Pissing off the blogosphere…

OK, I think I made about 50 enemies yesterday. Telling people they don’t link, I learned, is one way to get everyone’s panties in a bunch.

Ryan Block, who is one of the main guys at Engadget, responds to yesterday’s rant with a long piece. Basically says that they went through an editorial process and found my video yesterday didn’t have any news value to Engadget’s readers.

Now, that’s new information. I disagree. First of all, I had the news out at 9:00 p.m. on Friday evening. Half an hour before Engadget had its news out.

Second of all, I had quotes DIRECTLY from Intel’s top management about the new 45 nm processors and how they did it ON VIDEO. This is something that Engadget didn’t have, and doesn’t have. That alone is news value for Engadget to link to.

In my two videos (and a third really cool one that PodTech.net did) we get the news about Intel’s new 45nm fab, and go way beyond what Engadget put up.

But the news of my videos isn’t WHAT was discussed in them, but rather the TOUR itself. I expect at least a few of Engadget’s readers would love to see the place where the chips inside many of their gadgets are made and hear from the people who make those chips directly instead of reading just something that sounds like a press release rewrite. Maybe that’s just me?

UPDATE2: Today Engadget has an article about a cancer patient getting their Xbox ripped off. You telling me THAT has more news value for Engadget’s readers than a tour of Intel’s factory which also included discussion of Intel’s new chips coming out later this year and how Intel got that breakthrough done? Give me a break.

Another point? That I’ve become less interesting since leaving Microsoft. Well, I think that’s because Engadget isn’t watching ScobleShow.com. Including an interview with the Zune team that wasn’t linked to by Engadget or Gizmodo, either.

Over there, in just four months, I’ve posted more than 120 videos, gotten more than 70 interviews with Silicon Valley CEOs, and had some real interesting ones with Retrevo and gang at CES, among others. But, nah, that’s not as interesting as seeing inside Microsoft, is it?

Oh, Gizmodo DOES link. Dan Farber, of ZDNet DOES link.

So does Alex Torex.

Frederic, in the Last Podcast blog, says this is part of a bigger blogger backlash (he sees it in places like Digg).

Jason Calacanis (the guy who founded Engadget) says the real “non-linking” enemy is the mainstream press. Ahh, but Jason, that’s why I was so pissed off yesterday. Every blog was linking to the New York Times (or, not linking to anyone, like the Engadget and Gizmodo pieces didn’t do) but they weren’t linking to the blog that ACTUALLY got the real news, straight from inside the Intel fab (the New York Times didn’t get you that). The truth is, if bloggers don’t link to other bloggers and, instead, link to the New York Times, they are just reinforcing the mainstream media’s position.

Michael Letterle says “I think the real problem is bloggers producing unique content.” Oh, that indeed is a problem, but on ScobleShow.com I’m producing one to two videos a day and finding it very tough to get links. Even when I’ve gotten something really exclusive. Seems most bloggers would rather link to the New York Times than start up a blog search engine and look for something really unique coming through.

Munir Umrani remains above it all, saying, “Does it bother me if another blogger doesn’t link to The Blogging Journalist? No. Am I appreciative if someone does? Yes. ”

But, Munir, how would anyone find you if you never are linked to? Especially if bloggers and journalists demonstrate they won’t do a simple blog search to see what else someone has written about a topic?

Scoble: pissing off the blogosphere so you don’t have to. :-)

UPDATE: TechCrunch’s Mike Arrington writes “Wow, Scoble just threw himself under a bus.”

I should update my last line, then to: Scoble: throwing himself under busses so you don’t have to. ;-)

Thanks to Ze Frank! (I stole the “so you don’t have to” line from him, which is where I heard it first).

UPDATE2: It’s funny to watch more bloggers come online and link to the New York Times, without linking to anything else. BloggingStocks does NOT link.

UPDATE3: Slashdot links to a CNET tour of Lucas Film’s datacenter, but they won’t link to my tour of Intel’s 45nm fab. Interesting editorial judgment at these big sites.

439 thoughts on “Pissing off the blogosphere…

  1. concerning your comments about cancer it is obvious that you have no idea about that desease and moreover you do not respect human life. even if you believe such a thing you do not say only as respect to the people who have lost a loving person. greetings from greece.

