One place IE7 is better than Firefox

October 22, 2006 By

Here’s one sample, that uses CSS extensively, that does behave better on IE7 than on Firefox 2. But, I really don’t like inline text sites like this for some reason. Do you?

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  • http://www.louisgray.com/live/ Louis Gray

    That site also looks great in Apple’s Safari.

  • http://www.louisgray.com/live/ Louis Gray

    That site also looks great in Apple’s Safari.

  • http://billsaysthis.com/ BillSaysThis

    Why is this page, hosted on microsoft.com, a seemingly direct lift of Zen Garden without crediting the original source? I’m not saying they didn’t get permission but it does seem very strange. The original Zen Garden FAQ is pretty explicit on this point:

    “Can I use these designs for other things?
    You may not use any of the graphics (image files: GIF, JPG, and PNG) on the Zen Garden elsewhere without the original designer’s written permission. There are no exceptions to this.”

  • http://billsaysthis.com BillSaysThis

    Why is this page, hosted on microsoft.com, a seemingly direct lift of Zen Garden without crediting the original source? I’m not saying they didn’t get permission but it does seem very strange. The original Zen Garden FAQ is pretty explicit on this point:

    “Can I use these designs for other things?
    You may not use any of the graphics (image files: GIF, JPG, and PNG) on the Zen Garden elsewhere without the original designer’s written permission. There are no exceptions to this.”

  • Andreas

    Yup. Looks fine in Safari.

  • Andreas

    Yup. Looks fine in Safari.

  • Sherry

    I looked at this page with IE6 and it looks awful. I can’t get the text to not overlap. So on my Win2000 system, I’ll have to say Firefox is still better.

  • Sherry

    I looked at this page with IE6 and it looks awful. I can’t get the text to not overlap. So on my Win2000 system, I’ll have to say Firefox is still better.

  • http://brettatkin.com/ Brett Atkin

    It doesn’t behave at all in my IE 6.0, unreadable. It displays correctly (but extremely slowwwww to respond) in Opera, Flock and Firefox 1.0 (all XP). Is there something wrong with my IE 6.0? Does it work for others in IE 6?

  • http://brettatkin.com Brett Atkin

    It doesn’t behave at all in my IE 6.0, unreadable. It displays correctly (but extremely slowwwww to respond) in Opera, Flock and Firefox 1.0 (all XP). Is there something wrong with my IE 6.0? Does it work for others in IE 6?

  • sam

    OMG, that renders perfectly but hurts my eyes.

    Technically, that’s a position: fixed text layout and doesn’t have to do with display: inline.

  • sam

    OMG, that renders perfectly but hurts my eyes.

    Technically, that’s a position: fixed text layout and doesn’t have to do with display: inline.

  • http://acidzebra.blogspot.com/ Michiel

    Looks fine (well, like shiny ass but renders correctly) in Firefox 1.5.0.7 but IE6 botches it up completely.

    Christ, I need to go wash out my eyes.

  • http://acidzebra.blogspot.com Michiel

    Looks fine (well, like shiny ass but renders correctly) in Firefox 1.5.0.7 but IE6 botches it up completely.

    Christ, I need to go wash out my eyes.

  • Thermopyle

    I’m with BillSaysThis in regard to the curious nature of a CSS Zen Garden ( http://www.csszengarden.com/ ) site being hosted by MS.

    FYI, the CSS Zen Garden has been around for years.

  • Thermopyle

    I’m with BillSaysThis in regard to the curious nature of a CSS Zen Garden ( http://www.csszengarden.com/ ) site being hosted by MS.

    FYI, the CSS Zen Garden has been around for years.

  • Bess

    Oh oh…

    Site appearance is totally off on IE6.

    Why the page is located at private directory within Microsoft?

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/ietechcol/cols/dnexpie/cssZenGarden.htm

    Too bad I am very tight on spare time. I wish I could record the screenshots to show how it messes up in IE6.

    Does it mean IE7 will mess up good sites run well on IE6?

  • Bess

    Oh oh…

    Site appearance is totally off on IE6.

    Why the page is located at private directory within Microsoft?

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/ietechcol/cols/dnexpie/cssZenGarden.htm

    Too bad I am very tight on spare time. I wish I could record the screenshots to show how it messes up in IE6.

    Does it mean IE7 will mess up good sites run well on IE6?

  • Bruce Boughton

    This is a theme for the Zen Garden the IE7 team produced to test/show off the CSS improvements in IE7. I believe it was featured on one of Scoble’s videos. I think they gained permission from Dave Shea to use this, so there’s no real issue about the use of the site.

  • Bruce Boughton

    This is a theme for the Zen Garden the IE7 team produced to test/show off the CSS improvements in IE7. I believe it was featured on one of Scoble’s videos. I think they gained permission from Dave Shea to use this, so there’s no real issue about the use of the site.

  • Jim

    Why didn’t they just submit it to the real Zen Garden????

  • Jim

    Why didn’t they just submit it to the real Zen Garden????

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  • http://limulus.wordpress.com/ Limulus

    Can you give any examples of a “place IE7 is better than Firefox” that doesn’t have “microsoft.com” in its URL? ;) I’m just saying… O:)

  • http://limulus.wordpress.com/ Limulus

    Can you give any examples of a “place IE7 is better than Firefox” that doesn’t have “microsoft.com” in its URL? ;) I’m just saying… O:)

  • http://billsaysthis.com/ BillSaysThis

    Bruce, I don’t doubt that you’re correct and this is done with permission. However explicit acknowledgment of such a well nown source seems like a good idea, if only to avoid unnecessary negative reactions.

