I still love Xbox, TabletPCs, Media Center, Halo, etc.

February 26, 2007 By

Liz Lawley wonders why I hyped up all things Microsoft when I worked there, but now don’t get excited anymore. She missed that I was only talking about Internet stuff that goes in the Web browser, not stuff that Microsoft is more traditionally known for like Windows and Xbox and all that. I don’t remember too many things I hyped up back then that were Web services. Virtual Earth is one glaring example. Yeah, that still wows me. I still love a lot about Microsoft (the first time, if you remember, I saw Office 2007′s new interface I said “wow”) but look at the examples Liz got excited about. Do they really make you go “wow?”

I still get excited by Vista, Halo, Tablet PCs, new mice, etc.

UPDATE: One area where I was wow’ed and now am seeing that wow tempered is Windows Presentation Foundation. It builds the coolest demos (see Tim Sneath’s blog). But now that I have a Macintosh I find it isn’t nearly as interesting as when I lived in Windows-only world. Why? Cause WPF/E isn’t done, doesn’t run every WPF application, and for tools developers will need to use Windows (the best tools, Expression and Visual Studio are Windows only).

Oh, and Liz, I hate your comments. I have to register just to leave you a comment. That sucks.

The real point here is to look at the commentary my post started. Not many people could come up with things that Microsoft has done lately that get them excited about its stance on the Internet. Can anyone else come up with some?

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  • John

    Ms. Dewey isn’t wow? Not only is it a good skin on Live Search, but it’s some good skin on search…if you know what I mean. She’s HOT. And the script is inventive and edgy.

    And yes…you may not see the vitriol, but I see it as well, it bleeds through in your comments. You may not like anonymous comments (like mine), but you do have them turned on. Very disengenuous of you to then “out” the anon posters at your whim.

  • John

    Ms. Dewey isn’t wow? Not only is it a good skin on Live Search, but it’s some good skin on search…if you know what I mean. She’s HOT. And the script is inventive and edgy.

    And yes…you may not see the vitriol, but I see it as well, it bleeds through in your comments. You may not like anonymous comments (like mine), but you do have them turned on. Very disengenuous of you to then “out” the anon posters at your whim.

  • John

    Ms. Dewey isn’t wow? Not only is it a good skin on Live Search, but it’s some good skin on search…if you know what I mean. She’s HOT. And the script is inventive and edgy.

    And yes…you may not see the vitriol, but I see it as well, it bleeds through in your comments. You may not like anonymous comments (like mine), but you do have them turned on. Very disengenuous of you to then “out” the anon posters at your whim.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    John: if you think Ms. Dewey is “wow” then I have to wonder what Merlot are you drinking because obviously I need some of that!

    Sriram: good points. Vista ads are plastered all over San Francisco. They aren’t as cool as the iPod ads, but at least they are there. I remember asking the marketing department to do advertising like that and getting blank stares for a long time. So, kudos!

    But, now, why isn’t Vista sales meeting expectations? Ballmer is going around calming everyone down cause he knows that sales aren’t very hot.

    Hint: normal people don’t upgrade: geeks do. We don’t see the need.

    This is the problem. Ads don’t do the trick for us.

    Also, you’re confusing your influentials. Mike Arrington is influential in Web 2.0 stuff. You’d be better off talking with Chris Pirillo, or John Markoff or Steven Levy or Leo Laporte about operating systems (or, about 100 people who are similar). Those are the guys that lots of people listen to.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    John: if you think Ms. Dewey is “wow” then I have to wonder what Merlot are you drinking because obviously I need some of that!

    Sriram: good points. Vista ads are plastered all over San Francisco. They aren’t as cool as the iPod ads, but at least they are there. I remember asking the marketing department to do advertising like that and getting blank stares for a long time. So, kudos!

    But, now, why isn’t Vista sales meeting expectations? Ballmer is going around calming everyone down cause he knows that sales aren’t very hot.

    Hint: normal people don’t upgrade: geeks do. We don’t see the need.

    This is the problem. Ads don’t do the trick for us.

    Also, you’re confusing your influentials. Mike Arrington is influential in Web 2.0 stuff. You’d be better off talking with Chris Pirillo, or John Markoff or Steven Levy or Leo Laporte about operating systems (or, about 100 people who are similar). Those are the guys that lots of people listen to.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    John: if you think Ms. Dewey is “wow” then I have to wonder what Merlot are you drinking because obviously I need some of that!

