The Wii isn’t hurting Xbox? Really?

A Wii showed up at PodTech recently and it flipped me around.

I used to be one of those guys who thought that Xbox or Sony’s Playstation 3 would take over the market due to the much better HD graphics.  But after playing a while on the Wii I get why people think it’s so cool: casual gaming and game play.

I can’t really explain it, but after 10 seconds you forget that the graphics aren’t as good looking as on the Xbox. Who really cares when you’re playing all sorts of games that are somewhere between Zuma and Geometry Wars anyway?

This why I think Robbie Bach is full of it when he disrespected the Wii. This is the kind of stuff that Microsofties are taught to say after they are getting their butts handed to them in the marketplace. I remember Microsoft execs saying similar things about the iPod and iTunes two to three years ago.

Hey, I’m a total Xbox freak. But the Wii has me. I wish Microsoft did more innovation on the controller side of the house too, but that’s not all of why the Wii is getting so much hype (it’s still hard to find one).

I’ve been reading a bunch of blogs about Halo 3 and most of the bloggers aren’t giving it rave reviews. Here’s Blake Snow’s review over on GigaOm.

If I were Robbie I’d worry a little more about controller innovation, gameplay, and coming out with a few more killer games that keeps our attention on the Xbox system.

Another thing? Since I don’t get a lot of exercise I’m looking for some games that’ll encourage me (and my son) to get moving a bit and off of the couch. At least Wii gets you worked up playing tennis and other active games. That’s VERY appealing to not just me but most families I know with kids who tend to spend too much time looking at game screens.

92 thoughts on “The Wii isn’t hurting Xbox? Really?

  1. Halo 3 isn’t on the Wii because Microsoft owns Bungie and won’t let it happen.

    (anyone remember when Microsoft bought Bungie and used Halo as the “killer app” launch title for the XBox… AFTER Bungie demonstrated Halo as a game it was developing specifically for the Mac?)

  2. Halo 3 isn’t on the Wii because Microsoft owns Bungie and won’t let it happen.

    (anyone remember when Microsoft bought Bungie and used Halo as the “killer app” launch title for the XBox… AFTER Bungie demonstrated Halo as a game it was developing specifically for the Mac?)

  3. why isn’t halo3 on the wii just because the graphics are a little bad dosen’t mean halo3 can’t be on the wii.

  4. The genius of wii is that it probably sold to families whose wage earner(s) saw 1-3 game consoles already kicking around the living room and yet could be convinced that wii was something completely different and vital to the survival of the family.

    There was also a rumor that not getting a wii last year would make Baby Jesus cry.

    Can you tell that I’m not a gamer?

  5. The genius of wii is that it probably sold to families whose wage earner(s) saw 1-3 game consoles already kicking around the living room and yet could be convinced that wii was something completely different and vital to the survival of the family.

    There was also a rumor that not getting a wii last year would make Baby Jesus cry.

    Can you tell that I’m not a gamer?

  6. Well, the WII controller works GREAT on EA’s Tiger Woods Golf.

    The other great thing about the WII? I can now play Tecmo Bowl again!!! And Mario Bro’s. Awesome!!!

    The other great thing about the WII is that the spouse now plays video games with the kids. Never did that with the XBOX360.

  7. Well, the WII controller works GREAT on EA’s Tiger Woods Golf.

    The other great thing about the WII? I can now play Tecmo Bowl again!!! And Mario Bro’s. Awesome!!!

    The other great thing about the WII is that the spouse now plays video games with the kids. Never did that with the XBOX360.

  8. So, am I not considered a “hardcore gamer” because I don’t want to yuk it up over a headset while playing yet another capture-the-flag sequel against gamers in another time zone? Or because I don’t want to choose whether to launch a special attack or a healing spell? Or because I don’t need gritty, muddy, bloody graphics to catch my interest?

    Sorry, but I’ve sat on my butt pushing buttons for over two decades. I’m very happy to finally be doing something different for once.

  9. So, am I not considered a “hardcore gamer” because I don’t want to yuk it up over a headset while playing yet another capture-the-flag sequel against gamers in another time zone? Or because I don’t want to choose whether to launch a special attack or a healing spell? Or because I don’t need gritty, muddy, bloody graphics to catch my interest?

