I absolutely hate LinkedIn. Coding Horror explains why. I don’t respond to any request received via LinkedIn. Sorry.
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I absolutely hate LinkedIn. Coding Horror explains why. I don’t respond to any request received via LinkedIn. Sorry.
…LinkedIn hates you too. Just kidding, but really that type of networking is useless for someone like you. And quite frankly based on your vast network of contacts, it would be useless for someone to have you in their network. “Oh, you’re in Robert Scoble’s LinkedIn network…um, like who isn’t”. Sort of whore-ish at that level. I agree with some of the points in the link…I’ve never gotten anything of use from LinkedIn, or Classmates, or Facebook…ugh, social networking sucks.
…LinkedIn hates you too. Just kidding, but really that type of networking is useless for someone like you. And quite frankly based on your vast network of contacts, it would be useless for someone to have you in their network. “Oh, you’re in Robert Scoble’s LinkedIn network…um, like who isn’t”. Sort of whore-ish at that level. I agree with some of the points in the link…I’ve never gotten anything of use from LinkedIn, or Classmates, or Facebook…ugh, social networking sucks.
I think Social networking is useful in general and works where communication tends to be 1:n and “1″ is not able to respond so big “n” but not sure it’s useful in this case. I haven’t got any useful from LinkedIn at all – have anybody a different experience?
I think Social networking is useful in general and works where communication tends to be 1:n and “1″ is not able to respond so big “n” but not sure it’s useful in this case. I haven’t got any useful from LinkedIn at all – have anybody a different experience?
What exactly are you expecting from LinkedIn?
What exactly are you expecting from LinkedIn?
I’ve been slowly going through my own web2.0 clean-up. I’ve found LinkedIn handy from time to time, but not in a big way. I haven’t got to the point of adding it to the clean up pile though.
The only network I’ve gotten anything out of is 9rules. Huge benefits, but I suppose that comes from people wanting to be helpful and being organised in such a way where it is very easy to communicate needs.
Social/Professional networking online doesn’t suck, I think it just needs to be done at the group level rather than the “society” level that LinkedIn does it.
I’ve been slowly going through my own web2.0 clean-up. I’ve found LinkedIn handy from time to time, but not in a big way. I haven’t got to the point of adding it to the clean up pile though.
The only network I’ve gotten anything out of is 9rules. Huge benefits, but I suppose that comes from people wanting to be helpful and being organised in such a way where it is very easy to communicate needs.
Social/Professional networking online doesn’t suck, I think it just needs to be done at the group level rather than the “society” level that LinkedIn does it.
hmm, I have been able to keep in touch with friends, get my wife a new exciting job, help a couple of friends get new jobs, be offered a few interesting jobs (that weren’t exciting enough to take), and generally stay in touch with people who I have worked with in the past. It is also interesting to find where my life has intersected with several other coleagues in the past, working for a similar company or knowing particular people.
I’m not sure what other people expect out of LinkedIn, for me, it is a great way to keep up with everyone I interact with (co-workers, family, friends, etc, etc) and it is a great way to keep those people in touch with me.
hmm, I have been able to keep in touch with friends, get my wife a new exciting job, help a couple of friends get new jobs, be offered a few interesting jobs (that weren’t exciting enough to take), and generally stay in touch with people who I have worked with in the past. It is also interesting to find where my life has intersected with several other coleagues in the past, working for a similar company or knowing particular people.
I’m not sure what other people expect out of LinkedIn, for me, it is a great way to keep up with everyone I interact with (co-workers, family, friends, etc, etc) and it is a great way to keep those people in touch with me.
The benefits that Linkedin bring may not benefit every user. It does take a lot of effort to get it started before it becomes useful. It is a great way to reconnect the lost contact due to phone change, email change, company change or even career change. It saves a lot of time to inform your network on your change of job title and description, or any promotion. Sometimes you can be a little bit more creative in describing your profile, other than your boring resume on paper. I never submit my resume to any online job board but I feel Linkedin is a more fun place to add my listing.
