iPhoneMeme: where’s the family plan?

OK, back to TechMeme, er, I mean, iPhoneMeme. It’s all iPhone all week long. Deal with it John Dvorak. You should have taken that trip to Antarctica that you were thinking about. That might be the only place to avoid iPhoneHype this week.

But, I am interested in this. I have a family of three people. Two of whom are going to get a new cell phone. My son has been saving up his allowance money and doing extra work here and there to save up his $600. He already has a cell phone that I pay for. It’s already on AT&T. I have no idea if I’ll have to pay a cancellation fee for that or not when Patrick gets his iPhone.

Maryam is tired of her TMobile service. It doesn’t work in Half Moon Bay very well. AT&T works just great. I have a full set of bars inside the house here where her TMobile phone doesn’t even work at home. Very frustrating.

So, I read all the posts about iPhone service plans and I see nothing about any discounts for families who’ll have two or three iPhones running (I probably will end up getting an iPhone too if this thing even comes close to matching 1/10th the hype). This is gonna be one expensive thing to get for all three of us. The Apple press release says numbers can be moved over from existing AT&T accounts, though. That’s good, I wonder if there’ll be a fee to do that?

Anyway, see ya in line at the Palo Alto Apple store on Thursday sometime. Hopefully I can find a power outlet.

127 thoughts on “iPhoneMeme: where’s the family plan?

  1. Sam,
    Interesting read, though you could say a lot of that same “witchery” type stuff about the Wii I would imagine.

    But the one thing I hadn’t thought about though was the things a child will have access to on the Iphone, MS built in some great “Child proofing” components into Vista to protect children from porn sites, usage amounts, etc.

    Encouraging a child (by legal defintion of a child) to purchase an IPhone or any smartphone in general that provides such easy access to any porn sites, news sites, chatrooms, etc. without any control by the parents is extremely scary in my opinion.

    I can see all the headlines now of children getting kicked out of school for the things they happen to have on their phones.

  2. Sam,
    Interesting read, though you could say a lot of that same “witchery” type stuff about the Wii I would imagine.

    But the one thing I hadn’t thought about though was the things a child will have access to on the Iphone, MS built in some great “Child proofing” components into Vista to protect children from porn sites, usage amounts, etc.

    Encouraging a child (by legal defintion of a child) to purchase an IPhone or any smartphone in general that provides such easy access to any porn sites, news sites, chatrooms, etc. without any control by the parents is extremely scary in my opinion.

    I can see all the headlines now of children getting kicked out of school for the things they happen to have on their phones.

  3. I just had to buy more hard drives from Tiger. I bought Seagate SATAs.
    Does anybody know what the best phone you can get that works in Canada is?
    http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=3025379&sku=N529-1102
    Tiger Canada has the N95, but I am afraid of receiving 1000+ phone bills from Rogers.
    Does anybody know if there are phones out there for Canada that do compression better so we don’t get screwed?
    http://www.thomaspurves.com/2007/04/09/canada-worse-than-3rd-world-countries-when-it-comes-to-mobile-data-access/
    Basically, anything beyond text messaging and regular phone here tacks on a $50-100 surcharge plus transfer.
    I have a moto razr now, but the LCD is getting really bad.
    Thanks for any info.

  4. I just had to buy more hard drives from Tiger. I bought Seagate SATAs.
    Does anybody know what the best phone you can get that works in Canada is?
    http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=3025379&sku=N529-1102
    Tiger Canada has the N95, but I am afraid of receiving 1000+ phone bills from Rogers.
    Does anybody know if there are phones out there for Canada that do compression better so we don’t get screwed?
    http://www.thomaspurves.com/2007/04/09/canada-worse-than-3rd-world-countries-when-it-comes-to-mobile-data-access/
    Basically, anything beyond text messaging and regular phone here tacks on a $50-100 surcharge plus transfer.
    I have a moto razr now, but the LCD is getting really bad.
    Thanks for any info.

