Um, Apple, Nokia N95 has Wifi

I just saw this comparison, done by Apple, which says that the Nokia N95 doesn’t have Wifi. That’s wrong. My Nokia N95 has Wifi built in and works quite well. It’s interesting what this chart doesn’t point out too. Things missing include:

1. Replaceable battery.
2. Swapable SIM card capability (unlocked, use with any carrier).
3. GPS.
4. Quad band with 3G capability.
5. Keyboard you can use without looking at the phone.
6. Java application compatibility.
7. .NET application compatibility.
8. Flash application compatibility.
9. Offline internet connected applications.

Of course Apple wouldn’t point THOSE out because they are not things the iPhone can do.

UPDATE: Apple updated its chart to fix the Nokia error.

140 thoughts on “Um, Apple, Nokia N95 has Wifi

  1. 3G and HSDPA are mandatory features in Europe for
    a smart phone. I can not imagine Apple selling the Iphone in Europe without it.
    HSDPA gives you more than 1mb on your cell and works around big cities like Paris, 3G let you get your emails quickly or skype while travelling in high speed train … combined with bluetooth it provides an excellent modem for your laptop while staying in your pocket.

  2. 3G and HSDPA are mandatory features in Europe for
    a smart phone. I can not imagine Apple selling the Iphone in Europe without it.
    HSDPA gives you more than 1mb on your cell and works around big cities like Paris, 3G let you get your emails quickly or skype while travelling in high speed train … combined with bluetooth it provides an excellent modem for your laptop while staying in your pocket.

  3. I was in Bangkok last week and wanted to bring home an unlocked Nokia 95. However, everyone I asked about it wanted $800 USD and would not negotiate, which is very rare for Thailand, so I passed it up. Was I wrong? If I got an iPhone I’d have to bail on my T-Mobile contract, so maybe I don’t get to early adopt this one. I’m not dissatisfied with my Blackberry Pearl, but I hate to be left out of something new :-) Childish.

  4. I was in Bangkok last week and wanted to bring home an unlocked Nokia 95. However, everyone I asked about it wanted $800 USD and would not negotiate, which is very rare for Thailand, so I passed it up. Was I wrong? If I got an iPhone I’d have to bail on my T-Mobile contract, so maybe I don’t get to early adopt this one. I’m not dissatisfied with my Blackberry Pearl, but I hate to be left out of something new :-) Childish.

  5. Robert

    If you don’t remember, I was all animated during the levee breach 2 years ago. I’m now working for the New Orleans Housing Resource Center in the Hollygrove neighborhood of New Orleans.

    I’m one of the few people on the ground in New Orleans, who is serious about social media in the recovery. The Nokia M95 caught my attention, because for our work organizing this devastated neighborhood, it would be valuable to have a geocoded photo record.

    I’d be interested in your thoughts on this matter.

  6. Robert

    If you don’t remember, I was all animated during the levee breach 2 years ago. I’m now working for the New Orleans Housing Resource Center in the Hollygrove neighborhood of New Orleans.

    I’m one of the few people on the ground in New Orleans, who is serious about social media in the recovery. The Nokia M95 caught my attention, because for our work organizing this devastated neighborhood, it would be valuable to have a geocoded photo record.

    I’d be interested in your thoughts on this matter.

  7. What’s all this about typing text messages without looking – how about just entering phone numbers while reading them off a piece of paper, or the screen?

  8. What’s all this about typing text messages without looking – how about just entering phone numbers while reading them off a piece of paper, or the screen?

  9. LayZ: whatever. I have used lots of digital cameras. And this one is FAR better quality than any other cell phone I’ve used.

    You can make all the arguments you want for what makes it better than the others. Sure, it’s the lens too. It has a Carl Zeiss lens. But the others don’t have the lens, don’t have the autofocus, don’t have the LED flash, don’t have the other things this one has.

    You’re just being pedantic.

    And, sorry, if all things are equal having more megapixels DOES matter.

  10. LayZ: whatever. I have used lots of digital cameras. And this one is FAR better quality than any other cell phone I’ve used.

    You can make all the arguments you want for what makes it better than the others. Sure, it’s the lens too. It has a Carl Zeiss lens. But the others don’t have the lens, don’t have the autofocus, don’t have the LED flash, don’t have the other things this one has.

    You’re just being pedantic.

    And, sorry, if all things are equal having more megapixels DOES matter.

  11. @32 “Mr. LayZ

    I dont think you got the point. The point here is that Apple’s chart omits these details. ”

    But that only reinforces my point. For either device, it doesn’t matter if one supports 5MB and the other doesn’t. Unless, like I said, the user plans to print really huge prints, or do some intense post processing of their pictutres. Which, if they do, I would suggest they buy a tool that was designed from the ground up to take digital pictures.

