The startup sound in Vista …

I’m on the phone with Steve Ball, group program manager for the Windows Audio Video Excellence team (basically, the team that builds the stuff that plays audio and video in Windows).

First, a disclaimer, before I left Microsoft, I got an intimate view of the process that Microsoft is going through in finding the startup sound (famous guitarist Robert Fripp was working on it).

The idea here (to both paraphrase Steve, and pass along the goals here that I learned) is that Windows Vista should present a common, and beautiful, face to the world. I could go more into it (I think what they are trying to do will be apparent in the shipping release, but isn’t quite there yet — even the new sound isn’t in current builds).

Anyway, let’s go into what Steve just told me on the record: 

“The bottom line is that the rumors, stories, speculation about the new Windows Vista sound are true,” Ball said, ”but with a number of extreme qualifications.”

The current plan, he tells me, is that there will be a pre-wired sound that plays when the system is ready for you to logon. This is the plan of record for quite a few months.

You can do other things with your attention and your eyes during cold boot without feeling like you have to watch and wait.

This will be a non-customizeable sound, and that’s been part of the plan for Windows Vista for many months, he said.

However, the plan might change and Steve Ball is reading all the feedback, both on blogs, and in the newsgroups for beta testers, and his team is considering all of this stuff and still has not made final decisions (although they’ve spent a lot of time already arguing this stuff out and are heading down a path of making this a non-customizeable sound that can’t be turned off, just like the Xbox has today).

“Why the hell would you want to do this in the first place?” he told me is a common question. It boils down to two sides of the coin.

1. A spiritual side of the branding experience. A short, brief, positive confirmation that your machine is now concious and ready to react. You can turn on your Vista machine, go eat some cereal, while your machine is cold booting and then this gentle sound will come out telling you that you can log in. You won’t need to wait for your machine to startup, he says.

2. Volume control in a Windows machine is a wild west. A mess. The startup sound is designed to help you calibrate or fix something that got out of wack when you startup your machine. Let’s say you muted your machine, and you don’t hear your startup sound, you know you aren’t ready to listen to stuff. The Xbox has a hard-wired startup sound. There is one way to mute it: to turn down the speakers that are connected to your Xbox. Same will be true for Windows Vista.

It basically helps you realize your machine is ready to watch a video like, Ze Frank, without fidgeting with anything.

To add to that these sounds may be included in a bunch of the marketing that Microsoft is doing and will become very recognizable as “Windows Vista.”

QUESTION: Why don’t you give advanced users the ability to turn this off via a registry setting or something like that?

Steve: “we’re considering just that.”

“Did you know that Sony has a built in sound?” he said. ”Did you know that Toshiba has one?”

We went on to talk about the audio experience, how it’ll be a lot nicer than they were in XP and the emotional experience of how sounds will fit into the overall experience of using your computer.

A little bit about Steve. He’s an accomplished musician and cares, more than anyone I know at Microsoft, about how the community perceives Microsoft and its products.

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This part is MY opinion, not Steve’s:

My own editorial? I can see this from both sides. As an advanced user I want control of everything on my computer. It pisses me off when companies assume they know me better than I know me.

On the other hand, now that I’ve spent the time with Steve and heard the market research, legal advice (yes, lawyers are involved here — they love having trademarked pieces of media experiences that can’t be copied), experience and UI teams (have you sat through user testing? I have, and decisions like these are made because of feedback of normal, everyday users, not just geeks like me and you).

Translation: I’m withholding judgment until I see the final product. This isn’t an “evil” feature like SmartTags that demands an instant pull-out, but it isn’t nice not to listen to your most influential and experienced users either. So, it’ll be interesting to see how this one goes.

  • David Walker

    “Turn down the speakers”??? I have a very good-sounding par of JBL Pro powered speakers that came with a friend’s computer a few years ago. He gave them to me.

    They have NO volume control on them, so I *can’t* turn them down.

    I would consider replacing them, but they sound SO good. (Also, they are LOUD; I have to set master volume control pretty low to get normal music listening levels.)

    If the Windows startup sound was at what is supposed to be a “normal” level, it might blast out of these speakers.