    Sorry, but I’ve sat on my butt pushing buttons for over two decades. I’m very happy to finally be doing something different for once.

  10. I got my girlfriend a wii for christmas. She loves it. We use it to browse the net while watching TV and playing 10 minute games between shows. I mean, who has a 5 hour stretch of free time to play Gears (or Oblivion?) Not me. Too busy. But I got 30 minutes to play bowling :-)

    Wii rocks.

    monk.e.boy

  11. I got my girlfriend a wii for christmas. She loves it. We use it to browse the net while watching TV and playing 10 minute games between shows. I mean, who has a 5 hour stretch of free time to play Gears (or Oblivion?) Not me. Too busy. But I got 30 minutes to play bowling :-)

    Wii rocks.

    monk.e.boy

  12. “Xbox division is still bleeding red ink like no tomorrow.”

    You might want to look into that statement again, well… unless “no tomorrow” doesn’t count the next 2 years.

  13. “Xbox division is still bleeding red ink like no tomorrow.”

    You might want to look into that statement again, well… unless “no tomorrow” doesn’t count the next 2 years.

  14. I own both a 360 and a Wii. If I had to choose between the 2, I’d toss my Wii in the ocean in a second. It’s a great concept, but the lack of games and weak graphics just make in unappealing when I have Guitar Hero 2. The Wii only gets played by my kids for about 2 hours a week. The 360 gets 2 hours a day. And I buy way more 360 games and accessories. If the Wii was all I had to game on, I’d seriously consider quitting gaming and take up golf. I think Nintendo is selling boatloads of consoles, but I’m very curious on how many games they are selling. Long live the 360.

  15. I own both a 360 and a Wii. If I had to choose between the 2, I’d toss my Wii in the ocean in a second. It’s a great concept, but the lack of games and weak graphics just make in unappealing when I have Guitar Hero 2. The Wii only gets played by my kids for about 2 hours a week. The 360 gets 2 hours a day. And I buy way more 360 games and accessories. If the Wii was all I had to game on, I’d seriously consider quitting gaming and take up golf. I think Nintendo is selling boatloads of consoles, but I’m very curious on how many games they are selling. Long live the 360.

  16. At the moment, I own a 360 and a wii. I own 2 Wii games, Wii Sports and Zelda, but when I put in zelda, it was kind of painful to play with composite video on a bigscreen, so I didn’t play it long.

    I’ve since ordered component cables, but haven’t even plugged them in – my gaming time lately has been evenly split between the 360 and GameTap.

    I enjoy the Wii, but the wii-mote seems to be a one-trick pony. I really think we’ll have to see how things are doing this time next year.

    As for the PS3? I’ll probably buy one when they drop to

  17. At the moment, I own a 360 and a wii. I own 2 Wii games, Wii Sports and Zelda, but when I put in zelda, it was kind of painful to play with composite video on a bigscreen, so I didn’t play it long.

    I’ve since ordered component cables, but haven’t even plugged them in – my gaming time lately has been evenly split between the 360 and GameTap.

    I enjoy the Wii, but the wii-mote seems to be a one-trick pony. I really think we’ll have to see how things are doing this time next year.

    As for the PS3? I’ll probably buy one when they drop to

  18. Andrew, that chart isn’t particularly useful because it can’t account for supply problems. Xbox 360 had major problems getting enough units on the ground at launch. The Wii also has a supply problem, but they’re able to pump out a lot more units than the MS was.

    In order to make the kind of comparisons we want to make the numbers would have to be limited by demand, NOT supply.

  19. Andrew, that chart isn’t particularly useful because it can’t account for supply problems. Xbox 360 had major problems getting enough units on the ground at launch. The Wii also has a supply problem, but they’re able to pump out a lot more units than the MS was.

    In order to make the kind of comparisons we want to make the numbers would have to be limited by demand, NOT supply.