  5. I heard on the radio early this morning that in San Francisco, people are actually selling real estate space on the sidewalk so that people who want the iPhones can make sure they’ll be walking away with one. That’s pretty outrageous. Personally, I plan on waiting for about 6 months when all the stuff that’s going to break gets fixed. Then I might be interested. But good luck with your new phones. Hope they kick you down a family plan.

  6. I heard on the radio early this morning that in San Francisco, people are actually selling real estate space on the sidewalk so that people who want the iPhones can make sure they’ll be walking away with one. That’s pretty outrageous. Personally, I plan on waiting for about 6 months when all the stuff that’s going to break gets fixed. Then I might be interested. But good luck with your new phones. Hope they kick you down a family plan.

  7. @33 “Aren’t we supposed to be teaching our kids that it’s not what they have that makes a person cool or popular, it’s how they act and treat others around them that makes them the good people they should be?”

    Amen! But see, in the geek world that’s not the case. Because of their low self esteem they compensate by acquiring the “coolest gadgets” and subscribing to the latest geek services. It’s what defines them.

    And unfortunately in this day and age more parents would much rather be their child’s friend than their parent.

  8. @33 “Aren’t we supposed to be teaching our kids that it’s not what they have that makes a person cool or popular, it’s how they act and treat others around them that makes them the good people they should be?”

    Amen! But see, in the geek world that’s not the case. Because of their low self esteem they compensate by acquiring the “coolest gadgets” and subscribing to the latest geek services. It’s what defines them.

    And unfortunately in this day and age more parents would much rather be their child’s friend than their parent.

  9. Robert, does this mean that you are so fed up with Microsoft products that you don’t use Exchange anymore?

    I really don’t see how anyone would not want to use the best email/pim solution which happens to work best with Windows Mobile!

  10. Robert, does this mean that you are so fed up with Microsoft products that you don’t use Exchange anymore?

    I really don’t see how anyone would not want to use the best email/pim solution which happens to work best with Windows Mobile!

  11. First off, Pogue and Mossberg giving relatively glowing reviews of the iPod was expected. I mean, they didn’t even need the phone to put together those reviews. I could have written those reviews a couple of weeks back, and the result would have been just the same.

    In regards to your son, I think it is commendable that he saves and buys things that he wants through his own hard work. That is how I grew up. However, there also should be limits to this, and spending $600 on cell phone seems to me to be above those limits.

    Part of working hard when you are a kid is not only to see that hard work can get you something, but also helps you see the value of things. The iPhone is hardly a value proposition, no matter how much it does. At the end of the day, you really just need a phone to make and receive phone calls. Him wasting $600 sets a bad precedent. Yes, I said wasting. What real benefit will he derive, as a kid, by having yet another electronic gadget to tune out the rest of the world? You know, like real human interaction? If you don’t stop this behavior now, he’ll be hitting you up for a 3 Series when he gets old enough to drive, which he won’t be able to pay on his own. Better get that wallet greased up.

    Just like Micah, my 2 cents.

  12. First off, Pogue and Mossberg giving relatively glowing reviews of the iPod was expected. I mean, they didn’t even need the phone to put together those reviews. I could have written those reviews a couple of weeks back, and the result would have been just the same.

    In regards to your son, I think it is commendable that he saves and buys things that he wants through his own hard work. That is how I grew up. However, there also should be limits to this, and spending $600 on cell phone seems to me to be above those limits.

    Part of working hard when you are a kid is not only to see that hard work can get you something, but also helps you see the value of things. The iPhone is hardly a value proposition, no matter how much it does. At the end of the day, you really just need a phone to make and receive phone calls. Him wasting $600 sets a bad precedent. Yes, I said wasting. What real benefit will he derive, as a kid, by having yet another electronic gadget to tune out the rest of the world? You know, like real human interaction? If you don’t stop this behavior now, he’ll be hitting you up for a 3 Series when he gets old enough to drive, which he won’t be able to pay on his own. Better get that wallet greased up.

    Just like Micah, my 2 cents.