I post on linkedin what I like the least about my work. My boss did cut down his singing frequency. By the way, he is a great karaoke singer – very good with Frank Sinatra. He can easily turn into a popular singing guest at any wedding. I am proud of him.
The benefits that Linkedin bring may not benefit every user. It does take a lot of effort to get it started before it becomes useful. It is a great way to reconnect the lost contact due to phone change, email change, company change or even career change. It saves a lot of time to inform your network on your change of job title and description, or any promotion. Sometimes you can be a little bit more creative in describing your profile, other than your boring resume on paper. I never submit my resume to any online job board but I feel Linkedin is a more fun place to add my listing.
I post on linkedin what I like the least about my work. My boss did cut down his singing frequency. By the way, he is a great karaoke singer – very good with Frank Sinatra. He can easily turn into a popular singing guest at any wedding. I am proud of him.
I am a consultant, and I make a ton of contacts at both conferences and client sites that I don’t want to lose. I’m not necessarily someone that they would think to notify when they change jobs or email addresses, but the nice thing about LinkedIn is that they don’t have to think to notify you, linked in takes care of it.
I don’t publish my resume, I don’t try to get ‘introductions’ — I just use it as big address book. Works great for me.
I am a consultant, and I make a ton of contacts at both conferences and client sites that I don’t want to lose. I’m not necessarily someone that they would think to notify when they change jobs or email addresses, but the nice thing about LinkedIn is that they don’t have to think to notify you, linked in takes care of it.
I don’t publish my resume, I don’t try to get ‘introductions’ — I just use it as big address book. Works great for me.
First, I agree we should allow members to remove their accounts without having to send a note to customer service. However, it has never made the priority list because there are so few account closure requests (and so many other requests to enhance features/create new ones).
But I hope we can get to it soon since it’s not good for LinkedIn to have accounts of users who don’t want to be there. I’m not expecting many account closures once we provide a self-service option since we have extremely few members who don’t respond to invitations or contact requests. They may not accept all invitations (which is in fact what we want), but they do accept invitations from people they know and trust.
When people say they haven’t received value from LinkedIn, I find it’s mostly because they have never tried to do a search to find someone who can help them with a specific business problem (need to hire someone, find an expert, check a reference, find investor, get inside connection to prospect/partner, get a job, etc.). So, the good news is that LinkedIn works. The bad news is that you have to work it. But, then again, how much value does Google provide if you don’t type something into the search box? It’s really no different with LinkedIn.
First, I agree we should allow members to remove their accounts without having to send a note to customer service. However, it has never made the priority list because there are so few account closure requests (and so many other requests to enhance features/create new ones).
But I hope we can get to it soon since it’s not good for LinkedIn to have accounts of users who don’t want to be there. I’m not expecting many account closures once we provide a self-service option since we have extremely few members who don’t respond to invitations or contact requests. They may not accept all invitations (which is in fact what we want), but they do accept invitations from people they know and trust.
When people say they haven’t received value from LinkedIn, I find it’s mostly because they have never tried to do a search to find someone who can help them with a specific business problem (need to hire someone, find an expert, check a reference, find investor, get inside connection to prospect/partner, get a job, etc.). So, the good news is that LinkedIn works. The bad news is that you have to work it. But, then again, how much value does Google provide if you don’t type something into the search box? It’s really no different with LinkedIn.
I’ve had lots of positive experiences with LinkedIn, including meeting a number of splendid fellow professionals through the “power group” of MyLinkedInPowerForum, a busy set of 170 different mailing lists for people who are interested in learning more about how to use LinkedIn to their professional advantage.
Robert, I think you might be throwing out the proverbial baby with the bathwater on this one and I’m happy to show you what I use it for when I’m in Seattle in 10 days!
I’ve had lots of positive experiences with LinkedIn, including meeting a number of splendid fellow professionals through the “power group” of MyLinkedInPowerForum, a busy set of 170 different mailing lists for people who are interested in learning more about how to use LinkedIn to their professional advantage.
Robert, I think you might be throwing out the proverbial baby with the bathwater on this one and I’m happy to show you what I use it for when I’m in Seattle in 10 days!