    Sriram: good points. Vista ads are plastered all over San Francisco. They aren’t as cool as the iPod ads, but at least they are there. I remember asking the marketing department to do advertising like that and getting blank stares for a long time. So, kudos!

    But, now, why isn’t Vista sales meeting expectations? Ballmer is going around calming everyone down cause he knows that sales aren’t very hot.

    Hint: normal people don’t upgrade: geeks do. We don’t see the need.

    This is the problem. Ads don’t do the trick for us.

    Also, you’re confusing your influentials. Mike Arrington is influential in Web 2.0 stuff. You’d be better off talking with Chris Pirillo, or John Markoff or Steven Levy or Leo Laporte about operating systems (or, about 100 people who are similar). Those are the guys that lots of people listen to.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    John: even better. Ms. Dewey is done in Flash! http://www.msdewey.com/

    So, even Microsoft’s own developers like Flash better than .NET 3.0 for client-side stuff.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    John: even better. Ms. Dewey is done in Flash! http://www.msdewey.com/

    So, even Microsoft’s own developers like Flash better than .NET 3.0 for client-side stuff.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    John: even better. Ms. Dewey is done in Flash! http://www.msdewey.com/

    So, even Microsoft’s own developers like Flash better than .NET 3.0 for client-side stuff.

  • John

    Dewey in Flash? Who cares? If you’re defining “wow” in terms of growth (see 27 and 40) then MSFT is obviously doing what it needs to see growth through using another tool for the job. Who the f–k cares what it was created in. That was done on a shoestring budget under the radar, obviously some dev had an affinity with another tool. The “wow” isn’t about the hammer used to create the house, but about the end product.

  • John

    Dewey in Flash? Who cares? If you’re defining “wow” in terms of growth (see 27 and 40) then MSFT is obviously doing what it needs to see growth through using another tool for the job. Who the f–k cares what it was created in. That was done on a shoestring budget under the radar, obviously some dev had an affinity with another tool. The “wow” isn’t about the hammer used to create the house, but about the end product.

  • John

    Dewey in Flash? Who cares? If you’re defining “wow” in terms of growth (see 27 and 40) then MSFT is obviously doing what it needs to see growth through using another tool for the job. Who the f–k cares what it was created in. That was done on a shoestring budget under the radar, obviously some dev had an affinity with another tool. The “wow” isn’t about the hammer used to create the house, but about the end product.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    John: because my original point last week that led to the development of this post here was that developers are moving away from Microsoft technologies on the Internet.

    Shoestring budget? Really? I didn’t know you could hire an actress and put together something this cool on a shoestring. I heard the actress on CNBC who did this the other day and it didn’t sound like a skunkworks project. Where did you hear that?

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    John: because my original point last week that led to the development of this post here was that developers are moving away from Microsoft technologies on the Internet.

    Shoestring budget? Really? I didn’t know you could hire an actress and put together something this cool on a shoestring. I heard the actress on CNBC who did this the other day and it didn’t sound like a skunkworks project. Where did you hear that?

  • John

    The Product Manager who did Ms. Dewey was interviewed on NPR and talked about how he did it (i.e. without LCA approval). I say “shoestring” for MSFT, but still small. MUCH less than you’d think for a MSFT marketing project. Couple dozen g’s. I didn’t say skunkworks…I said shoestring. I work with actresses all the time, you can absolutely hire someone to do voice and video shorts for a couple 10 grand.

  • John

    The Product Manager who did Ms. Dewey was interviewed on NPR and talked about how he did it (i.e. without LCA approval). I say “shoestring” for MSFT, but still small. MUCH less than you’d think for a MSFT marketing project. Couple dozen g’s. I didn’t say skunkworks…I said shoestring. I work with actresses all the time, you can absolutely hire someone to do voice and video shorts for a couple 10 grand.

  • http://neverness.wordpress.com/ neverness

    John, I took the bate. She looks Wow indeed, but i also decided to test her functionality (actually she’s now shouting “type something here”)

    I decided on a small test to see whether she is wow as she seems to be a search portal. Around 2000 I was involved in building a search portal for a italian operator. Based upon natural language you would receive results f.i. give me the best hotel in rome (in Italian) would give you results and could connect you with the appropriate hotel when you decided so.

