John Dvorak is wrong again — this time about “death” of FrontPage

He says blogging killed FrontPage.

The thing that really killed FrontPage? Microsoft’s marketing team tested the name on a range of developers and Web designers/builders. They all derided it. The marketers learned there was no way they were going to be able to continue with the FrontPage brand. So they killed the brand.

Does the code live on? Yes. Sorta.

The Microsoft Expression Web product is really a continuation of FrontPage. But it’s been totally rebuilt. Why? Cause FrontPage had a reputation for changing code, for not respecting standards, and for forcing its own style on the development team. Those problems are all gone now.

You can see the new Expression Web demoed and meet the team in interviews on ScobleShow.

Anyway, it’s time to go get dressed for Chris and Ponzi’s wedding. I hear their vows will appear on Chris’ blog at about the same time that he and Ponzi are saying them to each other.

I’m not going to blog, but Jake Ludington and I were thinking about how we could stream video. We won’t know if that’s possible until we get to the place and see if there’s any good Wifi. Either way, you’ll get a report later.

UPDATE: there’s more over on Digg. The comments there are a good example of why I don’t get much value from Digg. Too much noise and very little knowledge.

69 thoughts on “John Dvorak is wrong again — this time about “death” of FrontPage

  1. I was a bit of a skeptic when I first heard FrontPage was being phased out…until I took a closer look at what was replacing it. Now I know why…and I've see Dreamweaver users take note of the improvements in Web Design thanks to Microsoft and their ingenious ways! Some have called Expression Web and subsequent upgrades as a more affordable version of Dreamweaver CS3/CS4. I'm happy to be able to stick with Microsoft Products such as Expression Web and this is a huge step for them to have made this overhaul – for which I am grateful!

  2. I was a bit of a skeptic when I first heard FrontPage was being phased out…until I took a closer look at what was replacing it. Now I know why…and I've see Dreamweaver users take note of the improvements in Web Design thanks to Microsoft and their ingenious ways! Some have called Expression Web and subsequent upgrades as a more affordable version of Dreamweaver CS3/CS4. I'm happy to be able to stick with Microsoft Products such as Expression Web and this is a huge step for them to have made this overhaul – for which I am grateful!

  3. Well Front Page is verry good Web Design Tool but I stop to use him 2 years ago and decide to use Dreamweaver. I think that Microsoft decide to finish with front page and send him in pension because they see and understand that Dreamweaver is much more better and spread that FP. If they want to success in this part of software they need to build something new!

  4. Well Front Page is verry good Web Design Tool but I stop to use him 2 years ago and decide to use Dreamweaver. I think that Microsoft decide to finish with front page and send him in pension because they see and understand that Dreamweaver is much more better and spread that FP. If they want to success in this part of software they need to build something new!

  5. While Microsoft’s marketing may have fired the fatal bullet, the market for personal GeoCities Frontpagey type of sites, did indeed run dry, but it’s not all blogging, MySpace Facebooky-like morphs, played their part too…but it’s all just a natural commodity-market progression. Well, add in the usual Microsoft twiddling and marketing trainwrecks, but in a way, it’s even beyond that, as a simple end of lifecycle; no tears are shed regardless. ;)

    1. GeoCities —> Frontpage
    2. WordPress/Blogger/Wiki/MySpace/Facebook
    /YouTubeisms/Site Specific HTML tools —> no need for an extra ‘webby html code tool’
    3. HTML/XML/Java/Ruby —-> Prosumer to Professional market.

  6. While Microsoft’s marketing may have fired the fatal bullet, the market for personal GeoCities Frontpagey type of sites, did indeed run dry, but it’s not all blogging, MySpace Facebooky-like morphs, played their part too…but it’s all just a natural commodity-market progression. Well, add in the usual Microsoft twiddling and marketing trainwrecks, but in a way, it’s even beyond that, as a simple end of lifecycle; no tears are shed regardless. ;)

    1. GeoCities —> Frontpage
    2. WordPress/Blogger/Wiki/MySpace/Facebook
    /YouTubeisms/Site Specific HTML tools —> no need for an extra ‘webby html code tool’
    3. HTML/XML/Java/Ruby —-> Prosumer to Professional market.

  7. Expression Web isn’t portable, but it makes great strides in interop by leading designers to build more standards-based solutions.

    Right. Microsoft pushing solutions that don’t bind you to windows. Again Bryan, when I see it happening on a regular basis, consistently across the board. Not just one division, but ALL OF THEM, I’ll buy it. Don’t forget, I’ve heard Microsoft play this song before, and I know how it ended.

    John – The Community Technology Preview of “WPF/E” was released (for Windows and Mac) last week: http://www.microsoft.com/wpfe

    And let’s read the FAQ, shall we?