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  • L B

    I hope you’re still reading these. What i’d like, as a person who works listening to voice files all day long, is something that will keep EVERYTHING at the same volume–so that I don’t have to turn up something said at soft volume, that then blows out my eardrums when the speaker speaks louder or suddenly puts his/her voice closer to the mike. I-POD has this. Does anyone know how you can do this on a computer? Just asking. Thanks. Oh, and I have XP Media Center 2005 right now.

  • L B

    I hope you’re still reading these. What i’d like, as a person who works listening to voice files all day long, is something that will keep EVERYTHING at the same volume–so that I don’t have to turn up something said at soft volume, that then blows out my eardrums when the speaker speaks louder or suddenly puts his/her voice closer to the mike. I-POD has this. Does anyone know how you can do this on a computer? Just asking. Thanks. Oh, and I have XP Media Center 2005 right now.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    L.B. I’m sorry, I don’t know. Gigavox has a product called “Levelator” but that needs to be done before compressing to MP3.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    L.B. I’m sorry, I don’t know. Gigavox has a product called “Levelator” but that needs to be done before compressing to MP3.

  • ken brady

    Mr Gates, has been making me dance to his tune for years, why not throw in a music tie in.
    Otherwise it would not be truly MICROSOFT. As Henry Ford said, any colour you want, as long as it is black. I bow down to the all knowing Master of the Universe.

  • ken brady

    Mr Gates, has been making me dance to his tune for years, why not throw in a music tie in.
    Otherwise it would not be truly MICROSOFT. As Henry Ford said, any colour you want, as long as it is black. I bow down to the all knowing Master of the Universe.

  • Sean Murphy

    It’s a sound.

    That’s it. Not an application, not a small child kicking you in the shin, not your hand getting third degree burns from the oven, just a sound.

    I just don’t see the big deal.

    I spent the day setting up my sister’s new laptop for her, it came with Vista preinstalled. I rebooted about eight or so times throughout the day for various applications, every single time I heard the noise. It wasn’t jarring, it didn’t kill my inner child, it was just a gentle little chime and a pretty Vista logo.

    However once your computer is setup, why are you rebooting it a lot anyways? The people that will complain about this the most are geeks, and a good geek doesn’t turn off their computer anyways, so where’s the issue?

    If it bothers you that much, don’t turn on your speakers right away, or mute the receiver. It’s not that bad of a noise, honest!

    Again, it’s just a sound.

  • Sean Murphy

    It’s a sound.

    That’s it. Not an application, not a small child kicking you in the shin, not your hand getting third degree burns from the oven, just a sound.

    I just don’t see the big deal.

    I spent the day setting up my sister’s new laptop for her, it came with Vista preinstalled. I rebooted about eight or so times throughout the day for various applications, every single time I heard the noise. It wasn’t jarring, it didn’t kill my inner child, it was just a gentle little chime and a pretty Vista logo.

    However once your computer is setup, why are you rebooting it a lot anyways? The people that will complain about this the most are geeks, and a good geek doesn’t turn off their computer anyways, so where’s the issue?

    If it bothers you that much, don’t turn on your speakers right away, or mute the receiver. It’s not that bad of a noise, honest!

    Again, it’s just a sound.

  • Sean Murphy

    Also an additional note.

    Said sound only happens when you BOOT the machine, nowhere else. You can disable / change all the other system sounds just as your normally would.

    If you put the laptop to sleep and open it up again, and you’ve disabled all the system sounds in control panel, you won’t hear a darn thing.

    If you log off and log on as a different user, you won’t hear a thing.

    This is sound ONLY happens on cold boot, and I don’t know about most people, but I only do that once every few months.

  • Sean Murphy

    Also an additional note.

    Said sound only happens when you BOOT the machine, nowhere else. You can disable / change all the other system sounds just as your normally would.

    If you put the laptop to sleep and open it up again, and you’ve disabled all the system sounds in control panel, you won’t hear a darn thing.

    If you log off and log on as a different user, you won’t hear a thing.

    This is sound ONLY happens on cold boot, and I don’t know about most people, but I only do that once every few months.

  • http://what-is-what.com/what_is/vista.html What is Vista?

    I like customizing my OS, and the startup sound is one of the first things to go. I’ll continue using Ubuntu, then, as it lets me remove that annoying startup sound.