    I tried this question: “What’s the best restaurant in Seatle” She responds with something about a celebrity strip show, nice but utterly useless information and the first result she shows is this site: http://strayfromtheheart.org/wordpress/?p=38

    The result is useless, not even close to what i was looking and you call this wow????

    If you where over here in the Netherlands I would ask you which coffeshop you’ve been to, because they’ve definitely have some very good shit there.

    You would have wowed me when she would have responded in the likes of:

    Well this is the best according to the critics, but according to the incrowd this would be the best place to go.

  • http://neverness.wordpress.com/ neverness

    John, I took the bate. She looks Wow indeed, but i also decided to test her functionality (actually she’s now shouting “type something here”)

    I decided on a small test to see whether she is wow as she seems to be a search portal. Around 2000 I was involved in building a search portal for a italian operator. Based upon natural language you would receive results f.i. give me the best hotel in rome (in Italian) would give you results and could connect you with the appropriate hotel when you decided so.

    I tried this question: “What’s the best restaurant in Seatle” She responds with something about a celebrity strip show, nice but utterly useless information and the first result she shows is this site: http://strayfromtheheart.org/wordpress/?p=38

    The result is useless, not even close to what i was looking and you call this wow????

    If you where over here in the Netherlands I would ask you which coffeshop you’ve been to, because they’ve definitely have some very good shit there.

    You would have wowed me when she would have responded in the likes of:

    Well this is the best according to the critics, but according to the incrowd this would be the best place to go.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    neverness: I agree with you. I just tried a few searches and definitely wasn’t “wow’ed.” And, if you think she’s good looking there’s a lot better looking women out there who won’t annoy you. Try Cali Lewis over at Geekbrief.tv, for instance.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    neverness: I agree with you. I just tried a few searches and definitely wasn’t “wow’ed.” And, if you think she’s good looking there’s a lot better looking women out there who won’t annoy you. Try Cali Lewis over at Geekbrief.tv, for instance.

  • John

    @71…

    Just my point. On a shoestring budget you can’t cover every locale with the script nor can you cover every city. I actually don’t care that some of the monolog is inane. The search works (base on Live Search) and for instance even though they didn’t code for Spanish, I actually get good results when searching for things for my Latina wife.

    The person in charge wants to cover more locales, but doesn’t have the budget now. My guess is that someone in Legal or management at MSFT got their hands on this and that’s where the innovation stops. A completely different issue altogether…see MiniMSFT.

    For me…for my teenage sons…Ms. Dewey makes Search fun. Beats the pants off other interfaces I have seen and because it’s from MSFT I know I can trust it, in more ways than one.

  • John

    @71…

    Just my point. On a shoestring budget you can’t cover every locale with the script nor can you cover every city. I actually don’t care that some of the monolog is inane. The search works (base on Live Search) and for instance even though they didn’t code for Spanish, I actually get good results when searching for things for my Latina wife.

    The person in charge wants to cover more locales, but doesn’t have the budget now. My guess is that someone in Legal or management at MSFT got their hands on this and that’s where the innovation stops. A completely different issue altogether…see MiniMSFT.

    For me…for my teenage sons…Ms. Dewey makes Search fun. Beats the pants off other interfaces I have seen and because it’s from MSFT I know I can trust it, in more ways than one.

  • John

    @71…

    Just my point. On a shoestring budget you can’t cover every locale with the script nor can you cover every city. I actually don’t care that some of the monolog is inane. The search works (base on Live Search) and for instance even though they didn’t code for Spanish, I actually get good results when searching for things for my Latina wife.

    The person in charge wants to cover more locales, but doesn’t have the budget now. My guess is that someone in Legal or management at MSFT got their hands on this and that’s where the innovation stops. A completely different issue altogether…see MiniMSFT.

    For me…for my teenage sons…Ms. Dewey makes Search fun. Beats the pants off other interfaces I have seen and because it’s from MSFT I know I can trust it, in more ways than one.

  • http://neverness.wordpress.com/ neverness

    Scobble, everytime i wake up I see a hot good looking woman, she’s called my wife ;)

  • John

    @72…

    Be honest Robert…you’re burning the bridge. Yes, I’m a softtie…not a big fan of the company more often than not, but your posts of late, while mostly on target (mostly) have been really disrespectful to the company that put you on the map.

    Did someone diss you on an interview or charge you full price for your MSDN or something?

