Microsoft still clueless with Zune?

Paul Colligan says that Zune (Microsoft’s unreleased new portable media player to compete with Apple’s iPod) has no podcasting features and points that out to me.

Sad that Microsoft still isn’t getting that big-company power will come from letting your customers participate, not just consume. It’s funny, cause some parts of Microsoft are getting it (the Windows Live Writer editor demonstrates that).

What’s funny is that Paul says this makes Zune great for kids. Hmmm, you should have seen what Patrick listened to all week long on our off-the-grid thing last week — Podcasts.

I hope that Microsoft is holding back some podcasting stuff for announcing at launch. But, I won’t be suprised if they don’t get it, either. At least Apple got on the podcasting consumption bus more than a year ago. It’ll be interesting to see which company gets on the podcasting creation bus first.

89 thoughts on “Microsoft still clueless with Zune?

  1. If the the Zune can’t play podcst, Microsoft is in big trouble. The ipod can be killed but not the podcasts. Ipod is own by Apple and podcasts are owned by people… This is a really big difference.

  2. If the the Zune can’t play podcst, Microsoft is in big trouble. The ipod can be killed but not the podcasts. Ipod is own by Apple and podcasts are owned by people… This is a really big difference.

  3. If the the Zune can’t play podcst, Microsoft is in big trouble. The ipod can be killed but not the podcasts. Ipod is own by Apple and podcasts are owned by people… This is a really big difference.

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  5. If Apple wants to corner the fad market, that’s fine by me. If I wanted a fad-friendly device, I would’ve followed the style-crazed crowd years ago and bought an iPod. I’d rather have actual geek advancements, such as wirelessly beaming music to and from my MCE. That would mean a lot more than me than participating in the latest craze.

  6. If Apple wants to corner the fad market, that’s fine by me. If I wanted a fad-friendly device, I would’ve followed the style-crazed crowd years ago and bought an iPod. I’d rather have actual geek advancements, such as wirelessly beaming music to and from my MCE. That would mean a lot more than me than participating in the latest craze.

  7. Not having podcast DL ability IS INDICATIVE of the cluelessness of Microsoft when it comes to consumers.

    Like their announcemebt today of loading music videos onto the Zune … that is something I’m sure the marketing had weeks of meetings and are high fiving each other when NO ONE bothered to ask – do consumers want pre-loaded content?

    Isn’t the reason people stopped listening to the radio because people only wanted to listen to their music?

    But now there will be how many GB of artists that person who bought the Zune could care about? Mariah? Hiliary Duff? green Day? Garth Brooks?

    Isn’t this EXACTLY like buying a PC and having to spend an hour deleting crap?

    But this is just another in a LONG LINE history of Microsoft’s cluelessness when it comes to consumers … there’s NOTHING wrong in being brilliant at selling to enterprise – but how many hundred of BILLIONS will MS spend on a consumer marketplace that barely cares? And it’s no isolated trend – it’s 10 years running now. After Win95, MS’s lineup is a sad commentary on their cluelessness – each backed by at least a multi-million comapiagn and the marketing dept swearing it will be massive (Talking barney, webTV, home networking, watch OS, tablet PC, media pC, etc, etc …)

    (The Xbox Team has spent $400 on each machine they’ve sold so far … nice math … such a great success, MS is spending $40 billion to prop up Ballmer’s stock).

  8. Not having podcast DL ability IS INDICATIVE of the cluelessness of Microsoft when it comes to consumers.

    Like their announcemebt today of loading music videos onto the Zune … that is something I’m sure the marketing had weeks of meetings and are high fiving each other when NO ONE bothered to ask – do consumers want pre-loaded content?

    Isn’t the reason people stopped listening to the radio because people only wanted to listen to their music?

    But now there will be how many GB of artists that person who bought the Zune could care about? Mariah? Hiliary Duff? green Day? Garth Brooks?

    Isn’t this EXACTLY like buying a PC and having to spend an hour deleting crap?

    But this is just another in a LONG LINE history of Microsoft’s cluelessness when it comes to consumers … there’s NOTHING wrong in being brilliant at selling to enterprise – but how many hundred of BILLIONS will MS spend on a consumer marketplace that barely cares? And it’s no isolated trend – it’s 10 years running now. After Win95, MS’s lineup is a sad commentary on their cluelessness – each backed by at least a multi-million comapiagn and the marketing dept swearing it will be massive (Talking barney, webTV, home networking, watch OS, tablet PC, media pC, etc, etc …)

    (The Xbox Team has spent $400 on each machine they’ve sold so far … nice math … such a great success, MS is spending $40 billion to prop up Ballmer’s stock).