  • http://what-is-what.com/what_is/vista.html What is Vista?

    I like customizing my OS, and the startup sound is one of the first things to go. I’ll continue using Ubuntu, then, as it lets me remove that annoying startup sound.

  • Rich Sensale

    The more I hear about Microsoft’s decision making process regarding Vista, the more I think that I have time traveled back to an alternate 1984.

    I have heard the startup sound. I don’t like the startup sound. If I cannot get rid of the startup sound or customize it, than Mickeysloth has lost a paying customer who otherwise may have bougght Vista Ultimate.

    Of all the hair brained, contemptable and irresponsible things Mickey and company have done regarding vista, this has to be the one that best illustrates the total lack of intelligence on behalf of their marketing department.

    Im going out now and price a few Macs…….

  • Rich Sensale

    The more I hear about Microsoft’s decision making process regarding Vista, the more I think that I have time traveled back to an alternate 1984.

    I have heard the startup sound. I don’t like the startup sound. If I cannot get rid of the startup sound or customize it, than Mickeysloth has lost a paying customer who otherwise may have bougght Vista Ultimate.

    Of all the hair brained, contemptable and irresponsible things Mickey and company have done regarding vista, this has to be the one that best illustrates the total lack of intelligence on behalf of their marketing department.

    Im going out now and price a few Macs…….

  • NoOne

    Everybody calm down… right in the control panel’s options under sounds there is a direct checkbox weither you want the start-up sound or not. Everybody here argueing so much over nothing. Microsoft heard you and they give you the option…

  • NoOne

    Everybody calm down… right in the control panel’s options under sounds there is a direct checkbox weither you want the start-up sound or not. Everybody here argueing so much over nothing. Microsoft heard you and they give you the option…

  • tim

    I as a blind user have to have some sound if not all of it in order to use the PC if say ohh jaws or window eyes decides to crash on me like always and I get a sound to tell me that something went wrong or asking me for confermation or something like that. Say for example the windows start sound when you click on the local disk C and open the folder, that helps trimendiously when a user has no speech in going to folders. I like it and all but how in the hell can I delete some of the unneeded sounds in vista that well don’t even play when I press enter to play them. only about 2 of them but still It says access denied ant that is really annoying. I like the sounds but I of course I would need these sounds say like the beep codes that tell you something is wrong when the POST fails. very benificial to some one like me. thanks.

  • tim

    I as a blind user have to have some sound if not all of it in order to use the PC if say ohh jaws or window eyes decides to crash on me like always and I get a sound to tell me that something went wrong or asking me for confermation or something like that. Say for example the windows start sound when you click on the local disk C and open the folder, that helps trimendiously when a user has no speech in going to folders. I like it and all but how in the hell can I delete some of the unneeded sounds in vista that well don’t even play when I press enter to play them. only about 2 of them but still It says access denied ant that is really annoying. I like the sounds but I of course I would need these sounds say like the beep codes that tell you something is wrong when the POST fails. very benificial to some one like me. thanks.

  • http://www.gamespot.com/ Gordon Freeman

    Hey I need to cook my fried chicken.

  • http://www.gamespot.com Gordon Freeman

    Hey I need to cook my fried chicken.

  • Josh

    I like the sound. I want it but I don’t want Vista. So who has a file of the sound? I can’t find one anywhere!

  • Josh

    I like the sound. I want it but I don’t want Vista. So who has a file of the sound? I can’t find one anywhere!

  • Ray

    Hi, Found your article very interesting.

    I wondered if you could answer this question for me.
    Can I alter / increase the time a wave sound lasts in Windows XP. Like if I added my own wave sound to Start Windows XP can I make it last about 10 seconds by altering some parameter in the Registry.

    Sorry if I’m wasting your time only I’ve looked all over the WEB and can’t find any information on this.

    Regards Ray Clark

  • Ray

    Hi, Found your article very interesting.

    I wondered if you could answer this question for me.
    Can I alter / increase the time a wave sound lasts in Windows XP. Like if I added my own wave sound to Start Windows XP can I make it last about 10 seconds by altering some parameter in the Registry.

