Microsoft smacks down new Media Player too…

April 15, 2007 By

Oh, Microsoft didn’t let Adobe have all the NAB fun. Here’s Beet.TV with Microsoft’s Forest Key who announces a new media player strategy for Microsoft too (based around its WPF/E technology). Here’s Adobe’s announcements on Google News and here’s Microsoft’s news, also on Google News.

So, here’s why this is important:

1) Microsoft doesn’t want to lose more market share to the future YouTube’s.
2) Adobe has more distribution than WPF/E has so far (Flash is on nearly everything and is the technology behind most of today’s popular video sites). It’s hoping to use that distribution to sell a series of servers.
3) Adobe’s development tools are more cross-platform than Microsoft’s are and are hoping its new media player keeps the Microsoft side of the fence from looking very attractive (Apple today announced that it has sold 800,000 copies of Final Cut Pro — those media developers aren’t very likely to jump on Microsoft’s bandwagon).
4) Microsoft’s technology is flashier (no pun intended) but isn’t proven in the marketplace yet. Yeah, Microsoft has pulled out some big guns that are saying they are supporting its new technology.
5) Microsoft has a HUGE lead over Adobe in HDTV. That’s going to be where Microsoft will get a lot of traction and where Adobe is still chasing Microsoft’s tail. Will that lead matter, though? Not to ABC.com. It already has all of ABC’s TV shows online in a near-HDTV format and player (based on Move Networks) and doesn’t need either Adobe or Microsoft’s stuff. Same with Joost, which is getting to be very popular if my Twitter friends are a good judge of things. Same with Stage6.divx.com. No Adobe or Microsoft stuff in either of those. So, really both Microsoft and Adobe are losing marketshare to other HDTV distribution and display technologies.

What do you think? How does Adobe’s and Microsoft’s announcements change the marketplace?

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  • wreck

    Nothing will change. MS will get their own medicine. In essence, IE is bundled with almost every computer sold, so that is what people use.

    Flash is included as well, and that is what people will continue to use, develop for and keep using and developing for.

    MS is spreading itself too thin to be everything to everyone. When will they learn that they need to focus on core competencies, not being an Internet company.

    MS smacks me as the old guy who can learn very few new tricks, but thinks the ones he has cover all the bases.

    You know as well as I do, that once a technology gets entrenched like Flash, it’s almost impossible to unseat it.

    What worries me is that MS will include this technology in their OS and therefore bundle it, doing the same to Flash as they did to Netscape.

  • wreck

    Nothing will change. MS will get their own medicine. In essence, IE is bundled with almost every computer sold, so that is what people use.

    Flash is included as well, and that is what people will continue to use, develop for and keep using and developing for.

    MS is spreading itself too thin to be everything to everyone. When will they learn that they need to focus on core competencies, not being an Internet company.

    MS smacks me as the old guy who can learn very few new tricks, but thinks the ones he has cover all the bases.

    You know as well as I do, that once a technology gets entrenched like Flash, it’s almost impossible to unseat it.

    What worries me is that MS will include this technology in their OS and therefore bundle it, doing the same to Flash as they did to Netscape.

  • http://www.bynkii.com/ John C. Welch

    I’ll believe it when I don’t see non-MS platforms in the “Shitacular WM Experience” ghetto that Microsoft has worked so hard to put them in. When I can play full on WM11 video with DRM in Firefox on Linux or Mac OS X, and I can to it as a full shipping product for more than a single product cycle, I’ll believe it.

    Until then, it’s just more Microsoft WM bullshit.

  • http://www.bynkii.com/ John C. Welch

    I’ll believe it when I don’t see non-MS platforms in the “Shitacular WM Experience” ghetto that Microsoft has worked so hard to put them in. When I can play full on WM11 video with DRM in Firefox on Linux or Mac OS X, and I can to it as a full shipping product for more than a single product cycle, I’ll believe it.

    Until then, it’s just more Microsoft WM bullshit.

  • wreck

    John,

    Why sully your Linux experience with MS formats? :)

    The beauty of Linux, as you well know, is simple. All I have to do is work some apt-get magic and I can watch anything online in any format.

    WM sucks in any event. Anything worth watching/listening to is in other formats anyway.

  • wreck

    John,

    Why sully your Linux experience with MS formats? :)

    The beauty of Linux, as you well know, is simple. All I have to do is work some apt-get magic and I can watch anything online in any format.

