heat got too hot, go out and externally lament the process, whine, scream and wail; say some benefits by being there and will work towards positive change now, blah blah blah. But it’s all just a shell-game show. As revolutions only happen with dramatic impact, and not by eternal appeasements. Case in point: The Soviet Union didn’t fall, it was pushed.

    These coroporate games always follow the same scripts…nothing new under the sun, been this way since the dawn of time. What’s new? Nothing, but the blogger beach-balls, in the Google worship, missing the dead obvious.

  7. Perhaps the best thing about Google’s having gone in to China is that, maybe more than anything else, is educating the world about Chinese internet censorship.

  8. Perhaps the best thing about Google’s having gone in to China is that, maybe more than anything else, is educating the world about Chinese internet censorship.

  9. Here’s what I left on M.P.’s blog:

    “Google’s rivals accommodated the same demands…without international criticism, he said.” This isn’t remotely true. Yahoo got their asses kicked a lot harder than Google did. In the same ass-kicking party, MS, Secure Computing, Cisco.

    I don’t believe anyone sensible is suggesting Google jump up and run like hell for the border. Simply, that they use their heft, hopefully in conjunction with their peers, to take a position of least possible collusion with the Chinese government. The problem with many of the actions of companies like Google is not that they ‘cooperated’ with the Chinese government, but that they RUSHED to ANTICIPATE the desires of the Chinese government.

    Anyone who believes business has no moral dimension is an ethical pygmy. There’s a lot of ground between ‘assume a dramatic moral stand’ and ‘roll over.’ Google should explore that ground.

  10. Here’s what I left on M.P.’s blog:

    “Google’s rivals accommodated the same demands…without international criticism, he said.” This isn’t remotely true. Yahoo got their asses kicked a lot harder than Google did. In the same ass-kicking party, MS, Secure Computing, Cisco.

    I don’t believe anyone sensible is suggesting Google jump up and run like hell for the border. Simply, that they use their heft, hopefully in conjunction with their peers, to take a position of least possible collusion with the Chinese government. The problem with many of the actions of companies like Google is not that they ‘cooperated’ with the Chinese government, but that they RUSHED to ANTICIPATE the desires of the Chinese government.

    Anyone who believes business has no moral dimension is an ethical pygmy. There’s a lot of ground between ‘assume a dramatic moral stand’ and ‘roll over.’ Google should explore that ground.

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