Apple’s PR is "blame it on Microsoft"

Yeah, Paul, I was just reading through my feeds (I just shared a ton of items on my link blog) and noticed that Apple has been taking a lot of crap for blaming its shipping a virus on Microsoft. That WAS classless. Paul Mooney called it right.

By the way, I’m hearing about all sorts of problems with Apple’s MacBooks (and Maryam’s MacBookPro runs very hot). Maybe Apple should take the log out of its own eye?

Speaking of saying what I think, Doc Searls did that today on a post about PayPerPost.

90 thoughts on “Apple’s PR is "blame it on Microsoft"

  1. Can you help me? I want to move the secretary’s files to an emac that runs both os9 and osX. I can not get the micsroft works documents to open. I want her to switch to word but I get a memory issue on the newer mac saying that there is not enough memory even though I have 512. Her old imac had 256. Can you figure out what to do? thanks

  2. Can you help me? I want to move the secretary’s files to an emac that runs both os9 and osX. I can not get the micsroft works documents to open. I want her to switch to word but I get a memory issue on the newer mac saying that there is not enough memory even though I have 512. Her old imac had 256. Can you figure out what to do? thanks

  3. Bat,

    Did I limit that to Apple? No. It’s a tactic Microsoft uses against *anyone* who is a competitor. Apple, Linux, Solaris, you name it. They’re not alone of course. Novell wrote white papers on it, IBM was a master decades before any of the other three existed.

    What Apple did was tacky and crass, and I’ve been absolutely consistent in that. But please, lets not act as though Microsoft is a swaddling babe of an innocent here. They play the trash talk game as fast and as hard as anyone.

    It’s just in this case, it was in execerable taste, and Jos owes a Microsoft a public apology for it.

  4. Bat,

    Did I limit that to Apple? No. It’s a tactic Microsoft uses against *anyone* who is a competitor. Apple, Linux, Solaris, you name it. They’re not alone of course. Novell wrote white papers on it, IBM was a master decades before any of the other three existed.

    What Apple did was tacky and crass, and I’ve been absolutely consistent in that. But please, lets not act as though Microsoft is a swaddling babe of an innocent here. They play the trash talk game as fast and as hard as anyone.

    It’s just in this case, it was in execerable taste, and Jos owes a Microsoft a public apology for it.

  5. “Because it’s a classic Microsoft tactic, still used by Ballmer? AKA, talk a lot of smack about your competition, even if it’s not true or even particularly accurate? It was a tacky thing to say, but please, lets remember that this is a long, honored tactic in the computer biz, one that Microsoft is still using. ”
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    When’s the last time the Microsoft publicly trashed Apple? I can’t remember, that’s how long it’s been. When’s the last time that Apple publicly trashed Microsoft? 1.) Yesterday; 2.) the patheic WWDC “MS sucks” whinefest; 3.) Job’s recent interview trashing Zune; on and on. Equating MS with Apple when it comes to “talking smack” about each other is the height of intellectual dishonesty on your part, but not surprising since 99% of your posts here are MS-bash-a-thons.

  6. “Because it’s a classic Microsoft tactic, still used by Ballmer? AKA, talk a lot of smack about your competition, even if it’s not true or even particularly accurate? It was a tacky thing to say, but please, lets remember that this is a long, honored tactic in the computer biz, one that Microsoft is still using. ”
    ——————

    When’s the last time the Microsoft publicly trashed Apple? I can’t remember, that’s how long it’s been. When’s the last time that Apple publicly trashed Microsoft? 1.) Yesterday; 2.) the patheic WWDC “MS sucks” whinefest; 3.) Job’s recent interview trashing Zune; on and on. Equating MS with Apple when it comes to “talking smack” about each other is the height of intellectual dishonesty on your part, but not surprising since 99% of your posts here are MS-bash-a-thons.

  7. I love the Holy Wars!

    It’s like everyone on the MS side completely missed the part where Apple said “We blame ourselves MORE…”

    Is it selective memory, or as Scoble puts it, just classless?

  8. I love the Holy Wars!

    It’s like everyone on the MS side completely missed the part where Apple said “We blame ourselves MORE…”

    Is it selective memory, or as Scoble puts it, just classless?

  9. grrr…MacBooks, too? I wish Apple would address the Powerbook G4 lower-RAM-slot-death issue. I’ve been an Apple Kool-Aid drinker for over 20 years but there has been a steady decline in customer service over the last few years and unfortunately it’s been paired with product glitches and buggy behavior. My trust in Apple is waning.