  • John

    @72…

    Be honest Robert…you’re burning the bridge. Yes, I’m a softtie…not a big fan of the company more often than not, but your posts of late, while mostly on target (mostly) have been really disrespectful to the company that put you on the map.

    Did someone diss you on an interview or charge you full price for your MSDN or something?

  • John

    @72…

    Be honest Robert…you’re burning the bridge. Yes, I’m a softtie…not a big fan of the company more often than not, but your posts of late, while mostly on target (mostly) have been really disrespectful to the company that put you on the map.

    Did someone diss you on an interview or charge you full price for your MSDN or something?

  • http://neverness.wordpress.com/ neverness

    Scobble, everytime i wake up I see a hot good looking woman, she’s called my wife ;)

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    John: if this is what’s called “burning a bridge” then I don’t want it.

    You missed that I told Bill Gates to split Microsoft up BEFORE I was a Microsoft employee. One thing I like about Microsoft is that they usually are pretty good about criticism.

    If telling the world what developers are telling me in the street is going to burn a bridge, then so be it.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    John: if this is what’s called “burning a bridge” then I don’t want it.

    You missed that I told Bill Gates to split Microsoft up BEFORE I was a Microsoft employee. One thing I like about Microsoft is that they usually are pretty good about criticism.

    If telling the world what developers are telling me in the street is going to burn a bridge, then so be it.

  • John

    Well, for my part, I hope you’re not burning a bridge, but I think that you need to take a hard look at the tone of your posts and comments. I understand, sometime they come in too fast to really reflect. If Microsoft needs to do something to win you back over, they need to. If you need more visibility into some of the smaller pockets that are doing cool things, I’m sure they could use your help and visibility. But don’t write off the company that made you a much bigger person simply because you haven’t been able to hit every corner of the behemoth.

    Also remember that you only hit a segment of the developer marketplace that focus on web delivery. I work and have worked with scores of companies in the enterprise business app space that are huge MSFT users. And these are those that deal with daily decisions about whether to use (or not) MSFT tools or someone else, not fan boys or MVPs, but real firms trying to meet a bottom line…and they do great things with MSFT technology.

    As for splitting the company up…we’re all for it, us here down in the trenches. :-)

  • John

    Well, for my part, I hope you’re not burning a bridge, but I think that you need to take a hard look at the tone of your posts and comments. I understand, sometime they come in too fast to really reflect. If Microsoft needs to do something to win you back over, they need to. If you need more visibility into some of the smaller pockets that are doing cool things, I’m sure they could use your help and visibility. But don’t write off the company that made you a much bigger person simply because you haven’t been able to hit every corner of the behemoth.

    Also remember that you only hit a segment of the developer marketplace that focus on web delivery. I work and have worked with scores of companies in the enterprise business app space that are huge MSFT users. And these are those that deal with daily decisions about whether to use (or not) MSFT tools or someone else, not fan boys or MVPs, but real firms trying to meet a bottom line…and they do great things with MSFT technology.

    As for splitting the company up…we’re all for it, us here down in the trenches. :-)

  • John

    Well, for my part, I hope you’re not burning a bridge, but I think that you need to take a hard look at the tone of your posts and comments. I understand, sometime they come in too fast to really reflect. If Microsoft needs to do something to win you back over, they need to. If you need more visibility into some of the smaller pockets that are doing cool things, I’m sure they could use your help and visibility. But don’t write off the company that made you a much bigger person simply because you haven’t been able to hit every corner of the behemoth.

    Also remember that you only hit a segment of the developer marketplace that focus on web delivery. I work and have worked with scores of companies in the enterprise business app space that are huge MSFT users. And these are those that deal with daily decisions about whether to use (or not) MSFT tools or someone else, not fan boys or MVPs, but real firms trying to meet a bottom line…and they do great things with MSFT technology.

    As for splitting the company up…we’re all for it, us here down in the trenches. :-)

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    John: agreed.

    But, regarding what’s hot. Don’t take my word for it. Kevin Johnson, Microsoft’s President, says that Web delivery is where they are focusing. That’s why Microsoft is doing the Mix conference. I’ll be at the next one. It’ll be interesting to see what they show us because what they have been showing us has been falling flat.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    John: agreed.