  20. I haven’t played my wii for 2 months. Play with the thing for 2 weeks and you’ll realize that the controller isn’t as precise as it seems and it’s more like a gimmick.. And where are the games? Who cares about Cooking mama? At least on the 360 there’s good games every month…

  21. I haven’t played my wii for 2 months. Play with the thing for 2 weeks and you’ll realize that the controller isn’t as precise as it seems and it’s more like a gimmick.. And where are the games? Who cares about Cooking mama? At least on the 360 there’s good games every month…

  22. Yea, what Sony & MS didn’t realize was the changing marketplace has essentially split it into the hardcore gamers (around 20-30 million in the US) and other 80-90 million casual gamers who are satisfied to play online, socially or buy a Wii because they can start playing in 10 minutes and not have to spend 20 hours just learning basic moves and be ready to play.

    http://2aday.wordpress.com/2007/05/07/the-real-business-lessons-not-learned-sony-nintendo-microsoft/

  23. Yea, what Sony & MS didn’t realize was the changing marketplace has essentially split it into the hardcore gamers (around 20-30 million in the US) and other 80-90 million casual gamers who are satisfied to play online, socially or buy a Wii because they can start playing in 10 minutes and not have to spend 20 hours just learning basic moves and be ready to play.

    http://2aday.wordpress.com/2007/05/07/the-real-business-lessons-not-learned-sony-nintendo-microsoft/

  24. everyone bashing the wii for a lack of games needs to include the PS3, because it has the same problem.

    As far as I know, so did the 360 for the first few months of release.

    The reason the 360 is kicking arse in game sales is because it’s been out for 18 months and the other two have been out for barely 6. Wait another 6-12 months and then we’ll talk about games.
    http://kotaku.com/gaming/nintendo/charticle-the-first-four-months-249629.php

    Glad to see you enjoy the wii, Robert. Does this mean you’ll be picking one up for home? ;)

  25. everyone bashing the wii for a lack of games needs to include the PS3, because it has the same problem.

    As far as I know, so did the 360 for the first few months of release.

    The reason the 360 is kicking arse in game sales is because it’s been out for 18 months and the other two have been out for barely 6. Wait another 6-12 months and then we’ll talk about games.
    http://kotaku.com/gaming/nintendo/charticle-the-first-four-months-249629.php

    Glad to see you enjoy the wii, Robert. Does this mean you’ll be picking one up for home? ;)

  26. if i want to play the equivalent of zuma… i dont want to get sweaty doing it. those games are all but FREE online already. Why would I buy a $250 gamecube (or sorry, they are calling it a wii now) for the difference?

  27. if i want to play the equivalent of zuma… i dont want to get sweaty doing it. those games are all but FREE online already. Why would I buy a $250 gamecube (or sorry, they are calling it a wii now) for the difference?

  28. “Zelda and Mario Galaxy will have no problem selling 10 mil. But more importantly, the Wii was released last year and is backordered till about next year.
    Oh yeah, and Nintendo’s profits from the Wii and the DS are better than ever.
    Xbox division is still bleeding red ink like no tomorrow.”

    Oh I don’t doubt that, but it’s silly to imply the 360 is getting it’s lunch eaten when it has a much higher software attach rate and has about a dozen million sellers already.

    There’s nothing wrong with the Wii, but it competes in a completely different market segment from the 360 and the PS3. Huge difference between casual gamers and hardcore gamers.

  29. “Zelda and Mario Galaxy will have no problem selling 10 mil. But more importantly, the Wii was released last year and is backordered till about next year.
    Oh yeah, and Nintendo’s profits from the Wii and the DS are better than ever.
    Xbox division is still bleeding red ink like no tomorrow.”

    Oh I don’t doubt that, but it’s silly to imply the 360 is getting it’s lunch eaten when it has a much higher software attach rate and has about a dozen million sellers already.

    There’s nothing wrong with the Wii, but it competes in a completely different market segment from the 360 and the PS3. Huge difference between casual gamers and hardcore gamers.

  30. Mujibur, the PS2 continues to sell well because it’s a great system with a humongous library of games and most importantly, is about 4 times cheaper than the next gen consoles. So it’s not rocket science.

    It’s not an entirely bad problem for Sony to have, but I assure they would rather have their PS3 selling well instead. Right now the PS3 is a flop (even in Japan!) until we get better games.

  31. Well, duh. Took yah long enough, tho to your credit you did come around. Wii only showing up now? Geesh, had mine from Costco like eons ago. :) Stood in line 3 times, and missed, opening day, so had to pick up later. Repeat value sticks around.

