Will this little story about Google and CIA gain legs?

Notice how stories get passed along in the word-of-mouth networks. Here Karel leaves a link in my comments. That leads to his blog, which is asking is Google in bed with the CIA, which leads to Michael Hampton’s blog, with even more info on this.

I gotta call Google PR and find out what the official comment is. Actually, let’s see how long it takes for Google PR to leave a comment here. I’m posting this at 5:26 p.m.

Note: I do not know whether any of this is true. It sure would be nice to have some transparency on the kinds of things that are being collected and also know who those are being shared with, and why. But I doubt we’ll ever get that kind of transparency.

CNBC ran a documentary today titled “Big Brother, Big Business” which talked about similar issues with search engine companies sharing information collected about us with governmental agencies (here’s an article about CNBC’s documentary business). Anyone know if you can find that on the Internet? I searched YouTube and couldn’t find it.

68 thoughts on “Will this little story about Google and CIA gain legs?

  1. They all in bed together, every one of them. The upper-class has always ruled over the spoils and value produced by the people. I have one word for the global village, “Military Industrial Complex”. Go ahead and believe their lies and propaganda, go to sleep frogs.

  2. They all in bed together, every one of them. The upper-class has always ruled over the spoils and value produced by the people. I have one word for the global village, “Military Industrial Complex”. Go ahead and believe their lies and propaganda, go to sleep frogs.

  3. I thought my comment a couple of days ago was clear, but apparently it wasn’t to at least one person. I asked Robert about Microsoft’s involvement with Jack Abramoff because I think that relationship is just as, if not more, problemmatic than anything Google MIGHT be doing. (And, let us remember it is still ‘might.) Perhaps I’ve being overly skeptical, but it seems to me that a smear campaign saying ‘Google is in bed with the CIA’ would be an excellent way for a competitor to cause Google trouble because of competitivenesss, not concern about privacy or illegalities. At the very least, some of the company Microsoft has kept is worthy of criticism, too. As FAW pointed out, corporations do not have morals.

  4. I thought my comment a couple of days ago was clear, but apparently it wasn’t to at least one person. I asked Robert about Microsoft’s involvement with Jack Abramoff because I think that relationship is just as, if not more, problemmatic than anything Google MIGHT be doing. (And, let us remember it is still ‘might.) Perhaps I’ve being overly skeptical, but it seems to me that a smear campaign saying ‘Google is in bed with the CIA’ would be an excellent way for a competitor to cause Google trouble because of competitivenesss, not concern about privacy or illegalities. At the very least, some of the company Microsoft has kept is worthy of criticism, too. As FAW pointed out, corporations do not have morals.

  5. @28

    Come on Matt. You’re going to fall for that “Google says it’s untrue” post? Who said it? Which person at Google? What exactly is untrue? The links with the CIA? That they assist the CIA? That they censor info? The links with the CIA ARE THERE by the way, there is no denying that. The CIA owns google stock at the very least. They also seem to share facilities.

    I read your responses to prisonplanet and spacewars claims. I want it from Google. Let them officially state why they did what they did. And then, I want to see what prisonplanet and spacewar say about it.
    It would be so easy, if those sites were doing something illegal, to just show us what they did and why it was neccesary to delist them. Wouldn’t it? That way, not only could those sites know what they did wrong, but also everyone else so we could be careful in the future.
    But why do they keep quiet themselves, sending out only PR crap?

  6. @28

    Come on Matt. You’re going to fall for that “Google says it’s untrue” post? Who said it? Which person at Google? What exactly is untrue? The links with the CIA? That they assist the CIA? That they censor info? The links with the CIA ARE THERE by the way, there is no denying that. The CIA owns google stock at the very least. They also seem to share facilities.

    I read your responses to prisonplanet and spacewars claims. I want it from Google. Let them officially state why they did what they did. And then, I want to see what prisonplanet and spacewar say about it.
    It would be so easy, if those sites were doing something illegal, to just show us what they did and why it was neccesary to delist them. Wouldn’t it? That way, not only could those sites know what they did wrong, but also everyone else so we could be careful in the future.
    But why do they keep quiet themselves, sending out only PR crap?

  7. I’m a little surprised that otherwise intelligent people could have missed the little matter of habeas corpus R.I.P., or how Bush has been quietly signing all laws you passed into power with a qualifier statement wherein he states that he can break any law he feels like as like as he feels it is in the countries best interest, and no one besides himself need know what that decision is based on.

    How…when a President deliberately sought to avoid telling FISA of his spying using the excuse when caught that he felt he needed to act immediately *yet FISA allows him to tell them after the fact regardless* and yet you trust this man to do the right thing, well…you deserve the government you get. After all, when he tells you that “terrorists” (who may or may not have WMDs) are a bigger threat than when the megatons of WMDs the USSR and Red Army /definitely had/ were all pointed straight at you…….AND YET YOU BELIEVE HIM??!!