    “Whether one will find 5MP useful or not is very subjective and is another question. I know many ppl who would love a 5MP.”

    And those people are exactly the type of consumers the P&S camera manufacturers love, because they obviously fall for the myth that more pixels = better pictures.

  12. @32 “Mr. LayZ

    I dont think you got the point. The point here is that Apple’s chart omits these details. ”

    But that only reinforces my point. For either device, it doesn’t matter if one supports 5MB and the other doesn’t. Unless, like I said, the user plans to print really huge prints, or do some intense post processing of their pictutres. Which, if they do, I would suggest they buy a tool that was designed from the ground up to take digital pictures.

    “Whether one will find 5MP useful or not is very subjective and is another question. I know many ppl who would love a 5MP.”

    And those people are exactly the type of consumers the P&S camera manufacturers love, because they obviously fall for the myth that more pixels = better pictures.

  13. @39 “LayZ: look at my pictures on Flickr. Click on “all sizes” and look at the big images. They rock compared to any other cell phone I’ve seen.”

    Well, sez you. Then again there are people that think Saturn makes a great car, so whaddya gonna do?

    Even if you do think the pictures you took on your N95 “rock”, it’s not because of the pixel size the camera supports. It’s likely either the lens quality, the sensor quality, or…and it pains me to say this….the photographer. But is NOT pixel quanity support.

  14. @39 “LayZ: look at my pictures on Flickr. Click on “all sizes” and look at the big images. They rock compared to any other cell phone I’ve seen.”

    Well, sez you. Then again there are people that think Saturn makes a great car, so whaddya gonna do?

    Even if you do think the pictures you took on your N95 “rock”, it’s not because of the pixel size the camera supports. It’s likely either the lens quality, the sensor quality, or…and it pains me to say this….the photographer. But is NOT pixel quanity support.

  15. @Nick Halstead

    Hey Nick, thanks for taking my quote out of context. I hope I don’t have to explain to you that I was pointing out the idiocy of designing a product with a time-wasting interface and attaching a fast 3G connection to it. Please get a clue.

    Since you obviously missed my point, the reason why the iPhone will succeed is for the same reason the iPod succeeded. It’s not the features, stupid, it’s how they’re implemented. As other people have already noted above, the N95 looks great on paper, but it actually is ho-hum in actual use.

    The iPhone, on the other hand, may look “meh” on paper, but it will be kick-ass in implementation. Even without 3G and only EDGE. Even without an FM radio, only iTunes syncing. Even without 3rd party standalone apps (for now).

    No wonder Apple keeps kicking sand into the faces of so-called competitors without getting any itself. It’s not so hard when all your competitors can do is pile onto a spec list instead of making the product “just work” in a way that delights ordinary people.

  16. @Nick Halstead

    Hey Nick, thanks for taking my quote out of context. I hope I don’t have to explain to you that I was pointing out the idiocy of designing a product with a time-wasting interface and attaching a fast 3G connection to it. Please get a clue.

    Since you obviously missed my point, the reason why the iPhone will succeed is for the same reason the iPod succeeded. It’s not the features, stupid, it’s how they’re implemented. As other people have already noted above, the N95 looks great on paper, but it actually is ho-hum in actual use.

    The iPhone, on the other hand, may look “meh” on paper, but it will be kick-ass in implementation. Even without 3G and only EDGE. Even without an FM radio, only iTunes syncing. Even without 3rd party standalone apps (for now).

    No wonder Apple keeps kicking sand into the faces of so-called competitors without getting any itself. It’s not so hard when all your competitors can do is pile onto a spec list instead of making the product “just work” in a way that delights ordinary people.

  17. Jake: I got to the point where I could touch type on the Blackberry.

    I don’t look at the keyboard when typing. I can hold a conversation with you and take perfect notes and I can type in a totally black room with almost 100% accuracy.

  18. Jake: I got to the point where I could touch type on the Blackberry.

    I don’t look at the keyboard when typing. I can hold a conversation with you and take perfect notes and I can type in a totally black room with almost 100% accuracy.

  19. Tom: it’s obvious you’ve never met a teenager who lives by texting. Maryam’s niece who lives in Wales can pound out text after text without looking.

  20. Tom: it’s obvious you’ve never met a teenager who lives by texting. Maryam’s niece who lives in Wales can pound out text after text without looking.

  21. They made a mistake and fixed it. Big deal. As for the list of items you love on your free Nokia N95, good for you. I must admit #5 made me gag. I defy you or anyone else to touch-type messages of reasonable length on a smartphone’s QWERTY keyboard with your thumbs. Ain’t happening. You might pound out a word or two without looking at the keyboard, but that’s it. The fact is, you’re looking. The iPhone will be no better, but this argument is just silly.

