Comments on: John Dvorak is wrong again — this time about “death” of FrontPage http://scobleizer.com/2006/12/09/john-dvorak-is-wrong-again-this-time-about-death-of-frontpage/ Exploring the 2010 Web Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:21:48 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Gerry Teigro http://scobleizer.com/2006/12/09/john-dvorak-is-wrong-again-this-time-about-death-of-frontpage/comment-page-1/#comment-115749 Gerry Teigro Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:01:46 +0000 http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006/12/09/john-dvorak-is-wrong-again-this-time-about-death-of-frontpage/#comment-115749 I was a bit of a skeptic when I first heard FrontPage was being phased out...until I took a closer look at what was replacing it. Now I know why...and I've see Dreamweaver users take note of the improvements in Web Design thanks to Microsoft and their ingenious ways! Some have called Expression Web and subsequent upgrades as a more affordable version of Dreamweaver CS3/CS4. I'm happy to be able to stick with Microsoft Products such as Expression Web and this is a huge step for them to have made this overhaul - for which I am grateful! I was a bit of a skeptic when I first heard FrontPage was being phased out…until I took a closer look at what was replacing it. Now I know why…and I've see Dreamweaver users take note of the improvements in Web Design thanks to Microsoft and their ingenious ways! Some have called Expression Web and subsequent upgrades as a more affordable version of Dreamweaver CS3/CS4. I'm happy to be able to stick with Microsoft Products such as Expression Web and this is a huge step for them to have made this overhaul – for which I am grateful!

]]> By: Front Page 2003 Tips http://scobleizer.com/2006/12/09/john-dvorak-is-wrong-again-this-time-about-death-of-frontpage/comment-page-1/#comment-49575 Front Page 2003 Tips Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:25:16 +0000 http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006/12/09/john-dvorak-is-wrong-again-this-time-about-death-of-frontpage/#comment-49575 Well Front Page is verry good Web Design Tool but I stop to use him 2 years ago and decide to use Dreamweaver. I think that Microsoft decide to finish with front page and send him in pension because they see and understand that Dreamweaver is much more better and spread that FP. If they want to success in this part of software they need to build something new! Well Front Page is verry good Web Design Tool but I stop to use him 2 years ago and decide to use Dreamweaver. I think that Microsoft decide to finish with front page and send him in pension because they see and understand that Dreamweaver is much more better and spread that FP. If they want to success in this part of software they need to build something new!

]]> By: The Mindful Geek » Web 2.0’s fall from grace. http://scobleizer.com/2006/12/09/john-dvorak-is-wrong-again-this-time-about-death-of-frontpage/comment-page-1/#comment-49545 The Mindful Geek » Web 2.0’s fall from grace. Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:37:03 +0000 http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006/12/09/john-dvorak-is-wrong-again-this-time-about-death-of-frontpage/#comment-49545 [...] December 15, 2006Web 2.0’s fall from grace. The web has come a long ways in terms of usefulness. The interfaces are much easier and nicer. It is easier to search and share information. But has it become too easy and too mainstream? The comments there are a good example of why I don’t get much value from Digg. Too much noise and very little knowledge. Robert Scoble [...] [...] December 15, 2006Web 2.0’s fall from grace. The web has come a long ways in terms of usefulness. The interfaces are much easier and nicer. It is easier to search and share information. But has it become too easy and too mainstream? The comments there are a good example of why I don’t get much value from Digg. Too much noise and very little knowledge. Robert Scoble [...]

]]> By: Christopher Coulter http://scobleizer.com/2006/12/09/john-dvorak-is-wrong-again-this-time-about-death-of-frontpage/comment-page-1/#comment-49556 Christopher Coulter Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:28:40 +0000 http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006/12/09/john-dvorak-is-wrong-again-this-time-about-death-of-frontpage/#comment-49556 While Microsoft's marketing may have fired the fatal bullet, the market for personal GeoCities Frontpagey type of sites, did indeed run dry, but it's not all blogging, MySpace Facebooky-like morphs, played their part too...but it's all just a natural commodity-market progression. Well, add in the usual Microsoft twiddling and marketing trainwrecks, but in a way, it's even beyond that, as a simple end of lifecycle; no tears are shed regardless. ;) 1. GeoCities ---> Frontpage 2. Wordpress/Blogger/Wiki/MySpace/Facebook /YouTubeisms/Site Specific HTML tools ---> no need for an extra 'webby html code tool' 3. HTML/XML/Java/Ruby ----> Prosumer to Professional market. While Microsoft’s marketing may have fired the fatal bullet, the market for personal GeoCities Frontpagey type of sites, did indeed run dry, but it’s not all blogging, MySpace Facebooky-like morphs, played their part too…but it’s all just a natural commodity-market progression. Well, add in the usual Microsoft twiddling and marketing trainwrecks, but in a way, it’s even beyond that, as a simple end of lifecycle; no tears are shed regardless. ;)

1. GeoCities —> Frontpage
2. Wordpress/Blogger/Wiki/MySpace/Facebook
/YouTubeisms/Site Specific HTML tools —> no need for an extra ‘webby html code tool’
3. HTML/XML/Java/Ruby —-> Prosumer to Professional market.

