Microsoft tells MVPs “we’re in it to win” — Really?

Look at my last post. Now read this one over on LiveSide. It’s a short report that Microsoft executives are bragging to MVPs that “we’re in it to win.”

I don’t think Microsoft is. The words are empty. Microsoft’s Internet execution sucks (on whole). Its search sucks. Its advertising sucks (look at that last post again). If that’s “in it to win” then I don’t get it. I saw a bunch of posts similar to the one on LiveSide coming out of the MVP Summit. I didn’t post any of them to my link blog for a reason: All were air, no real demonstrations of how Microsoft is going to lead.

Microsoft isn’t going away. Don’t get me wrong. They have record profits, record sales, all that. But on the Internet? Come on. This isn’t winning. Microsoft: stop the talk. Ship a better search, a better advertising system than Google, a better hosting service than Amazon, a better cross-platform Web development ecosystem than Adobe, and get some services out there that are innovative (where’s the video RSS reader? Blog search? Something like Yahoo’s Pipes? A real blog service? A way to look up people?) That’s how you win.

Oh, and Ballmer, if I ran Google your speech at Stanford yesterday would be plastered on every door on every campus Google has. Why? It’ll motivate Google employees the same way a coach will motivate an opposing team during the Superbowl by taking trash in the press. You’re up against a formidable competitor and one you’ve never seen before that has some real, significant weapons that you can’t deal with (and YouTube isn’t even close to it). Google’s secret weapon? It controls the entire stack in the datacenter. Google writes its own hard disk drivers. It has its datacenter hardware built to its spec. Ever wonder why Live.com is slower than Google? Hint: it’s cause Google is out executing Microsoft in the datacenter.

This isn’t Netscape you’re talking trash to, Steve. Have you really studied Google? It doesn’t sound like you have.

Again, Microsofties, you’d be better served not to talk trash until you have something YOU CAN SHIP!

I sure hope they don’t show up at Mix07 with this kind of “we’re in it to win” talk. The MVPs might be easy to talk into doing some cheerleading but the rest of us are over that now. We’re looking for signs of leadership and so far we don’t see it.

Sigh.

548 thoughts on “Microsoft tells MVPs “we’re in it to win” — Really?

  1. Bascially, MS is “innovating” a whole lot, but it wants to innovate the whole solution, and all the innovation is staying within its R&D walls.

  2. Bascially, MS is “innovating” a whole lot, but it wants to innovate the whole solution, and all the innovation is staying within its R&D walls.

  3. My guess is that MS wants to develop it’s own web-application stack– XAML etc. on Vista clients; MS-designed SOAP protocols; .NET apps running on Windows servers.

    Google and friends are getting there first because they’re using already-deployed technology: HTML, Flash, Javascript in any browser on the client; HTTP requests to get data; whatever kind of apps you want (Java, C, C++, Perl, Python, Ruby) running on Linux servers.

  4. My guess is that MS wants to develop it’s own web-application stack– XAML etc. on Vista clients; MS-designed SOAP protocols; .NET apps running on Windows servers.

    Google and friends are getting there first because they’re using already-deployed technology: HTML, Flash, Javascript in any browser on the client; HTTP requests to get data; whatever kind of apps you want (Java, C, C++, Perl, Python, Ruby) running on Linux servers.

  5. Still waiting on sitemap support in Live.com after many inexplicable months…

    If Live.com is so great, then why did they let Google and Yahoo beat them so badly on this?

  6. Still waiting on sitemap support in Live.com after many inexplicable months…

    If Live.com is so great, then why did they let Google and Yahoo beat them so badly on this?

  7. Well, for many companies and orgaisations, it is not a matter how Microsoft scores on “the internet” and wether or not their search engines “sucks”.
    In many cases, the true value for these companies are how Microsoft and their partners come up with solutions that have true, meaningful value to their business activities.
    And deliver solutions, that is what Microsoft does indeed. I don’t think that Microsoft vs. Google this and that is so important.
    /M

  8. Well, for many companies and orgaisations, it is not a matter how Microsoft scores on “the internet” and wether or not their search engines “sucks”.
    In many cases, the true value for these companies are how Microsoft and their partners come up with solutions that have true, meaningful value to their business activities.
    And deliver solutions, that is what Microsoft does indeed. I don’t think that Microsoft vs. Google this and that is so important.
    /M

