Nokia users hate me…

July 2, 2007 By

Ahh, go over to the Nokia forum. They are up in arms about how someone who HAS and USES a Nokia N95 could possibly swallow Steve Jobs’ hype and covet an iPhone.

I guess they missed my earlier blogs where I detailed all the ways the N95 was better than the iPhone. Let’s see again, GPS (yes, I’ve used it, it takes four minutes to get a lock most of the time), better camera (kudos, but the experience of using it absolutely sucks compared to the iPhone, but it does make MUCH better images), replaceable battery (my battery today was used for normal phone and some browsing starting at about 9 a.m. and it was dead by 7 p.m. so you damn well better get a replaceable battery), 3G (but not in the United States, only in Europe), video recording (one place where Apple screwed up), better developer platform (normal people don’t care), games included (Apple isn’t gonna leave that hole open for long).

Ahh, religion is a funny thing.

I can’t wait to see a serious iPhone competitor come from Nokia with the same kinds of features. It’ll be fun to go back to the religious types then.

These fans remind me of the geeks at San Jose State University who worked in the computer center back in 1991. They told me “who needs a mouse and menus? They are only needed by idiots.”

Anyway, if Nokia fans think this kind of “evangelism” is going to serve them, or the company they love, well, then hats off to you. You make the freakiest Apple fan seem pretty normal now and that’s hard to do. Congratulations!

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  • Aditya Moorthy

    Hi Rob,

    I am an avid reader of your blog and I am commenting for the first time. It is probably old topic by now to talk about this, but I thought I would share some of my thoughts on this topic.

    I am not “religious” towards any product and appreciate anything that is creative and better than the ones developed before. If at all I am religious I am towards bloggers like you as you guys are on the frontline providing so much of update to couch potatoes like me and I really appreciate that.

    Coming back to the topic, I personally think that a comparison between iPhone and N95 is not justified as they are completely different products. Accepted that N95 and iPhones serve the same purpose but given the advancements in technologies we cannot simply take for granted that since they are both mobile phones they are fit to be compared. All those who do it would never reach a true verdict that which is better simply because we are not comparing the right products.

    I am in Singapore where it is summer throughout the year. People naturally perspire a lot and the body generates quite a bit of oil. I have to wash myself several times a day just to look fresh. If I carry a phone which has no keyboard and I have to touch the screen for practically everything I need to do with the phone, the phone is going to be so sticky and oily in couple of hours that it is simply not possible to handle it myself. This is not to say that N95 does not get dirty but atleast I am not touching the display all the time.

    On the contrary, the iPhone is a really “cool” product. Nothing can compare to it’s beauty and simplicity. But imagine trying to blog from your phone (I haven’t used one so I may be wrong here), it is definitely going to be more difficult than a phone with keyboard. I use a E65 and I blog quite easily with it even though it does not have a QWERTY keyboard.

    I am not bashing iPhone or glorifying the N95 or vice versa but people have to put things in perspective before bashing either of the phone just on the basis of comparing each other. N95 is for sure a much more productive phone than iPhone and on the other hand iPhone is amazing when it comes to simplicity.

    So instead of fighting the religious crowd one should come up with enough reasons and options that both Apple and Nokia go back to their drawing board trying to appreciate what the competitor has developed and finding ways to achieve it.

    Well, my 2 cents worth. And thanks for adding me on Facebook.

    Keep blogging…

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    pseudofinn: I love historical revisionism! Who called me a moron? Isn’t that a name? That was done first by one of your tribe. You’re not here for a conversation. You’re here to beat me up and prove to your tribe back on the Nokia forum what a brute you are. Oh, you brute!

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    pseudofinn: I love historical revisionism! Who called me a moron? Isn’t that a name? That was done first by one of your tribe. You’re not here for a conversation. You’re here to beat me up and prove to your tribe back on the Nokia forum what a brute you are. Oh, you brute!

  • http://blogs.technet.com/jamesone/archive/tags/Privacy/default.aspx James O’Neill

    Robert you sure have become an i-Phone bore.

    Not being in the US I’m vague on the price, but we can divide the world into 3 groups.

    (a) Those who think spending >$500 on a phone is idiotic. My Windows phone hooks into my corporate mail, my personal address book, my corporate address book and my corporate calendar. It browses the web, has a camera, plays music and videos. AND IT’S FREE on a contract. Why would anyone *pay* to have a phone ? A lot of readers don’t want to hear about the i-phone.

    (b) Those who have spent >$500 on a phone. Clearly they don’t believe they are idiots themselves, but anyone who buys a phone other than theirs must be an idiot. That means all those with expensive fashion phones other than the iPhone don’t want to hear you telling them they wasted their money.

    (c)Those who agree with you. But after a while it gets dull to be told, again, how smart you were to buy Scoble’s choice, so they’re probably pretty bored with you.

    So Robert, you don’t have to post an answer, but you should think about the question “I am as interesting and relevant as when I was at Microsoft”.

  • http://blogs.technet.com/jamesone/archive/tags/Privacy/default.aspx James O’Neill

    Robert you sure have become an i-Phone bore.

    Not being in the US I’m vague on the price, but we can divide the world into 3 groups.

    (a) Those who think spending >$500 on a phone is idiotic. My Windows phone hooks into my corporate mail, my personal address book, my corporate address book and my corporate calendar. It browses the web, has a camera, plays music and videos. AND IT’S FREE on a contract. Why would anyone *pay* to have a phone ? A lot of readers don’t want to hear about the i-phone.

    (b) Those who have spent >$500 on a phone. Clearly they don’t believe they are idiots themselves, but anyone who buys a phone other than theirs must be an idiot. That means all those with expensive fashion phones other than the iPhone don’t want to hear you telling them they wasted their money.