I am on linkedin more just because it is the only system most americans are able to use. so far it is quite useless.
I do although use openbc/xing very heavily – and be it just for the very basic reason that I am able to get real contact information from my contacts which I also can download to my system (You cannot synchronize which is one of my pet peeves but there are workarounds).
A lot of my contacts are not so close that I would inform them about any kind of changes, but I from time to time want to get in touch with them. I know you publish your mobile phone number online, but I would love to have it in one system where I do not have to update it myself because you do, seperated in the different settings.
And, even if you do not use linkedin, I would make a user just with the information in it, that you hate the system and will deny all requests for connection.
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I am on linkedin more just because it is the only system most americans are able to use. so far it is quite useless.
I do although use openbc/xing very heavily – and be it just for the very basic reason that I am able to get real contact information from my contacts which I also can download to my system (You cannot synchronize which is one of my pet peeves but there are workarounds).
A lot of my contacts are not so close that I would inform them about any kind of changes, but I from time to time want to get in touch with them. I know you publish your mobile phone number online, but I would love to have it in one system where I do not have to update it myself because you do, seperated in the different settings.
And, even if you do not use linkedin, I would make a user just with the information in it, that you hate the system and will deny all requests for connection.
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It’s been a lot of fun for me. It helped me to find a couple of old friends I had lost contact with. I’d been trying to find one of them for years. I’ve helped a couple of other people do the same. I don’t take it that seriously but I don’t think it is a bad thing either.
It’s been a lot of fun for me. It helped me to find a couple of old friends I had lost contact with. I’d been trying to find one of them for years. I’ve helped a couple of other people do the same. I don’t take it that seriously but I don’t think it is a bad thing either.
Like you, I get many invites from LinkedIn and when I do accept them (every few weeks I feel guilty and sign in), 98% of them have NOTHING to tell me. It’s like another notch on their belt. I have 4 contacts who have 500+ connections each!
Many of your readers above have found creative uses of the network…but I am like you. May be we are Luddites -)
Like you, I get many invites from LinkedIn and when I do accept them (every few weeks I feel guilty and sign in), 98% of them have NOTHING to tell me. It’s like another notch on their belt. I have 4 contacts who have 500+ connections each!
Many of your readers above have found creative uses of the network…but I am like you. May be we are Luddites -)
[...] Scoble, on the other hand, hates LinkedIn. And conveniently forgets when he liked it to begin with: I hate LinkedIn I absolutely hate LinkedIn. Coding Horror explains why. I don’t respond to any request received via LinkedIn. Sorry. [...]
I also have had mixed feelings about LinkedIn, although I wouldn’t say that I hate it. I have been a linked in “user” for a little over a year, although my account was kicked off over 2 years ago. The fact that it laid dormant and was not used for almost a year is probably a good example of the Robert Scoble experience with LinkedIn. Overall, I think the service is most useful as a way to track colleagues.
At the time I was working at AOL (I worked for AOL for almost 8 years before being laid off). At the end of my AOL career, I knew everyone that I could know and my address book/AIM buddy list was the way I networked with the players that be. Through a lot of networking, I could get in touch with pretty much anyone in the company.
However, the minute I got laid off in Oct of last year (way before the current rounds thankfully) everything changed. I started using LinkedIn as a tool to keep track of people I knew at AOL as they changed jobs within the company or as they left. It because a pseudo corporate directory for the people I only talk to once every couple months/years.
What happens if someone you worked with (someone I would call a strong business acquaintance, but not necessarily a personal friend) changes jobs? Would they know to tell you where they landed? Would they have a website that let everyone know, or a company that was forward thinking (or small) enough to publish their employee’s contact info? Unless you stay in regular contact and build yourself as an equally important person, when it comes time to find that business partner how do you do it?
I have not found any way better to help track this than LinkedIn. I am not a power user by any means (I have less than 60 contacts). But as long as the other person continues to use LinkedIn, if I ever need to cash in a favor in the future I’ll have a good place to start. And I gladly accept anyone who sends me an invite since they at one point talked to me long enough to get my email account or found it off a website like this. I want to get to know those type of people.