  9. 229 – you obviously did not suffer through Pan Am in the 80s…I did just about every month on some international flight …or Microsoft in the last decade …financial statements are trailing indicators. Consumers are far ahead of investors in sensing problems…as I say repeatedly say -

    True North is on Main street not Wall Street

  10. 229 – you obviously did not suffer through Pan Am in the 80s…I did just about every month on some international flight …or Microsoft in the last decade …financial statements are trailing indicators. Consumers are far ahead of investors in sensing problems…as I say repeatedly say -

    True North is on Main street not Wall Street

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  12. Funny, when I go search for “Robert” on google, it’s either Robert the Bruce, Robert the Second of Scotland that is, or Robert aka Wobert, the poodle in “Meet the Feebles”. Comes of having different priorities, I suppose.

    And as far as Microsoft goes, it’s not bleeding red ink – yet. But SteveB seems to be focused on defining his mouth as a shoe, and inserting his foot whenever he’s offered the chance. The closest analogy with Microsoft is of course, Pan Am. They were for all intents and purposes, fit and obnoxiously healthy in the early nineties, and then all of a sudden, they just weren’t there any more.

    Is Pan Am the _new_ Microsoft?

  13. Funny, when I go search for “Robert” on google, it’s either Robert the Bruce, Robert the Second of Scotland that is, or Robert aka Wobert, the poodle in “Meet the Feebles”. Comes of having different priorities, I suppose.

    And as far as Microsoft goes, it’s not bleeding red ink – yet. But SteveB seems to be focused on defining his mouth as a shoe, and inserting his foot whenever he’s offered the chance. The closest analogy with Microsoft is of course, Pan Am. They were for all intents and purposes, fit and obnoxiously healthy in the early nineties, and then all of a sudden, they just weren’t there any more.

    Is Pan Am the _new_ Microsoft?

  14. Robert: re “Oh, and by paying MVPs way, and giving out lots of goodies (I saw some MVPs admit that they got free Tablet PCs by going), everyone is unwilling to say anything anti-Microsoft because you want to get invited next year.”

    Damn it Robert, you’re doing the “everyone” thing again (what happened to realising that a broad brush is wrong?) and once again you go too far. I paid $3,500 out of my own pocket just in air fares to attend the summit, hundreds of dollars in taxi fares and for my own internet access in the hotel – another $50. MS paid for my hotel room – yay them.

    Not only that, MS has *never* paid my multi thousand dollar airfare to attend a Summit in the USA – not once – never.

    My goodies? half a dozen t.shirts, a copy of Expression Web designer, and a handful of $5 trinkets. That’s it. Oh yeah, that *really* stacks up well at over $4,000 personal expenditure on my part.

    How *dare* you suggest that I, as part of the global “anyone” am “unwilling to say anything anti-Microsoft because [I] want to get invited next year”.

    You really do not get it.

  15. Robert: re “Oh, and by paying MVPs way, and giving out lots of goodies (I saw some MVPs admit that they got free Tablet PCs by going), everyone is unwilling to say anything anti-Microsoft because you want to get invited next year.”

    Damn it Robert, you’re doing the “everyone” thing again (what happened to realising that a broad brush is wrong?) and once again you go too far. I paid $3,500 out of my own pocket just in air fares to attend the summit, hundreds of dollars in taxi fares and for my own internet access in the hotel – another $50. MS paid for my hotel room – yay them.

    Not only that, MS has *never* paid my multi thousand dollar airfare to attend a Summit in the USA – not once – never.

    My goodies? half a dozen t.shirts, a copy of Expression Web designer, and a handful of $5 trinkets. That’s it. Oh yeah, that *really* stacks up well at over $4,000 personal expenditure on my part.

    How *dare* you suggest that I, as part of the global “anyone” am “unwilling to say anything anti-Microsoft because [I] want to get invited next year”.

    You really do not get it.

  16. Also get a mail service that actually receives mail without bouncing good mail silently. Hotmail is a piece of shit, half of the time it will silently drop e-mail from custom domains. Google never does that, that’s why GMail is far better, it simply works; it also has more space but I think a bare minimum for a mail service is that it doesn’t drop e-mail especially silently. Hotmail is a piece of shit, to improve it, make it actually use one of the spam lists, and not some POS internal system that can’t be checked, updated, and maintained by the public.