  22. They made a mistake and fixed it. Big deal. As for the list of items you love on your free Nokia N95, good for you. I must admit #5 made me gag. I defy you or anyone else to touch-type messages of reasonable length on a smartphone’s QWERTY keyboard with your thumbs. Ain’t happening. You might pound out a word or two without looking at the keyboard, but that’s it. The fact is, you’re looking. The iPhone will be no better, but this argument is just silly.

  23. But you looked at the Blackberry while you were doing it.
    Everybody is familiar with the under the table stare. Be honest, put the Blackberry on the table and just ignore the speakers at your meetings.

  24. But you looked at the Blackberry while you were doing it.
    Everybody is familiar with the under the table stare. Be honest, put the Blackberry on the table and just ignore the speakers at your meetings.

  25. LayZ: look at my pictures on Flickr. Click on “all sizes” and look at the big images. They rock compared to any other cell phone I’ve seen.

    I’m getting an iPhone too. I’ll definitely put up some comparison photos.

    As to the N95′s faults. Yeah, the camera is slow. But I get pictures I never would have taken because I don’t carry my digital camera everywhere and anyway my digital camera doesn’t automatically send photos to Flickr for you to see. Translation: I’ll put up with the slow camera.

    As for the GPS speed: agreed. But at least it has it so if I’m lost I can at least see where I am.

    Regarding the UI: it’s as good a UI as I’ve had on a phone so far. The iPhone pushes things much further, though.

  26. LayZ: look at my pictures on Flickr. Click on “all sizes” and look at the big images. They rock compared to any other cell phone I’ve seen.

    I’m getting an iPhone too. I’ll definitely put up some comparison photos.

    As to the N95′s faults. Yeah, the camera is slow. But I get pictures I never would have taken because I don’t carry my digital camera everywhere and anyway my digital camera doesn’t automatically send photos to Flickr for you to see. Translation: I’ll put up with the slow camera.

    As for the GPS speed: agreed. But at least it has it so if I’m lost I can at least see where I am.

    Regarding the UI: it’s as good a UI as I’ve had on a phone so far. The iPhone pushes things much further, though.

  27. Ross: #33: yes, my niece texts while keeping the phone in her pocket. It’s an amazing skill but she’s not the only one I’ve met who does that. Joi Ito tells me that’s quite common in Japan too.

    When I had a Blackberry I used to type emails during meetings under the table.

  28. Ross: #33: yes, my niece texts while keeping the phone in her pocket. It’s an amazing skill but she’s not the only one I’ve met who does that. Joi Ito tells me that’s quite common in Japan too.

    When I had a Blackberry I used to type emails during meetings under the table.

  29. Shhh! Mr Scoble you’re not meant to point that out, they might have got away wih it. There’s probably a lot of kids who didn’t realise that there were Mp3 players before the iPod as well.

  30. Shhh! Mr Scoble you’re not meant to point that out, they might have got away wih it. There’s probably a lot of kids who didn’t realise that there were Mp3 players before the iPod as well.

  31. @Ross,nr. 28: I live in Europe too; and I can textmessage without looking at the screen. If you know your phone (in my case the n95 :-) well enough, it´s not a problem.

  32. @Ross,nr. 28: I live in Europe too; and I can textmessage without looking at the screen. If you know your phone (in my case the n95 :-) well enough, it´s not a problem.

  33. Paul, “What is the point of 3G”?? OMG do you want to go back to using a 2400baud modem at home? no? When I upload a 5MP picture from my N95 up to flickr it takes seconds with 3G (HSDPA). If I try that using 2G it takes likes 10-15 minutes?

    The iPhone is a non-starter for me. An example web-page for me would be the http://www.bbc.co.uk which comes in at around 300k. On 3G its a pleasure to browse, on 2G? forget it! IPhone is for hotspot use only and thats just rubbish. I love my Macbook but I would not give up my N95 in favour of the iPhone until they sort out 3G support.

  34. Paul, “What is the point of 3G”?? OMG do you want to go back to using a 2400baud modem at home? no? When I upload a 5MP picture from my N95 up to flickr it takes seconds with 3G (HSDPA). If I try that using 2G it takes likes 10-15 minutes?

    The iPhone is a non-starter for me. An example web-page for me would be the http://www.bbc.co.uk which comes in at around 300k. On 3G its a pleasure to browse, on 2G? forget it! IPhone is for hotspot use only and thats just rubbish. I love my Macbook but I would not give up my N95 in favour of the iPhone until they sort out 3G support.

