Yahoo recruiter wants my resume

I'm trying to clean out my email (about 700 to go, but at least I got them all triaged into folders). One of the emails is from a Yahoo recruiter who has been talking with me on and off for the past few months. He keeps bugging me to send him a resume. He told me why a resume is needed, cause it'll help him find me a job that's a good fit for both of us.

I just wrote him back and said "I just took a job that didn't require a resume, sorry." Oh, I can be such a snarky jerk sometimes. Sorry.

Update: it gets even funnier. He just asked "where are you going?" Um, not to Yahoo! 

Comments

  1. I haven’t had a resume in over 20 years… now I am “between positions” and everyone wants to see a killer resume. I would *much* rather have a killer conversation with them then send them a piece of paper that cannot show them my passion, my intellect, my personality, etc.

    Resumes suck, and there has to be a better way to weed through applicants.

  2. I haven’t had a resume in over 20 years… now I am “between positions” and everyone wants to see a killer resume. I would *much* rather have a killer conversation with them then send them a piece of paper that cannot show them my passion, my intellect, my personality, etc.

    Resumes suck, and there has to be a better way to weed through applicants.

  3. You’re very lucky to have such a public profile Robert.

    The rest of us plebs are in a less enviable position: we KNOW we’re the best coder/blogger/manager/artist in town, but the recruiters don’t want any application other than a corporate-speak covering letter and a bullet point resume. How the hell is that meant to convey my personality and strong work ethos?

  4. You’re very lucky to have such a public profile Robert.

    The rest of us plebs are in a less enviable position: we KNOW we’re the best coder/blogger/manager/artist in town, but the recruiters don’t want any application other than a corporate-speak covering letter and a bullet point resume. How the hell is that meant to convey my personality and strong work ethos?

  5. I’m actually pretty proud of my resume, but even still, Yahoo/Google and them filter resume submissions — if you aren’t from MIT or Berkeley or some other american ivey league school, you won’t have recruiters e-mailing you….

    The only way to do it is in person, and MS was the only good tech company that came to my school.

  6. I’m actually pretty proud of my resume, but even still, Yahoo/Google and them filter resume submissions — if you aren’t from MIT or Berkeley or some other american ivey league school, you won’t have recruiters e-mailing you….

    The only way to do it is in person, and MS was the only good tech company that came to my school.

  7. Actually, this might be a very useful way to use podcasts – set up a service that allows job seekers to post a short (less than 5 minute) podcast instead of a resume – it would give hiring manager’s a MUCH better sense of who they are as a person than a resume can do. The podcast can be refered to on a standard resume, but it might be better to just replace resumes with these short “jobcasts”

  8. Actually, this might be a very useful way to use podcasts – set up a service that allows job seekers to post a short (less than 5 minute) podcast instead of a resume – it would give hiring manager’s a MUCH better sense of who they are as a person than a resume can do. The podcast can be refered to on a standard resume, but it might be better to just replace resumes with these short “jobcasts”

  9. Re (5):

    I don’t think that would be any more valuable than a resume — if there’s no interaction, how are you really supposed to get to know the person? That 5 minutes would be used to do exactly what a resume serves to do, but much less effectively.

    Resumes are meant for screening and these podcasts would make that more difficult.

  10. Re (5):

    I don’t think that would be any more valuable than a resume — if there’s no interaction, how are you really supposed to get to know the person? That 5 minutes would be used to do exactly what a resume serves to do, but much less effectively.

    Resumes are meant for screening and these podcasts would make that more difficult.

  11. BTW – how did you categorize my emails? Just wondering where Clear Context put them – so far I am finding it’s doing a really good job (the job I wish Outlook did all by itself!)

  12. BTW – how did you categorize my emails? Just wondering where Clear Context put them – so far I am finding it’s doing a really good job (the job I wish Outlook did all by itself!)

  13. Wanna again keep your new company books and fire yourself then company run out of money (like UserLand Software) and search for job on Craig’s List (like NEC) ?

    You still have to pay for Mariam BMW and was unable to afford cool toys (like XBox at least once).

    It’s sad that people repeat their past mistakes ;-)

  14. Wanna again keep your new company books and fire yourself then company run out of money (like UserLand Software) and search for job on Craig’s List (like NEC) ?

    You still have to pay for Mariam BMW and was unable to afford cool toys (like XBox at least once).

