No more “computer” in Apple?

Om Malik has an interesting insight. No, not that the iPhone won’t be here until summer. The fact that Apple dropped “computer” from its name today.

It’s ironic. Apple gets more conversations started here on the floor of the Consumer Electronics Show than any other company. I’m here in the Seagate booth and EVERYONE is talking about Apple today.

Comments

  1. CNN.com has the iphone as the lead story, that despite the fact that there 10,000 ‘other’ new products in Vegas with probably 10x the number of people there looking around.

    But it really is a sexy phone. In the business world, it is almost a laptop substitute for some users (not me). I can think back to my days as a system admin where there were always a few people who were constantly clamoring ‘I need a laptop’ (i.e. the ones who don’t really need one) for which this phone would more than sufficient.

  2. CNN.com has the iphone as the lead story, that despite the fact that there 10,000 ‘other’ new products in Vegas with probably 10x the number of people there looking around.

    But it really is a sexy phone. In the business world, it is almost a laptop substitute for some users (not me). I can think back to my days as a system admin where there were always a few people who were constantly clamoring ‘I need a laptop’ (i.e. the ones who don’t really need one) for which this phone would more than sufficient.

  3. Of course, this is all despite the fact that Apple doesn’t blog. They’re not part of the conversation, right?

    …There are other ways of getting the word outside of having a blog.

  4. Of course, this is all despite the fact that Apple doesn’t blog. They’re not part of the conversation, right?

    …There are other ways of getting the word outside of having a blog.

  5. Why do people talk so much about Apple? Because people /love/ Apple. People love their MacBooks, iPods, etc. They’ll love their iPhones. Whereas most people don’t give a shit about their Dell boxes.

    Sure use the word fanboy. Doesn’t worry me. I’m passionate about Apple. Never felt that way, and never will, about someone like Microsoft (for example)

  6. Why do people talk so much about Apple? Because people /love/ Apple. People love their MacBooks, iPods, etc. They’ll love their iPhones. Whereas most people don’t give a shit about their Dell boxes.

    Sure use the word fanboy. Doesn’t worry me. I’m passionate about Apple. Never felt that way, and never will, about someone like Microsoft (for example)

  7. Apple is finally throwing in the towel! I remember the Apple IIc, the Lisa, then the Mac. Back in the days when the only Personal Computer was made by International Business Machines. When having “computer” in your name was a mark of distinction. Since then they’ve strove to become the opposite of their IBM doppelganger. More touchy feely, more warm and cozy. Microsoft supplants IBM, and that stiff corporate persona gets transferred by osmosis. Today, instead of trying to be a computer company, Apple has decided to just BE…. whatever they are. And that’s cool, because people generally like it when you’re not trying to be somebody else. Microsoft, meanwhile, has been trying to change. And real change – character change – is a tough thing to pull off. But they’re doing it. Time will tell which company is more “real.”

  8. Apple is finally throwing in the towel! I remember the Apple IIc, the Lisa, then the Mac. Back in the days when the only Personal Computer was made by International Business Machines. When having “computer” in your name was a mark of distinction. Since then they’ve strove to become the opposite of their IBM doppelganger. More touchy feely, more warm and cozy. Microsoft supplants IBM, and that stiff corporate persona gets transferred by osmosis. Today, instead of trying to be a computer company, Apple has decided to just BE…. whatever they are. And that’s cool, because people generally like it when you’re not trying to be somebody else. Microsoft, meanwhile, has been trying to change. And real change – character change – is a tough thing to pull off. But they’re doing it. Time will tell which company is more “real.”

  9. iPod, iPhone, OSX 10.5, bootcamp/parallels..

    It has me rethinking my next laptop purchase…

    Its a pity 90% of the world still focuses on Windows for their desktop.. (and i’m one of those 90% at the moment..) But that may change ?? (even if its via parallels/bootcamp).

  10. iPod, iPhone, OSX 10.5, bootcamp/parallels..

    It has me rethinking my next laptop purchase…

    Its a pity 90% of the world still focuses on Windows for their desktop.. (and i’m one of those 90% at the moment..) But that may change ?? (even if its via parallels/bootcamp).

  11. The device is sure to disappoint. It looks great but wait until someone tries to use it in a way where text input is required. No tactile feedback = not a good experience.