  17. Also get a mail service that actually receives mail without bouncing good mail silently. Hotmail is a piece of shit, half of the time it will silently drop e-mail from custom domains. Google never does that, that’s why GMail is far better, it simply works; it also has more space but I think a bare minimum for a mail service is that it doesn’t drop e-mail especially silently. Hotmail is a piece of shit, to improve it, make it actually use one of the spam lists, and not some POS internal system that can’t be checked, updated, and maintained by the public.

  18. How MSFT can ‘win’ in a few easy steps.
    1) Stop renaming products randomly (Hotmail -> MSN Mail -> MSN Hotmail -> Windows Live Mail)
    2) Make embeded version of SQL Server 2005 and use it for products where the bits are kept with data for

  19. It has been more than a decade since the Internet exploded and Microsoft can’t seem to do anything right in this space. Obviously, it’s not just google; lots of other companies are constantly innovating. Microsoft has been much more successful in almost all the other key areas they have invested in. What gives at when it comes to the net?

  20. How MSFT can ‘win’ in a few easy steps.
    1) Stop renaming products randomly (Hotmail -> MSN Mail -> MSN Hotmail -> Windows Live Mail)
    2) Make embeded version of SQL Server 2005 and use it for products where the bits are kept with data for

  21. It has been more than a decade since the Internet exploded and Microsoft can’t seem to do anything right in this space. Obviously, it’s not just google; lots of other companies are constantly innovating. Microsoft has been much more successful in almost all the other key areas they have invested in. What gives at when it comes to the net?

  22. #213: The constant upgrades. The empty promises. The INEXCUSABLE 5 year semi-retirement of MSIE. The decision to stop supporting VB6.

    This is the trouble of a big company with too many products. They can decide to drop the support of an OS, or even a browser. Going forward, let’s not pump any bugs into the browser even if you decide not to support it. We reserve our right to send the Singing telegram on our theme song “We’re All In This Together”!

    #216: “Don’t Cry for Them, Mr Scoble” which you can sing to the melody of the chorus of Evita because I have a terrible singing voice.

    This will make an interesting show. PodTech is coming up with their Entertainment Division on http://www.nationalbanana.com. Robert can lead the singing part. It will draw a lot of advertisement and sponsorship. Possiblely it may lead to a nomination for a singing award, possible singing career.

  23. #213: The constant upgrades. The empty promises. The INEXCUSABLE 5 year semi-retirement of MSIE. The decision to stop supporting VB6.

    This is the trouble of a big company with too many products. They can decide to drop the support of an OS, or even a browser. Going forward, let’s not pump any bugs into the browser even if you decide not to support it. We reserve our right to send the Singing telegram on our theme song “We’re All In This Together”!

    #216: “Don’t Cry for Them, Mr Scoble” which you can sing to the melody of the chorus of Evita because I have a terrible singing voice.

    This will make an interesting show. PodTech is coming up with their Entertainment Division on http://www.nationalbanana.com. Robert can lead the singing part. It will draw a lot of advertisement and sponsorship. Possiblely it may lead to a nomination for a singing award, possible singing career.

  24. Jordan,

    Hey, man, thanks. Sometimes, ya know, da truth hits home and the words just appear. I’d never thunk I’d be compared to Jefferson and Beale, though. Thanks.

    Mr Scoble, can I put a title on my essay? I don’t know how in WordPress blog software. I want to call it:

    “Don’t Cry for Them, Mr Scoble” which you can sing to the melody of the chorus of Evita because I have a terrible singing voice.

    Zeke

  25. Jordan,

    Hey, man, thanks. Sometimes, ya know, da truth hits home and the words just appear. I’d never thunk I’d be compared to Jefferson and Beale, though. Thanks.

    Mr Scoble, can I put a title on my essay? I don’t know how in WordPress blog software. I want to call it:

    “Don’t Cry for Them, Mr Scoble” which you can sing to the melody of the chorus of Evita because I have a terrible singing voice.

    Zeke

  26. I really wasn’t going to comment. Honestly? I wasn’t going to read through 200+ comments either. But this thread was like watching a car crash in slow motion. So when I made it to comment #193…

    It was an MVP Summit meeting where I got hyped up about Longhorn (with prototypes that never shipped). That was a major mistake. That meeting was what caused the hype.

    Robert! Remember me? I was repeatedly critical of you back in 2004, even some of 2005. You told me that I needed to attend PDC ’03 because I would otherwise lose my job to somebody in India!