    It’s sad that people repeat their past mistakes ;-)

  15. Here is a great idea…since nowadays most resumes are in fact eResumes once they are Scanned to the database and Tagged …

    Why not add a detailed “Web 2.0″ resume to your http://robertscoble.com/ site and create a print friendly or PDF version – then forward recruiters there

    btw:

    Every techie should Google themselves before an important job interview

  16. Here is a great idea…since nowadays most resumes are in fact eResumes once they are Scanned to the database and Tagged …

    Why not add a detailed “Web 2.0″ resume to your http://robertscoble.com/ site and create a print friendly or PDF version – then forward recruiters there

    btw:

    Every techie should Google themselves before an important job interview

  17. Hey Rob,

    Blogs, Vlog’s, how about a PodCV or a videoCV!? With the current online media explosion, there’s no reason why you couldn’t put together a brief outline of your skillset via a video attached to an email

    BTW, the live Flash streaming from the PodTech site is cool. I also see MSN spaces now supports RSS feeds via a new gadget aka Windows Live. Soon you won’t need Frontpage or Dreamweaver to knock up your site with Ajax technology.. just pick and place

    Rob Atkinson
    Kilkenny, Ireland

  18. Hey Rob,

    Blogs, Vlog’s, how about a PodCV or a videoCV!? With the current online media explosion, there’s no reason why you couldn’t put together a brief outline of your skillset via a video attached to an email

    BTW, the live Flash streaming from the PodTech site is cool. I also see MSN spaces now supports RSS feeds via a new gadget aka Windows Live. Soon you won’t need Frontpage or Dreamweaver to knock up your site with Ajax technology.. just pick and place

    Rob Atkinson
    Kilkenny, Ireland

  19. “I just wrote him back and said “I just took a job that didn’t require a resume, sorry.” Oh, I can be such a snarky jerk sometimes. Sorry.”
    I agree with you. You did a good thing. I am sure things will cahnge a lot in the coming days. Resume will no longer be important- blogs will be.

  20. “I just wrote him back and said “I just took a job that didn’t require a resume, sorry.” Oh, I can be such a snarky jerk sometimes. Sorry.”
    I agree with you. You did a good thing. I am sure things will cahnge a lot in the coming days. Resume will no longer be important- blogs will be.

  21. Then again…
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/us/11recruit.html?ei=5090&en=ddfbe1e3b386090b&ex=1307678400&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all

    “Some companies, including Enterprise Rent-a-Car, Ernst & Young and Osram Sylvania, said they did not use the Internet to check on college job applicants.

    “I’d rather not see that part of them,” said Maureen Crawford Hentz, manager of talent acquisition at Osram Sylvania. “I don’t think it’s related to their bona fide occupational qualifications.”

    More than a half-dozen major corporations, including Morgan Stanley, Dell, Pfizer, L’Oréal and Goldman Sachs, turned down or did not respond to requests for interviews.”

    Your internet persona may say more about you than you like to believe. I gotta think there are still many companies that won’t want to invest in a resource unless they can find about how they’ve actually performed!!! Blogs don’t tell you how a person makes sound business decisions or can meet goals, think strategically or solve problems. I think it’s risky and dumb to assess someone’s qualifications based solely on their blog or internet presense.

  22. Then again…
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/us/11recruit.html?ei=5090&en=ddfbe1e3b386090b&ex=1307678400&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all

    “Some companies, including Enterprise Rent-a-Car, Ernst & Young and Osram Sylvania, said they did not use the Internet to check on college job applicants.

    “I’d rather not see that part of them,” said Maureen Crawford Hentz, manager of talent acquisition at Osram Sylvania. “I don’t think it’s related to their bona fide occupational qualifications.”

    More than a half-dozen major corporations, including Morgan Stanley, Dell, Pfizer, L’Oréal and Goldman Sachs, turned down or did not respond to requests for interviews.”

    Your internet persona may say more about you than you like to believe. I gotta think there are still many companies that won’t want to invest in a resource unless they can find about how they’ve actually performed!!! Blogs don’t tell you how a person makes sound business decisions or can meet goals, think strategically or solve problems. I think it’s risky and dumb to assess someone’s qualifications based solely on their blog or internet presense.

  23. You expect too much of recruiters. Mind you If i was Yahoo – i’d think about changing, those great fire wall of china guys now there the recruiters to have!

    The recruitment industry is full of wasters – its nice to make them squirm.

  24. You expect too much of recruiters. Mind you If i was Yahoo – i’d think about changing, those great fire wall of china guys now there the recruiters to have!

    The recruitment industry is full of wasters – its nice to make them squirm.

  25. David: hubris is bad, you’re right, but this guy was trying to recruit me because someone told him “we should hire Scoble” or I got on some list of Microsoft employees to recruit.

    And, hubris is a bad thing if it’s out of proportion. In this case it isn’t.

  26. David: hubris is bad, you’re right, but this guy was trying to recruit me because someone told him “we should hire Scoble” or I got on some list of Microsoft employees to recruit.

    And, hubris is a bad thing if it’s out of proportion. In this case it isn’t.