    But, regarding what’s hot. Don’t take my word for it. Kevin Johnson, Microsoft’s President, says that Web delivery is where they are focusing. That’s why Microsoft is doing the Mix conference. I’ll be at the next one. It’ll be interesting to see what they show us because what they have been showing us has been falling flat.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    John: agreed.

    But, regarding what’s hot. Don’t take my word for it. Kevin Johnson, Microsoft’s President, says that Web delivery is where they are focusing. That’s why Microsoft is doing the Mix conference. I’ll be at the next one. It’ll be interesting to see what they show us because what they have been showing us has been falling flat.

  • http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/ Jeff Atwood

    On Scoble becoming defensive:

    > It’s interesting that the tactic used here is “attack the messenger” and not “put up some decent arguments.”

    Are you under attack? Granted, there are some jerks who post rude stuff here (and you absolutely have a right to ignore and delete their posts), but generalizing an discussion into “you guys are all out to get me” (p.s. your arguments suck) isn’t helpful, either.

    > I’ve met with more than 125 companies all around the world and these trends have nothing to do with Silicon Valley startup bubbles.

    Nothing screams “I’m important” quite like a man screaming “I’m important.”

    > #44: of course you’re right. Instead we’re all listening to you and your wonderful insights about the tech industry. Where’s your blog again?

    See above. Granted this guy was a jerk, but it’s better to ignore than stoop to their level.

    > I’ve also met with CTOs of some very big companies and big compute organizations in the past few years. I don’t see any new love for Microsoft there, either.

    I used to have a girlfriend who would condescendingly tell me that my opinion was invalid because I wasn’t privy to the same information she had. We’re no longer together. And I pity the poor man she’s married to now.

    > Also, you’re confusing your influentials.

    And you’re evidently the arbiter of all things influential as well. Why even bother asking us what we think when you already know the correct answer?

    This isn’t a naked conversation. It’s you reflexively browbeating everyone into submission with your opinions.

    For whatever reason, this is not the Scoble I remember. Maybe I’m remembering wrong. Maybe discussions here were always like this. But to me, you seem angrier and more defensive than I remember.

    I love you anyway, but I’m just sayin’.

  • http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/ Jeff Atwood

    On Scoble becoming defensive:

    > It’s interesting that the tactic used here is “attack the messenger” and not “put up some decent arguments.”

    Are you under attack? Granted, there are some jerks who post rude stuff here (and you absolutely have a right to ignore and delete their posts), but generalizing an discussion into “you guys are all out to get me” (p.s. your arguments suck) isn’t helpful, either.

    > I’ve met with more than 125 companies all around the world and these trends have nothing to do with Silicon Valley startup bubbles.

    Nothing screams “I’m important” quite like a man screaming “I’m important.”

    > #44: of course you’re right. Instead we’re all listening to you and your wonderful insights about the tech industry. Where’s your blog again?

    See above. Granted this guy was a jerk, but it’s better to ignore than stoop to their level.

    > I’ve also met with CTOs of some very big companies and big compute organizations in the past few years. I don’t see any new love for Microsoft there, either.

    I used to have a girlfriend who would condescendingly tell me that my opinion was invalid because I wasn’t privy to the same information she had. We’re no longer together. And I pity the poor man she’s married to now.

    > Also, you’re confusing your influentials.

    And you’re evidently the arbiter of all things influential as well. Why even bother asking us what we think when you already know the correct answer?

    This isn’t a naked conversation. It’s you reflexively browbeating everyone into submission with your opinions.

    For whatever reason, this is not the Scoble I remember. Maybe I’m remembering wrong. Maybe discussions here were always like this. But to me, you seem angrier and more defensive than I remember.

    I love you anyway, but I’m just sayin’.

  • John

    IMHO…Kevin Johnson is a moron. Sorry to say it if you like him, but I never liked him when he was in charge of sales and don’t like him now. He lacks vision and spine for true innovation. He’s toeing the Ballmer line.

    Web delivery is an infrastructure concern, but too many inside MSFT have adopted the mantra that web delivery == search revenue. Wrong and wrong.

    I’m in the Office org and I can tell you that the groups doing some great new things (for the web even) haven’t even heard of or been invited to the Mix conference. You were in DPE…they’re connected well in some groups and not well in others…and they’re the ones driving Mix as well. I hear you on Ozzie’s silence, not much to say there…but even those of us in Office pretty much just plug along, we don’t care what he says…yet.