  9. Dileepa and Paolo, why is it that every pie-in-the-sky favorable rumor does not get questioned and discounted but the negative ones (particularly those which are well-sourced) should not be believed because “they are just rumors”?

    Seriously, this is pathetic hypocrisy.

    We’ve had numerous seriously stupid and discredited rumors like XM integration, iTunes buyouts, OTA download service, etc… And fanboys want to still believe them… But, no, oh no, don’t believe the images that have remained the same for months and don’t beleive the people who have actually tested the thing. No, that’s just rumor.

    I would like just one fanboy that shouts down a rumor that’s “just a rumor” to equally deny every other promising feature… eh hem, I mean “rumor”… of the Zune. Just one.

  10. Dileepa and Paolo, why is it that every pie-in-the-sky favorable rumor does not get questioned and discounted but the negative ones (particularly those which are well-sourced) should not be believed because “they are just rumors”?

    Seriously, this is pathetic hypocrisy.

    We’ve had numerous seriously stupid and discredited rumors like XM integration, iTunes buyouts, OTA download service, etc… And fanboys want to still believe them… But, no, oh no, don’t believe the images that have remained the same for months and don’t beleive the people who have actually tested the thing. No, that’s just rumor.

    I would like just one fanboy that shouts down a rumor that’s “just a rumor” to equally deny every other promising feature… eh hem, I mean “rumor”… of the Zune. Just one.

  11. Dileepa and Paolo, why is it that every pie-in-the-sky favorable rumor does not get questioned and discounted but the negative ones (particularly those which are well-sourced) should not be believed because “they are just rumors”?

    Seriously, this is pathetic hypocrisy.

    We’ve had numerous seriously stupid and discredited rumors like XM integration, iTunes buyouts, OTA download service, etc… And fanboys want to still believe them… But, no, oh no, don’t believe the images that have remained the same for months and don’t beleive the people who have actually tested the thing. No, that’s just rumor.

    I would like just one fanboy that shouts down a rumor that’s “just a rumor” to equally deny every other promising feature… eh hem, I mean “rumor”… of the Zune. Just one.

  12. These won’t have features for content producers?

    I don’t buy it. Just look at all the domains they registered “Back in May” for the term ZuneCast. They registered .com/net/org/info/us/biz.

    Now, I know that the whois lists someone else as the contact for these domains but that’s simply a form of identity protection provided to large organizations by register.com.

    And remember, no one even heard a peep about these being named Zune back in May when both ZuneCast and moreover ZuneLive were registered in dozens of domain name extensions.

    So, I believe that these will indeed come with all the required features necessary to Zunecast or Podcast if you’d like.

  13. These won’t have features for content producers?

    I don’t buy it. Just look at all the domains they registered “Back in May” for the term ZuneCast. They registered .com/net/org/info/us/biz.

    Now, I know that the whois lists someone else as the contact for these domains but that’s simply a form of identity protection provided to large organizations by register.com.

    And remember, no one even heard a peep about these being named Zune back in May when both ZuneCast and moreover ZuneLive were registered in dozens of domain name extensions.

    So, I believe that these will indeed come with all the required features necessary to Zunecast or Podcast if you’d like.

  14. These won’t have features for content producers?

    I don’t buy it. Just look at all the domains they registered “Back in May” for the term ZuneCast. They registered .com/net/org/info/us/biz.

    Now, I know that the whois lists someone else as the contact for these domains but that’s simply a form of identity protection provided to large organizations by register.com.

    And remember, no one even heard a peep about these being named Zune back in May when both ZuneCast and moreover ZuneLive were registered in dozens of domain name extensions.

    So, I believe that these will indeed come with all the required features necessary to Zunecast or Podcast if you’d like.

  15. Bix, I think you just made my point – the iPod doesn’t support podcasts, iTunes does. Just like with the iPod, any RSS/Podcasting support will come from the software on the desktop, which (I’m guessing) will be IE7 and/or WMP. How well they integrate and make the process of D/L’ing podcasts a smooth experience is yet to be seen, but in playing with the Urge music service and WMP, it’s pretty clear that you can subscribe to channels (such as ‘Top 10′) and have them automatically sync and update your connected device (Zune or other) with the latest content.