  27. While this thread is certainly very interesting and thought provoking, I think the days of the video interview with no resume is more than a little ways off for most of us.

    I’m happy to both network and help people with resumes or discuss my resume and background with folks in this space, it’s called positive networking and I’m pleased to do it.

    Thanks.

  28. While this thread is certainly very interesting and thought provoking, I think the days of the video interview with no resume is more than a little ways off for most of us.

    I’m happy to both network and help people with resumes or discuss my resume and background with folks in this space, it’s called positive networking and I’m pleased to do it.

    Thanks.

  29. If someone expects a resume as a foundation for a conversation you are not interested in having, then why submit the resume?

  30. If someone expects a resume as a foundation for a conversation you are not interested in having, then why submit the resume?

  31. Jeffrey, because my resume is my blog. Oh, and Wikipedia has the highlights of my career too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Scoble

    I don’t want a job that I need to send a resume into. I’ve already had enough of those. I want jobs where people see what I’m interested in and see my talents and offer me work to fill those. A resume isn’t a good way for you to figure that out. At least not for someone who has blogged almost every day for five years.

  32. Jeffrey, because my resume is my blog. Oh, and Wikipedia has the highlights of my career too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Scoble

    I don’t want a job that I need to send a resume into. I’ve already had enough of those. I want jobs where people see what I’m interested in and see my talents and offer me work to fill those. A resume isn’t a good way for you to figure that out. At least not for someone who has blogged almost every day for five years.

  33. But your blog doesn’t tell me what you can do or have done. All it does is tell me what you think and that you know how to surf the internet. Heck, even pointers to Channel 9 doesn’t tell me what you can do, or that you know how to think strategically, or that you can manage your time well, or that you can solve problems. All the Channel 9 links tell me is that you barely know how to use a camera and that you can kinda sorta interview people. It doesn’t even tell me if you were the one deciding who to interview. All I get from your blog is…well..nothing really from the standpoint of can you do a particular job. In fact if I go primarily from your blog I see someone who is very defensive when the heat is on. Can’t take criticism very well. Has trouble prioritizing his work. I’m unclear on whether your employers work is more important than your blog based on many of your past posts (“Way behind on my channel 9 duties…way behind on email…bla bla bla). I have no idea what your skills are other than you can name drop and,again, surf the internet and well, apparently know Dave Winer, whatever that buys me as an employee.

    It would seem the value I would get from hiring you based on your blog would be the same value a casino gets by hiring a retired boxer to be a greater. A high profile blogging geek name, but…well…what?

    Seriously, do you really think reading your blog gives a prospective employer a good reading on your skills and would allow that employer to find the right match for your…ummmm “skills”? By refusing to send me a resume my first thought would be… “what don’t you want me to know?”

  34. But your blog doesn’t tell me what you can do or have done. All it does is tell me what you think and that you know how to surf the internet. Heck, even pointers to Channel 9 doesn’t tell me what you can do, or that you know how to think strategically, or that you can manage your time well, or that you can solve problems. All the Channel 9 links tell me is that you barely know how to use a camera and that you can kinda sorta interview people. It doesn’t even tell me if you were the one deciding who to interview. All I get from your blog is…well..nothing really from the standpoint of can you do a particular job. In fact if I go primarily from your blog I see someone who is very defensive when the heat is on. Can’t take criticism very well. Has trouble prioritizing his work. I’m unclear on whether your employers work is more important than your blog based on many of your past posts (“Way behind on my channel 9 duties…way behind on email…bla bla bla). I have no idea what your skills are other than you can name drop and,again, surf the internet and well, apparently know Dave Winer, whatever that buys me as an employee.

    It would seem the value I would get from hiring you based on your blog would be the same value a casino gets by hiring a retired boxer to be a greater. A high profile blogging geek name, but…well…what?

    Seriously, do you really think reading your blog gives a prospective employer a good reading on your skills and would allow that employer to find the right match for your…ummmm “skills”? By refusing to send me a resume my first thought would be… “what don’t you want me to know?”

  35. Resumes should be just a given thing with people. It should be on your website, in your aim profile, wherever you interact with people. I use http://www.emurse.com to manage mine. It formats, hosts a subdomain, tracks hits and allows downloads in any format. It got a real slick interface and best of all, it’s free.

    Now my resume is part of the conversation. It’s a given in all my communications. You can see it at http://bill.emurse.com

    It’s who I am. It’s what I’m up to. I’m considering evolving it into a state of the union type living document. God Bless the Internet. =]

  36. Resumes should be just a given thing with people. It should be on your website, in your aim profile, wherever you interact with people. I use http://www.emurse.com to manage mine. It formats, hosts a subdomain, tracks hits and allows downloads in any format. It got a real slick interface and best of all, it’s free.

