No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

Apple today announced third-party apps for the iPhone. Sounds a LOT like Adobe’s new AIR. Delivers HTML and JavaScript apps down to the phone via Safari. What’s interesting is what Steve Jobs left out.

No Java. So, can’t run Kyte.tv’s application. Can’t run the Google Maps application I’m using on my Nokia. Can’t run something cool coming soon from eBay that I’m testing out. Can’t run Radar.net. Etc. Etc.

No .NET apps. Er, no Silverlight apps. So, your favorite app from the Windows Mobile Smartphone you were hoping to give away won’t work.

Will it allow Flash to load? Walt Mossberg just got an iPhone. I wonder what happens when he goes to Google’s Finance site? Does the chart show up? I doubt it.

By the way the folks who sent me the Nokia N95, Pure Mobile, say they’ll have unlocked iPhones for sale via the Internet (that’s counter to what we were told before). They doubt they’ll be able to meet the demand. They say they’ve seen demand for this phone that’s off the scale for any other mobile product launch they’ve been involved in.

UPDATE: here’s a video of Steve Jobs on stage today talking about iPhone and what developers can do for it. He keeps pointing out that it has the full Safari engine. That gives us hope that Flash will run fine on it, but probably not “native, non-browser” technologies like Java and Silverlight. It’d be nice to have someone who actually has an iPhone to verify this, though.

153 thoughts on “No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

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  3. “Isn’t the iPhone supposed to change the closed end cellular phone business model…”

    Matt, Are you kidding me? Don’t you know who Steve Jobs is? The guy is a metaphor of greed and total lack of consideration for others. His only interest is to keep making more money and enjoying the applauses of the lobotomized devotees, for whom he has no respect, that gather at his keynotes!

    His only ambition in life is to get consumers locked-in to spend more money for Apple products.

    It is a sad thing for man kind and progress to have to suffer the ego of some very influential misguided leaders.

  4. “Isn’t the iPhone supposed to change the closed end cellular phone business model…”

    Matt, Are you kidding me? Don’t you know who Steve Jobs is? The guy is a metaphor of greed and total lack of consideration for others. His only interest is to keep making more money and enjoying the applauses of the lobotomized devotees, for whom he has no respect, that gather at his keynotes!

    His only ambition in life is to get consumers locked-in to spend more money for Apple products.

    It is a sad thing for man kind and progress to have to suffer the ego of some very influential misguided leaders.

  5. As a developer of Java applications for Blackberry I think Apple and the iPhone are missing a huge opportunity for innovative 3rd party applications for their customers.
    A closed system might be more secure but it will also limit customer options? Isn’t the iPhone supposed to change the closed end cellular phone business model that limits innovation and choices for customers? I hope the upcoming iPhone SDK mirror some of the great benefits offered by languages like Java.

  6. As a developer of Java applications for Blackberry I think Apple and the iPhone are missing a huge opportunity for innovative 3rd party applications for their customers.
    A closed system might be more secure but it will also limit customer options? Isn’t the iPhone supposed to change the closed end cellular phone business model that limits innovation and choices for customers? I hope the upcoming iPhone SDK mirror some of the great benefits offered by languages like Java.

  7. “Google Maps for iphone was developed by Google, not by Apple,” says ComicStipBlogger. Not true, according to Jobs interviews. Apple developed it using the regular Google API to send and retrieve Google maps data and showed it to the Google folks afterwards.

  8. “Google Maps for iphone was developed by Google, not by Apple,” says ComicStipBlogger. Not true, according to Jobs interviews. Apple developed it using the regular Google API to send and retrieve Google maps data and showed it to the Google folks afterwards.

  9. iphone must have 3G and GPS first of all – the running of 3rd party applications is not SO important – after all Apple probably HAS some internal SDK – because for example Google Maps for iphone was developed by Google, not by Apple… but they will give this secret SDK only to chosen companies…

    Duh. Google is a company of websites. That’s just an online app customized for iPhone: exactly what Apple has told devs to make.

    You get a bookmark and put it on the iPhone homescreen.

    *waves banner

    Mission Accomplished.

    Next?

  10. iphone must have 3G and GPS first of all – the running of 3rd party applications is not SO important – after all Apple probably HAS some internal SDK – because for example Google Maps for iphone was developed by Google, not by Apple… but they will give this secret SDK only to chosen companies…

    Duh. Google is a company of websites. That’s just an online app customized for iPhone: exactly what Apple has told devs to make.

    You get a bookmark and put it on the iPhone homescreen.

    *waves banner

    Mission Accomplished.

    Next?

  11. “everything to do with keeping the iPhone proprietary”

    Didn’t you get the memo? Java is the property of Sun Microsystems, and has never been submitted to any independent standards body.

  12. “everything to do with keeping the iPhone proprietary”

    Didn’t you get the memo? Java is the property of Sun Microsystems, and has never been submitted to any independent standards body.

  13. Job’s stance against Java has nothing to do its popularity or size and everything to do with keeping the iPhone proprietary. If Apple were to support Java, they would have to support open standards which would mean that applications would be portable to other mobile devices. This is the same proprietary, closed system strategy that Microsoft has been using to maintain their strangle hold on various markets. Of course, the Mac groupies will buy anything Apple creates. I am hoping the developer community just says no to the iPhone.

  14. Job’s stance against Java has nothing to do its popularity or size and everything to do with keeping the iPhone proprietary. If Apple were to support Java, they would have to support open standards which would mean that applications would be portable to other mobile devices. This is the same proprietary, closed system strategy that Microsoft has been using to maintain their strangle hold on various markets. Of course, the Mac groupies will buy anything Apple creates. I am hoping the developer community just says no to the iPhone.