    That period of time (early 2004) was when I let my Microsoft certification lapse because I – while thankful for what it did to my career – simply wasn’t using it anymore. I had moved on to SAP. And on a personal note I bought my last Windows PC about a year before… and moved on to OS X.

    Back to the above quote. I could be an ass and laugh at how you’ve changed since you left MS. But no… I commend you for finally undertanding what I had been complaining about.

    The constant upgrades. The empty promises. The INEXCUSABLE 5 year semi-retirement of MSIE. The decision to stop supporting VB6.

    Hey, at least they finally put out a more secure OS. It throws a popup at you every 2 minutes, but it’s more secure.

  27. I really wasn’t going to comment. Honestly? I wasn’t going to read through 200+ comments either. But this thread was like watching a car crash in slow motion. So when I made it to comment #193…

    It was an MVP Summit meeting where I got hyped up about Longhorn (with prototypes that never shipped). That was a major mistake. That meeting was what caused the hype.

    Robert! Remember me? I was repeatedly critical of you back in 2004, even some of 2005. You told me that I needed to attend PDC ’03 because I would otherwise lose my job to somebody in India!

    That period of time (early 2004) was when I let my Microsoft certification lapse because I – while thankful for what it did to my career – simply wasn’t using it anymore. I had moved on to SAP. And on a personal note I bought my last Windows PC about a year before… and moved on to OS X.

    Back to the above quote. I could be an ass and laugh at how you’ve changed since you left MS. But no… I commend you for finally undertanding what I had been complaining about.

    The constant upgrades. The empty promises. The INEXCUSABLE 5 year semi-retirement of MSIE. The decision to stop supporting VB6.

    Hey, at least they finally put out a more secure OS. It throws a popup at you every 2 minutes, but it’s more secure.

  28. Zeke,

    *sniff* (weeps) Brilliant!

    A bit vitriolic but so were Thomas Jefferson and Howard Beale.

  29. Zeke,

    *sniff* (weeps) Brilliant!

    A bit vitriolic but so were Thomas Jefferson and Howard Beale.

  30. Don’t you get it, Mr. Scoble? MSFT is not a technology company. There is nothing to sigh about. It’s demise would be of almost no consequence besides dynamizing the PC software market.

    MSFT is a ruthless twisted law firm that got its hands on an operating system at an opportune moment in history and figured out how to murder the competition through customer intimidation and restrictive contracts and, finally and most importantly, how to tie up the boot loader and exclude all other OS developers. SEE:

    http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/

    You sound as if you actually expect MS to suddenly find religion about software engineering, product development and customer service late in midlife – or early in its maturity. Get real. You might as well expect a 60 year old drug addict to quit the junk and take up training for Olympic speed skating.

    It ain’t going to happen. The junkie will keep lying to himself and end up face down in a gutter in some remote industrial park, trying to make a connection that won’t show, finally drowning in his own vomit. MSFT in its Internet plays will keep trying to play market-manipulating angles, (restrictive tie-in deals that chain people closer to Windows) and making thinly veiled threats about intellectual property, chuckling to themselves all the while that they’ll ‘get’ everyone locked in again like they did the OS and then the Internet will be theirs to abuse for whatever amount of money they can imagine harvesting from it and the sorry suckers who depend on it.

    From the company’s perspective, the world is just a collection of fools and pushovers waiting to lied to or slapped into a corner and made to do what MSFT wants them to do. You worked there. You should know this as well as anyone. On the Internet, however, there’s no ‘boot loader’ equivalent to lock in customers and no way for them to create a critical dependency MSFT can use to abuse their customers into submission.

    Without any mechanism to enforce its will and placed at the mercy of the marketplace, MSFT is completely at sea, a ship of pariahs with no port to take them, sharks in the water, polar bears floating by on icebergs, gazing hungrily at easy prey aboard who can do nothing to protect themselves but throw bags of money overboard and set them alight, pretending to hold off attackers that will ultimately consume them.

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of guys.

    Zeke

    PS Tell MSFT to hire a veterinarian to give Ballmer a distemper shot. Kid’s a total psycho and embarrassment to MSFT.

  31. Don’t you get it, Mr. Scoble? MSFT is not a technology company. There is nothing to sigh about. It’s demise would be of almost no consequence besides dynamizing the PC software market.