  35. Robert @5, I live in Europe, and I’ve only ever seen people look at their phones when txting. Are you sure they were sending SMS?

  36. Robert @5, I live in Europe, and I’ve only ever seen people look at their phones when txting. Are you sure they were sending SMS?

  37. Mr. LayZ

    I dont think you got the point. The point here is that Apple’s chart omits these details.

    Whether one will find 5MP useful or not is very subjective and is another question. I know many ppl who would love a 5MP.

  38. Mr. LayZ

    I dont think you got the point. The point here is that Apple’s chart omits these details.

    Whether one will find 5MP useful or not is very subjective and is another question. I know many ppl who would love a 5MP.

  39. @mike

    Thank you! I’m getting sick of all these people who predict iPhone will be an utter failure because it lacks some pet feature like FM radio support. Even the 3G band camp is getting tiring because 90% of the people I know don’t even use 2G.

    Frankly, when it takes 25 clicks or so on a Treo just to duplicate what the “Calamari” commercial does in just 8, what’s the point of having 3G anyway? Every time I want to do something, the utter suckiness of non-iPhone interfaces makes me spend 3X longer just performing ordinary tasks. Funny how no one counts “interface suckiness” and lag as lost time.

    Some of you are living in a buble of your own making. The rest of us will be enjoying our iPhones, thank you.

  40. @mike

    Thank you! I’m getting sick of all these people who predict iPhone will be an utter failure because it lacks some pet feature like FM radio support. Even the 3G band camp is getting tiring because 90% of the people I know don’t even use 2G.

    Frankly, when it takes 25 clicks or so on a Treo just to duplicate what the “Calamari” commercial does in just 8, what’s the point of having 3G anyway? Every time I want to do something, the utter suckiness of non-iPhone interfaces makes me spend 3X longer just performing ordinary tasks. Funny how no one counts “interface suckiness” and lag as lost time.

    Some of you are living in a buble of your own making. The rest of us will be enjoying our iPhones, thank you.

  41. @15. Unless you are someone that falls for the more pixels = better pictures hype, it doesn’t matter that the N95 has a 5MB camera and the iPhone has a 2MB camera. Unless one plans to embarrass themselves by making HUGE prints of pictures they take on cell phone camera. Even then the naked eye likely won’t see a difference unless they look real close.

  42. @15. Unless you are someone that falls for the more pixels = better pictures hype, it doesn’t matter that the N95 has a 5MB camera and the iPhone has a 2MB camera. Unless one plans to embarrass themselves by making HUGE prints of pictures they take on cell phone camera. Even then the naked eye likely won’t see a difference unless they look real close.

  43. Never seen iPhone live, but I have a N95 and that is just really mediocre product. The specs might look awesome, but it is just sooo unfinished. Take for example the GPS module which is strangely placed, you need to hold the phone in certain position in order to get good fix for the satellites. And the 5mpx camera is just a joke, it’s sooo slow because of the vast amount of information to store on slow memory card (or something similar technical glitch). Flash is nice though.

    The UI is just full of inconsistencies and bugs, it seems that parts of the product were created by different teams, there is no unifying vision in the design. Standard Nokia themes are just a joke compared to visuals we have seen from iPhone.

    I might be overexaggerating, but for me N95 is a nice geeky device to show off for people, but I actually use my Sony Ericsson W880 for calling / SMS / camera / music / internet etc.

    Even though the iPhone will certainly look worse from the technical specs point, I would still wait and see how the total iPhone user experience will be in the end. Because in daily use that matters, not the specs, I dare to claim.

  44. Never seen iPhone live, but I have a N95 and that is just really mediocre product. The specs might look awesome, but it is just sooo unfinished. Take for example the GPS module which is strangely placed, you need to hold the phone in certain position in order to get good fix for the satellites. And the 5mpx camera is just a joke, it’s sooo slow because of the vast amount of information to store on slow memory card (or something similar technical glitch). Flash is nice though.

    The UI is just full of inconsistencies and bugs, it seems that parts of the product were created by different teams, there is no unifying vision in the design. Standard Nokia themes are just a joke compared to visuals we have seen from iPhone.

    I might be overexaggerating, but for me N95 is a nice geeky device to show off for people, but I actually use my Sony Ericsson W880 for calling / SMS / camera / music / internet etc.

    Even though the iPhone will certainly look worse from the technical specs point, I would still wait and see how the total iPhone user experience will be in the end. Because in daily use that matters, not the specs, I dare to claim.

  45. Does iPhone have a video camera? An FM radio? The Nokia N95 does.

    Mind you, the N95 doesn’t have RDS on its FM radio. The absence of RDS severely limits FM use on the move.

    (Scoble: I’m in the UK, not sure if you have RDS in the US?)

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