]]> By: Scoble on FrontPage « Randy Holloway Unfiltered http://scobleizer.com/2006/12/09/john-dvorak-is-wrong-again-this-time-about-death-of-frontpage/comment-page-1/#comment-49539 Scoble on FrontPage « Randy Holloway Unfiltered Mon, 11 Dec 2006 06:36:02 +0000 http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006/12/09/john-dvorak-is-wrong-again-this-time-about-death-of-frontpage/#comment-49539 [...] Scoble comments on FrontPage: “The thing that really killed FrontPage? Microsoft’s marketing team tested the name on a range of developers and Web designers/builders. They all derided it. The marketers learned there was no way they were going to be able to continue with the FrontPage brand. So they killed the brand. Does the code live on? Yes. Sorta. The Microsoft Expression Web product is really a continuation of FrontPage. But it’s been totally rebuilt.” [...] [...] Scoble comments on FrontPage: “The thing that really killed FrontPage? Microsoft’s marketing team tested the name on a range of developers and Web designers/builders. They all derided it. The marketers learned there was no way they were going to be able to continue with the FrontPage brand. So they killed the brand. Does the code live on? Yes. Sorta. The Microsoft Expression Web product is really a continuation of FrontPage. But it’s been totally rebuilt.” [...]

]]> By: John C. Welch http://scobleizer.com/2006/12/09/john-dvorak-is-wrong-again-this-time-about-death-of-frontpage/comment-page-1/#comment-49540 John C. Welch Mon, 11 Dec 2006 05:03:18 +0000 http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006/12/09/john-dvorak-is-wrong-again-this-time-about-death-of-frontpage/#comment-49540 <i>Expression Web isn’t portable, but it makes great strides in interop by leading designers to build more standards-based solutions.</i> Right. Microsoft pushing solutions that don't bind you to windows. Again Bryan, when I see it happening on a regular basis, consistently across the board. Not just one division, but ALL OF THEM, I'll buy it. Don't forget, I've heard Microsoft play this song before, and I know how it ended. <i>John - The Community Technology Preview of “WPF/E” was released (for Windows and Mac) last week: http://www.microsoft.com/wpfe</i> And let's read the FAQ, shall we? Hmm...you can only design WPF/E content on WIndows. That's handy. Not really, but Microsoft said this when they first announced it. No suprises there. <i>The CTP release will support Windows Media Audio and Video 9 (WMV and WMA) and popular profiles of the SMPTE-standard VC-1 codec. When we release the final version, MP3 audio will also be supported. Additional formats will be available at final release based on customer feedback.</i> How handy, they'll "let" it support MP3 too. Gee, how...open. <i>Will "WPF/E" support DRM? What about on devices? Microsoft will support content protection as an option set by content providers and is actively investigating customer requirements for rights management for a variety of scenarios. </i> Wanna bet it won't support anything that WiMP on the Mac didn't support? I also see that Microsoft is really loving their new, even stupider license: "You may not • disclose the results of any benchmark tests of the software to any third party without Microsoft’s prior written approval; • work around any technical limitations in the software;" Can SOMEONE explain to me what the HELL "you may not work around technical limitations in the software" means? Why does a PLUGIN that goes in a directory that I have full access to require a root login. Wait, Microsoft, no clue, never mind. It doesn't work in Firefox 2.0: "You must be running Firefox 1.5.0.8 to view "WPF/E" content on this page. Visit the "WPF/E" product site for more details." Good job there. Way to go. But then, there were betas of Active X Mac. It's a nice start, and honestly, more than I expected from the WIndows team. But it isn't done yet. As well, you have to use Windows to develop this? Oy. Expression Web isn’t portable, but it makes great strides in interop by leading designers to build more standards-based solutions.

Right. Microsoft pushing solutions that don’t bind you to windows. Again Bryan, when I see it happening on a regular basis, consistently across the board. Not just one division, but ALL OF THEM, I’ll buy it. Don’t forget, I’ve heard Microsoft play this song before, and I know how it ended.

John – The Community Technology Preview of “WPF/E” was released (for Windows and Mac) last week: http://www.microsoft.com/wpfe

And let’s read the FAQ, shall we?

Hmm…you can only design WPF/E content on WIndows. That’s handy. Not really, but Microsoft said this when they first announced it. No suprises there.

The CTP release will support Windows Media Audio and Video 9 (WMV and WMA) and popular profiles of the SMPTE-standard VC-1 codec. When we release the final version, MP3 audio will also be supported. Additional formats will be available at final release based on customer feedback.

How handy, they’ll “let” it support MP3 too. Gee, how…open.

Will “WPF/E” support DRM? What about on devices?

Microsoft will support content protection as an option set by content providers and is actively investigating customer requirements for rights management for a variety of scenarios.

Wanna bet it won’t support anything that WiMP on the Mac didn’t support?

I also see that Microsoft is really loving their new, even stupider license:

“You may not
• disclose the results of any benchmark tests of the software to any third party without Microsoft’s prior written approval;
• work around any technical limitations in the software;”

Can SOMEONE explain to me what the HELL “you may not work around technical limitations in the software” means?

Why does a PLUGIN that goes in a directory that I have full access to require a root login. Wait, Microsoft, no clue, never mind.

It doesn’t work in Firefox 2.0:

“You must be running Firefox 1.5.0.8 to view “WPF/E” content on this page. Visit the “WPF/E” product site for more details.”

Good job there. Way to go.

But then, there were betas of Active X Mac. It’s a nice start, and honestly, more than I expected from the WIndows team. But it isn’t done yet. As well, you have to use Windows to develop this?

Oy.

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