  12. The device is sure to disappoint. It looks great but wait until someone tries to use it in a way where text input is required. No tactile feedback = not a good experience.

  13. I suspect that Apple’s thinking is that if a lot of text input is required for a task, a laptop would be a better tool.

    Then again maybe they are leaving keyboards for the iPhone for the accessory manufacturers to build as a dock connector attachment.

  14. I suspect that Apple’s thinking is that if a lot of text input is required for a task, a laptop would be a better tool.

    Then again maybe they are leaving keyboards for the iPhone for the accessory manufacturers to build as a dock connector attachment.

  15. Matthew: my brother-in-law worked on the new iPhone. He tells me that most of the new products Apple is funding is in consumer electronics. WHich makes sense because he has a chain of stores that he needs to fill with cool gadgets.

  16. Matthew: my brother-in-law worked on the new iPhone. He tells me that most of the new products Apple is funding is in consumer electronics. WHich makes sense because he has a chain of stores that he needs to fill with cool gadgets.

  17. The word computer is completely outdated. I never refer to my MacBook as a ‘computer’, though I call it a laptop sometimes… My MacBook (and many other ‘computers’) are much more than what a computer can do: it’s a music player; it’s a movie editor, it’s so much more than a machine that does culculations and ‘computations’. Smart move.

  18. The word computer is completely outdated. I never refer to my MacBook as a ‘computer’, though I call it a laptop sometimes… My MacBook (and many other ‘computers’) are much more than what a computer can do: it’s a music player; it’s a movie editor, it’s so much more than a machine that does culculations and ‘computations’. Smart move.

  19. Not sure how I’ll feel about a phone with no “keys.” It goes to show you that Apple knows what it is doing in both product creating and marketing. People love what they make because the products are usually innovative and easy to use and they look good as well.

  20. Not sure how I’ll feel about a phone with no “keys.” It goes to show you that Apple knows what it is doing in both product creating and marketing. People love what they make because the products are usually innovative and easy to use and they look good as well.

  21. Steve J and crew did a great job today.
    The iPhone looks cool.

    I am just ticked off about them patenting Multi-Touch.

    Can they steal multi-touch the way they stole UI from Xerox Parc?

  22. Steve J and crew did a great job today.
    The iPhone looks cool.

    I am just ticked off about them patenting Multi-Touch.

    Can they steal multi-touch the way they stole UI from Xerox Parc?

  23. Apple used to make computers?! Heck, I only know them for the iPod and figured they’re just a music (and now also a phone) company!

    Sorry, couldn’t resist. Once bought an original Mac (1984) for $2500 and couldn’t ever figure out why. Never owned an iPod…never will.

  24. Apple used to make computers?! Heck, I only know them for the iPod and figured they’re just a music (and now also a phone) company!

    Sorry, couldn’t resist. Once bought an original Mac (1984) for $2500 and couldn’t ever figure out why. Never owned an iPod…never will.

  25. HOLY CRAP!?! A PHONE?!?!

    I’m amazed at how crazy everybody is getting over this stupid phone. I get it, the iPod is good, but as far as I remeber, Apple has failed far more often than it has succeeded with Hardware.

    Newton, Mac Mini, the monitor on a stick iMac, and don’t forget about Apple’s involvement in the wildly unsuccessful ROKR phone.

    I think that this thing will have all kinds of neat features that most people don’t use and end up being killed by the contract with AT&T.

  26. HOLY CRAP!?! A PHONE?!?!

    I’m amazed at how crazy everybody is getting over this stupid phone. I get it, the iPod is good, but as far as I remeber, Apple has failed far more often than it has succeeded with Hardware.

    Newton, Mac Mini, the monitor on a stick iMac, and don’t forget about Apple’s involvement in the wildly unsuccessful ROKR phone.

    I think that this thing will have all kinds of neat features that most people don’t use and end up being killed by the contract with AT&T.

  27. Its amazing to read these comments and think that as much as “The Scobleizer” seems like a continuing microsoft shill, the apple people are almost as bad. I have never read so much shrill snarky bagging on Apple (Scoble) or shrill snarky defense of Apple. All over little picayune points about 780 v. 1080 which quickly devolve into generalized fingerpointing about apple v. microsoft. Give it a rest.