    Now my resume is part of the conversation. It’s a given in all my communications. You can see it at http://bill.emurse.com

    It’s who I am. It’s what I’m up to. I’m considering evolving it into a state of the union type living document. God Bless the Internet. =]

  37. I have never run into a situation where I didn’t have to provide a resume, even when colleagues have gotten me the job. Why? Because there are multiple people interviewing me, and it is nice to have some kind of background on a person before talking to them. On the other hand, I’ve had to interview a couple of folks without resumes, and it comes down to “So, what kind of projects have you worked on?” I really don’t like those situations because the interview lacks a narrative without seeing how a person’s career has progressed.
    And in no way, shape, or form would I consider a blog to suffice in absence of resume, CV, or other in case that’s where you are going with this post.

  38. I have never run into a situation where I didn’t have to provide a resume, even when colleagues have gotten me the job. Why? Because there are multiple people interviewing me, and it is nice to have some kind of background on a person before talking to them. On the other hand, I’ve had to interview a couple of folks without resumes, and it comes down to “So, what kind of projects have you worked on?” I really don’t like those situations because the interview lacks a narrative without seeing how a person’s career has progressed.
    And in no way, shape, or form would I consider a blog to suffice in absence of resume, CV, or other in case that’s where you are going with this post.

  39. It does seem sort of prima donna-ish to play up the fact that, in some circles at least, you’re well-enough known that a resume is not necessary. I find the Yahoo recruiter’s “mistake” charming. While he probably should be a bit more rigorous in his pre-contact research, the end result was that he treated you like, you know, a person gets treated. Is that so bad?

    At the end of the day we’re all superstars to few and nobodies to most. Burning bridges with recruiters probably feels good right now in the wake of your new job, but who knows – maybe someday you’ll wish you had a nice in at Yahoo (I realize you probably do, regardless). Or that you hadn’t used your soapbox to celebrate the failure of somebody in this industry to cower at your webbiness. I’d err on the side of humility. It just feels better.

  40. It does seem sort of prima donna-ish to play up the fact that, in some circles at least, you’re well-enough known that a resume is not necessary. I find the Yahoo recruiter’s “mistake” charming. While he probably should be a bit more rigorous in his pre-contact research, the end result was that he treated you like, you know, a person gets treated. Is that so bad?

    At the end of the day we’re all superstars to few and nobodies to most. Burning bridges with recruiters probably feels good right now in the wake of your new job, but who knows – maybe someday you’ll wish you had a nice in at Yahoo (I realize you probably do, regardless). Or that you hadn’t used your soapbox to celebrate the failure of somebody in this industry to cower at your webbiness. I’d err on the side of humility. It just feels better.

  41. Your Blog is Not Your Resume…

    Conceptually, I like Robert Scoble. I have never met him, but I have seen him on video, heard his podcasts, and read his blog. That makes me as much an expert on him as the rest of the world who…

  42. Daniel: a recruiter that doesn’t Google/MSN/Yahoo his or her “mark” is just not doing his or her job properly anymore. At Microsoft the recruiters I hang out with tell me they search on everyone and get to know what they do online.

    You’re right about the hubris, though. I might need a job again someday. But, I hope I’ll always have the opportunity to work for clued in people who care about the people they are trying to hire more than the process that’ll keep them employed. But, that’s just me.

    Marketing Headhunter: you had a great post. Everyone should read it. It’s at http://www.marketingheadhunter.com/executive_search/2006/06/robert_scoble.html

    I disagree with it, though. My body of work is a lot more than what will show up on my resume. A resume doesn’t tell me much at all about who someone is and what real skills they have. Which is why they spend eight hours interviewing you after reading your resume at Microsoft.

    Dmad: you point out why you still need an interview. In an interview you could say “it looks like you do a lot of the videos, but I’m unclear on what you actually do, can you explain that?”

  43. Daniel: a recruiter that doesn’t Google/MSN/Yahoo his or her “mark” is just not doing his or her job properly anymore. At Microsoft the recruiters I hang out with tell me they search on everyone and get to know what they do online.

    You’re right about the hubris, though. I might need a job again someday. But, I hope I’ll always have the opportunity to work for clued in people who care about the people they are trying to hire more than the process that’ll keep them employed. But, that’s just me.

    Marketing Headhunter: you had a great post. Everyone should read it. It’s at http://www.marketingheadhunter.com/executive_search/2006/06/robert_scoble.html

    I disagree with it, though. My body of work is a lot more than what will show up on my resume. A resume doesn’t tell me much at all about who someone is and what real skills they have. Which is why they spend eight hours interviewing you after reading your resume at Microsoft.