    WM sucks in any event. Anything worth watching/listening to is in other formats anyway.

  • http://notaprguy.wordpress.com/ notaprguy

    Why does WMV suck? Really, I’d like to understand. If you start talking about DRM, that’s another matter. But is there really anything bad about the WMV codecs in terms of quality, performane etc? How does it compare to Flash Video?

    I like the name Silverlight. Much better than what MSFT usually comes up with.

  • http://notaprguy.wordpress.com/ notaprguy

    Why does WMV suck? Really, I’d like to understand. If you start talking about DRM, that’s another matter. But is there really anything bad about the WMV codecs in terms of quality, performane etc? How does it compare to Flash Video?

    I like the name Silverlight. Much better than what MSFT usually comes up with.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    notaprguy: WMV does NOT suck. I used it at MIcrosoft for all my videos and it was great. I use MPG4 now because it has better cross-platform support and because most of my video friends are using it (Apple’s FinalCutPro has sold 800,000 copies). The quality I get is much better now than I used to get on MovieMaker at the same bit rates, but that might just be because I’m using a better tool.

    Flash video generally is crappy compared to either WMV or MPG. But, nice thing about Flash is it is already on every machine so it just works. That’s why YouTube uses it. WIth other schemes you’ve gotta load some new software. Many people are unwilling/unable to do that.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    notaprguy: WMV does NOT suck. I used it at MIcrosoft for all my videos and it was great. I use MPG4 now because it has better cross-platform support and because most of my video friends are using it (Apple’s FinalCutPro has sold 800,000 copies). The quality I get is much better now than I used to get on MovieMaker at the same bit rates, but that might just be because I’m using a better tool.

    Flash video generally is crappy compared to either WMV or MPG. But, nice thing about Flash is it is already on every machine so it just works. That’s why YouTube uses it. WIth other schemes you’ve gotta load some new software. Many people are unwilling/unable to do that.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Wreck: go use your Linux. God I hate people like you.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Wreck: go use your Linux. God I hate people like you.

  • http://notaprguy.wordpress.com/ notaprguy

    Thanks Robert.

    To use an old cliche’, it’ll be a long row to hoe for Microsoft to get Silverlight out on hundreds of millions of PC’s but with their own Web properties (MS.com and MSN) they automatically have pretty nice distribution. Deals with other content providers will go a long way in getting it out there. It’ll be interesting to see if Microsoft does what they’re usually pretty good at – making the tools attractive enough to devs and content providers to get them to switch. The issue there is that they don’t offer Mac tools for designers…

  • http://notaprguy.wordpress.com/ notaprguy

    Thanks Robert.

    To use an old cliche’, it’ll be a long row to hoe for Microsoft to get Silverlight out on hundreds of millions of PC’s but with their own Web properties (MS.com and MSN) they automatically have pretty nice distribution. Deals with other content providers will go a long way in getting it out there. It’ll be interesting to see if Microsoft does what they’re usually pretty good at – making the tools attractive enough to devs and content providers to get them to switch. The issue there is that they don’t offer Mac tools for designers…

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  • http://blog.seanalexander.com/ Sean

    Actually Silverlight is not a new media player per se. It’s a browser plug-in for creating media-enabled apps for the Web and doesn’t include a destination app on your desktop. See the video over at http://www.on10.net if you’d like more details.
    Stay tuned for more at MIX07 :)

  • http://blog.seanalexander.com Sean

    Actually Silverlight is not a new media player per se. It’s a browser plug-in for creating media-enabled apps for the Web and doesn’t include a destination app on your desktop. See the video over at http://www.on10.net if you’d like more details.
    Stay tuned for more at MIX07 :)

  • Christopher Coulter

    Hrrmph, my ‘pressy people’ said the beta and news would all hit at MIX, geee I coulda spilled the beans…(but I don’t break promises). So I guess they needed to have something to talk about at NAB. It’s a distributional system, and the NAB be more content-creator types, so the news really won’t impact that much, not compared to Final Cut news.

    A new plug-in, wheeeee, just what the industry needs, the trend is going branded players, but if can wrap this in, all good, whatever works — the more ways to deliver content, the better.

  • Christopher Coulter

    Hrrmph, my ‘pressy people’ said the beta and news would all hit at MIX, geee I coulda spilled the beans…(but I don’t break promises). So I guess they needed to have something to talk about at NAB. It’s a distributional system, and the NAB be more content-creator types, so the news really won’t impact that much, not compared to Final Cut news.

