I was hanging out on the AVSForum the other day and saw several posts from people who said that in their comparisons HD-DVD is far superior to BlueRay tests.
Today those posts are getting reported in CentreDaily.
See how the grassroots could be changing popular opinion?
This is why I told Steve Ballmer to come to the grassroots and explain his leadership there first before heading to the mainstream press and analysts.
He didn’t take my advice, which is OK. But neither did Sony (or Google) and this isn’t the last article you’ll see like the one in CentreDaily.
One fun aside. Last night at my party I got a lot of questions about my HD-DVD. So I put on a movie. The consensus? One guy said it looked better than the movie theater did.
I agree. But first we need to see a second-generation player so I can recommend everyone get it (the Toshiba has a couple of deep flaws including a slow startup time and a huge-ass remote control that I can’t read in the dark).
Astroturfing is alive and well, when there is so much money at stake you have to wonder.
Astroturfing is alive and well, when there is so much money at stake you have to wonder.
Astroturfing is alive and well, when there is so much money at stake you have to wonder.
It was my understanding that one of the key differences moving forward between the two formats (besides the fact that HD-DVD is using a much better codec) is that there are DRM provisions built in to the HD-DVD spec that will allow for the copying of the contents on to a home network where it can be re-disttibuted throughout the house for viewing without need of scratching up the DVD as it goes from room to room (had just written this up lately http://www.mikeysgblog.com/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=24 ). Blue Ray I had thought was not going to allow this (Sony being a content provider as well has a vested interest in having one device/one copy). Has this changed or is it still the same situation. If so then moving forward I can see this being a big sell for HD-DVD. I for one would love to not have my kids handling the DVD (my 8 year old is murder on disks). With home networking becoming the norm and the whole digital eHome vision becoming a reality I can see that being a real driving force in the format war.
Okay time to get off the PC and the digital world and out into the real one.
It was my understanding that one of the key differences moving forward between the two formats (besides the fact that HD-DVD is using a much better codec) is that there are DRM provisions built in to the HD-DVD spec that will allow for the copying of the contents on to a home network where it can be re-disttibuted throughout the house for viewing without need of scratching up the DVD as it goes from room to room (had just written this up lately http://www.mikeysgblog.com/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=24 ). Blue Ray I had thought was not going to allow this (Sony being a content provider as well has a vested interest in having one device/one copy). Has this changed or is it still the same situation. If so then moving forward I can see this being a big sell for HD-DVD. I for one would love to not have my kids handling the DVD (my 8 year old is murder on disks). With home networking becoming the norm and the whole digital eHome vision becoming a reality I can see that being a real driving force in the format war.
Okay time to get off the PC and the digital world and out into the real one.
It was my understanding that one of the key differences moving forward between the two formats (besides the fact that HD-DVD is using a much better codec) is that there are DRM provisions built in to the HD-DVD spec that will allow for the copying of the contents on to a home network where it can be re-disttibuted throughout the house for viewing without need of scratching up the DVD as it goes from room to room (had just written this up lately http://www.mikeysgblog.com/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=24 ). Blue Ray I had thought was not going to allow this (Sony being a content provider as well has a vested interest in having one device/one copy). Has this changed or is it still the same situation. If so then moving forward I can see this being a big sell for HD-DVD. I for one would love to not have my kids handling the DVD (my 8 year old is murder on disks). With home networking becoming the norm and the whole digital eHome vision becoming a reality I can see that being a real driving force in the format war.
Okay time to get off the PC and the digital world and out into the real one.
>How do you know they are being spiffed?
Because they told me. Also, I worked retail in a consumer electronics store and I know that manufacturers regularly give employees a little gift, often money, sometimes other things, for selling their products. That practice has been going on for more than 20 years and hasn’t changed.
>How do you know they are being spiffed?
Because they told me. Also, I worked retail in a consumer electronics store and I know that manufacturers regularly give employees a little gift, often money, sometimes other things, for selling their products. That practice has been going on for more than 20 years and hasn’t changed.
>How do you know they are being spiffed?
Because they told me. Also, I worked retail in a consumer electronics store and I know that manufacturers regularly give employees a little gift, often money, sometimes other things, for selling their products. That practice has been going on for more than 20 years and hasn’t changed.
Sony’s sales reps are very aggressive at courting retailers like Best Buy. The reps visit frequently, talk up their products and even give small freebies. It’s no surprise to me that they’re towing Sony’s company line. It’s sort of like being in the “in” crowd.
Sony’s sales reps are very aggressive at courting retailers like Best Buy. The reps visit frequently, talk up their products and even give small freebies. It’s no surprise to me that they’re towing Sony’s company line. It’s sort of like being in the “in” crowd.
