Windows Vista vs. Mac OSX, the two-hour definitive word

I remember having great discussions about Microsoft vs. Apple back in the 1980s and 1990s. We all survived those years without too many hurt feelings.

So, I thought it’d be fun to do it again in 2007 now that Microsoft is shipping Windows Vista. Yeah, fresh meat for the whole debate! (Or was that just the burritos we were eating?) This presented an interesting opportunity to invite four interesting people over to the house last night who would give me insights from both sides of the aisle. Of course Maryam and I gave them some social lubricant and Tres Amigos’ burritos, and recorded it. We burned through two tapes (almost two hours). One thing that’s a given in our industry: we’ll never tire of talking about Apple vs. Microsoft. Even, when, as Fred Davis points out below, there’s not all that much to talk about (the discussions were a lot more fun back in 1989 when there was a truly huge difference between the two OS’s).

Oh, yeah, my Media Center disconnected six times in two hours (I was playing pictures). Something is wrong with my wifi and I gotta figure it out. Sam enjoyed that a lot. It’s always fun when the other guy’s stuff isn’t working right.

So, who were the players?

Fred Davis. Co-founder of Wired Magazine. Here’s his report of the evening.
Sam Levin. Co-founder of the Stanford Mac user’s group, and the guy who does Cool Mac Picks.
Harry McCracken, Editor in Chief of PC World. Also does PC World’s Techlog. Don’t tell anyone, but he admitted to being a Mac user.
Jeremy Toeman. He used to work at SlingMedia and is very knowledgeable about all sorts of HD video stuff. Here’s his report of the evening.

I’ll get the two hours of video up on January 31st, which is when Vista launches.

Oh, and Loren, if you say my videos are long and boring, I’ll just make them longer and more boring, OK? :-)

Actually, you can skip right to the end for Maryam’s definitive word. I’ll remind you of that again when we get the videos up.

220 thoughts on “Windows Vista vs. Mac OSX, the two-hour definitive word

  1. As I like to say: software is always a work in progress because it’s never really done. Instead, software continually delivers different levels of user satisfaction to different users. It’s up to the software maker to continually make the right decisions. Hopefully, Microsoft will continue to re-focus on: the end-user, quality, performance, reliability and usability. If they don’t… I’m increasingly becoming enamored with Mac OS-X.

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  2. As I like to say: software is always a work in progress because it’s never really done. Instead, software continually delivers different levels of user satisfaction to different users. It’s up to the software maker to continually make the right decisions. Hopefully, Microsoft will continue to re-focus on: the end-user, quality, performance, reliability and usability. If they don’t… I’m increasingly becoming enamored with Mac OS-X.

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  3. I can’t stand microsoft products anymore.. In my opinion Microsoft Office is the only thing that they did well..
    I got impressed by the new mac os x Leopard…And thats why I moved to apple’s OS..
    You should do what this mac ad says: give up on vista!
    weshow.com/us/p/24256/apples_ad_dont_give_up_on_vista
    Apple FTW!

  4. I can’t stand microsoft products anymore.. In my opinion Microsoft Office is the only thing that they did well..
    I got impressed by the new mac os x Leopard…And thats why I moved to apple’s OS..
    You should do what this mac ad says: give up on vista!
    weshow.com/us/p/24256/apples_ad_dont_give_up_on_vista
    Apple FTW!

  5. One more thing. If you want 2 mouse buttons, GET A 2-BUTTON MOUSE AND PLUG IT IN. I did, too, it is better than control-click. It even scrolls, no drivers required. That’s all it takes. Quit using that non-excuse as a plus for PC’s, you are out of touch with what a Mac can do.

  6. One more thing. If you want 2 mouse buttons, GET A 2-BUTTON MOUSE AND PLUG IT IN. I did, too, it is better than control-click. It even scrolls, no drivers required. That’s all it takes. Quit using that non-excuse as a plus for PC’s, you are out of touch with what a Mac can do.

  7. Also, keep in mind that when people say ‘most businesses’ prefer Windows, it should be understood that corporate America does not now, nor ever did care which OS was better, they simply believed that ‘it needs to be IBM compatible’ (without ever knowing why or what exactly that meant), as the computer salesman told them. ‘Compatibility’ is a myth that mass market retailers have used to not stock Mac versions of software packages, most of which, other than the totally useless, bug-filled crap of the type on WalMart shelves for 10 bucks, are readily available at online retailers for either platform. There is nothing that I can do on a PC that I cannot do as well or better on my Mac, including (mainstream) games. If more software companies were like Blizzard, providing both Mac and PC versions on the same disc, the platform war would be a non-issue.

  8. Also, keep in mind that when people say ‘most businesses’ prefer Windows, it should be understood that corporate America does not now, nor ever did care which OS was better, they simply believed that ‘it needs to be IBM compatible’ (without ever knowing why or what exactly that meant), as the computer salesman told them. ‘Compatibility’ is a myth that mass market retailers have used to not stock Mac versions of software packages, most of which, other than the totally useless, bug-filled crap of the type on WalMart shelves for 10 bucks, are readily available at online retailers for either platform. There is nothing that I can do on a PC that I cannot do as well or better on my Mac, including (mainstream) games. If more software companies were like Blizzard, providing both Mac and PC versions on the same disc, the platform war would be a non-issue.

  9. As a web designer for 4 years and using both platforms, I’ve been the only designer at my firm yet to be swayed to MAC. I can’t get over how much slower the mac was (dual-core g5) was compared to my dell desktop (2 yrs old). I mean theres always more factors, but for web design, the PC was always faster in photoshop (by a huge margin) and not to mention the MAC is just pathetic in the flash authoring env., straight up pathetic. Either way… As much as im not a fan of MS, i still find myself alot happier on a pc. You just have to know what your doing kinda

  10. As a web designer for 4 years and using both platforms, I’ve been the only designer at my firm yet to be swayed to MAC. I can’t get over how much slower the mac was (dual-core g5) was compared to my dell desktop (2 yrs old). I mean theres always more factors, but for web design, the PC was always faster in photoshop (by a huge margin) and not to mention the MAC is just pathetic in the flash authoring env., straight up pathetic. Either way… As much as im not a fan of MS, i still find myself alot happier on a pc. You just have to know what your doing kinda

  11. Been usising apple since 1983…. By the way, I believe the first “PERSONAL” computer was a MAC! Never had to run AV… NEVER!

    A bit of price tag, but worth it!!!!!

  12. Been usising apple since 1983…. By the way, I believe the first “PERSONAL” computer was a MAC! Never had to run AV… NEVER!

    A bit of price tag, but worth it!!!!!

  13. O and Mushu, the people who buy windows are people who don’t know math. becuase Macs are cheaper OVER ALL but some people are too lazy to do the math or are too stupid.

  14. O and Mushu, the people who buy windows are people who don’t know math. becuase Macs are cheaper OVER ALL but some people are too lazy to do the math or are too stupid.

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