    A new plug-in, wheeeee, just what the industry needs, the trend is going branded players, but if can wrap this in, all good, whatever works — the more ways to deliver content, the better.

  • Goebbels

    “But is there really anything bad about the WMV codecs in terms of quality, performane etc?”

    No, it’s fine (it’s just mpeg-4 with a different blocking algorithm), but it does have issues. Microsoft ripped off mpeg-4, and by standardizing it with SMPTE, they exposed the internals and had to basically hand ot over to mpegla for licensing (VC-1). Despite not owning 98% of the technology and despite their own need to license VC-1, they license their own proprietary implementation of VC-1 at lower rates than mpegla’s VC-1 rates presenting an interesting scenario (Microsoft is paying people to use their format) and/or anyone using WMV is massively exposed to patent disputes.

    Strangely (Microsoft who created such a huff about indemnification of Linux because of the SCOX trial), Microsoft only indemnifies WMV licenses on their own patents and up to the price someone already paid for the license.

    So… it’s a fine codec, but it has MAJOR issues. If you want to use the codec, use VC-1 instead.

  • Goebbels

    “But is there really anything bad about the WMV codecs in terms of quality, performane etc?”

    No, it’s fine (it’s just mpeg-4 with a different blocking algorithm), but it does have issues. Microsoft ripped off mpeg-4, and by standardizing it with SMPTE, they exposed the internals and had to basically hand ot over to mpegla for licensing (VC-1). Despite not owning 98% of the technology and despite their own need to license VC-1, they license their own proprietary implementation of VC-1 at lower rates than mpegla’s VC-1 rates presenting an interesting scenario (Microsoft is paying people to use their format) and/or anyone using WMV is massively exposed to patent disputes.

    Strangely (Microsoft who created such a huff about indemnification of Linux because of the SCOX trial), Microsoft only indemnifies WMV licenses on their own patents and up to the price someone already paid for the license.

    So… it’s a fine codec, but it has MAJOR issues. If you want to use the codec, use VC-1 instead.

  • http://www.sriramkrishnan.com/blog Sriram Krishnan

    Robert – Silverlight is waaaay more than just a media player. You might want to watch the Mix keynote :-)

  • http://www.sriramkrishnan.com/blog Sriram Krishnan

    Robert – Silverlight is waaaay more than just a media player. You might want to watch the Mix keynote :-)

  • http://www.sriramkrishnan.com/blog Sriram Krishnan

    Btw, I just saw that your blog is linked from the ‘Silverlight Community’ page as an ‘industry blogger’. :-)

    http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/asp.net/bb187454.aspx

  • http://www.sriramkrishnan.com/blog Sriram Krishnan

    Btw, I just saw that your blog is linked from the ‘Silverlight Community’ page as an ‘industry blogger’. :-)

    http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/asp.net/bb187454.aspx

  • Christopher Coulter

    So… it’s a fine codec, but it has MAJOR issues.

    Oh boy, ain’t that the truth. I mean…WMV, WMV2, WMV3, MSS2, WMVA, WVC1, WMVP, WVP2, and then WMV HD…egads. Hack up MPEG4, replace with SMPTE, create legal chaos, welcome to Microsoft.

  • Christopher Coulter

    So… it’s a fine codec, but it has MAJOR issues.

    Oh boy, ain’t that the truth. I mean…WMV, WMV2, WMV3, MSS2, WMVA, WVC1, WMVP, WVP2, and then WMV HD…egads. Hack up MPEG4, replace with SMPTE, create legal chaos, welcome to Microsoft.

  • http://blog.yuvisense.net Yuvi Panda

    Media player? [Insert Big Laugh here]

    Dude, you need to MIX with more devs more often!

  • http://blog.yuvisense.net Yuvi

    Media player? [Insert Big Laugh here]

    Dude, you need to MIX with more devs more often!