    Sorry if I’m wasting your time only I’ve looked all over the WEB and can’t find any information on this.

    Regards Ray Clark

  • ogman

    To NoOne – Yeah, there is an option to turn off the sounds, but like a lot of things in Vista, it’s broke. I turned off the sounds and every few reboots they come back on.

  • ogman

    To NoOne – Yeah, there is an option to turn off the sounds, but like a lot of things in Vista, it’s broke. I turned off the sounds and every few reboots they come back on.

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  • Billy Bob Jones

    Comments are worthless..

  • Billy Bob Jones

    Comments are worthless..

  • Jimmie Ketner

    I have window vista basic
    My sound went out both in the back and in the front of computer. I also do have any mic
    Jimmie

  • Jimmie Ketner

    I have window vista basic
    My sound went out both in the back and in the front of computer. I also do have any mic
    Jimmie

  • Fox News

    [...] In a tragic incident today, five US Marines stationed in IRAQ were killed by sniper fire when their hand-held navigation PDA/GPS alerted enemy forces to their position. Initial reports are pointing fingers to Microsoft’s Windows Vista start-up sound, but further investigation is still underway. [...]

  • Fox News

    [...] In a tragic incident today, five US Marines stationed in IRAQ were killed by sniper fire when their hand-held navigation PDA/GPS alerted enemy forces to their position. Initial reports are pointing fingers to Microsoft’s Windows Vista start-up sound, but further investigation is still underway. [...]

  • AndyC

    Funny. I found this article while googling for a super quickfind on how to kill the intro to Win 2000 (look, i just had a hunch it was going to be buried in an awkward location). Anyway this article (with all due respect) is referring to some seriously wacko comments. Seriously, don’t force the intro music on me, don’t make me go buy a mac because that will tip me. Don’t make me do it!

    Anyway, in utter disbelief i thought, what the heck lets waste just a few more minutes of life finding some kind of setting i’m so used to it now i’m numb. After about 10mins of fumbling around (note:i’m a senior software developer and interaction designer) after a few blind turns, i discovered the path. I’ll let it speak for itself, and don’t try to rebut or i’ll have to unleash an article about my favourite “insert signature” interaction WTF i found in Outlook.

    Count the clicks (and yes yes i know it’s not just about minimising clicks but this is ridiculous)…

    Start -> Control Panel… -> (wait for 5seconds since it’s at startup?) -> Sounds and Audio Devices -> Sound Tab -> Then in ‘program events:’ you have to click around 20 times depending on the programs you have installed and select ‘Start Windows’ -> Click the play button (to confirm this is indeed the object of your hatred) -> Click the dropdown to change the sound -> (discover about 35 options) -> fumble around trying a few out of curiosity (hey don’t blame me, you gave me the options and made me think!) only to give up and select the (none) option that’s about 30 rows up (remember my poor little eye muscles?) -> Click OK.

    I’m sorry but this is just not good enough. I’m not even going to install Vista i’m just going to see what others who have more faith than me have to say. But at the moment i’m eying up a macbook pro. I am definitely not into the hype around mac and if MS has improved this time, i’ll stick with them. The only thing worse than bad interaction is mindless dogmatism (and hype).

  • AndyC

    Funny. I found this article while googling for a super quickfind on how to kill the intro to Win 2000 (look, i just had a hunch it was going to be buried in an awkward location). Anyway this article (with all due respect) is referring to some seriously wacko comments. Seriously, don’t force the intro music on me, don’t make me go buy a mac because that will tip me. Don’t make me do it!

    Anyway, in utter disbelief i thought, what the heck lets waste just a few more minutes of life finding some kind of setting i’m so used to it now i’m numb. After about 10mins of fumbling around (note:i’m a senior software developer and interaction designer) after a few blind turns, i discovered the path. I’ll let it speak for itself, and don’t try to rebut or i’ll have to unleash an article about my favourite “insert signature” interaction WTF i found in Outlook.