    Dmad: you point out why you still need an interview. In an interview you could say “it looks like you do a lot of the videos, but I’m unclear on what you actually do, can you explain that?”

  44. It does seem sort of prima donna-ish to play up the fact that, in some circles at least, you’re well-enough known that a resume is not necessary.

    It is not being a prima donna if you’re the BEST IN THE WORLD!!1!!oneoneone!!eleventy!

  45. It does seem sort of prima donna-ish to play up the fact that, in some circles at least, you’re well-enough known that a resume is not necessary.

    It is not being a prima donna if you’re the BEST IN THE WORLD!!1!!oneoneone!!eleventy!

  46. Oh, and Wikipedia has the highlights of my career too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Scoble

    It was not easy task to assembly your early life section and it’s even more hard to do expirience one.

    There is still nothing in your Wikipedia article about your discount camera store (LZ Premiums) expirience.
    No college’s school newspaper info.
    Nothing at all about Fawcette and Winnov.

    Even more – there is way to figure your actual education.
    Is it Bachelors or Masters or you not graduated at all ( https://www.mainfunction.com/DotNetInAction/Technologies/display.aspx?ID=2862&TypeID=11 )
    “almost graduated, I still have one class left to complete”.

  47. Oh, and Wikipedia has the highlights of my career too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Scoble

    It was not easy task to assembly your early life section and it’s even more hard to do expirience one.

    There is still nothing in your Wikipedia article about your discount camera store (LZ Premiums) expirience.
    No college’s school newspaper info.
    Nothing at all about Fawcette and Winnov.

    Even more – there is way to figure your actual education.
    Is it Bachelors or Masters or you not graduated at all ( https://www.mainfunction.com/DotNetInAction/Technologies/display.aspx?ID=2862&TypeID=11 )
    “almost graduated, I still have one class left to complete”.

  48. I agree with you too — which is why I didn’t attack you personally. What I found troublesome was the possibility that your readers [who have a ton of well placed respect for you] would take your post at face value and say “Yeah, screw resumes. Scoble’s right. From now on I’m gonna let my work and my Google results speak for me.”

    As you know, it doesn’t work that way. I admit, a resume is like an X-ray: All it can show you is the patient’s career “bone structure,” and typically the maladies that will kill a candidate’s career don’t appear on a resume (drinking problems, fear of flying, abusive interpersonal style, etc.). That’s why there are interviews, reference checks, Google research, etc.

    But your readers mustn’t get the idea that resumes are on the way out. They are not, if only because companies rely on them so heaviliy for their executive pass-around value — especially in the early stages of a candidate’s hiring process. Perhaps they rely on them too heavily — and I think that was your beef to begin with.

  49. I agree with you too — which is why I didn’t attack you personally. What I found troublesome was the possibility that your readers [who have a ton of well placed respect for you] would take your post at face value and say “Yeah, screw resumes. Scoble’s right. From now on I’m gonna let my work and my Google results speak for me.”

    As you know, it doesn’t work that way. I admit, a resume is like an X-ray: All it can show you is the patient’s career “bone structure,” and typically the maladies that will kill a candidate’s career don’t appear on a resume (drinking problems, fear of flying, abusive interpersonal style, etc.). That’s why there are interviews, reference checks, Google research, etc.

    But your readers mustn’t get the idea that resumes are on the way out. They are not, if only because companies rely on them so heaviliy for their executive pass-around value — especially in the early stages of a candidate’s hiring process. Perhaps they rely on them too heavily — and I think that was your beef to begin with.

  50. Yahoo just wants the press they’ll get when Microsoft sues them like Google got when Google hired Kai-Fu Lee away from Microsoft. :)

  51. Yahoo just wants the press they’ll get when Microsoft sues them like Google got when Google hired Kai-Fu Lee away from Microsoft. :)

  52. Sadly enough the world is full of people with huge ego. I read this whole thread and found it ironic that many people supported this Mr. Scobleizer, whoever he might be.

    Not bother to search for his name, I only have this advice for Mr. Scobleizer: grow up! Regardless of your talent, you will find that a humble attitude would go a long way toward impressing many of your peers, a lot more than posting this blog (and its follow-ups, maybe?)

  53. Sadly enough the world is full of people with huge ego. I read this whole thread and found it ironic that many people supported this Mr. Scobleizer, whoever he might be.

    Not bother to search for his name, I only have this advice for Mr. Scobleizer: grow up! Regardless of your talent, you will find that a humble attitude would go a long way toward impressing many of your peers, a lot more than posting this blog (and its follow-ups, maybe?)

  54. Uh, you may be the top story on all the tech news sites, but maybe this is just a reminder to stay humble. I guess being “internet famous” isn’t the same as being Brad Pitt.
    Just my two cents.