    Let me give you a little advice; stick to IT. Geopolitics and history are NOT your forte.

    Here. Read something.
    Or get out more

  8. I’m a little surprised that otherwise intelligent people could have missed the little matter of habeas corpus R.I.P., or how Bush has been quietly signing all laws you passed into power with a qualifier statement wherein he states that he can break any law he feels like as like as he feels it is in the countries best interest, and no one besides himself need know what that decision is based on.

    How…when a President deliberately sought to avoid telling FISA of his spying using the excuse when caught that he felt he needed to act immediately *yet FISA allows him to tell them after the fact regardless* and yet you trust this man to do the right thing, well…you deserve the government you get. After all, when he tells you that “terrorists” (who may or may not have WMDs) are a bigger threat than when the megatons of WMDs the USSR and Red Army /definitely had/ were all pointed straight at you…….AND YET YOU BELIEVE HIM??!!

    Let me give you a little advice; stick to IT. Geopolitics and history are NOT your forte.

    Here. Read something.
    Or get out more

  9. @20 Who says I don’t see slippery slopes? I do, but the ones you are describing are currently pretty much non-existent. You would do well read more than tech related blogs before pretending to be informed.

    I see you failed to answer my questions: Have you read FISA? If so, where is there any missing transparency that is not within the law? Do you have examples of US Citizens being imprisoned due to unreasonable searches and seizures that the courts have not rectified. Finally, you did read the US v Rumsfeld decision, right? And you did read the MCA 2006, right? Likely not, so let me help you. The MCA pertty much passes the SC’s Hamdan test. It creates the fairest military trial process in history (and if you understand military jusitce, that is quite an accomplishment) It provides TERRORISTS with Lawyers and a appeal process all the way up to the Federal District Courts (FDR, JFK and Reagan are likely turning over in their graves. Carter, on the other hand, is as happy has he was when he was sharing Christmas cards with Arafat). And it requires the gubmint to share any evidence it has with the courts. What the hell more do you want?

    Now, remind me again where the slippery slope currently exists.

  10. @20 Who says I don’t see slippery slopes? I do, but the ones you are describing are currently pretty much non-existent. You would do well read more than tech related blogs before pretending to be informed.

    I see you failed to answer my questions: Have you read FISA? If so, where is there any missing transparency that is not within the law? Do you have examples of US Citizens being imprisoned due to unreasonable searches and seizures that the courts have not rectified. Finally, you did read the US v Rumsfeld decision, right? And you did read the MCA 2006, right? Likely not, so let me help you. The MCA pertty much passes the SC’s Hamdan test. It creates the fairest military trial process in history (and if you understand military jusitce, that is quite an accomplishment) It provides TERRORISTS with Lawyers and a appeal process all the way up to the Federal District Courts (FDR, JFK and Reagan are likely turning over in their graves. Carter, on the other hand, is as happy has he was when he was sharing Christmas cards with Arafat). And it requires the gubmint to share any evidence it has with the courts. What the hell more do you want?

    Now, remind me again where the slippery slope currently exists.

  11. Karel, Google has given an official comment on the CIA allegations to John Battelle at http://battellemedia.com/archives/003051.php

    The official quote is “The statements related to Google are completely untrue.” Very little ambiguity there, yes?

    Karel, you also said “The fact that they [Google] have kept quiet about it, and have not said anything about the claims spacewar and prisonplanet are making shows that they probably can’t say anything else.”

    Please re-read my comment in @13. I responded directly to the spacewar and other prisonplanet claims at http://www.threadwatch.org/node/9612 recently and at http://www.threadwatch.org/node/5981 months ago.

  12. Karel, Google has given an official comment on the CIA allegations to John Battelle at http://battellemedia.com/archives/003051.php

    The official quote is “The statements related to Google are completely untrue.” Very little ambiguity there, yes?

    Karel, you also said “The fact that they [Google] have kept quiet about it, and have not said anything about the claims spacewar and prisonplanet are making shows that they probably can’t say anything else.”

    Please re-read my comment in @13. I responded directly to the spacewar and other prisonplanet claims at http://www.threadwatch.org/node/9612 recently and at http://www.threadwatch.org/node/5981 months ago.

  13. BuildingThePerfectBeast: Google is demonstrating they’ll buy best of breed, even if it kicks their own product’s ass and costs $1.6 billion. :-)

    Translation: I don’t worry too much about hurt feelings.

  14. BuildingThePerfectBeast: Google is demonstrating they’ll buy best of breed, even if it kicks their own product’s ass and costs $1.6 billion. :-)

    Translation: I don’t worry too much about hurt feelings.

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