  13. I’m looking at techmeme right now, it’s almost all mainstream media, corporate blogs (that’s the new corporate press release) and A-list media (journalists who just happen to use blogs as tools)

  14. I’m looking at techmeme right now, it’s almost all mainstream media, corporate blogs (that’s the new corporate press release) and A-list media (journalists who just happen to use blogs as tools)

  15. Do you guys really not get it? Robert COULD do his own research on family rates for the iPhone or anything else. BUT, he knows that if he plays dumb his commenters will do the work for him.

  16. Do you guys really not get it? Robert COULD do his own research on family rates for the iPhone or anything else. BUT, he knows that if he plays dumb his commenters will do the work for him.

  17. Hey Robert, if people shouldn’t be whining about your whining then you shouldn’t be whining about Dvorak’s whining. As for the iPhone, it sure looks cool but after seeing your photos taken with the Nokia N95, I would have to go with that. I can’t imagine that the Apple’s photos are going to look that nice. Of course since I’ve avoided a cell for this long I’ll probably try to hold out. Though as it becomes more feature laden it’s starts to seem handy…..

  18. Hey Robert, if people shouldn’t be whining about your whining then you shouldn’t be whining about Dvorak’s whining. As for the iPhone, it sure looks cool but after seeing your photos taken with the Nokia N95, I would have to go with that. I can’t imagine that the Apple’s photos are going to look that nice. Of course since I’ve avoided a cell for this long I’ll probably try to hold out. Though as it becomes more feature laden it’s starts to seem handy…..

  19. Scoble,
    I just have to start by saying I do not have any kids yet (though my wife is due in Nov), so maybe I’m just completely out of the loop on how to raise kids and obviously can’t really suggest how to raise your kids.

    So this is all just what I would imagine I would when I have my own kids.

    I am happy to see that your son has the ambition to work hard to earn the money to buy the things he wants, I know so many kids who have no motivation at all, which is really quite sad.

    However, personally if it was my kid and he wanted to purchase such an expensive phone when I would assume is under 16 years old? I’d make them pay for any service fees, taxes, cancellation costs of an older phone, etc. If he wants it, he pays for it.

    There are certainly PLENTY of other phone options out there that are much more affordable, if you can pay for it you shouldn’t have it. That’s exactly the reason so many people are up to their eyeballs in debt and end up filing for bankruptcy. Paying for his cancellation fees and possibly some of his service plans in MY mind is setting an odd example.

    I certainly would not pay for part of his service to make him “happy” and/or to make him the “coolest” kid on the playground (which I have seen you say before I believe as well). Aren’t we supposed to be teaching our kids that it’s not what they have that makes a person cool or popular, it’s how they act and treat others around them that makes them the good people they should be?

    Why does your son even need a phone as powerful as an Iphone? I simply don’t understand, outside the “coolness” factor. Frankly there is a lot more to live than being cool.

    I agree with a lot of other people, I’m so sick of hearing about the IPhone, it’s an overly expensive phone that is overly hyped for a product that has much less functionality than most smart phones already out there. It’s such a sad state that so many people are going to fork over so much money for a phone when that money could be used in so many other important areas, Education for one.

    Ok, enough from me, just wanted to give my 2 cents.

  20. Scoble,
    I just have to start by saying I do not have any kids yet (though my wife is due in Nov), so maybe I’m just completely out of the loop on how to raise kids and obviously can’t really suggest how to raise your kids.

    So this is all just what I would imagine I would when I have my own kids.

    I am happy to see that your son has the ambition to work hard to earn the money to buy the things he wants, I know so many kids who have no motivation at all, which is really quite sad.

    However, personally if it was my kid and he wanted to purchase such an expensive phone when I would assume is under 16 years old? I’d make them pay for any service fees, taxes, cancellation costs of an older phone, etc. If he wants it, he pays for it.

    There are certainly PLENTY of other phone options out there that are much more affordable, if you can pay for it you shouldn’t have it. That’s exactly the reason so many people are up to their eyeballs in debt and end up filing for bankruptcy. Paying for his cancellation fees and possibly some of his service plans in MY mind is setting an odd example.

