The "last" Gillmor Gang?

I’m sitting with Denise Howell (who, sometime in the next week, will start a “ThisWeekInLaw” show along with Leo Laporte) and she says the latest Gillmor Gang is quite excellent. It’s the one where Jason Calacanis and Steve Gillmor and the rest of the gang go on and on about Adam Curry and PodShow’s latest $15 million VC funding. Jason Calacanis told me this could be the last Gillmor Gang because of what was said about Adam Curry (the show is hosted on Adam’s Podshow network).

27 thoughts on “The "last" Gillmor Gang?

  1. Robert, (idid McD here)

    I understand that Steve’s show is aligned with PodShow. What I think you were doing is pointing an audience towards the Jason Calacanis’ views aired on the show.

    Json has a perfect right to his views and he expresses them well. He isn’t well informed enough about PodShow to understand the need for the round of funding. No one on the show mentions:

    a partnership deal to open a PodShow UK branchy in partnership with British Telecom. Wouldn’t that benefit from cash to build out rapidly? and also justify investment to do so?

    How about the up take in advertising in the PodShow line up… we don’t know their burn rate for staff or their income since they are privately held but it’s safe to say that the new investors probably had access to these little detaiuls before supplying $15M.

    Jason may have a track record with one start-up that led to him selling into AOL for his wealth but he doesn’t know what it takes to take a company public and generate a sustainable enterprise. PodShow is clearly aiming for that target and I for one… wish them well. “The rising tide raises all boats”.

    PodTech wouldn’t exist without the maket building vision of Adam Curry… please respect that effort. It’s giving you employment. My criticisim is simply to hold off on pointing at negative PR for a competitor… It works against your reputation and value as a communicator. It shows bias. In communications the most authoritative voice isd the one you trust. Build trust equity for yourself and Podtech and let the market do the rest.

  2. Robert, (idid McD here)

    I understand that Steve’s show is aligned with PodShow. What I think you were doing is pointing an audience towards the Jason Calacanis’ views aired on the show.

    Json has a perfect right to his views and he expresses them well. He isn’t well informed enough about PodShow to understand the need for the round of funding. No one on the show mentions:

    a partnership deal to open a PodShow UK branchy in partnership with British Telecom. Wouldn’t that benefit from cash to build out rapidly? and also justify investment to do so?

    How about the up take in advertising in the PodShow line up… we don’t know their burn rate for staff or their income since they are privately held but it’s safe to say that the new investors probably had access to these little detaiuls before supplying $15M.

    Jason may have a track record with one start-up that led to him selling into AOL for his wealth but he doesn’t know what it takes to take a company public and generate a sustainable enterprise. PodShow is clearly aiming for that target and I for one… wish them well. “The rising tide raises all boats”.

    PodTech wouldn’t exist without the maket building vision of Adam Curry… please respect that effort. It’s giving you employment. My criticisim is simply to hold off on pointing at negative PR for a competitor… It works against your reputation and value as a communicator. It shows bias. In communications the most authoritative voice isd the one you trust. Build trust equity for yourself and Podtech and let the market do the rest.

  3. Meanwhile in the real world (tap, tap), LOST Season Three hits heavy, with Veronica Mars on tail, with The Unit and Jericho sliding in, with Eureka and Blade on re-cue, Prison Break on 7th inning ‘Harry Carry’ strech, Battlestar headed for a Friday grand-slam, Paris Hilton in dugout with a ‘she said, she said’ wind-up pitch…HP dealt a five-card sudden death, Lockyer election cycle…Foley in a fubar mess, lift lightens ever so slightly, ABC and DNC playing political election cycle games…Iran crisis looms even larger, cue up the ‘Bomb Iran’ oletime hit, don’t cue up Carter or weak EU, looking like a cowboy-crunch-Reagan-remix this time, carpet bomb, sell population into bondage, plant the ground with salt, and reboot the Byzantine Empire. Joshua wants to play a game. Amish simple turns Gothic Horror. A very very short time ago in a studio very very close by, George Lucas says goodbye to the big screen…DOW hits record…TSA now allows toothpaste (sorta)…GM, Nissan and Renault threesome not a go, IRA going Peacey (minus the hippies), North Korea demanding front-page news status again, nuke test de jour. Fence out Mexico, heck, better yet, just annex, and then Benedict shoulda taken Quebec, buy Mexico, get Canada for free. And of course, most importantly, blow-dried empty-suit Adam Curryish petty ego-fights among buzzword-heavy Boremor Gang dribbleheads.