    TR – 5 years? I have an EVDO-capable Samsung i730 Windows Mobile device w/ an RSS reader that supports enclosures and a 4GB SD memory card today. Why wait 5 years?

  16. Bix, I think you just made my point – the iPod doesn’t support podcasts, iTunes does. Just like with the iPod, any RSS/Podcasting support will come from the software on the desktop, which (I’m guessing) will be IE7 and/or WMP. How well they integrate and make the process of D/L’ing podcasts a smooth experience is yet to be seen, but in playing with the Urge music service and WMP, it’s pretty clear that you can subscribe to channels (such as ‘Top 10′) and have them automatically sync and update your connected device (Zune or other) with the latest content.

    TR – 5 years? I have an EVDO-capable Samsung i730 Windows Mobile device w/ an RSS reader that supports enclosures and a 4GB SD memory card today. Why wait 5 years?

  17. Bix, I think you just made my point – the iPod doesn’t support podcasts, iTunes does. Just like with the iPod, any RSS/Podcasting support will come from the software on the desktop, which (I’m guessing) will be IE7 and/or WMP. How well they integrate and make the process of D/L’ing podcasts a smooth experience is yet to be seen, but in playing with the Urge music service and WMP, it’s pretty clear that you can subscribe to channels (such as ‘Top 10′) and have them automatically sync and update your connected device (Zune or other) with the latest content.

    TR – 5 years? I have an EVDO-capable Samsung i730 Windows Mobile device w/ an RSS reader that supports enclosures and a 4GB SD memory card today. Why wait 5 years?

  18. Does anyone really think Microsoft will say they support “pod”casts. The name itself probably makes them want to take a shower. I guess I’m confused as to the definition of “support”. Are you saying the content services they will provide for Zune won’t support pushing daily updated MP3 files down to the device?

  19. Does anyone really think Microsoft will say they support “pod”casts. The name itself probably makes them want to take a shower. I guess I’m confused as to the definition of “support”. Are you saying the content services they will provide for Zune won’t support pushing daily updated MP3 files down to the device?

  20. Lee,

    That thinking is exactly the problem…it should just do this, save it here, do this…that isn’t the point…

    In iTunes your music is stored in folders and is contained in an XML database. Same for movies and photos in their respective programs (iPhoto and iMovie).

    When in iMovie…I can simply click on a tab to see all my iTunes music available, and on photos to see all my photo’s. It just works together.

    Itunes subscribes to RSS feeds that contain podcasts. It auto updates and downloads and collects the podcasts, All in one applicaion. Simplicity, that is what it is all about. Users (the average consumer) are tired of bending over backwards to make products work together.

  21. Lee,

    That thinking is exactly the problem…it should just do this, save it here, do this…that isn’t the point…

    In iTunes your music is stored in folders and is contained in an XML database. Same for movies and photos in their respective programs (iPhoto and iMovie).

    When in iMovie…I can simply click on a tab to see all my iTunes music available, and on photos to see all my photo’s. It just works together.

    Itunes subscribes to RSS feeds that contain podcasts. It auto updates and downloads and collects the podcasts, All in one applicaion. Simplicity, that is what it is all about. Users (the average consumer) are tired of bending over backwards to make products work together.

  22. I take the train every day to and from work, an hour ride each way. Every other person that comes on the train at each stop has those white buds in their ears. I have a 60 gig iPod with video myself. , My wife has a 30 gig iPod with Video, and my son an iPod Nano. I download and listen to more than 20 podcasts, including video highlights from ABC news and CNN, as well as tech podcasts and other video podcasts. My wiffe downloads and listens to podcasts on all sorts of topics.

    NOT having podcast support built in (even video) is simply creating a device that may have been breaking technology, 3 years ago. I love the iPod for it’s simplicity, I love how easily iTunes gathers all my podcasts and video’s and pictures and music and seamlessly sync’s it to the iPod…this is what Apple gets..and Microsoft does not.

    Some may flame me as an Apple fanboy…I work in a dual platform environment and use each platform for what it does….I do most of my video and audio work on the Mac, and networking and business stuff on Windows. I use RDC on OSX to work on Windows servers, and VNC on Windows to work on my Mac servers, so I am far from a zealot.