  28. Its amazing to read these comments and think that as much as “The Scobleizer” seems like a continuing microsoft shill, the apple people are almost as bad. I have never read so much shrill snarky bagging on Apple (Scoble) or shrill snarky defense of Apple. All over little picayune points about 780 v. 1080 which quickly devolve into generalized fingerpointing about apple v. microsoft. Give it a rest.

  29. It’s no longer a computer in Apple’s mind. It’s a digital hub for all your consumer electronics (Apple) peripherals. Computers are for Microsoft and business IT geeks, they’re not required by mere mortals, the consumer. Business computing (ie: Office) is boring. This stuff is exciting. ;-)

  30. It’s no longer a computer in Apple’s mind. It’s a digital hub for all your consumer electronics (Apple) peripherals. Computers are for Microsoft and business IT geeks, they’re not required by mere mortals, the consumer. Business computing (ie: Office) is boring. This stuff is exciting. ;-)

  31. Gotta love the hype. I disagree with the name change. They still make computers and all of their devices are essentially computers. I miss the Commodore 64 days when using a computer actually meant learning something rather than just plug and play. P&P is nice sometimes, but one learns nothing.

    Having said that, I think that too many companies are branching out in too many consumer-driven directions.

    I’ve used both Macs and PCs extensively, and I use them both at work, but at home, where I have a choice, I run Linux.

    In the end, I don’t want to be told what I can do with my software, with whom I can share it with, etc. Plus, the cost of Apple and MS software is sickening. Does anyone believe that an OS should really be several hundred dollars, or even $129? MS even charges for extra screen savers. Huh?

  32. Gotta love the hype. I disagree with the name change. They still make computers and all of their devices are essentially computers. I miss the Commodore 64 days when using a computer actually meant learning something rather than just plug and play. P&P is nice sometimes, but one learns nothing.

    Having said that, I think that too many companies are branching out in too many consumer-driven directions.

    I’ve used both Macs and PCs extensively, and I use them both at work, but at home, where I have a choice, I run Linux.

    In the end, I don’t want to be told what I can do with my software, with whom I can share it with, etc. Plus, the cost of Apple and MS software is sickening. Does anyone believe that an OS should really be several hundred dollars, or even $129? MS even charges for extra screen savers. Huh?

  33. [...] Scoble got it from Om Malik who thought it was of the noteworthy part of Jobs’ keynote. I couldn’t face watching another whole Keynote at Midnight after watching Bill last night, but about 1hr 40 into the speach Jobs explains that they’re not really a computer company any more, what with the iPod and the new iPhone and Apple TV (formerly iTV which wouldn’t work in the UK. That device seems a bit weak I’m not the only one who thinks an Xbox does more.) . They’ve been the Mac company for 23 years – but their Computer has been eclipsed by their other offerings, so from now on they’re just plain Apple. [...]

  34. Strange Apple has everyone abuzz when this is “Microsoft’s big week”. Someone said this week was all about Apple first, and everyone else second, but I can’t quite remember who.

    Damn. Oh well.

  35. Strange Apple has everyone abuzz when this is “Microsoft’s big week”. Someone said this week was all about Apple first, and everyone else second, but I can’t quite remember who.

    Damn. Oh well.

  36. Say, Robert, you will be watching Steve Jobs on Nightline tonight, right?

    “Newton, Mac Mini, the monitor on a stick iMac, and don’t forget about Apple’s involvement in the wildly unsuccessful ROKR phone.”

    Actually, each Apple item on this list was a success in its time. (The Mac mini is, of course still holding its own.) The Rokr is not an Apple product. If one wants to cite an Apple market failure, try the Cube. Though, design wise, it was a success.

  37. Say, Robert, you will be watching Steve Jobs on Nightline tonight, right?

    “Newton, Mac Mini, the monitor on a stick iMac, and don’t forget about Apple’s involvement in the wildly unsuccessful ROKR phone.”

    Actually, each Apple item on this list was a success in its time. (The Mac mini is, of course still holding its own.) The Rokr is not an Apple product. If one wants to cite an Apple market failure, try the Cube. Though, design wise, it was a success.

  38. How anyone thinks this phone is cool is beyond me. The DRM is so restrictive to not even be funny.

    Whatever happened to having a phone that is just a phone? The more technology progresses, the more I pine for the early 80s in so many ways, not the least of which was that user-based home technologies were realtively nascent and a lot more fun to me than now.