  4. Meanwhile in the real world (tap, tap), LOST Season Three hits heavy, with Veronica Mars on tail, with The Unit and Jericho sliding in, with Eureka and Blade on re-cue, Prison Break on 7th inning ‘Harry Carry’ strech, Battlestar headed for a Friday grand-slam, Paris Hilton in dugout with a ‘she said, she said’ wind-up pitch…HP dealt a five-card sudden death, Lockyer election cycle…Foley in a fubar mess, lift lightens ever so slightly, ABC and DNC playing political election cycle games…Iran crisis looms even larger, cue up the ‘Bomb Iran’ oletime hit, don’t cue up Carter or weak EU, looking like a cowboy-crunch-Reagan-remix this time, carpet bomb, sell population into bondage, plant the ground with salt, and reboot the Byzantine Empire. Joshua wants to play a game. Amish simple turns Gothic Horror. A very very short time ago in a studio very very close by, George Lucas says goodbye to the big screen…DOW hits record…TSA now allows toothpaste (sorta)…GM, Nissan and Renault threesome not a go, IRA going Peacey (minus the hippies), North Korea demanding front-page news status again, nuke test de jour. Fence out Mexico, heck, better yet, just annex, and then Benedict shoulda taken Quebec, buy Mexico, get Canada for free. And of course, most importantly, blow-dried empty-suit Adam Curryish petty ego-fights among buzzword-heavy Boremor Gang dribbleheads.

  5. The most recent Gillmor Gang was the best one I’ve heard and I’ve been listening for about six months or so. Jason Calcanis definitely calls it like he sees it. More interesting than the comments about Podshow, though, were his remarks about entrepeneurship, leadership, and derring-do in business. AOL did well to pull in his leadership skills to their fold.

    Steve Gillmor has said each of the last six or so Gillmor Gangs may be the last. It seems to be an ongoing theme. I somehow doubt that he will have the plug pulled for this discussion, because other than being critical of the site designs, it was actually a pretty interesting discussion of Podshow’s purpose and different business strategies in the podcasting universe.

  6. The most recent Gillmor Gang was the best one I’ve heard and I’ve been listening for about six months or so. Jason Calcanis definitely calls it like he sees it. More interesting than the comments about Podshow, though, were his remarks about entrepeneurship, leadership, and derring-do in business. AOL did well to pull in his leadership skills to their fold.

    Steve Gillmor has said each of the last six or so Gillmor Gangs may be the last. It seems to be an ongoing theme. I somehow doubt that he will have the plug pulled for this discussion, because other than being critical of the site designs, it was actually a pretty interesting discussion of Podshow’s purpose and different business strategies in the podcasting universe.

  7. Idid: you do realize that Steve Gillmor is an employee of PodShow, right? So, the fact that you think I’m sliming PodShow demonstrates you haven’t done your homework.

    Bored: if you’re so bored why are you still here? And, worse yet, why don’t you have the guts to sign your name to your criticism?

  8. Idid: you do realize that Steve Gillmor is an employee of PodShow, right? So, the fact that you think I’m sliming PodShow demonstrates you haven’t done your homework.

    Bored: if you’re so bored why are you still here? And, worse yet, why don’t you have the guts to sign your name to your criticism?

  9. Yeah, if you listen to Gillmor Gang you’ll know every show is the “last” one.

    I actually agree with much of what Jason says, even if he can sometimes be a bit much in communicating it.

    I don’t know much about the PodShow financing, but I hope part of it goes towards UI designers because the site *IS* a disaster. Of course, the shows just show up in iTunes so maybe that’s why they haven’t emphasized it.

    One thing I would love to see someone (PodShow, PodTech) spend time on is closing the feedback loop. Blogs are very good in this regard because it’s a text medium and we can leave text comments here. It feels like there’s a bigger gap with podcasts more analagous to radio broadcasts.

    Making it searchable and putting transcripts up would be a good step too, even if Gillmor thinks that’s worthless.

  10. Yeah, if you listen to Gillmor Gang you’ll know every show is the “last” one.

    I actually agree with much of what Jason says, even if he can sometimes be a bit much in communicating it.

    I don’t know much about the PodShow financing, but I hope part of it goes towards UI designers because the site *IS* a disaster. Of course, the shows just show up in iTunes so maybe that’s why they haven’t emphasized it.

    One thing I would love to see someone (PodShow, PodTech) spend time on is closing the feedback loop. Blogs are very good in this regard because it’s a text medium and we can leave text comments here. It feels like there’s a bigger gap with podcasts more analagous to radio broadcasts.

    Making it searchable and putting transcripts up would be a good step too, even if Gillmor thinks that’s worthless.

  11. Great way to get some attention. Pick a fight with Adam Curry. Ask Joseph Jaffe about it. GG grates on my nerves, haven’t listened to it for ages.