  55. Uh, you may be the top story on all the tech news sites, but maybe this is just a reminder to stay humble. I guess being “internet famous” isn’t the same as being Brad Pitt.
    Just my two cents.

  56. Rather, don’t give zawodny the recruiter’s name/email. It’s none of his business and all he will do is cry and complain, as usual, to no result, as usual. This wannabe, self-styled “troublemaker” doesn’t need any more fodder for his little whinefest. Someone should remind him that his 15 minutes are over.

  57. Rather, don’t give zawodny the recruiter’s name/email. It’s none of his business and all he will do is cry and complain, as usual, to no result, as usual. This wannabe, self-styled “troublemaker” doesn’t need any more fodder for his little whinefest. Someone should remind him that his 15 minutes are over.

  58. Wow…ever heard of humility? I wouldn’t be so smug considering you could very well be out of a job next year or even a few months from now. Future employers are reading this and judging you based on your huge ego.

  59. Wow…ever heard of humility? I wouldn’t be so smug considering you could very well be out of a job next year or even a few months from now. Future employers are reading this and judging you based on your huge ego.

  60. Angel, the person who wrote the first resume was also told he/she was egotistical enough to brag about their achievements…if you have seen some resumes you know what I mean …not just inflated, some with lies…Scoble has been pushing for tranparency in many aspects of business – why not in recruiting too? … about ego, Scoble himself says he can be snarky jerk (his words above)…not really that big a ego, I would say…

  61. Angel, the person who wrote the first resume was also told he/she was egotistical enough to brag about their achievements…if you have seen some resumes you know what I mean …not just inflated, some with lies…Scoble has been pushing for tranparency in many aspects of business – why not in recruiting too? … about ego, Scoble himself says he can be snarky jerk (his words above)…not really that big a ego, I would say…

  62. What was the point of this posting? Why humiliate the Yahoo recruiter or burn that bridge?

    And writing “it gets even funnier. He just asked “where are you going?” very much comes across as a “don’t you know who I am” statement.

    Admitting to snarky jerk behavior doesn’t lessen the impact of the behavior.

  63. What was the point of this posting? Why humiliate the Yahoo recruiter or burn that bridge?

    And writing “it gets even funnier. He just asked “where are you going?” very much comes across as a “don’t you know who I am” statement.

    Admitting to snarky jerk behavior doesn’t lessen the impact of the behavior.

  64. [...] Following my post on Resume 2.0, Robert Scoble posts that the resume is dead! (Ok I have taken some poetic license here.) A recruiter from Yahoo has been courting him for a few months now, but continually wants a resume. One of the emails is from a Yahoo recruiter who has been talking with me on and off for the past few months. He keeps bugging me to send him a resume. He told me why a resume is needed, cause it’ll help him find me a job that’s a good fit for both of us. [...]

  65. Each company could have people who refuses to do their homework, nothing new to that. “Don’t burn the bridge” was sound advice.

    Such people may also think if they kept banging your door you may eventually open it unless you call 911-remember ‘Buddy Fox’? we never know, they could have their own success stories to tell you.

  66. Each company could have people who refuses to do their homework, nothing new to that. “Don’t burn the bridge” was sound advice.

    Such people may also think if they kept banging your door you may eventually open it unless you call 911-remember ‘Buddy Fox’? we never know, they could have their own success stories to tell you.

  67. #28. Fair point about the interview. However, if you are saying “if you want to know about me read my blog”, as a potetial employer I see some red flags that may not even elicit an interiew. Do I want a guy that appears to not be able to manage his time well and has trouble prioritizing?

  68. #28. Fair point about the interview. However, if you are saying “if you want to know about me read my blog”, as a potetial employer I see some red flags that may not even elicit an interiew. Do I want a guy that appears to not be able to manage his time well and has trouble prioritizing?

  69. Wow, this has been one of the more interesting threads I have read on any topic lately. I think that a resume is just a tool. If you dont need that particular tool to get the job, good for you. If a company requires one be sent, then you get to decide if the process dies or moves forward. The world is changing, and maybe resumes will go away…or more likely they will morph into something a little different than we know them today. Either way, a resume cannot get you the job, it can just keep you from getting interviewed. (I have a friend who did not get an interview because a recruiter AND an employee of the company forwarded the same resume to HR the same day. The HR person said “any time I get a resume more than once the candidate is eliminated”. This just proves that people have their own quirky opinions of how to screen a candidate once they get a resume…and you have no control over it!).