    Modern man spends so much less time with his fellow man that he used to. Sure, people talk on the phones, text one another, and stay in touch with blogs, but really, folks… I really miss the old days when people had to visit one another to keep in touch. I really miss playing D&D with my buddies, dating girls in real feminine jeans (ahhhhh – Jordache!), real music, not this trash out today, school dances. Kids these days visit over webcams and stuff.

    Now if only Apple could invent a time machine set to 1982…

  39. How anyone thinks this phone is cool is beyond me. The DRM is so restrictive to not even be funny.

    Whatever happened to having a phone that is just a phone? The more technology progresses, the more I pine for the early 80s in so many ways, not the least of which was that user-based home technologies were realtively nascent and a lot more fun to me than now.

    Modern man spends so much less time with his fellow man that he used to. Sure, people talk on the phones, text one another, and stay in touch with blogs, but really, folks… I really miss the old days when people had to visit one another to keep in touch. I really miss playing D&D with my buddies, dating girls in real feminine jeans (ahhhhh – Jordache!), real music, not this trash out today, school dances. Kids these days visit over webcams and stuff.

    Now if only Apple could invent a time machine set to 1982…

  40. Isn’t the “monitor on a stick” iMac the current model? I don’t think it’s failed yet.

    Regarding the iPhone, at $600 it’s a plaything for the rich. No way it’ll be a massmarket success like the iPod (particularly the iPod shuffle, which is widly successful (more so than any other model) precisely *because* it’s relatively cheap and is the least expensive way to join the iPod hip crowd).

    To emphasize my point, lots of kids are running around with iPods, taking them to school and whatnot. I can’t see this happening for a $600 gadget. Too likely to get broken, lost, or stolen. Nobody cares about losing a $75 iPod shuffle; a $600 phone is another matter. When I was in school, no way would I have walked around with a $600 device. Hell, I’m an adult now, and *still* I won’t walk around with a $600 device (despite being able to easily afford it myself).

    This device won’t have the iPod’s mass market appeal. It will have appeal among the wealthy, particularly the nuevo-riche, that throw money away on glitz.

    Robert, I know you’ll be getting this for your son. Are you going to allow him to trade it with other kids like he does the iPod? Seems dangerous to do that for a $600 device.

  41. Isn’t the “monitor on a stick” iMac the current model? I don’t think it’s failed yet.

    Regarding the iPhone, at $600 it’s a plaything for the rich. No way it’ll be a massmarket success like the iPod (particularly the iPod shuffle, which is widly successful (more so than any other model) precisely *because* it’s relatively cheap and is the least expensive way to join the iPod hip crowd).

    To emphasize my point, lots of kids are running around with iPods, taking them to school and whatnot. I can’t see this happening for a $600 gadget. Too likely to get broken, lost, or stolen. Nobody cares about losing a $75 iPod shuffle; a $600 phone is another matter. When I was in school, no way would I have walked around with a $600 device. Hell, I’m an adult now, and *still* I won’t walk around with a $600 device (despite being able to easily afford it myself).

    This device won’t have the iPod’s mass market appeal. It will have appeal among the wealthy, particularly the nuevo-riche, that throw money away on glitz.

    Robert, I know you’ll be getting this for your son. Are you going to allow him to trade it with other kids like he does the iPod? Seems dangerous to do that for a $600 device.

  42. “CNN.com has the iphone as the lead story, that despite the fact that there 10,000 ‘other’ new products in Vegas with probably 10x the number of people there looking around.”

    Look at this statement. What the hell are you actually saying… new products in Vegas? What? iPod accessories? Pfft. There’s nothing at CES but higher specs and bigger screens. And Bill Gates making cookies in the dark.

    More people looking around? What does that mean? You think anyone is interested in the crap at CES compared to how many people would cut off their arm for this Mac-in-a-Phone?

    Nice try.

  43. “CNN.com has the iphone as the lead story, that despite the fact that there 10,000 ‘other’ new products in Vegas with probably 10x the number of people there looking around.”

    Look at this statement. What the hell are you actually saying… new products in Vegas? What? iPod accessories? Pfft. There’s nothing at CES but higher specs and bigger screens. And Bill Gates making cookies in the dark.