  15. iphone must have 3G and GPS first of all – the running of 3rd party applications is not SO important – after all Apple probably HAS some internal SDK – because for example Google Maps for iphone was developed by Google, not by Apple… but they will give this secret SDK only to chosen companies…

  16. iphone must have 3G and GPS first of all – the running of 3rd party applications is not SO important – after all Apple probably HAS some internal SDK – because for example Google Maps for iphone was developed by Google, not by Apple… but they will give this secret SDK only to chosen companies…

  17. I hope this isn’t true; I’m looking forward to the iPhone (who isn’t?) with Flash / Silverlight. I hope it’s okay — I’ve added this article to the Silverlight forum I’m building, credited to you: silverlightsaber.com

  18. I hope this isn’t true; I’m looking forward to the iPhone (who isn’t?) with Flash / Silverlight. I hope it’s okay — I’ve added this article to the Silverlight forum I’m building, credited to you: silverlightsaber.com

  19. Although I shouldn’t be making such a bold statement about an Apple product, iPhone looks like it’s going to be a flop! :)

  20. Although I shouldn’t be making such a bold statement about an Apple product, iPhone looks like it’s going to be a flop! :)

  21. A man just walked into our office. He didn’t knock or anything. He gave each of us a business card with a smiley face that said something to the effect of “Help me financially, I’m deaf and the govt won’t help”. I stared blankly and gave him the card back. Mostly because I didn’t have any $5′s on me, and he left. The others did too. I wanted to Google some resources for him, but I was almost stuck like a dear in headlights. Our building is open to the public. This just happened, so I’m still thinking about it. The guy walked right into my office. Now I feel bad.

    So all this to say it doesn’t matter what we think or feel about the iPhone’s display capabilities, because we are not steering the ship. That would be Steve Jobs and Scoble can’t get his prime time it would seem for an interview. The last time Scoble ran into Jobs with Dave Winer Jobs chastised him for stealing Apple stuff and putting it into IE.

    All this to say that Scoble should repair his booboos with Apple and get an interview with Jobs and ask him himself.

  22. A man just walked into our office. He didn’t knock or anything. He gave each of us a business card with a smiley face that said something to the effect of “Help me financially, I’m deaf and the govt won’t help”. I stared blankly and gave him the card back. Mostly because I didn’t have any $5′s on me, and he left. The others did too. I wanted to Google some resources for him, but I was almost stuck like a dear in headlights. Our building is open to the public. This just happened, so I’m still thinking about it. The guy walked right into my office. Now I feel bad.

    So all this to say it doesn’t matter what we think or feel about the iPhone’s display capabilities, because we are not steering the ship. That would be Steve Jobs and Scoble can’t get his prime time it would seem for an interview. The last time Scoble ran into Jobs with Dave Winer Jobs chastised him for stealing Apple stuff and putting it into IE.

    All this to say that Scoble should repair his booboos with Apple and get an interview with Jobs and ask him himself.

  23. Java, Silverlight, and Flash bring nothing to the party, so the iPhone isn’t going to waste the storage for them.

    Here’s what it boils down to: no cruft, no crap.

  24. Java, Silverlight, and Flash bring nothing to the party, so the iPhone isn’t going to waste the storage for them.

    Here’s what it boils down to: no cruft, no crap.

  25. Oh my gawd. No proprietary Microsoft .Net or silverlight on iPhone means it’s DOOMED I tell you. DOOMED.

    You need to get some new material, Bob. You couldn’t PAY me to install that Microsoft proprietary garbage – maybe that’s why Bill & Co have to violate the law in order to enter a market.

  26. Oh my gawd. No proprietary Microsoft .Net or silverlight on iPhone means it’s DOOMED I tell you. DOOMED.

    You need to get some new material, Bob. You couldn’t PAY me to install that Microsoft proprietary garbage – maybe that’s why Bill & Co have to violate the law in order to enter a market.

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  28. Mike and everyone else: except OSX on iPhone isn’t really a “full OS” because unlike OSX on Macintosh we aren’t sure you can install ANYTHING. It sure would be nice for someone with an iPhone to tell us what we can install on it.

    Robert, stop trying to get technical, because honestly, you don’t know what an OS is. The version of OS X on the iPHone does not have everything that OS X on your MacBook, because if nothing else, you’d need it to have an iPod and a 12″ screen. Most of the userland is not there. Is it a “full” OS? yes. Is it the same byte-for-byte OS as on your MacBook? No. But it is still as much a “full” OS as the OS on your Nokia, on my WM phones, on a treo, or a Razr.

  29. Mike and everyone else: except OSX on iPhone isn’t really a “full OS” because unlike OSX on Macintosh we aren’t sure you can install ANYTHING. It sure would be nice for someone with an iPhone to tell us what we can install on it.

    Robert, stop trying to get technical, because honestly, you don’t know what an OS is. The version of OS X on the iPHone does not have everything that OS X on your MacBook, because if nothing else, you’d need it to have an iPod and a 12″ screen. Most of the userland is not there. Is it a “full” OS? yes. Is it the same byte-for-byte OS as on your MacBook? No. But it is still as much a “full” OS as the OS on your Nokia, on my WM phones, on a treo, or a Razr.

  30. Maybe Jobs needs to stop lying to the public. You can’t on the one hand say the phone runs OSX and Safari but leave out the fact that you’re actually gimping them.

    AJAX as an SDK for a phone. Wow. Laughable.

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