    The companies that I work with, external partners, hundreds of them in the enterprise space…are still looking at rich client delivery, for a number of reasons, not the LEAST of which is the fact that large enterprises have yet to really jump into the web…and that will take years. In the meantime they’re doing fantastic things with Office, and WPF and BizTalk and SQL Server and BI….amazing things really. Not really your bailiwick…I get that, but don’t also discount it.

  • John

    IMHO…Kevin Johnson is a moron. Sorry to say it if you like him, but I never liked him when he was in charge of sales and don’t like him now. He lacks vision and spine for true innovation. He’s toeing the Ballmer line.

    Web delivery is an infrastructure concern, but too many inside MSFT have adopted the mantra that web delivery == search revenue. Wrong and wrong.

    I’m in the Office org and I can tell you that the groups doing some great new things (for the web even) haven’t even heard of or been invited to the Mix conference. You were in DPE…they’re connected well in some groups and not well in others…and they’re the ones driving Mix as well. I hear you on Ozzie’s silence, not much to say there…but even those of us in Office pretty much just plug along, we don’t care what he says…yet.

    The companies that I work with, external partners, hundreds of them in the enterprise space…are still looking at rich client delivery, for a number of reasons, not the LEAST of which is the fact that large enterprises have yet to really jump into the web…and that will take years. In the meantime they’re doing fantastic things with Office, and WPF and BizTalk and SQL Server and BI….amazing things really. Not really your bailiwick…I get that, but don’t also discount it.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Jeff: >>Why even bother asking us what we think when you already know the correct answer?

    You’re reading stuff into my writing that simply isn’t there. But, then, if I do know the answer I’m going to tell you. It’s my blog.

    John: really? I was at a Salesforce conference and all the big companies say they are doing Web stuff now. I met lots of Fortune 100 companies there.

    I guess that I can’t even engage in my own comment area anymore without being browbeat into submission without appearing defensive and/or angry. Sigh.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Jeff: >>Why even bother asking us what we think when you already know the correct answer?

    You’re reading stuff into my writing that simply isn’t there. But, then, if I do know the answer I’m going to tell you. It’s my blog.

    John: really? I was at a Salesforce conference and all the big companies say they are doing Web stuff now. I met lots of Fortune 100 companies there.

    I guess that I can’t even engage in my own comment area anymore without being browbeat into submission without appearing defensive and/or angry. Sigh.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Jeff: >>Why even bother asking us what we think when you already know the correct answer?

    You’re reading stuff into my writing that simply isn’t there. But, then, if I do know the answer I’m going to tell you. It’s my blog.

    John: really? I was at a Salesforce conference and all the big companies say they are doing Web stuff now. I met lots of Fortune 100 companies there.

    I guess that I can’t even engage in my own comment area anymore without being browbeat into submission without appearing defensive and/or angry. Sigh.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    John: the irony of you calling Kevin Johnson, a guy you work for, a moron, right after you were telling me I was burning my bridges. Pot calling kettle black maybe?

    Amazing.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    John: the irony of you calling Kevin Johnson, a guy you work for, a moron, right after you were telling me I was burning my bridges. Pot calling kettle black maybe?

    Amazing.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    John: the irony of you calling Kevin Johnson, a guy you work for, a moron, right after you were telling me I was burning my bridges. Pot calling kettle black maybe?

    Amazing.

  • John

    @81…

    I said “really jump into the web”…I didn’t mean do “something” with the web. It’s one thing for a company to do online banking or take insurance quotes online…quite another for them to go all web all the time. Annuity transaction processing systems, healthcare case management…still very much old school.

    No big company doesn’t want to NOT admit that they’re not doing web stuff…but how many would say they are entirely web based or that many of their business critical or mission critical apps are web based…not many. You’ve got to get past the marketing veneer.

  • John

    @81…

    I said “really jump into the web”…I didn’t mean do “something” with the web. It’s one thing for a company to do online banking or take insurance quotes online…quite another for them to go all web all the time. Annuity transaction processing systems, healthcare case management…still very much old school.

    No big company doesn’t want to NOT admit that they’re not doing web stuff…but how many would say they are entirely web based or that many of their business critical or mission critical apps are web based…not many. You’ve got to get past the marketing veneer.

  • John

    I never had a bridge with Kevin…therefore not one to burn. :-)

  • John

    I never had a bridge with Kevin…therefore not one to burn. :-)

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