  • http://xlsgen.arstdesign.com/ Stephane Rodriguez

    Scoble said “Adobe’s development tools are more cross-platform than Microsoft’s”

    Not accurate. Macromedia (now Adobe) solved this cross-platform problem ten years ago. Without them, YouTube would not exist. Microsoft is coming up in 2007 with a pseudo-solution to a problem that was solved ten years ago. Talk about innovators…

    And of course, everyone old enough knows that Microsoft is using this stuff to recruit users to the Windows platform. That’s the only thing that matters. So either Microsoft will release someday a runtime that works better, faster or better optimized for Windows (such as the Java virtual machine that they used to destroy Sun, something now called .NET) : an example of that is to rely on DirectX to render complex stuff with Windows doing it with hardware and Mac doing it with software only. Either that or customers will be simply locked it, the typical Internet Explorer-only thing.

    Same old story again and again.

    Unfortunately for Microsoft, the world has changed.

  • http://xlsgen.arstdesign.com Stephane Rodriguez

    Scoble said “Adobe’s development tools are more cross-platform than Microsoft’s”

    Not accurate. Macromedia (now Adobe) solved this cross-platform problem ten years ago. Without them, YouTube would not exist. Microsoft is coming up in 2007 with a pseudo-solution to a problem that was solved ten years ago. Talk about innovators…

    And of course, everyone old enough knows that Microsoft is using this stuff to recruit users to the Windows platform. That’s the only thing that matters. So either Microsoft will release someday a runtime that works better, faster or better optimized for Windows (such as the Java virtual machine that they used to destroy Sun, something now called .NET) : an example of that is to rely on DirectX to render complex stuff with Windows doing it with hardware and Mac doing it with software only. Either that or customers will be simply locked it, the typical Internet Explorer-only thing.

    Same old story again and again.

    Unfortunately for Microsoft, the world has changed.

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  • Steve Elbows

    Ive been mucking around with pre-release WPF/E for a while now. It is quite interesting, it could certainly breath fresh life into WMV on the Mac for example. And because its XML-based, it could be a easier to have WPF/E stuff generated by server-side scripts, than binary swf.

    When it comes to video, it is to wmv what a decent swf player is to flv videos, a potentially very flexible wrapper. So far there havent been mamny tools that aid the creation of WPF/E stuff, so that needs to improve dramatically to compete with Adobe (I would guess the Expression range is the natural place for Microsoft to start with that).

    WPF/E has been overshadowed of confused by WPF so lets see if that improves with the new name.

    I think I will stick to flash until its clear what the install base of WPF/E browser plugin turns out to be, whether it catches on. I also think it would be far more likely to suceed if they supported .mp4 video as well as wmv. This may be unlikely as it would increase the size of the plugin, and traditionally M$ want to support only their own format, but theyve just announced mpeg4 & h264 support for the xbox360 so you never know.

    Mobile is the other area Microsoft could struggle against Flash. Adobe are inally going to be including flv support in Flash Lite 3.0, wheras I cant see too many mobile manufacturers being keen on including microsofts stuff.

  • Steve Elbows

    Ive been mucking around with pre-release WPF/E for a while now. It is quite interesting, it could certainly breath fresh life into WMV on the Mac for example. And because its XML-based, it could be a easier to have WPF/E stuff generated by server-side scripts, than binary swf.

    When it comes to video, it is to wmv what a decent swf player is to flv videos, a potentially very flexible wrapper. So far there havent been mamny tools that aid the creation of WPF/E stuff, so that needs to improve dramatically to compete with Adobe (I would guess the Expression range is the natural place for Microsoft to start with that).

    WPF/E has been overshadowed of confused by WPF so lets see if that improves with the new name.

    I think I will stick to flash until its clear what the install base of WPF/E browser plugin turns out to be, whether it catches on. I also think it would be far more likely to suceed if they supported .mp4 video as well as wmv. This may be unlikely as it would increase the size of the plugin, and traditionally M$ want to support only their own format, but theyve just announced mpeg4 & h264 support for the xbox360 so you never know.

    Mobile is the other area Microsoft could struggle against Flash. Adobe are inally going to be including flv support in Flash Lite 3.0, wheras I cant see too many mobile manufacturers being keen on including microsofts stuff.

  • http://www.bynkii.com/ John C. Welch

    Why sully your Linux experience with MS formats?

    The beauty of Linux, as you well know, is simple. All I have to do is work some apt-get magic and I can watch anything online in any format.

    WM sucks in any event. Anything worth watching/listening to is in other formats anyway.

    Because wreck, in the real world, you have to deal with WM quite a lot, and it’s not optional. There’s quite a lot of stuff I have to do that’s business related in windows.

    It’s not “sullying”, it’s “getting work done”. Try to not let your religion get in the way of reality.