I understand why Robert doesn’t use, or doesn’t need LinkedIn. First, he lists his contact info in a central place, allowing search engines to track his info and present it to others. Second he has ablog that he tells people what is happening in his life (for example “Hey all, I’m leaving MS and here is my Email, My Skype, My Live Messenger, and GoogleTalk accounts!”). Most users don’t have this transparency in their lives.
I also have had mixed feelings about LinkedIn, although I wouldn’t say that I hate it. I have been a linked in “user” for a little over a year, although my account was kicked off over 2 years ago. The fact that it laid dormant and was not used for almost a year is probably a good example of the Robert Scoble experience with LinkedIn. Overall, I think the service is most useful as a way to track colleagues.
At the time I was working at AOL (I worked for AOL for almost 8 years before being laid off). At the end of my AOL career, I knew everyone that I could know and my address book/AIM buddy list was the way I networked with the players that be. Through a lot of networking, I could get in touch with pretty much anyone in the company.
However, the minute I got laid off in Oct of last year (way before the current rounds thankfully) everything changed. I started using LinkedIn as a tool to keep track of people I knew at AOL as they changed jobs within the company or as they left. It because a pseudo corporate directory for the people I only talk to once every couple months/years.
What happens if someone you worked with (someone I would call a strong business acquaintance, but not necessarily a personal friend) changes jobs? Would they know to tell you where they landed? Would they have a website that let everyone know, or a company that was forward thinking (or small) enough to publish their employee’s contact info? Unless you stay in regular contact and build yourself as an equally important person, when it comes time to find that business partner how do you do it?
I have not found any way better to help track this than LinkedIn. I am not a power user by any means (I have less than 60 contacts). But as long as the other person continues to use LinkedIn, if I ever need to cash in a favor in the future I’ll have a good place to start. And I gladly accept anyone who sends me an invite since they at one point talked to me long enough to get my email account or found it off a website like this. I want to get to know those type of people.
I understand why Robert doesn’t use, or doesn’t need LinkedIn. First, he lists his contact info in a central place, allowing search engines to track his info and present it to others. Second he has ablog that he tells people what is happening in his life (for example “Hey all, I’m leaving MS and here is my Email, My Skype, My Live Messenger, and GoogleTalk accounts!”). Most users don’t have this transparency in their lives.
At least, there’s SOME way to get out of it.
Much more hideous than LinkedIn is Plaxo. There you can’t control who uploads your full data to their service.
At least, there’s SOME way to get out of it.
Much more hideous than LinkedIn is Plaxo. There you can’t control who uploads your full data to their service.
Robert, This may help.
1. Account & Settings > Contact Settings
Select – I’ll accept only Introductions
Select – Do not notify me via email. I’ll check my LinkedIn Inbox instead.
You can cut down the no. of incoming emails from linkedin.
2. Update your profile. Copy & Paste!
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Robert, This may help.
1. Account & Settings > Contact Settings
Select – I’ll accept only Introductions
Select – Do not notify me via email. I’ll check my LinkedIn Inbox instead.
You can cut down the no. of incoming emails from linkedin.
2. Update your profile. Copy & Paste!
Vice President of Media Development at PodTech.net
If you are Recruiter, Service Provider, Job Seeker, Student or Secret Admirer, do not contact me.
If you are my blog fan, please go to http://scobleizer.wordpress.com.
If you are my Scoble TV fan, please go to http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/
If you are event organizer or from the press, you need my bio. Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Scoble
I am open for contacts if you are qualified and excellent candidate for my TV Show:
Executive Interview
Startup Demo
I find the endorsement feature in linkedin to be quite useful. I have 11 endorsements which reduces the burden on those friends. This I appreciate.
Tim – nice post!
Konstantin – it would be nice if you answered questions sent to you via e-mail privately as well as you did Robert’s blog entry.