    More people looking around? What does that mean? You think anyone is interested in the crap at CES compared to how many people would cut off their arm for this Mac-in-a-Phone?

    Nice try.

  44. “Strange Apple has everyone abuzz when this is “Microsoft’s big week”. Someone said this week was all about Apple first, and everyone else second, but I can’t quite remember who.”

    Are you being satirical?

    Since when does Apple ever get outshone by… rehashes of its own stuff.

    PS. I’m still fuckin laughing at the 100 inch wall display where Bill Gates plays Xbox. That dog was hilarious too.

  45. “Strange Apple has everyone abuzz when this is “Microsoft’s big week”. Someone said this week was all about Apple first, and everyone else second, but I can’t quite remember who.”

    Are you being satirical?

    Since when does Apple ever get outshone by… rehashes of its own stuff.

    PS. I’m still fuckin laughing at the 100 inch wall display where Bill Gates plays Xbox. That dog was hilarious too.

  46. Anyone who pays $600 for this has more money than sense. It’s not for the rich, it’s for the sheeple. People will just have to have this device so they, too, can be hip.

    So many Apple devices remind me of a car ad I once saw a few years ago which showed a man in leather driving gloves behind the wheel of an expensive sports car with some hottie riding shotgun. The ad basically was implying that, you, too, can buy this overpriced car and live a life of luxury with some girl who only wants to be seen in your car.

    This phone has and provides NO social redeeming value whatsoever, rather, it serves only to reinforce a false sense of “belonging” to the “hip” crowd.

    If anyone is seriously considering buying this overpriced device, consider instead investing it in your future in mutual funds or buying your child a computer they can learn from.

    I hate capitalism when it results in stuff like this.

  47. Anyone who pays $600 for this has more money than sense. It’s not for the rich, it’s for the sheeple. People will just have to have this device so they, too, can be hip.

    So many Apple devices remind me of a car ad I once saw a few years ago which showed a man in leather driving gloves behind the wheel of an expensive sports car with some hottie riding shotgun. The ad basically was implying that, you, too, can buy this overpriced car and live a life of luxury with some girl who only wants to be seen in your car.

    This phone has and provides NO social redeeming value whatsoever, rather, it serves only to reinforce a false sense of “belonging” to the “hip” crowd.

    If anyone is seriously considering buying this overpriced device, consider instead investing it in your future in mutual funds or buying your child a computer they can learn from.

    I hate capitalism when it results in stuff like this.

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  49. I think most of the comments from all the blowback on the iPhone announcement were anticipated and addressed in the keynote, but it’s interesting to read what gets seized on anyway. A few reminders to some of the commenters:

    It’s $499, not $600, for a base configuration iPhone.

    At 4 or 8 gigs, it’s not intended to store a lot of content, any more than a nano is.

    They’re doing a 3G version. Steve Jobs said so during the keynote.

    You can use an iPhone with Exchange Server if it’s configured for IMAP.

    You can connect to broadband internet anywhere you have access to wifi. You don’t need to use a slow cellular data connection.

    Making calls, managing contacts, sending email, listening to voicemail, teleconferencing are all incredibly intuitive on this device.

    It’s built on the OS X platform, is extensible, and can run real apps.

    No, it doesn’t cost $75 like a shuffle, but it’s somewhat more useful than a $75 shuffle.

    I wish it weren’t tied exclusively to cingular, but logistically it was probably a necessity so that they could introduce the features they wanted to.

    Nobody has done a phone like this before. Some phones have a set of the features, but any reasonable person would agree that this is a futuristic device and there is nothing like it in the world. It’s the kind of device that until now you’ve only ever seen depicted in science fiction. I can’t wait to get one.

    One thing the keynote left me wondering was when a 6G iPod with the new interface and features comes out. I’m guessing they’ll wait until after the iPhone ships. But who could buy a 5.5G iPod now that they know what’s coming?

  50. I think most of the comments from all the blowback on the iPhone announcement were anticipated and addressed in the keynote, but it’s interesting to read what gets seized on anyway. A few reminders to some of the commenters:

    It’s $499, not $600, for a base configuration iPhone.

    At 4 or 8 gigs, it’s not intended to store a lot of content, any more than a nano is.

    They’re doing a 3G version. Steve Jobs said so during the keynote.