  2. “having cancer is important to THAT ONE PERSON. Intel chips change the lives of hundreds of millions of people.”

    You should seriously be more aware of soundbites by now. In context this quote makes you sound like an ass; out of context this quote makes you sound like a SUPER ass.

  3. “having cancer is important to THAT ONE PERSON. Intel chips change the lives of hundreds of millions of people.”

    You should seriously be more aware of soundbites by now. In context this quote makes you sound like an ass; out of context this quote makes you sound like a SUPER ass.

  4. Comments on other blogs is interesting in MSM. Though some says that everyone could get an enemy rather than an audience. Everybody can learn from this post. for example i want to link something like asking where i can purchased for a volkswagen aftermarket parts is still helpful for a person. For the reason that they still be able to provide an information on something they don’t know. Will i guess i have to apologized too for this post…

  5. Comments on other blogs is interesting in MSM. Though some says that everyone could get an enemy rather than an audience. Everybody can learn from this post. for example i want to link something like asking where i can purchased for a volkswagen aftermarket parts is still helpful for a person. For the reason that they still be able to provide an information on something they don’t know. Will i guess i have to apologized too for this post…

  6. Oh, I see you apologized on the other post, makes sense now, were you eating a bad sandwich or something? Robert this is not good for your credibility. J

    However, the question of linking is interesting in the MSM, but in addition the issue of journalists commenting on other blogs. How often do journalists answer comments and comment on other blogs?

    You do, that’s a credit to how engaged you are with your audience, and one of the reasons why you became a top blogger. I think every company, journalist and blogger can learn from the example of this post, engage your audience

  7. Oh, I see you apologized on the other post, makes sense now, were you eating a bad sandwich or something? Robert this is not good for your credibility. J

    However, the question of linking is interesting in the MSM, but in addition the issue of journalists commenting on other blogs. How often do journalists answer comments and comment on other blogs?

    You do, that’s a credit to how engaged you are with your audience, and one of the reasons why you became a top blogger. I think every company, journalist and blogger can learn from the example of this post, engage your audience

  8. John: I didn’t want a link INSTEAD of the New York Times. Hell, I linked to them too in the first few minutes of my posting.

    But, today, look at Gizmodo and Engadget. Tell me which one is doing a better job covering the gadget world.

  9. John: I didn’t want a link INSTEAD of the New York Times. Hell, I linked to them too in the first few minutes of my posting.

    But, today, look at Gizmodo and Engadget. Tell me which one is doing a better job covering the gadget world.

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  11. Robert, if they did not find the story on your site first, then I do not think you can complain about them not linking to you. If that is true. ;-)

    You raise an important issue, but without finding your site first, I don’t think it stands up. Actually this is an interesting discussion in its self, why don’t more bloggers do their own research and just rely on the MSM to provide the basis for their stories.

    Most journalists would fact check stories and get their own take on a story, most bloggers don’t. I recently researched the automobile industry, and a lot of the professional bloggers site MSM stories.

    Instead of Engadget writing up someone else’s story why not ask Intel for more details, an interview etc.

    At least you are working hard conducting interviews, a lot of bloggers just give opinion on other people’s work. Which is okay, but not as interesting as if someone talks to the primary source.

  12. Robert, if they did not find the story on your site first, then I do not think you can complain about them not linking to you. If that is true. ;-)

    You raise an important issue, but without finding your site first, I don’t think it stands up. Actually this is an interesting discussion in its self, why don’t more bloggers do their own research and just rely on the MSM to provide the basis for their stories.

    Most journalists would fact check stories and get their own take on a story, most bloggers don’t. I recently researched the automobile industry, and a lot of the professional bloggers site MSM stories.

    Instead of Engadget writing up someone else’s story why not ask Intel for more details, an interview etc.

    At least you are working hard conducting interviews, a lot of bloggers just give opinion on other people’s work. Which is okay, but not as interesting as if someone talks to the primary source.

  13. John: I don’t know that. I just know that Engadget only linked to the New York Times. Ryan Block said on his blog that they linked there cause that’s where they found it first, then refused to link to my video saying it had “no news value to their readers.”