    MSFT is a ruthless twisted law firm that got its hands on an operating system at an opportune moment in history and figured out how to murder the competition through customer intimidation and restrictive contracts and, finally and most importantly, how to tie up the boot loader and exclude all other OS developers. SEE:

    http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/

    You sound as if you actually expect MS to suddenly find religion about software engineering, product development and customer service late in midlife – or early in its maturity. Get real. You might as well expect a 60 year old drug addict to quit the junk and take up training for Olympic speed skating.

    It ain’t going to happen. The junkie will keep lying to himself and end up face down in a gutter in some remote industrial park, trying to make a connection that won’t show, finally drowning in his own vomit. MSFT in its Internet plays will keep trying to play market-manipulating angles, (restrictive tie-in deals that chain people closer to Windows) and making thinly veiled threats about intellectual property, chuckling to themselves all the while that they’ll ‘get’ everyone locked in again like they did the OS and then the Internet will be theirs to abuse for whatever amount of money they can imagine harvesting from it and the sorry suckers who depend on it.

    From the company’s perspective, the world is just a collection of fools and pushovers waiting to lied to or slapped into a corner and made to do what MSFT wants them to do. You worked there. You should know this as well as anyone. On the Internet, however, there’s no ‘boot loader’ equivalent to lock in customers and no way for them to create a critical dependency MSFT can use to abuse their customers into submission.

    Without any mechanism to enforce its will and placed at the mercy of the marketplace, MSFT is completely at sea, a ship of pariahs with no port to take them, sharks in the water, polar bears floating by on icebergs, gazing hungrily at easy prey aboard who can do nothing to protect themselves but throw bags of money overboard and set them alight, pretending to hold off attackers that will ultimately consume them.

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of guys.

    Zeke

    PS Tell MSFT to hire a veterinarian to give Ballmer a distemper shot. Kid’s a total psycho and embarrassment to MSFT.

  32. They don’t for hard core tax research.

    Where’s the googles on how to input tax info in Lacerte or CCH? Not there.

    Are there community places like Intuit’s Quicbooks community .. but that’s generic accounting and not the CPA industry.

    I said Robert that Accountants don’t follow blogs. And when we do research it’s on CCH tax research or asking folks on listserves.

    Google does not give good enough answers for my industry. It’s not targeted enough.

    The good stuff in my accounting world is behind a “gated community” and Google doesn’t touch that stuff.

    And the MVP leadership understands that blogs are just ONE influencer channel. Sean’s been web posting and interacting for many years.

    In my own SBS community we’re starting to become a gated commmunity.. and google again, doesn’t touch that.

    Google doesn’t search everything.

  33. They don’t for hard core tax research.

    Where’s the googles on how to input tax info in Lacerte or CCH? Not there.

    Are there community places like Intuit’s Quicbooks community .. but that’s generic accounting and not the CPA industry.

    I said Robert that Accountants don’t follow blogs. And when we do research it’s on CCH tax research or asking folks on listserves.

    Google does not give good enough answers for my industry. It’s not targeted enough.

    The good stuff in my accounting world is behind a “gated community” and Google doesn’t touch that stuff.

    And the MVP leadership understands that blogs are just ONE influencer channel. Sean’s been web posting and interacting for many years.

    In my own SBS community we’re starting to become a gated commmunity.. and google again, doesn’t touch that.

    Google doesn’t search everything.

  34. Susan: you’re trying to tell me that Accountants don’t use Google.com? Amazing that you believe that.

    It’s not that they are looking for blogs. They are looking for information on accounting. And blogs show up VERY high in Google because Google’s main algorithms are about LINKING!!!

    Google Groups messages don’t get linked to very often, which is why they rarely show up. But blogs get linked to all the time. Particularly ones that show how to do something. Or, give reviews of software.

    Which is why blogs are influential.

    Ever wonder why the MVP leadership is doing a blog? I don’t. They just took three years to see the data.

  35. Susan: you’re trying to tell me that Accountants don’t use Google.com? Amazing that you believe that.

    It’s not that they are looking for blogs. They are looking for information on accounting. And blogs show up VERY high in Google because Google’s main algorithms are about LINKING!!!

    Google Groups messages don’t get linked to very often, which is why they rarely show up. But blogs get linked to all the time. Particularly ones that show how to do something. Or, give reviews of software.

    Which is why blogs are influential.

    Ever wonder why the MVP leadership is doing a blog? I don’t. They just took three years to see the data.

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