  70. Wow, this has been one of the more interesting threads I have read on any topic lately. I think that a resume is just a tool. If you dont need that particular tool to get the job, good for you. If a company requires one be sent, then you get to decide if the process dies or moves forward. The world is changing, and maybe resumes will go away…or more likely they will morph into something a little different than we know them today. Either way, a resume cannot get you the job, it can just keep you from getting interviewed. (I have a friend who did not get an interview because a recruiter AND an employee of the company forwarded the same resume to HR the same day. The HR person said “any time I get a resume more than once the candidate is eliminated”. This just proves that people have their own quirky opinions of how to screen a candidate once they get a resume…and you have no control over it!).

  71. what cote said:

    http://www.redmonk.com/cote/archives/2006/03/linkedin_the_ca.html

    >>>
    Profile as Resume

    I’d like to see LinkedIn make this happen: instead of sending a resume to a company, I’d send a LinkedIn URL. (And, no, I’m not looking for a job, it’s just an example)

    I’ve typed up all my crap into LinkedIn, I have some lovely, kind recommendations from former co-workers, and my LinkedIn page better represents who I am than a resume ever could: web pages have links! In fact, my resume is just cut-and-pasted from LinkedIn. Resumes suck. Web-pages are much more rich.

  72. what cote said:

    http://www.redmonk.com/cote/archives/2006/03/linkedin_the_ca.html

    >>>
    Profile as Resume

    I’d like to see LinkedIn make this happen: instead of sending a resume to a company, I’d send a LinkedIn URL. (And, no, I’m not looking for a job, it’s just an example)

    I’ve typed up all my crap into LinkedIn, I have some lovely, kind recommendations from former co-workers, and my LinkedIn page better represents who I am than a resume ever could: web pages have links! In fact, my resume is just cut-and-pasted from LinkedIn. Resumes suck. Web-pages are much more rich.

  73. [...] Shannon’s Take:  Honestly, Guy’s list is a bit more traditional than I thought it was going to be. As part of #2, Guy talks about what he calls the 1/2/3 Rule of Resumes. The ‘1′ being the one page resume. Some think that the need for resumes may be on the way out. If 1 page paper resumes were going down anywhere – I would have thought that it would be in the Valley. Of course if you have no resume, what are you going to hand your 20 interviewers while running the Google-type interview gauntlet? [...]

  74. [...] For candidates, even having a resume has become an issue. Some of the biggest talents are quiet working professional who haven’t had a resume in years. Others would much rather sit down with a recruiter and talk about what they’re looking for instead of being reduced to some facts on a sheet of a paper: “…a Yahoo recruiter who has been talking with me on and off for the past few months…keeps bugging me to send him a resume. He told me why a resume is needed, cause it’ll help him find me a job that’s a good fit for both of us. I just wrote him back and said ‘I just took a job that didn’t require a resume, sorry.’” (From Scobleizer) [...]

  75. Take a look at today’s WSJ. Even those notable people, some of whom had Bill, Steve, Larry & Sergei in hot pursuit, provided a resume when I asked. NO attitude about it. Yes, I always search the web first, but sometimes need an up to date resume for practical purposes. Our senior execs like to know something about the people I ask them to meet, like where they have worked before and what they have accomplished. They might not all know everything about you. (I know, hard to believe ;-))Think you are being a bit harsh here.

  76. Take a look at today’s WSJ. Even those notable people, some of whom had Bill, Steve, Larry & Sergei in hot pursuit, provided a resume when I asked. NO attitude about it. Yes, I always search the web first, but sometimes need an up to date resume for practical purposes. Our senior execs like to know something about the people I ask them to meet, like where they have worked before and what they have accomplished. They might not all know everything about you. (I know, hard to believe ;-))Think you are being a bit harsh here.

  77. Hmm… My guess is that Yahoo is no longer interested in Scoble’s resume. Now, I sure would like to figure out how to get them to want MY resume… :-) !

    bob wyman
    (Resume available on request)

  78. Hmm… My guess is that Yahoo is no longer interested in Scoble’s resume. Now, I sure would like to figure out how to get them to want MY resume… :-) !

    bob wyman
    (Resume available on request)

  79. [...] Reality check number eight: You are competing with your whole graduating year for the best available job, so why would you do the same things they are doing? Come up with creative alternatives to tired and conventional job searching. You might try blogging for a job. Using your new identity of course, blog about your thesis, blog about your ambitions, blog about your targeted employer. Make your blog your resume! Send invitations out to whoever it is that you want to attract and get them to visit your blog, visit you! [...]

  80. I think many interesting points have been raised here. Resumes, CV, LinkedIn, Google, Blogs, etc. are ALL excellent ways to market yourself and/or even give potential employers a window into your skills. However, none of them alone will land you a job. You still need to interview in person.