I like linkedin overall but don’t find it as useful as it could be due to a lack of focus on user requests for community improvement:
- At least six months ago, I asked for last login date to be added like in myspace
RESULT: NEVER RECEIVED A RESPONSE OR ACTION.
- You claim you don’t like users who invite over and over. Yet I e-mailed regarding one user who has sent invites to me 7 to 1o times.
RESULT: NO RESPONSE OR ACTION.
- I’ve discussed several times the need to rectify multiple accounts held by casual users who land in new roles. This clutter makes Linkedin less useful than it could be.
RESULT: NO ACTION TO DATE.
I’d love to see Linkedin become a more customer focused and useful communtity. I don’t see the listening required to take it to the next level. So to summarize, I’ve gotten value out of linkedin but nowhere near the amount that I could if some changes made in the interest of users were made.
I find the endorsement feature in linkedin to be quite useful. I have 11 endorsements which reduces the burden on those friends. This I appreciate.
Tim – nice post!
Konstantin – it would be nice if you answered questions sent to you via e-mail privately as well as you did Robert’s blog entry.
I like linkedin overall but don’t find it as useful as it could be due to a lack of focus on user requests for community improvement:
- At least six months ago, I asked for last login date to be added like in myspace
RESULT: NEVER RECEIVED A RESPONSE OR ACTION.
- You claim you don’t like users who invite over and over. Yet I e-mailed regarding one user who has sent invites to me 7 to 1o times.
RESULT: NO RESPONSE OR ACTION.
- I’ve discussed several times the need to rectify multiple accounts held by casual users who land in new roles. This clutter makes Linkedin less useful than it could be.
RESULT: NO ACTION TO DATE.
I’d love to see Linkedin become a more customer focused and useful communtity. I don’t see the listening required to take it to the next level. So to summarize, I’ve gotten value out of linkedin but nowhere near the amount that I could if some changes made in the interest of users were made.
Robert my friend,
Please check this out. I can’t hold back my sense of humor. Sometimes it is a good thing to be very popular. Like a pretty girl in a bar get hit on by many guys.
This is what I found out. Sometime the more money you make the fewer people want to connect you.
I find your beloved employer Bill Gate sign up at Linkedin. But he is very lonely with only 1 connection. And he opens himself for Introduction and InMails.
http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=7437278&fromSearch=1&sik=1160789228601&split_page=1&goback=%2Enrp_1_1160789228601
I wouldn’t mind to network. It would be great if he wouldn’t mind to come by Silicon Valley and speak at our little tiny Web SIG and shake hands with geeks.
And the interesting part. You are right about Steve Baller. He hasn’t signup Linkedin yet. As you described, he usually run a little bit behind in social networking
Don’t worry. Google Founder Sergey Brin is no where to be found too. He is too busy releasing products.
Robert my friend,
Please check this out. I can’t hold back my sense of humor. Sometimes it is a good thing to be very popular. Like a pretty girl in a bar get hit on by many guys.
This is what I found out. Sometime the more money you make the fewer people want to connect you.
I find your beloved employer Bill Gate sign up at Linkedin. But he is very lonely with only 1 connection. And he opens himself for Introduction and InMails.
http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=7437278&fromSearch=1&sik=1160789228601&split_page=1&goback=%2Enrp_1_1160789228601
I wouldn’t mind to network. It would be great if he wouldn’t mind to come by Silicon Valley and speak at our little tiny Web SIG and shake hands with geeks.
And the interesting part. You are right about Steve Baller. He hasn’t signup Linkedin yet. As you described, he usually run a little bit behind in social networking
Don’t worry. Google Founder Sergey Brin is no where to be found too. He is too busy releasing products.
I find it useful as an address book, finding job contacts, and general reputation service (through a chain of trust, I spot people I can also probably trust).
I’ve only gotten one or two invites from headhunters or connection collectors, and I just locked them out.
I find it useful as an address book, finding job contacts, and general reputation service (through a chain of trust, I spot people I can also probably trust).
I’ve only gotten one or two invites from headhunters or connection collectors, and I just locked them out.