    Hmm…you can only design WPF/E content on WIndows. That’s handy. Not really, but Microsoft said this when they first announced it. No suprises there.

    The CTP release will support Windows Media Audio and Video 9 (WMV and WMA) and popular profiles of the SMPTE-standard VC-1 codec. When we release the final version, MP3 audio will also be supported. Additional formats will be available at final release based on customer feedback.

    How handy, they’ll “let” it support MP3 too. Gee, how…open.

    Will “WPF/E” support DRM? What about on devices?

    Microsoft will support content protection as an option set by content providers and is actively investigating customer requirements for rights management for a variety of scenarios.

    Wanna bet it won’t support anything that WiMP on the Mac didn’t support?

    I also see that Microsoft is really loving their new, even stupider license:

    “You may not
    • disclose the results of any benchmark tests of the software to any third party without Microsoft’s prior written approval;
    • work around any technical limitations in the software;”

    Can SOMEONE explain to me what the HELL “you may not work around technical limitations in the software” means?

    Why does a PLUGIN that goes in a directory that I have full access to require a root login. Wait, Microsoft, no clue, never mind.

    It doesn’t work in Firefox 2.0:

    “You must be running Firefox 1.5.0.8 to view “WPF/E” content on this page. Visit the “WPF/E” product site for more details.”

    Good job there. Way to go.

    But then, there were betas of Active X Mac. It’s a nice start, and honestly, more than I expected from the WIndows team. But it isn’t done yet. As well, you have to use Windows to develop this?

    Oy.

  8. Expression Web isn’t portable, but it makes great strides in interop by leading designers to build more standards-based solutions.

    Right. Microsoft pushing solutions that don’t bind you to windows. Again Bryan, when I see it happening on a regular basis, consistently across the board. Not just one division, but ALL OF THEM, I’ll buy it. Don’t forget, I’ve heard Microsoft play this song before, and I know how it ended.

    John – The Community Technology Preview of “WPF/E” was released (for Windows and Mac) last week: http://www.microsoft.com/wpfe

    And let’s read the FAQ, shall we?

    Hmm…you can only design WPF/E content on WIndows. That’s handy. Not really, but Microsoft said this when they first announced it. No suprises there.

    The CTP release will support Windows Media Audio and Video 9 (WMV and WMA) and popular profiles of the SMPTE-standard VC-1 codec. When we release the final version, MP3 audio will also be supported. Additional formats will be available at final release based on customer feedback.

    How handy, they’ll “let” it support MP3 too. Gee, how…open.

    Will “WPF/E” support DRM? What about on devices?

    Microsoft will support content protection as an option set by content providers and is actively investigating customer requirements for rights management for a variety of scenarios.

    Wanna bet it won’t support anything that WiMP on the Mac didn’t support?

    I also see that Microsoft is really loving their new, even stupider license:

    “You may not
    • disclose the results of any benchmark tests of the software to any third party without Microsoft’s prior written approval;
    • work around any technical limitations in the software;”

    Can SOMEONE explain to me what the HELL “you may not work around technical limitations in the software” means?

    Why does a PLUGIN that goes in a directory that I have full access to require a root login. Wait, Microsoft, no clue, never mind.

    It doesn’t work in Firefox 2.0:

    “You must be running Firefox 1.5.0.8 to view “WPF/E” content on this page. Visit the “WPF/E” product site for more details.”

    Good job there. Way to go.

    But then, there were betas of Active X Mac. It’s a nice start, and honestly, more than I expected from the WIndows team. But it isn’t done yet. As well, you have to use Windows to develop this?

    Oy.

  9. > The Microsoft Expression Web product is really a continuation of FrontPage. But it’s been totally rebuilt.

    Kinda contradictory. Then, when a “program” is actually killed?

  10. > The Microsoft Expression Web product is really a continuation of FrontPage. But it’s been totally rebuilt.

    Kinda contradictory. Then, when a “program” is actually killed?

  11. Larry is right – FrontPage became the Sharepoint Designer. Obviously, for non-Sharepoint development, Expression Web is taking over as the premier design tool for web developers.

    Also, I found FrontPage 2003 to be a great HTML and XML editor. That’s ignoring the WYSIWYG design portion, of course. Clearly Visual Studio does that just as well, but not everybody has that.

  12. Larry is right – FrontPage became the Sharepoint Designer. Obviously, for non-Sharepoint development, Expression Web is taking over as the premier design tool for web developers.

    Also, I found FrontPage 2003 to be a great HTML and XML editor. That’s ignoring the WYSIWYG design portion, of course. Clearly Visual Studio does that just as well, but not everybody has that.

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