    Why does WMV suck? Really, I’d like to understand. If you start talking about DRM, that’s another matter. But is there really anything bad about the WMV codecs in terms of quality, performane etc? How does it compare to Flash Video?M

    If your entire world is WIndows, WM doesn’t suck at all. As soon as you try to move into other platform? Sucks like a Dyson in a black hole.

    When it comes to video, it is to wmv what a decent swf player is to flv videos, a potentially very flexible wrapper. So far there havent been mamny tools that aid the creation of WPF/E stuff, so that needs to improve dramatically to compete with Adobe (I would guess the Expression range is the natural place for Microsoft to start with that).

    On Windows, sure. On anything else? Well there’s Vi, Emacs….

    I will say I’m impressed with the name. How many Bothans died to get something that decent through Microsoft’s Branding Swamp of Eternal Stench.

  • http://www.bynkii.com/ John C. Welch

    Why sully your Linux experience with MS formats?

    The beauty of Linux, as you well know, is simple. All I have to do is work some apt-get magic and I can watch anything online in any format.

    WM sucks in any event. Anything worth watching/listening to is in other formats anyway.

    Because wreck, in the real world, you have to deal with WM quite a lot, and it’s not optional. There’s quite a lot of stuff I have to do that’s business related in windows.

    It’s not “sullying”, it’s “getting work done”. Try to not let your religion get in the way of reality.

    Why does WMV suck? Really, I’d like to understand. If you start talking about DRM, that’s another matter. But is there really anything bad about the WMV codecs in terms of quality, performane etc? How does it compare to Flash Video?M

    If your entire world is WIndows, WM doesn’t suck at all. As soon as you try to move into other platform? Sucks like a Dyson in a black hole.

    When it comes to video, it is to wmv what a decent swf player is to flv videos, a potentially very flexible wrapper. So far there havent been mamny tools that aid the creation of WPF/E stuff, so that needs to improve dramatically to compete with Adobe (I would guess the Expression range is the natural place for Microsoft to start with that).

    On Windows, sure. On anything else? Well there’s Vi, Emacs….

    I will say I’m impressed with the name. How many Bothans died to get something that decent through Microsoft’s Branding Swamp of Eternal Stench.

  • http://www.bynkii.com/ John C. Welch

    However, while Silverlight itself is crossplatform, it’s media experience? Not so much:

    Does Silverlight support MPEG4 and H.264 video, or Advanced Audio Coding (AAC) audio, or Flash video?

    No. However, content from many of these formats can be transcoded into formats that are supported by Silverlight, such as by an automated server function (many available third-party solutions support this workflow), and then incorporated into a Silverlight-based application.

    Transcoding HD H.264 on the fly. Yeah. That’s a great solution.

    I suppose I should be grateful that MP3 made it in:

    What audio or video formats are supported in Silverlight?

    Silverlight supports Windows Media Audio and Video (WMA, WMV7–9) and VC-1, as well as MP3 audio. Additional formats may be available by the final release based on customer feedback.

    So it’s an improvement for WM cross platform, but it’s still behind Flash in both client and dev. platform support.

  • http://www.bynkii.com/ John C. Welch

    However, while Silverlight itself is crossplatform, it’s media experience? Not so much:

    Does Silverlight support MPEG4 and H.264 video, or Advanced Audio Coding (AAC) audio, or Flash video?

    No. However, content from many of these formats can be transcoded into formats that are supported by Silverlight, such as by an automated server function (many available third-party solutions support this workflow), and then incorporated into a Silverlight-based application.

    Transcoding HD H.264 on the fly. Yeah. That’s a great solution.

    I suppose I should be grateful that MP3 made it in:

    What audio or video formats are supported in Silverlight?

    Silverlight supports Windows Media Audio and Video (WMA, WMV7–9) and VC-1, as well as MP3 audio. Additional formats may be available by the final release based on customer feedback.

    So it’s an improvement for WM cross platform, but it’s still behind Flash in both client and dev. platform support.

  • http://teethgrinder.co.uk/blog/web-2.0-and-life-2.0/ monk.e.boy

    Does it matter what web sites offer? If it has got content I want then I’ll have to download whatever crappy install they offer, and sure enough it will fuck up my PC until I am done and have to uninstall it. I hate Quick Time, but I need it because people think it is cool and post videos in it. How I hate them and their evil ways.