Sony’s sales reps are very aggressive at courting retailers like Best Buy. The reps visit frequently, talk up their products and even give small freebies. It’s no surprise to me that they’re towing Sony’s company line. It’s sort of like being in the “in” crowd.
One other point to keep in mind when reading AVS. There have been ferocious fights there over HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray for at least two years. The key player in the pro HD-DVD side of the argument has been Amir Majidimehr, a VP at Microsoft in charge of its contribution to HD-DVD. He literally posts dozens of times a week and has been very successful in promoting the MS/HD-DVD agenda.
Not exactly the “grassroots.” More like the astroturf.
One other point to keep in mind when reading AVS. There have been ferocious fights there over HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray for at least two years. The key player in the pro HD-DVD side of the argument has been Amir Majidimehr, a VP at Microsoft in charge of its contribution to HD-DVD. He literally posts dozens of times a week and has been very successful in promoting the MS/HD-DVD agenda.
Not exactly the “grassroots.” More like the astroturf.
One other point to keep in mind when reading AVS. There have been ferocious fights there over HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray for at least two years. The key player in the pro HD-DVD side of the argument has been Amir Majidimehr, a VP at Microsoft in charge of its contribution to HD-DVD. He literally posts dozens of times a week and has been very successful in promoting the MS/HD-DVD agenda.
Not exactly the “grassroots.” More like the astroturf.
Smokey: that’s NOT astroturf. Astroturf is when he does it and you don’t know who he is. Personally I wish more people cared about the products and services they build to do some evangelism of them.
Smokey: that’s NOT astroturf. Astroturf is when he does it and you don’t know who he is. Personally I wish more people cared about the products and services they build to do some evangelism of them.
Smokey: that’s NOT astroturf. Astroturf is when he does it and you don’t know who he is. Personally I wish more people cared about the products and services they build to do some evangelism of them.
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The key player in the pro HD-DVD side of the argument has been Amir Majidimehr, a VP at Microsoft in charge of its contribution to HD-DVD.”
That explains a lot.
Personally I feel AVS Forums : Media tech :: Kotaku : Gaming
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The key player in the pro HD-DVD side of the argument has been Amir Majidimehr, a VP at Microsoft in charge of its contribution to HD-DVD.”
That explains a lot.
Personally I feel AVS Forums : Media tech :: Kotaku : Gaming
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The key player in the pro HD-DVD side of the argument has been Amir Majidimehr, a VP at Microsoft in charge of its contribution to HD-DVD.”
That explains a lot.
Personally I feel AVS Forums : Media tech :: Kotaku : Gaming
Dude, stop smoking the smack here. HD-DVD is a dead duck already. Grassroots is pale in comparison to CONTENT CREATORS. Hollywood is all BluRay, so you can talk tech turkey, picture looks and DRM protests all the live long day, ain’t gonna matter one iota. Stop always being on the wrong side of history; one more weak defense of HD-DVD and someone’s gonna chart you off to the loony farm.
But the fight is killing one major thing: customers.
Yeah, watched the whole Amir Majidimehr saga with glee — Microsoft’s behind it, I mean, what better way to sink it. You are no longer a Microsoft employee you are free to think for yourself. What a trainwreck with Mini tho, geesh.
Dude, stop smoking the smack here. HD-DVD is a dead duck already. Grassroots is pale in comparison to CONTENT CREATORS. Hollywood is all BluRay, so you can talk tech turkey, picture looks and DRM protests all the live long day, ain’t gonna matter one iota. Stop always being on the wrong side of history; one more weak defense of HD-DVD and someone’s gonna chart you off to the loony farm.
But the fight is killing one major thing: customers.
Yeah, watched the whole Amir Majidimehr saga with glee — Microsoft’s behind it, I mean, what better way to sink it. You are no longer a Microsoft employee you are free to think for yourself. What a trainwreck with Mini tho, geesh.
Dude, stop smoking the smack here. HD-DVD is a dead duck already. Grassroots is pale in comparison to CONTENT CREATORS. Hollywood is all BluRay, so you can talk tech turkey, picture looks and DRM protests all the live long day, ain’t gonna matter one iota. Stop always being on the wrong side of history; one more weak defense of HD-DVD and someone’s gonna chart you off to the loony farm.
But the fight is killing one major thing: customers.
Yeah, watched the whole Amir Majidimehr saga with glee — Microsoft’s behind it, I mean, what better way to sink it. You are no longer a Microsoft employee you are free to think for yourself. What a trainwreck with Mini tho, geesh.
“Smokey: that’s NOT astroturf.” Fair enough, but it’s definitely not “grassroots,” and wasn’t that what your entire original post was about? Take what you read on forums with a grain of salt. There are NO disinterested parties when it comes to something like this.