  10. grrr…MacBooks, too? I wish Apple would address the Powerbook G4 lower-RAM-slot-death issue. I’ve been an Apple Kool-Aid drinker for over 20 years but there has been a steady decline in customer service over the last few years and unfortunately it’s been paired with product glitches and buggy behavior. My trust in Apple is waning.

  11. Dave, I disagree about this even playing so badly. What is wrong with using off color remarks; are we not adult enough to determine things without resorting to emoticons? Any long time Apple user has had to endure years of disparaging comments until very recently. Remember how the word “beleagured” became the default adjective when publications described anything Apple in the 90s.

    They have earned their swagger and I’d be more critical of things like backdating stock options than a small dig at Microsoft. And as a Windows admin for the last decade, I think it’s pretty well deserved too.

  12. Dave, I disagree about this even playing so badly. What is wrong with using off color remarks; are we not adult enough to determine things without resorting to emoticons? Any long time Apple user has had to endure years of disparaging comments until very recently. Remember how the word “beleagured” became the default adjective when publications described anything Apple in the 90s.

    They have earned their swagger and I’d be more critical of things like backdating stock options than a small dig at Microsoft. And as a Windows admin for the last decade, I think it’s pretty well deserved too.

  13. Dave, you referred to TWO researchers at Gartner as if they represented the entity. That pair might be OS on any X86 computer enthusiasts, but Gartner as an entity has not taken that position.

    Here’s the latest via the Chicago Tribune:

    “Those gains gave Apple 6.1% of the U.S. computer market, eclipsing Toshiba Corp. and closing in on Gateway Inc., according to industry researcher Gartner Inc.”

    Gartner seems to realize the Mac is not going away.

  14. Dave, you referred to TWO researchers at Gartner as if they represented the entity. That pair might be OS on any X86 computer enthusiasts, but Gartner as an entity has not taken that position.

    Here’s the latest via the Chicago Tribune:

    “Those gains gave Apple 6.1% of the U.S. computer market, eclipsing Toshiba Corp. and closing in on Gateway Inc., according to industry researcher Gartner Inc.”

    Gartner seems to realize the Mac is not going away.

  15. “Bat Masterson” (geez), and others, Apple wouldn’t ship iPods with Mac “malware” because there isn’t any that propagates succesfully in the wild. There are zero examples of this happening in other than contrived conditions. Never happened, so you’re posing a hypothetical question. I know that’s hard to accept, but that’s the data folks, not my opinion. All the supposed counter-examples are “theoretical vulnearbilities” not malware that propagates in the real world.

    So, the malware, spyware, virii, and all the rest are Windows issues, period.

    To look at this another way. GM sells a car. They have to do a recall because a subcontractor sells them defective parts. GM apologies for the recall and wishes the vendor of the part had better quaility control. Sound appropriate to me, and identical to the current situation. I too wish that subcontractor made a better product.

  16. “Bat Masterson” (geez), and others, Apple wouldn’t ship iPods with Mac “malware” because there isn’t any that propagates succesfully in the wild. There are zero examples of this happening in other than contrived conditions. Never happened, so you’re posing a hypothetical question. I know that’s hard to accept, but that’s the data folks, not my opinion. All the supposed counter-examples are “theoretical vulnearbilities” not malware that propagates in the real world.

    So, the malware, spyware, virii, and all the rest are Windows issues, period.

    To look at this another way. GM sells a car. They have to do a recall because a subcontractor sells them defective parts. GM apologies for the recall and wishes the vendor of the part had better quaility control. Sound appropriate to me, and identical to the current situation. I too wish that subcontractor made a better product.

  17. Oh, from a comment on Paul Mooney’s blog:

    We encourage all third party vendors to follow best practices and help protect their users regardless of platform through careful scanning of the software they ship, so that they do not expose their customers to unnecessary risk from malicious software.

    I followed “best practices” by drop-kicking my Windows PC years ago and going Mac. Four years on DSL, no virus software … and zero infections.

  18. Oh, from a comment on Paul Mooney’s blog:

    We encourage all third party vendors to follow best practices and help protect their users regardless of platform through careful scanning of the software they ship, so that they do not expose their customers to unnecessary risk from malicious software.

    I followed “best practices” by drop-kicking my Windows PC years ago and going Mac. Four years on DSL, no virus software … and zero infections.

  19. I read Apple’s comments as being tongue-in-cheek also. Microsoft has no sense of humor? Poor big Microsoft is the victim? boo-hoo!

    Agreed. Get a sense of humor, everyone! Sheesh: talk about looking for something to complain about …

    Looks to me like Mac haters were eager to see Apple take a black eye — then they got mad when Apple pointed out (as a joke, but also correctly) that the iPod virus problem really says more about Windows problems than it does about Apple.