[...] 後者的死亡，應該是每天都在發生。是有人在杜爛 linkedin（例如Scobleizer hate linkedin、Coding Horror與Russell Beattie；我自己是從 linkedIn 結構性的履歷表上面獲益很多），我很討厭 orkut 後來爛掉的感覺。有人用 web 2.0 cleanup 這個系列影像讓我覺得蠻震撼的。設計 2.0 的軟體，的確應該考慮到消失的時候該怎麼辦。或許我們應該多考慮到軟體死亡的問題… 作者：ilya，時間：1:23 pm [...]
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Linkedin – sminked in, whatever! I agree wholeheartedly! I find all I need via the blogosphere or dirt-world networking. I have little use for Linkedin, et al. Robert – you owe me answers to my interview! Please!
Linkedin – sminked in, whatever! I agree wholeheartedly! I find all I need via the blogosphere or dirt-world networking. I have little use for Linkedin, et al. Robert – you owe me answers to my interview! Please!
LinkedIn has been very useful for me lately. I love the updates when one of my contacts updates their profile. It can be so hard to keep up with everyone that this little feature makes a big difference in my world.
LinkedIn has been very useful for me lately. I love the updates when one of my contacts updates their profile. It can be so hard to keep up with everyone that this little feature makes a big difference in my world.
I just began creating a LinkedIn network on Friday based on the recommendation of a former colleague; I’m looking for a few consulting contracts. I haven’t completed my profile, but did land a new contract over the weekend as the result of my LinkedIn invitation to a former coworker, and have two others in the works that are the result of 2nd degree contacts.
For a person like me who took a few years off to focus on family, it seems to be a great vehicle for getting the word out as I make my way back into the professional world. It’s been a quick and easy way to track down former colleagues.
I just began creating a LinkedIn network on Friday based on the recommendation of a former colleague; I’m looking for a few consulting contracts. I haven’t completed my profile, but did land a new contract over the weekend as the result of my LinkedIn invitation to a former coworker, and have two others in the works that are the result of 2nd degree contacts.
For a person like me who took a few years off to focus on family, it seems to be a great vehicle for getting the word out as I make my way back into the professional world. It’s been a quick and easy way to track down former colleagues.
What’s LinkedIn? Maybe you should explain you concepts before talking about them…
What’s LinkedIn? Maybe you should explain you concepts before talking about them…
I like LinkedIN, but it’s just another social tool I use to keep up with people. I sometimes feel like I need to have the public (will connect with anyone profile) and another profile that reflect my actual connections. I’m just too nice to turn people down most times. And I still turn down 50% of my requests.
If your blog has even minimal readership you are a LinkedIN spam target. It’s like being a mini-celeb, with none of the cool perks
Because there is an incentive to build connections, people will game it. Doostang is rather interesting. I’ve never gotten spam there, but then I’ve only got a handful of connections and I haven’t worked at ‘cool places’ that probably get alot of searches. Anyhoo, I kinda agree and I kinda disagree. How’s that for straddling the fence?
I like LinkedIN, but it’s just another social tool I use to keep up with people. I sometimes feel like I need to have the public (will connect with anyone profile) and another profile that reflect my actual connections. I’m just too nice to turn people down most times. And I still turn down 50% of my requests.
If your blog has even minimal readership you are a LinkedIN spam target. It’s like being a mini-celeb, with none of the cool perks
Because there is an incentive to build connections, people will game it. Doostang is rather interesting. I’ve never gotten spam there, but then I’ve only got a handful of connections and I haven’t worked at ‘cool places’ that probably get alot of searches. Anyhoo, I kinda agree and I kinda disagree. How’s that for straddling the fence?
I wonder if Robert would have made this post if USVP had funded LinkedIn instead of Sequoia Capital?
From my perspective, LinkedIn seems fairly harmless. Hate seems too strong of a word when they make it hard to unsubscribe from their service.
There is a lot of injustice in this world. Difficulty in unsubscribing from a social networking site just doesn’t seem to rank up there.
My guess is that there is something else going on here. Who at LinkedIn put that bee in your bonnet Robert?