“Smokey: that’s NOT astroturf.” Fair enough, but it’s definitely not “grassroots,” and wasn’t that what your entire original post was about? Take what you read on forums with a grain of salt. There are NO disinterested parties when it comes to something like this.
“Smokey: that’s NOT astroturf.” Fair enough, but it’s definitely not “grassroots,” and wasn’t that what your entire original post was about? Take what you read on forums with a grain of salt. There are NO disinterested parties when it comes to something like this.
Scoble, just plunk down some money for a Logitech Harmony remote. One even has XBox buttons.
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/detailsharmony/US/EN,CRID=2084,CONTENTID=11250
Scoble, just plunk down some money for a Logitech Harmony remote. One even has XBox buttons.
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/detailsharmony/US/EN,CRID=2084,CONTENTID=11250
Scoble, just plunk down some money for a Logitech Harmony remote. One even has XBox buttons.
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/detailsharmony/US/EN,CRID=2084,CONTENTID=11250
@Robert Scoble
“Personally I wish more people cared about the products and services they build to do some evangelism of them.”
I think that’s called conflict of interest.
On the other hand, another hack magazine took a survey of 1200 devs and guess who came out on top, Visual Studio. And Eclipse was last. You could post that I guess. Of course noone knows who these 1200 script kiddies were. Maybe more people evangalizing about the “products and services” they built.
@Robert Scoble
“Personally I wish more people cared about the products and services they build to do some evangelism of them.”
I think that’s called conflict of interest.
On the other hand, another hack magazine took a survey of 1200 devs and guess who came out on top, Visual Studio. And Eclipse was last. You could post that I guess. Of course noone knows who these 1200 script kiddies were. Maybe more people evangalizing about the “products and services” they built.
@Robert Scoble
“Personally I wish more people cared about the products and services they build to do some evangelism of them.”
I think that’s called conflict of interest.
On the other hand, another hack magazine took a survey of 1200 devs and guess who came out on top, Visual Studio. And Eclipse was last. You could post that I guess. Of course noone knows who these 1200 script kiddies were. Maybe more people evangalizing about the “products and services” they built.
Robert, you might like http://www.thedvdwars.com/ . This site uses several metrics to compare the relative success of HD-DVD and Blu-ray. The metrics are all derived from data supplied by Amazon (disclaimer: that’s my employer).
Robert, you might like http://www.thedvdwars.com/ . This site uses several metrics to compare the relative success of HD-DVD and Blu-ray. The metrics are all derived from data supplied by Amazon (disclaimer: that’s my employer).
Robert, you might like http://www.thedvdwars.com/ . This site uses several metrics to compare the relative success of HD-DVD and Blu-ray. The metrics are all derived from data supplied by Amazon (disclaimer: that’s my employer).
I don’t know, I’ve moved over to the digital arena. I don’t even watch TV anymore. I made the error of getting a lot of dvds when the format came out a few years ago. Have you ever looked at those old dvds? The compressing is really bad.
I don’t know, I’ve moved over to the digital arena. I don’t even watch TV anymore. I made the error of getting a lot of dvds when the format came out a few years ago. Have you ever looked at those old dvds? The compressing is really bad.
I don’t know, I’ve moved over to the digital arena. I don’t even watch TV anymore. I made the error of getting a lot of dvds when the format came out a few years ago. Have you ever looked at those old dvds? The compressing is really bad.
I also lurk on the avsforum and I have to agree that the general early adopter consensus is that the first generation release advantage is clearly to HD DVD.
It’s a brutally hot topic, but most agree that the first HD DVD releases on the first $500 Toshiba player looks fantastic and the first BR releases on the $1000 Samsung don’t look quite as good. The primary reason is that the BR are using the older MPEG 2 codec versus AVS or VC1 and that there have been production problems with the dual layer BR disks. Even the staunchest Blu Ray backers generally admit that even as they hope for better BR titles and hardware in the future.
The bottom line, is that the first generation HD DVD picture is superb and currently better than the twice more expensive first generation BR player.
That may change in the future, but most of the AVS crowd, (150,000 registered members, average 3-5000 online at any one time on forums) are very representative of the enthusiast crowd and most of the discussions are not “fanboy” but pretty intelligent. Although, the HD DVD vs BR debate has gotten a bit emotional at times.
you can check out the BR and HD DVD forums on http://www.avsforum.com if you want to check it out for yourself.
I also lurk on the avsforum and I have to agree that the general early adopter consensus is that the first generation release advantage is clearly to HD DVD.
It’s a brutally hot topic, but most agree that the first HD DVD releases on the first $500 Toshiba player looks fantastic and the first BR releases on the $1000 Samsung don’t look quite as good. The primary reason is that the BR are using the older MPEG 2 codec versus AVS or VC1 and that there have been production problems with the dual layer BR disks. Even the staunchest Blu Ray backers generally admit that even as they hope for better BR titles and hardware in the future.