  12. Great way to get some attention. Pick a fight with Adam Curry. Ask Joseph Jaffe about it. GG grates on my nerves, haven’t listened to it for ages.

  13. robert,

    your blog is so boring and repetitive these days. keep blogging about your boring buddies, how many times have you mentioned jason recently? you keep apologising for being lame yet nothing is changing. your content is no longer interesting i feel that you’ve lost the edge, and that it has been lost for quite a while, perhaps a slow prolonged slide into BORING.

  14. robert,

    your blog is so boring and repetitive these days. keep blogging about your boring buddies, how many times have you mentioned jason recently? you keep apologising for being lame yet nothing is changing. your content is no longer interesting i feel that you’ve lost the edge, and that it has been lost for quite a while, perhaps a slow prolonged slide into BORING.

  15. It is a running joke, and well, i don’t understand your comment. The show i listened to was dated 9/8, and i have about 15 more shows in the queue after that, so unless this was just stated in the last show (the last one i have is 9/22) then i’m really confused.

  16. It is a running joke, and well, i don’t understand your comment. The show i listened to was dated 9/8, and i have about 15 more shows in the queue after that, so unless this was just stated in the last show (the last one i have is 9/22) then i’m really confused.

  17. Adam talked about it on Mondays DSC, he found it amusing, because of how little they knew of what Podshow was doing. Or so he said… :)

  18. Adam talked about it on Mondays DSC, he found it amusing, because of how little they knew of what Podshow was doing. Or so he said… :)

  19. Robert,

    Calacanis is insufferable. He got his money and now he’s a certifed Web 2.0 genius…

    PodShow is hiring and building infrastructure like crazy. They are aiming for the fences… “home run strategy”.

    Calacanis make the cliam that they need cash for acquisitions. Time will tell but he’s overstating… he does ask if anyone wants to bet that the “Digg Boy’s” new venture will be worth more in 12 months. It’s a silly bet becasue there’s no way to measure the value of a privately held company. What’s the value of Digg, or Podshow…

    Which company would I invest in… well… neither… I’m risk averse.

    But PodShow is doing a lot that’s right and good for the concept of Podcasting: PodFree Music (is Apple reading this… did I say Pod?) as a service.

    The deal with British Telecom alone should justify another round to staff up PodShow UK… They are going Global in the classic sense… sales, marketing, infrastructure relationships, etc.

    So, take the Gillmor Gang’s view with a grain of salt:
    “There isn’t anyone on this call that knows what they are talking about.” The truth of that statement is what makes it such a great podcast… some tech minded business types and journo’s talking about the news and current events.

    With respect to you pointing at PodShow dirt… it does you little credit. Resist the tempation if you can and just go build Podtech in the niche you’re targeting. B2L… “Business to Listener” podcasting. PodShow is NOT mining that field at all… you guys will make a great merger at some point when the costs of infrastructure need to be cut to survive and the ol’ economy of scale helps drive a better agreement with Limelight Networks or AT&T or whomever has the pipes you so covet and need to compete.

    Idid “McD”

  20. Robert,

    Calacanis is insufferable. He got his money and now he’s a certifed Web 2.0 genius…

    PodShow is hiring and building infrastructure like crazy. They are aiming for the fences… “home run strategy”.

    Calacanis make the cliam that they need cash for acquisitions. Time will tell but he’s overstating… he does ask if anyone wants to bet that the “Digg Boy’s” new venture will be worth more in 12 months. It’s a silly bet becasue there’s no way to measure the value of a privately held company. What’s the value of Digg, or Podshow…

    Which company would I invest in… well… neither… I’m risk averse.

    But PodShow is doing a lot that’s right and good for the concept of Podcasting: PodFree Music (is Apple reading this… did I say Pod?) as a service.

    The deal with British Telecom alone should justify another round to staff up PodShow UK… They are going Global in the classic sense… sales, marketing, infrastructure relationships, etc.

    So, take the Gillmor Gang’s view with a grain of salt:
    “There isn’t anyone on this call that knows what they are talking about.” The truth of that statement is what makes it such a great podcast… some tech minded business types and journo’s talking about the news and current events.

    With respect to you pointing at PodShow dirt… it does you little credit. Resist the tempation if you can and just go build Podtech in the niche you’re targeting. B2L… “Business to Listener” podcasting. PodShow is NOT mining that field at all… you guys will make a great merger at some point when the costs of infrastructure need to be cut to survive and the ol’ economy of scale helps drive a better agreement with Limelight Networks or AT&T or whomever has the pipes you so covet and need to compete.

    Idid “McD”

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