    I certainly would not pay for part of his service to make him “happy” and/or to make him the “coolest” kid on the playground (which I have seen you say before I believe as well). Aren’t we supposed to be teaching our kids that it’s not what they have that makes a person cool or popular, it’s how they act and treat others around them that makes them the good people they should be?

    Why does your son even need a phone as powerful as an Iphone? I simply don’t understand, outside the “coolness” factor. Frankly there is a lot more to live than being cool.

    I agree with a lot of other people, I’m so sick of hearing about the IPhone, it’s an overly expensive phone that is overly hyped for a product that has much less functionality than most smart phones already out there. It’s such a sad state that so many people are going to fork over so much money for a phone when that money could be used in so many other important areas, Education for one.

    Ok, enough from me, just wanted to give my 2 cents.

  21. “I have no idea if I’ll have to pay a cancellation fee for that or not when Patrick gets his iPhone.”

    Hey, Scoble. There’s this new thing called the internet. And what’s nice about it is that most companies have this thing called a web site where you can go and find out a lot about the kinds of products and services those companies offer. You might want to give it a try.

  22. “I have no idea if I’ll have to pay a cancellation fee for that or not when Patrick gets his iPhone.”

    Hey, Scoble. There’s this new thing called the internet. And what’s nice about it is that most companies have this thing called a web site where you can go and find out a lot about the kinds of products and services those companies offer. You might want to give it a try.

  23. How about a video-walking (like photowalking) outside the Palo Alto Store? Maybe not for ScobleShow..though if there are enough geeks….

    Might be a good way to pass time in a long line. Just a suggestion

  24. How about a video-walking (like photowalking) outside the Palo Alto Store? Maybe not for ScobleShow..though if there are enough geeks….

    Might be a good way to pass time in a long line. Just a suggestion

  25. Mr. Scoble – Tulsa, 29th, new Apple Store THAT DAY. New product (or so I hear) that day too. Wonder if we’ll have a VIP in the house for the blessed event?

  26. Mr. Scoble – Tulsa, 29th, new Apple Store THAT DAY. New product (or so I hear) that day too. Wonder if we’ll have a VIP in the house for the blessed event?

  27. Don’t get your confusion about the family plans. They have made it ridiculously clear with the least mumbo jumbo I’ve ever seen.

    @25 Read the first reviews. Looks like the iHype was on iTarget. Awesome software & UI, so-so phone and lousy EDGE. I’m afraid I will be with Robert in the iLine even though I’d prefer 3G.

  28. Don’t get your confusion about the family plans. They have made it ridiculously clear with the least mumbo jumbo I’ve ever seen.

    @25 Read the first reviews. Looks like the iHype was on iTarget. Awesome software & UI, so-so phone and lousy EDGE. I’m afraid I will be with Robert in the iLine even though I’d prefer 3G.

  29. T-Mobile and Cing… I mean AT&T share the same network so they should get the same coverage. That’s pretty much straight from a T-Mobile rep. And, on my T-Mobile phone, I can choose which network to use. BUT, I have seen a significant difference. In my house (in NY), we have a Nokia 6030 and Moto Razr and both Cing… I mean AT&T and T-Mobile. I have unlocked both phones and swapped services. My finding is that AT&T (got it right that time) has better coverage and that the Nokia 6030 has better reception. Both by wide margins. Just my two cents. Though, in Texas, T-Mobile coverage was excellent. And T-Mobile has served me well for many years, but the reception is a deal breaker, so when my latest contract is up, it will be over.

  30. T-Mobile and Cing… I mean AT&T share the same network so they should get the same coverage. That’s pretty much straight from a T-Mobile rep. And, on my T-Mobile phone, I can choose which network to use. BUT, I have seen a significant difference. In my house (in NY), we have a Nokia 6030 and Moto Razr and both Cing… I mean AT&T and T-Mobile. I have unlocked both phones and swapped services. My finding is that AT&T (got it right that time) has better coverage and that the Nokia 6030 has better reception. Both by wide margins. Just my two cents. Though, in Texas, T-Mobile coverage was excellent. And T-Mobile has served me well for many years, but the reception is a deal breaker, so when my latest contract is up, it will be over.

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