    Count the clicks (and yes yes i know it’s not just about minimising clicks but this is ridiculous)…

    Start -> Control Panel… -> (wait for 5seconds since it’s at startup?) -> Sounds and Audio Devices -> Sound Tab -> Then in ‘program events:’ you have to click around 20 times depending on the programs you have installed and select ‘Start Windows’ -> Click the play button (to confirm this is indeed the object of your hatred) -> Click the dropdown to change the sound -> (discover about 35 options) -> fumble around trying a few out of curiosity (hey don’t blame me, you gave me the options and made me think!) only to give up and select the (none) option that’s about 30 rows up (remember my poor little eye muscles?) -> Click OK.

    I’m sorry but this is just not good enough. I’m not even going to install Vista i’m just going to see what others who have more faith than me have to say. But at the moment i’m eying up a macbook pro. I am definitely not into the hype around mac and if MS has improved this time, i’ll stick with them. The only thing worse than bad interaction is mindless dogmatism (and hype).

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  • Dr. S

    Is this guy Steve a complete Moron. This is a ridiculous discussion. Give the user the ability to turn off the darn music…. period… No ADD IFS or BUTS.

  • Dr. S

    Is this guy Steve a complete Moron. This is a ridiculous discussion. Give the user the ability to turn off the darn music…. period… No ADD IFS or BUTS.

  • end-user

    Dittos to what Dr. S Says. Been using Vista Ultimate for a few weeks now. Been searching everwhere to find how to turn off the “Unwelcoming” sound. Now I know. I can’t. HUH!

    TweakVI actually has a tweak to turn off the “Unwelcoming” sound. Does it work? NO. Didn’t they know it wouldn’t. Duhuh.

    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! To Microsoft. Who are they to make this decision for me. I’ll tell you who I am. I am the end user who paid $319 for Vista Ultimate 64 bit only to now have Microsoft tell me I can’t do what I – want with it? Well, I’d like to tell you what to do with your “Unwelcoming” sound, not to mention your annoying little UAC permission alerts. I killed that damned thing two times over(after turning it off, it turned itself back on when I caused a burp in the system with some of my user inclinations. And it refused to be turned off again. I had to disable the sumbitch.) Just wish I could have given it the slow and torturous death it deserves. Talk about twisted evil!

    Truthfully, it isn’t a bad little sound the first, say, 50 times you hear it. But the 1000th time? I mean, even “It’s a Beautiful World” by Satchmo (one of my favorites BTW) would become a Chinese torture test after hearing it that many times. Microsoft computer engineering/design/programming et al geeks, just put it together leave the customizing to me. I don’t want to be forced into driving your “stock” model please.

    Like I really need the computer to tell me when it is ready. Do I have eyes to see and ears to hear (what I choose)? And you know what, when the computer “tells me it is ready for use,” I probably want be anyhow.

    I’ll stop now, though I could go on for volumes. DUDES!

  • end-user

    Dittos to what Dr. S Says. Been using Vista Ultimate for a few weeks now. Been searching everwhere to find how to turn off the “Unwelcoming” sound. Now I know. I can’t. HUH!

    TweakVI actually has a tweak to turn off the “Unwelcoming” sound. Does it work? NO. Didn’t they know it wouldn’t. Duhuh.

    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! To Microsoft. Who are they to make this decision for me. I’ll tell you who I am. I am the end user who paid $319 for Vista Ultimate 64 bit only to now have Microsoft tell me I can’t do what I – want with it? Well, I’d like to tell you what to do with your “Unwelcoming” sound, not to mention your annoying little UAC permission alerts. I killed that damned thing two times over(after turning it off, it turned itself back on when I caused a burp in the system with some of my user inclinations. And it refused to be turned off again. I had to disable the sumbitch.) Just wish I could have given it the slow and torturous death it deserves. Talk about twisted evil!

    Truthfully, it isn’t a bad little sound the first, say, 50 times you hear it. But the 1000th time? I mean, even “It’s a Beautiful World” by Satchmo (one of my favorites BTW) would become a Chinese torture test after hearing it that many times. Microsoft computer engineering/design/programming et al geeks, just put it together leave the customizing to me. I don’t want to be forced into driving your “stock” model please.

    Like I really need the computer to tell me when it is ready. Do I have eyes to see and ears to hear (what I choose)? And you know what, when the computer “tells me it is ready for use,” I probably want be anyhow.

    I’ll stop now, though I could go on for volumes. DUDES!

