Windows Vista vs. OSX debate now up

“UAC dlg runs in a separate desktop that no other app has access to.
That’s so that malware (spyware, keyloggers, etc) can’t snoop your password. And also makes it harder for malware to spoof the UAC dlg.

Mac malware ( if it existed) can spoof authentication dlgs and snoop anthentcation credentials that are entered by teh user.” – luke.

Luke, Vista’s UAC does this at the expense of the user’s productivity and concentration. Besides which, WHAT Mac Malware? You can’t justify something when the negative doesn’t exist, mate.

“I find that ad series quite insulting, implying that people who use PCs are ignorant polyester-suited nerds, and Mac users are cool, hip and more intelligent.” – Andrew.

Andrew, didn’t you see the Office 2003 ads by Microsoft? They implied that you were stupid old dinosaurs unless you upgraded…Tim (#75), spot on- the ads are light entertainment highlighting real facts. I always have a good laugh at these ads and look forward to more! They’re much better than lame pictures of dinosaur office workers being ‘prehistoric’ for using Office XP (a perfectly-fine version of Office, I might add)- talk about shooting yourself in the foot with your own ads criticising your own software!

“SEE! WE’RE PROTECTING YOU! BY LOCKING YOU OUT OF YOUR COMPUTER! WE PROTECT YOU” -John.

Made me spill my Coke with laughter! Thanks for your comments John- saved me typing them, and kept this inane and subjetively useless debate in order.

Robert, whilst your passion is laudable, your scientific nature is benign- your ‘facts’ leave us scratching our heads, forced to take you at word….sorry, but it doesn’t work like that in the real world- you might fool your Mother with those sweeping comments, but nobody else

You want .Net on a Mac, there’s Mono. Open source, well planned, well – executed.

Of course, the dirty secret about .Net is a lot of .Net applications aren’t “pure” .Net.

It’s not really a dirty secret as much as its the developer’s conscious/unconscious decision to make dependencies beyond .NET.

There’s actually a whole MSDN article on the topic of “pure” .NET.

I don’t see a lot of “.NET” applications sans such dependencies coming out of Microsoft.

I was excited when Vista was launched. My university had a PC in their IT office with Vista Business. I checked it out right before break and loved it. It is a welcome break from that all to familiar grey start button and outdated menu layout! I was psyched!

I used Linux for a while, and even used Mac OS X. I had a PC laptop that I bought a few months ago (I know, I had to have both OS’s). I bought Vista Home Premuim Academic today, and just now had enough time for the upgrade. I think I’ll stay up all night and play with it. It’s good to be back…

These guys are uninformed about mac in general.
The right-click debate was asinine. EVERY thing in mac has a right-click enabled. BUT you don’t NEED to because it’s designed to not cripple you.
Less is more.

What’s so beautiful about Apple’s OS? I beg you to enlighten me.

Great discussion. Also reveals the different types of users using the two systems. Mac to me makes so much more sense in comparison to Windows. I login every day at the office with ctrl + alt + delete which offsets windows take on how to use computers…..

excuse my englisch,

stefan, switzerland

There’s only ONE reason any person could argue in favor of windows over mac and that is they’ve never spent a week with a mac.
Longer life span.
no virusses.
no Delays.
no ‘drivers’
no ‘uninstallers’
no ‘system registry’.
better graphics, better media, Always ahead of Windows.
FASTER than ANY windows pc.
No ”New Hardware Wizard”.
Fast, easy, elegant, ergonomic, friendly, quick, CLEAN, uncluttered, longer-lasting, no trips to the ‘computer repair shop’.

I am a Mac user since 1985. Back then I bought a Mac because it offered a graphic environment and ease of use with peripherals (then mostly a printer). I have always stated I might switch to another OS if it offered me advantages. Which is what I am expecting from a comparison and not really getting.
Everything I own now is geared towards the Mac. So Vista ought to be really better to make a switch worthwhile.
Apart from that, the monopolistic power of Microsoft is not something I relish.

I think Vista sucks just like everything else WinDOZE!

Apple will bury MSFT …in time.

windows is the best
the most practical, and with vista’s launch the best looking os.

mac sucks. just looks good but otherwise sucks

Looks like a Windows masturbation session. All giddy that they’ve finally caught up… so catchng up = better….. because that is what they use.

The paradigm of Mac, at least from the layperson, appears to be Graphic Artist focused. I think there would be less resistance from hardcore PC geeks, especially programmers, if Mac were to put some dollars into marketing and developing a stronger developer community. Sure it exists, but even Mac pokes fun of the developers in their commercials [insert commercial about c++ programmers bible here]. I don’t think companies even put Macs on the list in consideration for application development platforms. Java = windows/linux… well that is pretty much the two choices for all languages. Variety is good, so more power to Mac to try. I suppose they didn’t revitalize themselves touting Java support and development platforms so they just focus on what works, but I truly do feel that there is a larger demographic that they are missing out on who are especially prone to be evangelists towards one OS… programmers and especially those younger basement dwelling coding trolls and college kids that are the future of software development.