    You can use an iPhone with Exchange Server if it’s configured for IMAP.

    You can connect to broadband internet anywhere you have access to wifi. You don’t need to use a slow cellular data connection.

    Making calls, managing contacts, sending email, listening to voicemail, teleconferencing are all incredibly intuitive on this device.

    It’s built on the OS X platform, is extensible, and can run real apps.

    No, it doesn’t cost $75 like a shuffle, but it’s somewhat more useful than a $75 shuffle.

    I wish it weren’t tied exclusively to cingular, but logistically it was probably a necessity so that they could introduce the features they wanted to.

    Nobody has done a phone like this before. Some phones have a set of the features, but any reasonable person would agree that this is a futuristic device and there is nothing like it in the world. It’s the kind of device that until now you’ve only ever seen depicted in science fiction. I can’t wait to get one.

    One thing the keynote left me wondering was when a 6G iPod with the new interface and features comes out. I’m guessing they’ll wait until after the iPhone ships. But who could buy a 5.5G iPod now that they know what’s coming?

  51. Sam, my guess would be that they are working on an iPod only version of this right now.

    It may even come out at the same time as the iPhone.

    Steve said himself that the only reason they announced this now is because they have to get FCC approval for it.

    For the iPod only model, that won’t be necersary so they will probably keep them quiet until the release.

  52. Sam, my guess would be that they are working on an iPod only version of this right now.

    It may even come out at the same time as the iPhone.

    Steve said himself that the only reason they announced this now is because they have to get FCC approval for it.

    For the iPod only model, that won’t be necersary so they will probably keep them quiet until the release.

  53. There are been rumors of an iPod with wifi, and it is probably the wifi aspect that is awaiting FCC approval so maybe we’ll see a non-phone wifi ipod around the same time as the iphone. Maybe..

  54. There are been rumors of an iPod with wifi, and it is probably the wifi aspect that is awaiting FCC approval so maybe we’ll see a non-phone wifi ipod around the same time as the iphone. Maybe..

  55. “This phone has and provides NO social redeeming value whatsoever”

    Yes, unlike my other gadgets which have cured butt cancer just by virtue of owning one. Damn you, Steve Jobs.

  56. “This phone has and provides NO social redeeming value whatsoever”

    Yes, unlike my other gadgets which have cured butt cancer just by virtue of owning one. Damn you, Steve Jobs.

  57. “Anyone who pays $600 for this has more money than sense. It’s not for the rich, it’s for the sheeple.

    Comment by Peter — January 9, 2007 @ 11:15 pm”

    Do you remeber how much the iPod was when it first came out with 5Gb and a mechanical click wheel? Wake up!

    Next thing you’ll say is that it’s a waste to buy that 50″ Plasma/LCD because you can get a TV or Rear Projection unit. If the person can afford it and really like it, they buy it.

  58. “Anyone who pays $600 for this has more money than sense. It’s not for the rich, it’s for the sheeple.

    Comment by Peter — January 9, 2007 @ 11:15 pm”

    Do you remeber how much the iPod was when it first came out with 5Gb and a mechanical click wheel? Wake up!

    Next thing you’ll say is that it’s a waste to buy that 50″ Plasma/LCD because you can get a TV or Rear Projection unit. If the person can afford it and really like it, they buy it.

  59. I’m tired of people saying how inovative this phone is, and there is nothing like it in the world. While the following have been in development as long or longer than the iPhone (the LG UI looks almost exactly the same as the iPhone):
    http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/15/the-lg-ke850-touchable-chocolate/
    http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/08/nokias-aeon-full-surface-screen-cellphone-concept/
    http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/benqsiemens-black-box-concept-phone-204284.php

    I also find it humorous that Steve Jobs showed only smart phones as the best of best. While ignoring other more powerful PocketPC phones such as the HTC (http://www.europe.htc.com/products/) TyTN(HTC P3600) and full featured Artemis (HTC P3300)

    Will be interesting now to see the response from Nokia , HTC, LG and others by summer with their new products with iPhone directly in their sights.