  20. I read Apple’s comments as being tongue-in-cheek also. Microsoft has no sense of humor? Poor big Microsoft is the victim? boo-hoo!

    Agreed. Get a sense of humor, everyone! Sheesh: talk about looking for something to complain about …

    Looks to me like Mac haters were eager to see Apple take a black eye — then they got mad when Apple pointed out (as a joke, but also correctly) that the iPod virus problem really says more about Windows problems than it does about Apple.

  21. @30: Ask and you shall receive….

    ZDNet article with quotes

    Two things for clarification…

    (1) Apologies for not providing the link earlier. I was running late for an appointment and had to wrap my earlier lengthy comment up.

    (2) After being a MS consultant and MCSD back in the late 90s, I now am forced to use a Windows PC at work to program in ABAP. At home I currently own 3 PowerPC Macs (I’ll like wait until after the second gen MacBook Pros are released before using my ADC hardware discount), three iPods and about 110 shares of Apple that I bought almost 3 years ago.

    Apple makes very good hardware, a fantastic OS, and cool things all around. BUT… however toungue-in-cheek they may have been here, they are usually much more PR savvy than that.

  22. @30: Ask and you shall receive….

    ZDNet article with quotes

    Two things for clarification…

    (1) Apologies for not providing the link earlier. I was running late for an appointment and had to wrap my earlier lengthy comment up.

    (2) After being a MS consultant and MCSD back in the late 90s, I now am forced to use a Windows PC at work to program in ABAP. At home I currently own 3 PowerPC Macs (I’ll like wait until after the second gen MacBook Pros are released before using my ADC hardware discount), three iPods and about 110 shares of Apple that I bought almost 3 years ago.

    Apple makes very good hardware, a fantastic OS, and cool things all around. BUT… however toungue-in-cheek they may have been here, they are usually much more PR savvy than that.

  23. I think Apple makes cool products and all that but why can’t Steve Jobs (and others) speak for 5 minutes without mentioning Microsoft?

    Because it’s a classic Microsoft tactic, still used by Ballmer? AKA, talk a lot of smack about your competition, even if it’s not true or even particularly accurate? It was a tacky thing to say, but please, lets remember that this is a long, honored tactic in the computer biz, one that Microsoft is still using.

    Welcome to the real world.

  24. I think Apple makes cool products and all that but why can’t Steve Jobs (and others) speak for 5 minutes without mentioning Microsoft?

    Because it’s a classic Microsoft tactic, still used by Ballmer? AKA, talk a lot of smack about your competition, even if it’s not true or even particularly accurate? It was a tacky thing to say, but please, lets remember that this is a long, honored tactic in the computer biz, one that Microsoft is still using.

    Welcome to the real world.

  25. “Oh yeah, I see it now. It was indeed Microsoft’s fault.”

    No, it wasn’t Microsoft’s fault. Neither was it Apple’s. It was the manufacturer’s fault.

  26. “Oh yeah, I see it now. It was indeed Microsoft’s fault.”

    No, it wasn’t Microsoft’s fault. Neither was it Apple’s. It was the manufacturer’s fault.

  27. Dave said:

    “(3) @6: In regards to your reply to @5: Can you blame him/her for not making this distinction? Even Gartner today released a so-called non-biased report that Apple should stop selling computers and license OS X to Dell. It’s a bunch of BS – but there nonetheless.”

    I would like to see a citation. Everything I’ve read today has been ‘go Apple,’ considering its wonderful stock market performance for the quarter.

    I must disagree with the piling on regarding Apple’s statement about the virus that effected an apparent miniscule portion of iPods. Fact of the matter is that Windows is the weak link that allowed that to occur. No virus prone Windows? No infection.

    I will hazard a guess that the infection arose on a single computer that tests iPods for Windows compatibility since the number is so low.

  28. Dave said:

    “(3) @6: In regards to your reply to @5: Can you blame him/her for not making this distinction? Even Gartner today released a so-called non-biased report that Apple should stop selling computers and license OS X to Dell. It’s a bunch of BS – but there nonetheless.”

    I would like to see a citation. Everything I’ve read today has been ‘go Apple,’ considering its wonderful stock market performance for the quarter.

    I must disagree with the piling on regarding Apple’s statement about the virus that effected an apparent miniscule portion of iPods. Fact of the matter is that Windows is the weak link that allowed that to occur. No virus prone Windows? No infection.

    I will hazard a guess that the infection arose on a single computer that tests iPods for Windows compatibility since the number is so low.

  29. “About the iPods, it was not Apple directly though that made this mistake but the manufacturer.”