    I’ll take them on the face value of that. I disagree, but hey, human beings can disagree. THeir competitor, Gizmodo, DID add a link and they claim to have an editorial process too. So, obviously I’m not alone in thinking that a gadget blog’s readers might find it interesting.

    Funny enough I did get hundreds of visits from Engadget over the weekend to my video, just by leaving a link in their comment area. So, at least SOME people were interested in watching a 40-minute video with a Senior Technical Fellow from Intel showing off the latest fab and talking about 45nm process.

  14. John: I don’t know that. I just know that Engadget only linked to the New York Times. Ryan Block said on his blog that they linked there cause that’s where they found it first, then refused to link to my video saying it had “no news value to their readers.”

    I’ll take them on the face value of that. I disagree, but hey, human beings can disagree. THeir competitor, Gizmodo, DID add a link and they claim to have an editorial process too. So, obviously I’m not alone in thinking that a gadget blog’s readers might find it interesting.

    Funny enough I did get hundreds of visits from Engadget over the weekend to my video, just by leaving a link in their comment area. So, at least SOME people were interested in watching a 40-minute video with a Senior Technical Fellow from Intel showing off the latest fab and talking about 45nm process.

  15. Bob: I know several people dying of cancer right now.

    I was talking about news judgment. Why aren’t their names on the front page of your local newspaper?

    Sounds like your emotionalism is clouding how you perceive what I’m saying. Instead of asking questions and understanding what I’m saying a little deeper, you just attack. Sounds like you’re not the kind of reader I’d enjoy having around here anyway.

    Let me put this in a little clearer perspective. My mom died last year. Why wasn’t that discussed on the gadget blogs? Hint: it wasn’t news. Even though it was devastating to me.

  16. Bob: I know several people dying of cancer right now.

    I was talking about news judgment. Why aren’t their names on the front page of your local newspaper?

    Sounds like your emotionalism is clouding how you perceive what I’m saying. Instead of asking questions and understanding what I’m saying a little deeper, you just attack. Sounds like you’re not the kind of reader I’d enjoy having around here anyway.

    Let me put this in a little clearer perspective. My mom died last year. Why wasn’t that discussed on the gadget blogs? Hint: it wasn’t news. Even though it was devastating to me.

  17. Robert, are you saying that Engadget found the story first on your blog, and so they should have linked to you, even if they did not include any of your story?

  18. Robert, are you saying that Engadget found the story first on your blog, and so they should have linked to you, even if they did not include any of your story?

  19. “having cancer is important to THAT ONE PERSON. Intel chips change the lives of hundreds of millions of people. Glad to see you understand news value”

    As a former medical professional who’s worked in oncology I find that so patently offensive and insensative that its hard to believe someone in the position to have a public platform would stoop to such a naive, uninformed and idiotic statement.

    News Value: Knowing what blog is no longer worth reading

  20. “having cancer is important to THAT ONE PERSON. Intel chips change the lives of hundreds of millions of people. Glad to see you understand news value”

    As a former medical professional who’s worked in oncology I find that so patently offensive and insensative that its hard to believe someone in the position to have a public platform would stoop to such a naive, uninformed and idiotic statement.

    News Value: Knowing what blog is no longer worth reading

  21. I have read all of the comment threads regarding this latest debacle you’ve stupidly gotten yourself embroiled in, and after doing so I have to agree with Valleywag’s take and the take of many of your commenters here. You have become so full of yourself and have developed such an inflated sense of your importance in the grand scheme of things that it is no longer enjoyable to read your lame efforts to defend yourself. I find your comments regarding cancer even more offensive than your pathetic attempts to explain away your ignorant bitching about not getting links to your paid commercial. I am unsubscribing from your feed as soon as I post this comment. You kind of suck now.

  22. I have read all of the comment threads regarding this latest debacle you’ve stupidly gotten yourself embroiled in, and after doing so I have to agree with Valleywag’s take and the take of many of your commenters here. You have become so full of yourself and have developed such an inflated sense of your importance in the grand scheme of things that it is no longer enjoyable to read your lame efforts to defend yourself. I find your comments regarding cancer even more offensive than your pathetic attempts to explain away your ignorant bitching about not getting links to your paid commercial. I am unsubscribing from your feed as soon as I post this comment. You kind of suck now.