    Microsoft just doesn’t get the integrated user experience. They are just NOW starting to get it with the Media Center and Xbox integration, and that is the direction they need to go in. Apple is often said to not be enterprise friendly because they develop for consumer and not the enterprise. Microsoft is the exact opposite…they get the enterprise, all enterprise products just work together…but not the consumer front (until now).

    Unless Microsoft can develop a device that has the “cool” factor and offers a totally transparent user experiance to deliver everything the user wants, no matter how many features get packed in the box, it will never be able to compete against the iPod in that space. Apple is to consumers…what Microsoft is to business.

  23. I take the train every day to and from work, an hour ride each way. Every other person that comes on the train at each stop has those white buds in their ears. I have a 60 gig iPod with video myself. , My wife has a 30 gig iPod with Video, and my son an iPod Nano. I download and listen to more than 20 podcasts, including video highlights from ABC news and CNN, as well as tech podcasts and other video podcasts. My wiffe downloads and listens to podcasts on all sorts of topics.

    NOT having podcast support built in (even video) is simply creating a device that may have been breaking technology, 3 years ago. I love the iPod for it’s simplicity, I love how easily iTunes gathers all my podcasts and video’s and pictures and music and seamlessly sync’s it to the iPod…this is what Apple gets..and Microsoft does not.

    Some may flame me as an Apple fanboy…I work in a dual platform environment and use each platform for what it does….I do most of my video and audio work on the Mac, and networking and business stuff on Windows. I use RDC on OSX to work on Windows servers, and VNC on Windows to work on my Mac servers, so I am far from a zealot.

    Microsoft just doesn’t get the integrated user experience. They are just NOW starting to get it with the Media Center and Xbox integration, and that is the direction they need to go in. Apple is often said to not be enterprise friendly because they develop for consumer and not the enterprise. Microsoft is the exact opposite…they get the enterprise, all enterprise products just work together…but not the consumer front (until now).

    Unless Microsoft can develop a device that has the “cool” factor and offers a totally transparent user experiance to deliver everything the user wants, no matter how many features get packed in the box, it will never be able to compete against the iPod in that space. Apple is to consumers…what Microsoft is to business.

  24. As noted above, Apple is already into podcasting creation. Introduced with iLife ’06 in January. When you get your new Mac check out GarageBand. It has a built-in podcast studio that integrates with the other iLife media tools. Pretty slick… you can do audio and video interviews using iChat, (each guest gets a separate channel for easier editing. Features described here: http://www.apple.com/ilife/garageband/

    As for the iWeb blog creation tools–not to my taste. I find the templates a) too beutiful and b) too restrictive.

  25. As noted above, Apple is already into podcasting creation. Introduced with iLife ’06 in January. When you get your new Mac check out GarageBand. It has a built-in podcast studio that integrates with the other iLife media tools. Pretty slick… you can do audio and video interviews using iChat, (each guest gets a separate channel for easier editing. Features described here: http://www.apple.com/ilife/garageband/

    As for the iWeb blog creation tools–not to my taste. I find the templates a) too beutiful and b) too restrictive.

  26. We all remember Bill Gate’s “Think Weep” paper. In it he indicates that he continues to weep that he missed out monopolizing the podcast wave all the while that he was composing his vision of the future. Hi vision of the future included using his Gates Foundation to extend his monopoly by not offering any other computers to libraries except his Windows brand. *S*

  27. We all remember Bill Gate’s “Think Weep” paper. In it he indicates that he continues to weep that he missed out monopolizing the podcast wave all the while that he was composing his vision of the future. Hi vision of the future included using his Gates Foundation to extend his monopoly by not offering any other computers to libraries except his Windows brand. *S*

  28. Microsoft should have purchased the iRiver Clix design as it is the most elegant portable media player on the market. I soaked my Clix rafting and it worked after a few minutes under the blow dryer.

    The current Zune media design does not look so innovative. Follow the leader…

    My question is does Microsoft understand the potential of portable devices in the corporate world. People are tired of reading text and are better served with audio or video content.

    Seems all of the companies are focused on the media player as a tool for the youth market for playing music. Why is it not a business tool.

    Well with EVDO, Mobile RSS, SD cards and mulitimedia enabled cellphones, perhaps the portable media player will be converged out of exhistance in five years anyways…

    TR

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