    The only think flash has got going for it is that it works.

    Eventually I’ll have every download from every site and all of them will crash each other and install spyware and I’ll never know which has done what and I’ll still hate them all.

    I wish W3C would wake up and sort out my problems. The sooner they spec something that the Firefox people can understand the sooner I can unspyware my ‘puter.

    monk.e.boy

  • http://teethgrinder.co.uk/blog/web-2.0-and-life-2.0/ monk.e.boy

    Does it matter what web sites offer? If it has got content I want then I’ll have to download whatever crappy install they offer, and sure enough it will fuck up my PC until I am done and have to uninstall it. I hate Quick Time, but I need it because people think it is cool and post videos in it. How I hate them and their evil ways.

    The only think flash has got going for it is that it works.

    Eventually I’ll have every download from every site and all of them will crash each other and install spyware and I’ll never know which has done what and I’ll still hate them all.

    I wish W3C would wake up and sort out my problems. The sooner they spec something that the Firefox people can understand the sooner I can unspyware my ‘puter.

    monk.e.boy

  • Christopher Coulter

    “Since Silverlight is a lightweight cross-platform technology, it only carries the most common codecs that are needed for Web playback.” Which are: WMA, WMV7–9 and (whew) MP3. “Lightweight” is right.

    Basically a WMV wrapper, complete with PlayReady content access technology…expect lots of blather about “ecosystems”, and the cross-platform play up, when it really doesn’t add up to much more than a VC-1 plug-in.

    Wheee, this is gonna be fun, workflow happy transcoding nightmares, “content from many of these formats can be transcoded into formats that are supported by Silverlight”

    The Tarari Hardware-assisted Encoder Accelerator is also WMV & VC-1 only…

    And I think the naming is quite odd, given “silverlight’s” nomage in things Magick, Neopagan, polytheistic Celtic, Wicca and Witchy…fitting I guess, a VC-1 Coven. Blessed Be! May the Moons find you willing…

  • Christopher Coulter

    “Since Silverlight is a lightweight cross-platform technology, it only carries the most common codecs that are needed for Web playback.” Which are: WMA, WMV7–9 and (whew) MP3. “Lightweight” is right.

    Basically a WMV wrapper, complete with PlayReady content access technology…expect lots of blather about “ecosystems”, and the cross-platform play up, when it really doesn’t add up to much more than a VC-1 plug-in.

    Wheee, this is gonna be fun, workflow happy transcoding nightmares, “content from many of these formats can be transcoded into formats that are supported by Silverlight”

    The Tarari Hardware-assisted Encoder Accelerator is also WMV & VC-1 only…

    And I think the naming is quite odd, given “silverlight’s” nomage in things Magick, Neopagan, polytheistic Celtic, Wicca and Witchy…fitting I guess, a VC-1 Coven. Blessed Be! May the Moons find you willing…

  • http://www.bynkii.com/ John C. Welch

    Okay, pulling in neopagan and Wicca to make a silverlight point?

    Christopher Coulter won at the intarweb today.

  • http://www.bynkii.com/ John C. Welch

    Okay, pulling in neopagan and Wicca to make a silverlight point?

    Christopher Coulter won at the intarweb today.

  • LayZ

    @1 “You know as well as I do, that once a technology gets entrenched like Flash, it’s almost impossible to unseat it.”

    Weren’t you the same one making the point the it didn’t matter that Windows was entrenched in businesses and the Linux could easily replace it?

  • LayZ

    @1 “You know as well as I do, that once a technology gets entrenched like Flash, it’s almost impossible to unseat it.”

    Weren’t you the same one making the point the it didn’t matter that Windows was entrenched in businesses and the Linux could easily replace it?

  • http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd John Dowdell

    “The only [thing] flash has got going for it is that it works.”

    heh, cute line. ;-)

    jd/adobe

  • http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd John Dowdell

    “The only [thing] flash has got going for it is that it works.”

    heh, cute line. ;-)

    jd/adobe

  • rslux

    I must be the only geek on the planet that does not like using their computer for watching videos longer than five minutes. I have a perfectly nice couch and TV that offer a much more pleasant viewing experience, without all the software and DRM hassles.

  • rslux

    I must be the only geek on the planet that does not like using their computer for watching videos longer than five minutes. I have a perfectly nice couch and TV that offer a much more pleasant viewing experience, without all the software and DRM hassles.

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