  23. “OK, I think I made about 50 enemies yesterday. Telling people they don’t link, I learned, is one way to get everyone’s panties in a bunch.”

    Scoble, the first one to get his panties in a bunch was you, crying that you didn’t get linked.

    I think commenter Custa said it best:

    “I am not sure if you have become less interesting Robert, but you certainly have become a hell of a lot more narcissistic.”

  24. “OK, I think I made about 50 enemies yesterday. Telling people they don’t link, I learned, is one way to get everyone’s panties in a bunch.”

    Scoble, the first one to get his panties in a bunch was you, crying that you didn’t get linked.

    I think commenter Custa said it best:

    “I am not sure if you have become less interesting Robert, but you certainly have become a hell of a lot more narcissistic.”

  25. Dude. This little rant–you have to be kidding. Is this all a big ploy to get attention? Well, you got your coveted Engadget link and then some. Happy now?

    Meanwhile, there’s about…what, 10 million blogs out there? Nearly all of whom would LOVE to have your traffic and the INCOME associated with it.

    Just STFU. I can’t believe the whiny nonsense I read in your post and in the ensuing comments. And guess what? You aren’t Engadget, and Engadget isn’t you. You DON’T HAVE the same audience. Ditto everything LayZ said.

    Suck it up, whiner.

  26. Dude. This little rant–you have to be kidding. Is this all a big ploy to get attention? Well, you got your coveted Engadget link and then some. Happy now?

    Meanwhile, there’s about…what, 10 million blogs out there? Nearly all of whom would LOVE to have your traffic and the INCOME associated with it.

    Just STFU. I can’t believe the whiny nonsense I read in your post and in the ensuing comments. And guess what? You aren’t Engadget, and Engadget isn’t you. You DON’T HAVE the same audience. Ditto everything LayZ said.

    Suck it up, whiner.

  27. LayZ – you always know you have won the battle when Scoble doesn’t respond to your post. Well played.

  28. LayZ – you always know you have won the battle when Scoble doesn’t respond to your post. Well played.

  29. Sir Robert, regarding the engadget cancer xbox story, how do you feel about the fact engadget link to their ‘sister site’ as the source [Via Xbox360Fanboy] who in turn links to the real source?

  30. Sir Robert, regarding the engadget cancer xbox story, how do you feel about the fact engadget link to their ‘sister site’ as the source [Via Xbox360Fanboy] who in turn links to the real source?

  31. >There’s a little misunderstanding here. Intel did NOT pay for my videos. PodTech paid my expenses to get to Intel. Intel did NOT have prior restraint on my video (they did NOT get to see what I’d say about them, or include in the video). I treated them exactly the same as I treat all other interview subjects.
    On the other hand, PodTech did do a video for Intel. We made a mistake in not clearly marking that as content that was commissioned by Intel. We’re fixing that mistake right now.

    OK – as far as I’m concerned it doesn’t matter if Intel paid for one video, all videos or half of them – whatever.

    The fact is that PodTech has a commercial relationship with Intel and generates income from them… Given your senior position in PodTech, and your comments relating to the paid-for video, I am going to assume that you have some direct interaction with Intel in this commercial relationship.
    Also, from what I understand you have stocks (or stock options) with PodTech and I’m sure your salary is paid by the commercial relationships like the one with Intel.
    (correct me on any of this)
    So basically you are dealing directly with Intel as PR client and you will benefit greatly if PodTech gets more of their business.

    From that I can’t see any line between advertising and editorial sections here – you’re both. The invoice may say “payment for video A”, but that doesn’t make video B anything like an independent production in my eyes.

    Just a quick anecdote – I’m a freelance journalist working (atm) for a business paper in Ireland. A few months back I won a mobile phone from a company’s blog which asked people to comment on their soon-to-be-launched site.
    A week or so ago the company launched this site (and the related product), and in my mind it’s a pretty interesting idea and concept… in any other circumstance I would have gotten in touch and tried to write a piece on them… but I didn’t because I didn’t feel comfortable with the situation.
    I got a free phone off them, and in my mind it would make me less able to be objective – even if it didn’t people would assume I got the phone in return for giving them press.

    I guess my point is that you should rethink your own editorial policy before you start telling other sites how to work theirs.

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