    Oh yeah, I see it now. It was indeed Microsoft’s fault. It’s sad that Steve Jobs and Apple have to splash mud at Microsoft to make themselves good. Frankly, I don’t understand Apple’s obsession with Microsoft. I think Apple makes cool products and all that but why can’t Steve Jobs (and others) speak for 5 minutes without mentioning Microsoft? Sad!

  30. “About the iPods, it was not Apple directly though that made this mistake but the manufacturer.”

    Oh yeah, I see it now. It was indeed Microsoft’s fault. It’s sad that Steve Jobs and Apple have to splash mud at Microsoft to make themselves good. Frankly, I don’t understand Apple’s obsession with Microsoft. I think Apple makes cool products and all that but why can’t Steve Jobs (and others) speak for 5 minutes without mentioning Microsoft? Sad!

  31. “What if MacBU shipped a few copies of Mac Office with Mac malware and then blamed OSX’s “poor design”? Would you be defending that too?”

    This would not happen. Simply because the MacBU is the only corner of the Microsoft empire which is not filled with Evil. :D

    About the iPods, it was not Apple directly though that made this mistake but the manufacturer.

  32. “What if MacBU shipped a few copies of Mac Office with Mac malware and then blamed OSX’s “poor design”? Would you be defending that too?”

    This would not happen. Simply because the MacBU is the only corner of the Microsoft empire which is not filled with Evil. :D

    About the iPods, it was not Apple directly though that made this mistake but the manufacturer.

  33. mmmmm am I the only conspiracy theorist here?? With the Zune soon to come out why not spread the word how easy it is for you to spread Viruses with an MP3 player to Windozes machines. The timing is perfect – buyer beware your Zune will probably be as virus infected as your computer – better switch to a Mac and an iPod now.

    BTW yes I drink the Apple kool-aid – yes I believe Steve Jobs is more infallible than the pope – and making fun of all things micro$oft is so much fun and so easy:))))

  34. mmmmm am I the only conspiracy theorist here?? With the Zune soon to come out why not spread the word how easy it is for you to spread Viruses with an MP3 player to Windozes machines. The timing is perfect – buyer beware your Zune will probably be as virus infected as your computer – better switch to a Mac and an iPod now.

    BTW yes I drink the Apple kool-aid – yes I believe Steve Jobs is more infallible than the pope – and making fun of all things micro$oft is so much fun and so easy:))))

  35. “Okay, here’s one Mac kool aid drinker who thinks it’s a fair comment. Apple admitted they screwed up (or, rather, a 3rd party manufacturer did) and also said this wouldn’t have happened but for the poor design of Windows. There’s nothing incorrect or inappropriate about that statement.”
    —————————-

    The “poor design of Windows”? So if Apple shipped iPods loaded with Mac malware, then would you say that it was the “poor design” of OSX that was at fault? Because Mac’s aren’t immune to malware, and an iPod can indeed be loaded with Mac malware (code for such was posted to the slashdot discussion regarding this issue). Remember that Apple constantly issues Security Updates for its OS. OS isn’t immune by any stretch of the imagination.

    This had nothing to do with OS design; any OS could be vulnerable to malware that’s directly plugged into the system. This has to do with Apple screwing up and classlessly bashing MS. If they get away with that (which they aren’t, most people are ripping them), they could *theoretically* use that as a marketing strategy in the future; purposely ship Windows malware then say, “See? Windows sucks! Use Macs instead!”.

    What if MacBU shipped a few copies of Mac Office with Mac malware and then blamed OSX’s “poor design”? Would you be defending that too?

  36. “Okay, here’s one Mac kool aid drinker who thinks it’s a fair comment. Apple admitted they screwed up (or, rather, a 3rd party manufacturer did) and also said this wouldn’t have happened but for the poor design of Windows. There’s nothing incorrect or inappropriate about that statement.”
    —————————-

    The “poor design of Windows”? So if Apple shipped iPods loaded with Mac malware, then would you say that it was the “poor design” of OSX that was at fault? Because Mac’s aren’t immune to malware, and an iPod can indeed be loaded with Mac malware (code for such was posted to the slashdot discussion regarding this issue). Remember that Apple constantly issues Security Updates for its OS. OS isn’t immune by any stretch of the imagination.

    This had nothing to do with OS design; any OS could be vulnerable to malware that’s directly plugged into the system. This has to do with Apple screwing up and classlessly bashing MS. If they get away with that (which they aren’t, most people are ripping them), they could *theoretically* use that as a marketing strategy in the future; purposely ship Windows malware then say, “See? Windows sucks! Use Macs instead!”.

    What if MacBU shipped a few copies of Mac Office with Mac malware and then blamed OSX’s “poor design”? Would you be defending that too?

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