  • http://billsaysthis.com BillSaysThis

    Bruce, I don’t doubt that you’re correct and this is done with permission. However explicit acknowledgment of such a well nown source seems like a good idea, if only to avoid unnecessary negative reactions.

  • http://www.frumhere.com/ frum

    Yeah, but look at this in IE http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/150/150.css&page=5

    then in Firefox

  • http://www.frumhere.com frum

    Yeah, but look at this in IE http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/150/150.css&page=5

    then in Firefox

  • Bess

    Little bit of disappointed with IE team.

    Here is browser guy from SF. He has worked on tool to capture all possible browser type, version, screen size, etc for many years. Instead of messing around on your machine, his service allow you to capture the screen results from different browser versions and types within seconds.

    I imagine his business has been quiet for the last 5 years. I am glad he is staying with his business all these years. He was our speaker.

    http://www.browsercam.com/Features.aspx

  • Bess

    Little bit of disappointed with IE team.

    Here is browser guy from SF. He has worked on tool to capture all possible browser type, version, screen size, etc for many years. Instead of messing around on your machine, his service allow you to capture the screen results from different browser versions and types within seconds.

    I imagine his business has been quiet for the last 5 years. I am glad he is staying with his business all these years. He was our speaker.

    http://www.browsercam.com/Features.aspx

  • Bruce Boughton

    IIRC, they couldn’t submit it because they edited the HTML slightly.

  • Bruce Boughton

    IIRC, they couldn’t submit it because they edited the HTML slightly.

  • http://www.somej.net/ Justin Wignall

    From what I recall they didn’t submit it as in IE6 it would have looked terible and wouldn;t pass the zen garden requirements for working/looking right in IE6 to make the ‘full’ gallery. It was quite a while ago though so I may be wrong…

  • http://www.somej.net Justin Wignall

    From what I recall they didn’t submit it as in IE6 it would have looked terible and wouldn;t pass the zen garden requirements for working/looking right in IE6 to make the ‘full’ gallery. It was quite a while ago though so I may be wrong…

  • http://www.arpit.net/blog Arpit

    Microsoft is pretty lame when it comes to Internet :)

  • http://www.arpit.net/blog Arpit

    Microsoft is pretty lame when it comes to Internet :)

  • http://boti.ru/ Tamir

    It looks exactly the same in IE7 on Vista and FF2.0

  • http://boti.ru/ Tamir

    It looks exactly the same in IE7 on Vista and FF2.0

  • http://gmatter.wordpress.com/ subbu

    i dont know on what basis you say its better on IE7 than on FF.I took quite some time to load on IE7..and the looks are qiute similar except for the difference in the font rendering.

  • http://gmatter.wordpress.com/ subbu

    i dont know on what basis you say its better on IE7 than on FF.I took quite some time to load on IE7..and the looks are qiute similar except for the difference in the font rendering.

  • Tom Brandt

    Like others have said in their comments, the reference page looks crappy on “Old IE.” The links do not work and the arangement of the items on the page is all screwed up.

    Okay, Microsoft is trying to take a giant leap forward with IE7, but I for one will wait until the dust settles before I admit it to my computer. I elected to block the automatic downloading of IE7. I rarely use IE anyway and I don’t want to have the hastle of dealing with the new one.

    Here’s the link to the Microsoft page where you can download the IE7 Blocker:

  • Tom Brandt

    Like others have said in their comments, the reference page looks crappy on “Old IE.” The links do not work and the arangement of the items on the page is all screwed up.

    Okay, Microsoft is trying to take a giant leap forward with IE7, but I for one will wait until the dust settles before I admit it to my computer. I elected to block the automatic downloading of IE7. I rarely use IE anyway and I don’t want to have the hastle of dealing with the new one.

    Here’s the link to the Microsoft page where you can download the IE7 Blocker:

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  • Bat Masterson

    “i dont know on what basis you say its better on IE7 than on FF.I took quite some time to load on IE7..and the looks are qiute similar except for the difference in the font rendering.”
    —————–

    Scroll the page and you’ll see one big difference. FF exhibits major tearing while scrolling. (I’m using FF 1.x.)

  • Bat Masterson

    “i dont know on what basis you say its better on IE7 than on FF.I took quite some time to load on IE7..and the looks are qiute similar except for the difference in the font rendering.”
    —————–

    Scroll the page and you’ll see one big difference. FF exhibits major tearing while scrolling. (I’m using FF 1.x.)

  • http://www.nickdavis.com/ Nick Davis

    Another place IE7 is cooler: on a tablet PC. Firefox just sucks with the tablet.

  • http://www.nickdavis.com Nick Davis

    Another place IE7 is cooler: on a tablet PC. Firefox just sucks with the tablet.

  • TAG

    Wow … Page designed by Microsoft works better in their latest browser – but not others browser and even not in previous version of Microsoft own browser.

    Did you see anything unexpected here ? I don’t.

    Nobody will buy Microsoft proposal to use CSS in such a way that no browser other that IE7 will show it. Well – almost nobody – as Microsoft can put all this “pretty” code to ASP.NET and push it to user via lazy ASP developers.

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