The bottom line, is that the first generation HD DVD picture is superb and currently better than the twice more expensive first generation BR player.
That may change in the future, but most of the AVS crowd, (150,000 registered members, average 3-5000 online at any one time on forums) are very representative of the enthusiast crowd and most of the discussions are not “fanboy” but pretty intelligent. Although, the HD DVD vs BR debate has gotten a bit emotional at times.
you can check out the BR and HD DVD forums on http://www.avsforum.com if you want to check it out for yourself.
I also lurk on the avsforum and I have to agree that the general early adopter consensus is that the first generation release advantage is clearly to HD DVD.
It’s a brutally hot topic, but most agree that the first HD DVD releases on the first $500 Toshiba player looks fantastic and the first BR releases on the $1000 Samsung don’t look quite as good. The primary reason is that the BR are using the older MPEG 2 codec versus AVS or VC1 and that there have been production problems with the dual layer BR disks. Even the staunchest Blu Ray backers generally admit that even as they hope for better BR titles and hardware in the future.
The bottom line, is that the first generation HD DVD picture is superb and currently better than the twice more expensive first generation BR player.
That may change in the future, but most of the AVS crowd, (150,000 registered members, average 3-5000 online at any one time on forums) are very representative of the enthusiast crowd and most of the discussions are not “fanboy” but pretty intelligent. Although, the HD DVD vs BR debate has gotten a bit emotional at times.
you can check out the BR and HD DVD forums on http://www.avsforum.com if you want to check it out for yourself.
@Kosty
And if you go to the Code Project site, 100% of the people there say .Net is better than Perl, PHP, Java etc. VS Studio is better than Eclipse.
@Kosty
And if you go to the Code Project site, 100% of the people there say .Net is better than Perl, PHP, Java etc. VS Studio is better than Eclipse.
@Kosty
And if you go to the Code Project site, 100% of the people there say .Net is better than Perl, PHP, Java etc. VS Studio is better than Eclipse.
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I firmly believe the battle for next-gen dvd won’t be fought in the living room, but at our computers. Whichever format is first to market with consumer drives will score points. Whichever format is most robust on computers in the early days will score points. Whichever format costs less per drive and per recordable disk will score points. Also, consumers listen to their techie friends and respect their opinions. Sure there are thousands of people who will impulse buy one format or other, but with price tags this big, most people will do research. Asking for opinions from neutral parties is often a big one.
Honestly, if you’re a consumer you can wait a year or two and buy a dual format home theater player which could be overpriced and still deliver a bargain compared to 2 individual players. In that much time, either the disks will mature (I’m quite upset to read that a handful of reviewed blu-ray movies are not up to snuff, or not much of a difference from already available dvd copies) and a clear visual advantage may appear, or the techies will have decided which format is god. The options for disk usage make this format war very different from the betamax vhs war.
I firmly believe the battle for next-gen dvd won’t be fought in the living room, but at our computers. Whichever format is first to market with consumer drives will score points. Whichever format is most robust on computers in the early days will score points. Whichever format costs less per drive and per recordable disk will score points. Also, consumers listen to their techie friends and respect their opinions. Sure there are thousands of people who will impulse buy one format or other, but with price tags this big, most people will do research. Asking for opinions from neutral parties is often a big one.
Honestly, if you’re a consumer you can wait a year or two and buy a dual format home theater player which could be overpriced and still deliver a bargain compared to 2 individual players. In that much time, either the disks will mature (I’m quite upset to read that a handful of reviewed blu-ray movies are not up to snuff, or not much of a difference from already available dvd copies) and a clear visual advantage may appear, or the techies will have decided which format is god. The options for disk usage make this format war very different from the betamax vhs war.
I firmly believe the battle for next-gen dvd won’t be fought in the living room, but at our computers. Whichever format is first to market with consumer drives will score points. Whichever format is most robust on computers in the early days will score points. Whichever format costs less per drive and per recordable disk will score points. Also, consumers listen to their techie friends and respect their opinions. Sure there are thousands of people who will impulse buy one format or other, but with price tags this big, most people will do research. Asking for opinions from neutral parties is often a big one.
Honestly, if you’re a consumer you can wait a year or two and buy a dual format home theater player which could be overpriced and still deliver a bargain compared to 2 individual players. In that much time, either the disks will mature (I’m quite upset to read that a handful of reviewed blu-ray movies are not up to snuff, or not much of a difference from already available dvd copies) and a clear visual advantage may appear, or the techies will have decided which format is god. The options for disk usage make this format war very different from the betamax vhs war.
The jury is still out on whether one format is better than the other. Keep in mind that work is under way to develop players that will handle both formats. If that’s the case, then this whole format war may already be over.