    If you are requesting that Resumes go the way of the 8-track, then you are also potentially opening yourself up to a world of discrimination and recruiter opinion. If you rely solely on the internet and blogging, when I get information about your name I COULD see the same things others have seen “someone who is very defensive when the heat is on. Can’t take criticism very well. Has trouble prioritizing his work”, etc. Where a resume/CV could get you through the door or even initiate phone contact. Obviously live phone contact or in person interviews are where the potential employer will gain the best access to your skills and potential within their organization.

    One thing many of you have overlooked is the time required by HR to “look into” every applicant or potential applicant’s background. If a recruiter is working on 20+ jobs w/ 100′s of potential applicants, there just isn’t enough time in the day to accomplish that. Not with also keeping time to fill in the picture with looking at quality of hire.

    Just some thoughts, thanks for listening!

  81. I think many interesting points have been raised here. Resumes, CV, LinkedIn, Google, Blogs, etc. are ALL excellent ways to market yourself and/or even give potential employers a window into your skills. However, none of them alone will land you a job. You still need to interview in person.

    If you are requesting that Resumes go the way of the 8-track, then you are also potentially opening yourself up to a world of discrimination and recruiter opinion. If you rely solely on the internet and blogging, when I get information about your name I COULD see the same things others have seen “someone who is very defensive when the heat is on. Can’t take criticism very well. Has trouble prioritizing his work”, etc. Where a resume/CV could get you through the door or even initiate phone contact. Obviously live phone contact or in person interviews are where the potential employer will gain the best access to your skills and potential within their organization.

    One thing many of you have overlooked is the time required by HR to “look into” every applicant or potential applicant’s background. If a recruiter is working on 20+ jobs w/ 100′s of potential applicants, there just isn’t enough time in the day to accomplish that. Not with also keeping time to fill in the picture with looking at quality of hire.

    Just some thoughts, thanks for listening!

  82. It would be great if we could totally ignore the way the world does things that we do not like, but we really cannot do that. What you can do is blog like you do, invent new ways to advertise yourself, and gradually change things. However, the days of the resume are not over, and if I were job hunting, I would compose that resume, write that cover letter, network with people in the realms in which I wanted work. You can still play your game, but you can also ensure that you have played into all arenas by keeping that resume on hand. Ya never know. And I agree with the other comments that hubris goes a long way. Did you know that the number one thing that gets people hired is chemistry upon meeting in person or even via other media? So my opinion—you have to do it all, from “old age” resume writing to “new age” Internet blogs. One thing I have to say for you is that you are persistent and also a creative thinker.
    KK

  83. It would be great if we could totally ignore the way the world does things that we do not like, but we really cannot do that. What you can do is blog like you do, invent new ways to advertise yourself, and gradually change things. However, the days of the resume are not over, and if I were job hunting, I would compose that resume, write that cover letter, network with people in the realms in which I wanted work. You can still play your game, but you can also ensure that you have played into all arenas by keeping that resume on hand. Ya never know. And I agree with the other comments that hubris goes a long way. Did you know that the number one thing that gets people hired is chemistry upon meeting in person or even via other media? So my opinion—you have to do it all, from “old age” resume writing to “new age” Internet blogs. One thing I have to say for you is that you are persistent and also a creative thinker.
    KK

  84. [...] I came across this article My Blog Is My Resume ar ERE.net by Dave Lefkow that I thought was very interesting. The article talks a little bit about how blogs are becoming increasingly relevant to recruiters…and resumes are becoming irrelevant. This is more true in the tech industry than other industries-but more and more people are starting to blog in all industries. Most recruiters will “Google” a prospective employee to see what they find–if you are that candidate, wouldn’t you rather they find your blog, which provides some insight into your method of thinking, than your myspace profile or some other article mentioning you that was written by someone else? The post was inspired by this blog post by Robert Scoble, where Robert mentioned that a Yahoo! recruiter was hounding him for a resume…but he took a job at PodTech that didn’t require one. Many great candidates are ones that won’t necessarily be applying for a job. The most interesting piece of the article was actually one of the reviews: We’ve hired two people fresh out of college in the past 4 months that we found through their blogs – one didn’t even have a formal resume. Frankly, he didn’t need one. A blog trumps a resume every single time. [...]

  85. One very big setback is that emurse.com doesn’t have spell checker. Make sure you don’t have any typing/spelling misstakes on your resume or otherwise your resume will finish in garbage bin of HR manager.

    Check out http://www.getresume.com for certified resume templates and Europass CV, official format which is used in EU. You can write your resume or CV in English, French and Spanish.

  86. One very big setback is that emurse.com doesn’t have spell checker. Make sure you don’t have any typing/spelling misstakes on your resume or otherwise your resume will finish in garbage bin of HR manager.

    Check out http://www.getresume.com for certified resume templates and Europass CV, official format which is used in EU. You can write your resume or CV in English, French and Spanish.

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