    But with MOH:Airborne, COD4, Halo 3, Brothers in Arms: Hells Highway…the 360 is still in the game. PS3 is overpriced and underrepresented, that said, still think it’s a great unit.

    As far as “consistently profitable business”, they threw that out the window from the get-go. But since I am no longer a stakeholder, who cares. If Microsoft wants to take a bath, so be it. And if they ever get XBMC for 360, that will be the day, sales will double overnight.

  32. Mujibur, the PS2 continues to sell well because it’s a great system with a humongous library of games and most importantly, is about 4 times cheaper than the next gen consoles. So it’s not rocket science.

    It’s not an entirely bad problem for Sony to have, but I assure they would rather have their PS3 selling well instead. Right now the PS3 is a flop (even in Japan!) until we get better games.

  33. Well, duh. Took yah long enough, tho to your credit you did come around. Wii only showing up now? Geesh, had mine from Costco like eons ago. :) Stood in line 3 times, and missed, opening day, so had to pick up later. Repeat value sticks around.

    But with MOH:Airborne, COD4, Halo 3, Brothers in Arms: Hells Highway…the 360 is still in the game. PS3 is overpriced and underrepresented, that said, still think it’s a great unit.

    As far as “consistently profitable business”, they threw that out the window from the get-go. But since I am no longer a stakeholder, who cares. If Microsoft wants to take a bath, so be it. And if they ever get XBMC for 360, that will be the day, sales will double overnight.

  34. Umm, you do realise that Halo 3 has just broken 4 million pre-orders right?

    If you can name me a Wii game that puts up numbers like that, I’ll shut up.

    Zelda and Mario Galaxy will have no problem selling 10 mil. But more importantly, the Wii was released last year and is backordered till about next year.
    Oh yeah, and Nintendo’s profits from the Wii and the DS are better than ever.
    Xbox division is still bleeding red ink like no tomorrow.

  35. Umm, you do realise that Halo 3 has just broken 4 million pre-orders right?

    If you can name me a Wii game that puts up numbers like that, I’ll shut up.

    Zelda and Mario Galaxy will have no problem selling 10 mil. But more importantly, the Wii was released last year and is backordered till about next year.
    Oh yeah, and Nintendo’s profits from the Wii and the DS are better than ever.
    Xbox division is still bleeding red ink like no tomorrow.

  36. And another business note – Sony probably could have waited to launch PS3.

    PS2 continues to do great – they could have launched this fall at a lower price with more games and HOME as their online play.

    Too bad… they didn’t have enough confidence in the PS2.

  37. And another business note – Sony probably could have waited to launch PS3.

    PS2 continues to do great – they could have launched this fall at a lower price with more games and HOME as their online play.

    Too bad… they didn’t have enough confidence in the PS2.

  38. Most of my friends wanted to buy either xbox or playstation but they all now got wii, including me.

  39. Most of my friends wanted to buy either xbox or playstation but they all now got wii, including me.

  40. This is an interesting tidbit the Xbox folks always fail to mention: the 360 is not only getting it’s butt handed to it by the Wii, it’s not even outselling the PS2 on a monthly basis!

    That is a sure sign that the 360 is not going to achieve the market share it needs to be truly dominant. Microsoft might achieve a profitable quarter or two when Halo is released but there is no evidence that this is going to be a consistently profitable business for them.

    …the scary thing for the Xbox team is that from what I hear, Ballmer is getting sick of the Entertainment Division being a money sink. The Xbox team is under tremendous pressure to get costs down and profit up. Unfortunantely, it doesn’t look like there is going to be any sustainable way to achieve that.

  41. This is an interesting tidbit the Xbox folks always fail to mention: the 360 is not only getting it’s butt handed to it by the Wii, it’s not even outselling the PS2 on a monthly basis!

    That is a sure sign that the 360 is not going to achieve the market share it needs to be truly dominant. Microsoft might achieve a profitable quarter or two when Halo is released but there is no evidence that this is going to be a consistently profitable business for them.

    …the scary thing for the Xbox team is that from what I hear, Ballmer is getting sick of the Entertainment Division being a money sink. The Xbox team is under tremendous pressure to get costs down and profit up. Unfortunantely, it doesn’t look like there is going to be any sustainable way to achieve that.

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