  • end-user

    And to all you laid back serenity types above, who are so above this so-called inane and, to you, senseless discussion, well, just @#$%*&#@%&@ss.
    :)

  • end-user

    And to all you laid back serenity types above, who are so above this so-called inane and, to you, senseless discussion, well, just @#$%*&#@%&@ss.
    :)

  • end-user

    I do not have eyes to see, apparently because I missed seeing the box outside the sound selections that allows me to turn of the Unwelcoming start up sound. HALLELUJAH!. Nevertheless, I enjoyed the rant. :)

  • end-user

    I do not have eyes to see, apparently because I missed seeing the box outside the sound selections that allows me to turn of the Unwelcoming start up sound. HALLELUJAH!. Nevertheless, I enjoyed the rant. :)

  • JoeyJoJo

    Has anyone else noticed how the sound is similar to ‘new york, new york’? Meh, maybe it was just me.

    The thing which is REALLY annoying is that the sound plays BEFORE you’re allowed to login. It would have been fine if the sound played when CTRL+ALT+DEL was ready, but, the sound plays, then you still have to wait for the login prompt.

    Anyway, thanks for showing me how to turn it off.

  • JoeyJoJo

    Has anyone else noticed how the sound is similar to ‘new york, new york’? Meh, maybe it was just me.

    The thing which is REALLY annoying is that the sound plays BEFORE you’re allowed to login. It would have been fine if the sound played when CTRL+ALT+DEL was ready, but, the sound plays, then you still have to wait for the login prompt.

    Anyway, thanks for showing me how to turn it off.

  • Alan S

    I have a Mac. I hate my Mac, because every time I turn it on, it blares a stupid sound at me. If I press ‘Mute’, my key press (they put ‘mute’ on the KEYBOARD??!?!?) gets buried under the 500 other processes the system is doing, and the sound blares anyway.

    I instinctively hit mute again when the sound starts blaring. Two minutes (it feels like) later, I’m interrupted by the computer telling me it’s muted and unmuted itself, and playing an unmute sound to remind and taunt me.

    The same happened with my old Windows laptop – by the time I’d pressed mute (or, more likely, hammered sound down, because modern laptops don’t tell you whether they’re muted or not until they’ve booted up), it’s too late. I’ve disturbed everyone around me, and it’s my computer’s – sorry, Steve Balls and some anonymous Apple engineer’s – fault. And I hate them for it, every time.

    Even worse, my new Sony laptop has yet another sound! This one plays even if all sounds are disabled and even if I keep the laptop on mute permanently! It’s hardware!!! ARGH!!!!! I’ve spent LOADS of money on a laptop, but the manufacturers have punished me by preventing me from using it in public unless I know how to hack the BIOS or whatever it is. I HATE SONY!!! And Apple. And Microsoft.

    These feelings of burning hatred really mess with my (what was it again?) “spiritual side of the branding experience”.

  • Alan S

    I have a Mac. I hate my Mac, because every time I turn it on, it blares a stupid sound at me. If I press ‘Mute’, my key press (they put ‘mute’ on the KEYBOARD??!?!?) gets buried under the 500 other processes the system is doing, and the sound blares anyway.

    I instinctively hit mute again when the sound starts blaring. Two minutes (it feels like) later, I’m interrupted by the computer telling me it’s muted and unmuted itself, and playing an unmute sound to remind and taunt me.

    The same happened with my old Windows laptop – by the time I’d pressed mute (or, more likely, hammered sound down, because modern laptops don’t tell you whether they’re muted or not until they’ve booted up), it’s too late. I’ve disturbed everyone around me, and it’s my computer’s – sorry, Steve Balls and some anonymous Apple engineer’s – fault. And I hate them for it, every time.

    Even worse, my new Sony laptop has yet another sound! This one plays even if all sounds are disabled and even if I keep the laptop on mute permanently! It’s hardware!!! ARGH!!!!! I’ve spent LOADS of money on a laptop, but the manufacturers have punished me by preventing me from using it in public unless I know how to hack the BIOS or whatever it is. I HATE SONY!!! And Apple. And Microsoft.

    These feelings of burning hatred really mess with my (what was it again?) “spiritual side of the branding experience”.