At least they have common ground in that neither one can be released on time. They’re locked in a heated icon battle at http://buzzdroid.com/icon-battle/icon-battle-vista-vs-os-x-leopard/

Good show but it has to be said that you guys aren’t nearly as informed as you think you are. It’s obvious that you know next to nothing about the inner workings of either OS, even though you claim to be techies.

Case in point: Unix has better file systems than the Mac… I’m sorry but some of this stuff is just silly. OS X is Unix. And, Leopard will ship with support for the most advanced file system on the planet: ZFS.

Windows is also a terrible idea for servers, this is why Unix runs the internet, not Windows server. I am a Mac user, but I work with Windows all day as a developer.

It’s amazingly easy to sit on a couch and talk your ass off about what you think will come. CAN YOU TRY AND STICK TO FACTS.

Thanks, Take care,

Mark.

Please, please don’t pretend to know anything about .NET or development in general. Version 3.0 of .NET is not a major upgrade, there are some minor changes to C#, new and updated APIs and some minor Tech added. In fact the version number was chosen simply to make it fit better with Vista!

WIth this mouse shit you’ve gone way to far.

Let me assert for the record that every Mac designed in the past 5 years will have a mouse that has right click! Added to that every notebook for the last 4 years accept a two finger click on the track-pad as a right click. Even if you don’t have a new Mac you can hold down control and click.

RIGHT CLICK is built into the OS. It’s been built in since the NeXT OS, the OS that became OS X. Also note that you can use right click for a lot of things, but it’s an option.

The guy in the middle there doesn’t any of this. It was at this point that the discussion became a joke. It was reasonably creditable before any of the mouse talk.

I’m not trying to knock you, great show, but you have your facts wrong in so many areas.

Best wishes,

Mark.

Hmm, I had a few wee plays with OSX, and yeah, it does seem nice and simple.
I wasn’t that impressed though, nothing really grabbed me as amazing or intuitive, but I suppose you would have to use the OS everyday to actually form a proper opinion on how good it is.

As for the stability of Vista, I have been running vista daily since February now.
The system itself has not crashed once.Ever!
Sure, a few applications I have installed have had a few issues, but rather than hang the system like they would have in XP, vista gives you the option of persevering or killing the app.

The problem with running Vista is that anyone can try to install it on any old piece of crap.
With apple, everything is sorted upon purchase, which is good for some.

Not for me though, I like to build my own computers.

I built two conroe powered computers for a friend who uses them for rendering, using lightwave.
And yes, there were a few teething issues to begin with, but they were sorted pretty quick.
Now, his business partner has a mac pro, and just one of these conroe powered PC’s out rendered the mac, 2 minutes a frame to the macs 4 minutes.
The mac cost a little bit more than both PC’s, and yes, they came with a widescreen monitor and peripherals.
So my friend quadrupled his production time by going with windows.

By the way, as far as I am aware, there are no conroe powered macs out there, I might be wrong, but a google search seems to bring up some rather ambiguous results.
I might be wrong, correct me if this is the case.

Someone mentioned the Macs have better graphics than PC’s.

How so?

What is the best Graphics Card you can get for a Mac?
As far as I can tell, its the higher price than normal Quadro FX 4500.

Do they support Quadro FX 5500 1GB?
No.
Do the support the 8 series nVidia cards?
No.
Do they support DX10?
No.

So please, tell me why they would have better graphics?

Food for thought.

Anyway, I suppose we will have to wait until they are happy with the iPhone, and then maybe we can see how good Leopard is eh?

“no trips to the ‘computer repair shop’.”

Bwahaha, yeah right

Use whatever OS works best for you and the software you wish to run on it. If OSX floats your boat, good for you, enjoy yourself; if it’s Linux, then well done, I hope you’re having fun, for me it’s Windows.

It’s interesting to think the OS debate is rarely ever “THIS is better than THAT”, but more “MINE is better than YOURS”, as if we need to justify ourselves to make ourselves feel better about the choices we have made.

I create 3D and 2D graphics, webpages and Flash animations using Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver, Flash, Cinema 4D, all from within XP (and now Vista) without a problem, without any effort, and without having to fight against some sort of mythical OS monster to do it. I’ve never had a computer virus in the 8 years connected to the net (4 years via broadband), and the last blue screen of death I had was at least 2 years ago. I also enjoy the latest games (STALKER is the current favourite).

It’s a pity that owners of other operating systems will sometimes feel the need to try and make me feel inferior too them, for no apparent reason apart from to make themselves feel good.

OS X: ‘Hey, Vista, what’s up?’
Vista: ‘I’m playing a game.’
OS X: ‘Cool, which one?’
Vista: ‘Any.’
OS X: ‘Oh…’ (Turns away… Fades away…)

Michaelangelo, see post 103.

With Leopard around the corner and the problems Vista faces, I guess Leopard will win the OS battle.

Cheers