  60. I’m tired of people saying how inovative this phone is, and there is nothing like it in the world. While the following have been in development as long or longer than the iPhone (the LG UI looks almost exactly the same as the iPhone):
    http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/15/the-lg-ke850-touchable-chocolate/
    http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/08/nokias-aeon-full-surface-screen-cellphone-concept/
    http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/benqsiemens-black-box-concept-phone-204284.php

    I also find it humorous that Steve Jobs showed only smart phones as the best of best. While ignoring other more powerful PocketPC phones such as the HTC (http://www.europe.htc.com/products/) TyTN(HTC P3600) and full featured Artemis (HTC P3300)

    Will be interesting now to see the response from Nokia , HTC, LG and others by summer with their new products with iPhone directly in their sights.

  61. I love how some want to paint this as a bad thing… not that everyone is doing so. (Thurott kind of paints a favorable future in his longer writeup, but in his initial internet-nexus posts he acts as if the Mac was abandoned.) The keynote didn’t have to and, more importantly, couldn’t address the Mac because of the significance of the iPhone announcement. (Jobs usually rehashes current stats and milestones for 20 minutes… He flew this in less than 12 minutes to addresss the iPhone, and there was still plenty we didn’t see…)

    But back to Computers… Apple is still growing it’s computer business. Apple is still about hardware and software. This isn’t about abandoning the manufacturing of hardware and software. This is about making great hardware and software in many form factors: computers, handheld media devices, home media devices, handheld media/communication devices. And if anything, it means that these other segments actually enhance Apple’s ability to grow the computer market.

    Also, it shows greater commitment to the consumer — always at the core of Apple’s purpose of integrating hardware and software. As time advances, the “computer” is more of a “business” product and other forms better meet the needs of consumers. (It’ll be interesting to see how “OS X mobile” (the guts of Apple “computers”) makes its way into iPods.)

    On a side note, Apple’s grown almost another 4 billion in market value in the first 3 hours of market activity.

    Also, I love the price complaints: almost every single generation of iPod had the top end debut at $499, the starting price of this much more functional device.

  62. I love how some want to paint this as a bad thing… not that everyone is doing so. (Thurott kind of paints a favorable future in his longer writeup, but in his initial internet-nexus posts he acts as if the Mac was abandoned.) The keynote didn’t have to and, more importantly, couldn’t address the Mac because of the significance of the iPhone announcement. (Jobs usually rehashes current stats and milestones for 20 minutes… He flew this in less than 12 minutes to addresss the iPhone, and there was still plenty we didn’t see…)

    But back to Computers… Apple is still growing it’s computer business. Apple is still about hardware and software. This isn’t about abandoning the manufacturing of hardware and software. This is about making great hardware and software in many form factors: computers, handheld media devices, home media devices, handheld media/communication devices. And if anything, it means that these other segments actually enhance Apple’s ability to grow the computer market.

    Also, it shows greater commitment to the consumer — always at the core of Apple’s purpose of integrating hardware and software. As time advances, the “computer” is more of a “business” product and other forms better meet the needs of consumers. (It’ll be interesting to see how “OS X mobile” (the guts of Apple “computers”) makes its way into iPods.)

    On a side note, Apple’s grown almost another 4 billion in market value in the first 3 hours of market activity.

    Also, I love the price complaints: almost every single generation of iPod had the top end debut at $499, the starting price of this much more functional device.

  63. Interesting

    It may be to expensive certainly in the Uk phones are replaced very quickly more than ayear is very old(phones are also subsidized by the airtime providers – who also like to hack what the sub can or cant do with the phone)

    Not a surefire sucsess – ill belive it when I see the school kids on the bus with them.

    btw hugh has a carton on the front page of vallywag

  64. Interesting

    It may be to expensive certainly in the Uk phones are replaced very quickly more than ayear is very old(phones are also subsidized by the airtime providers – who also like to hack what the sub can or cant do with the phone)

    Not a surefire sucsess – ill belive it when I see the school kids on the bus with them.

    btw hugh has a carton on the front page of vallywag

  65. How long before MS releases the latest iteration of Origami? Anyone know if they are working on a better GUI for UMPCs?

    I love it how Apple is marketing this as a phone. Microsoft made the mistake of marketing theirs as a UMPC. They had to define a market first with that tactic.

    Origami : Why have a $600 keyboardless PC when you can get a laptop for the same price.
    iPhone : Ooh, it also runs OSX. Any app can work on it.

    The beauty of this is that everyone needs a phone. The only hurdle is a price (which is justified by the features). Not everyone needs a UMPC. I love Apple’s marketing.

  66. How long before MS releases the latest iteration of Origami? Anyone know if they are working on a better GUI for UMPCs?

    I love it how Apple is marketing this as a phone. Microsoft made the mistake of marketing theirs as a UMPC. They had to define a market first with that tactic.

    Origami : Why have a $600 keyboardless PC when you can get a laptop for the same price.
    iPhone : Ooh, it also runs OSX. Any app can work on it.

    The beauty of this is that everyone needs a phone. The only hurdle is a price (which is justified by the features). Not everyone needs a UMPC. I love Apple’s marketing.

  67. I’m tired of people saying how inovative this phone is, and there is nothing like it in the world. While the following have been in development as long or longer than the iPhone (the LG UI looks almost exactly the same as the iPhone):
    http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/15/the-lg-ke850-touchable-chocolate/
    http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/08/nokias-aeon-full-surface-screen-cellphone-concept/
    http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/benqsiemens-black-box-concept-phone-204284.php

    I also find it humorous that Steve Jobs showed only smart phones as the best of best. While ignoring other more powerful PocketPC phones such as the HTC (http://www.europe.htc.com/products/) TyTN(HTC P3600) and full featured Artemis (HTC P3300)

    Will be interesting now to see the response from Nokia , HTC, LG and others by summer with their new products with iPhone directly in their sights.

  68. I’m tired of people saying how inovative this phone is, and there is nothing like it in the world. While the following have been in development as long or longer than the iPhone (the LG UI looks almost exactly the same as the iPhone):
    http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/15/the-lg-ke850-touchable-chocolate/
    http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/08/nokias-aeon-full-surface-screen-cellphone-concept/
    http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/benqsiemens-black-box-concept-phone-204284.php

    I also find it humorous that Steve Jobs showed only smart phones as the best of best. While ignoring other more powerful PocketPC phones such as the HTC (http://www.europe.htc.com/products/) TyTN(HTC P3600) and full featured Artemis (HTC P3300)

    Will be interesting now to see the response from Nokia , HTC, LG and others by summer with their new products with iPhone directly in their sights.

  69. Met: it won’t be long. Several people have told me about seeing new UMPC’s running Vista and their reaction was that they are way better than the first versions.

  70. Met: it won’t be long. Several people have told me about seeing new UMPC’s running Vista and their reaction was that they are way better than the first versions.

  71. Yeah, but are second gen UMPCs better the way second gen Tablets are better or are they “better” better?

  72. Yeah, but are second gen UMPCs better the way second gen Tablets are better or are they “better” better?

  73. Goebbels – Unlike the DAP scene 5 years ago. There are two companies I trust to do a good job this time up against the iPhone. Microsoft and Nokia.
    Nokia is awesome at user experience even though it is not evident over here in the US.

  74. Goebbels – Unlike the DAP scene 5 years ago. There are two companies I trust to do a good job this time up against the iPhone. Microsoft and Nokia.
    Nokia is awesome at user experience even though it is not evident over here in the US.

  75. Its interesting that though Apple does not blog, it promotes its systems as a platform for blogging, and provides cheap .mac accounts and blogging tools as part of the standard OS X purchase.

    Mac promotes blogging, but does not like to engage in blogging as an organisation. Despite their hip public image Apple has always been more about control than Microsoft.

    As for the phone, it will be entering a crowded market and I predict will have a hard time unlike the iPod. Anyways Apple has to go through another dark age lasting a few years and having evryone wonder about their end until a new product comes along. The post iPod slump has not been long enough, given Apples history they will need to face 2 more years in the wilderness, come up with some amazing new product that changes everything, and then blow it again.

  76. Its interesting that though Apple does not blog, it promotes its systems as a platform for blogging, and provides cheap .mac accounts and blogging tools as part of the standard OS X purchase.

    Mac promotes blogging, but does not like to engage in blogging as an organisation. Despite their hip public image Apple has always been more about control than Microsoft.

    As for the phone, it will be entering a crowded market and I predict will have a hard time unlike the iPod. Anyways Apple has to go through another dark age lasting a few years and having evryone wonder about their end until a new product comes along. The post iPod slump has not been long enough, given Apples history they will need to face 2 more years in the wilderness, come up with some amazing new product that changes everything, and then blow it again.