    (c)Those who agree with you. But after a while it gets dull to be told, again, how smart you were to buy Scoble’s choice, so they’re probably pretty bored with you.

    So Robert, you don’t have to post an answer, but you should think about the question “I am as interesting and relevant as when I was at Microsoft”.

  • Juno

    Robert, I’m very disappointed. You wrote not long ago that you have been experiencing some burnout with blogging. I think you would be well advised to take a break from it. Take a week. Or a month. Or a lifetime. But take a break.

    Your blogging used to be relevant and interesting. Lately you’ve become 1) boring, 2) combative, 3) insulting, and 4) irrelevant. When you aren’t attacking your readers with petty insults, you are posting the same recycled news that I can read anywhere. What happened to the interesting and innovative content?

    I don’t make these comments to be harsh. I’m serious when I say that you seem to need a break.

  • Podesta

    Pseudo, I don’t see how you can literally send commenters from your blog over here to attack Robert and then play the innocent victim when he calls you out. You lose.

    Aditya, I think your claim that the iPhone will not be a productive device will likely be proven wrong. People use their iPods as productive devices, by loading useful text, audio and video files on them, or accessing iTunes U. So, considering the additional functions of the iPhone, such as email and the camera, it can’t be any less productive.

    James, the N95 cost $750. That fact is rarely mentioned on Nokia blogs or even in comments here because it is another negative for the phone. I even watched an interview of a Nokia executive promoting the N95 on iDay in which he did not mention the price until the reporter asked point blank near the end of the interview. So, if you are going to criticize the iPhone based on price, the same criticism applies to the N95, only more so.

    There are good things to be said about the N95. The camera is probably among the best on cell phones anywhere. GPS can be handy, though I found the example of using it as a Neighborhood Positioning System during one’s daily run silly. (Get Nike + iPod instead.) It offers the second best browser, apparently. But, the iPhone will exceed expectations in the market with good reason.

  • Juno

    Robert, I’m very disappointed. You wrote not long ago that you have been experiencing some burnout with blogging. I think you would be well advised to take a break from it. Take a week. Or a month. Or a lifetime. But take a break.

    Your blogging used to be relevant and interesting. Lately you’ve become 1) boring, 2) combative, 3) insulting, and 4) irrelevant. When you aren’t attacking your readers with petty insults, you are posting the same recycled news that I can read anywhere. What happened to the interesting and innovative content?

    I don’t make these comments to be harsh. I’m serious when I say that you seem to need a break.

  • Podesta

    Pseudo, I don’t see how you can literally send commenters from your blog over here to attack Robert and then play the innocent victim when he calls you out. You lose.

    Aditya, I think your claim that the iPhone will not be a productive device will likely be proven wrong. People use their iPods as productive devices, by loading useful text, audio and video files on them, or accessing iTunes U. So, considering the additional functions of the iPhone, such as email and the camera, it can’t be any less productive.

    James, the N95 cost $750. That fact is rarely mentioned on Nokia blogs or even in comments here because it is another negative for the phone. I even watched an interview of a Nokia executive promoting the N95 on iDay in which he did not mention the price until the reporter asked point blank near the end of the interview. So, if you are going to criticize the iPhone based on price, the same criticism applies to the N95, only more so.

    There are good things to be said about the N95. The camera is probably among the best on cell phones anywhere. GPS can be handy, though I found the example of using it as a Neighborhood Positioning System during one’s daily run silly. (Get Nike + iPod instead.) It offers the second best browser, apparently. But, the iPhone will exceed expectations in the market with good reason.

  • Salada2k

    First of all Robert, we are not a ‘tribe’. Don’t try and make us out to be some kind of barbaric uprising that has something against you just because you tout the iPhone as the best thing since sliced bread, when it isn’t. I called you a moron because at times you are, and as someone who has you at least on my RSS feed, and does somewhat enjoy some of things you have to say. I was particularly dismayed at some of your observations of the N95, as I only like to hear the truth be told, and I think you’ve missed out on some very important things you’ve kept from your readership about where the iPhone LACKS features. Your title as technology evangelist is not deserved.

    And by the way, no one from our ‘tribe’ asked you to make a comparison. You took that upon yourself. Maybe they are Apples and Oranges. But you’ve never made that clear, at least not that I’ve seen. I think you owe it to your readers to say what’s inferior about the iPhone.

    It has been one extraordinary laugh though, I’ll give you that. Also, tell me, how is this hurting the technology companies???

  • Salada2k

    First of all Robert, we are not a ‘tribe’. Don’t try and make us out to be some kind of barbaric uprising that has something against you just because you tout the iPhone as the best thing since sliced bread, when it isn’t. I called you a moron because at times you are, and as someone who has you at least on my RSS feed, and does somewhat enjoy some of things you have to say. I was particularly dismayed at some of your observations of the N95, as I only like to hear the truth be told, and I think you’ve missed out on some very important things you’ve kept from your readership about where the iPhone LACKS features. Your title as technology evangelist is not deserved.

    And by the way, no one from our ‘tribe’ asked you to make a comparison. You took that upon yourself. Maybe they are Apples and Oranges. But you’ve never made that clear, at least not that I’ve seen. I think you owe it to your readers to say what’s inferior about the iPhone.

    It has been one extraordinary laugh though, I’ll give you that. Also, tell me, how is this hurting the technology companies???

  • Podesta

    LOL! Just noticed that ‘you’re not relevant’ is the latest insult to hurl Robert’s way. Who came up with that meme and sent his minions to spread it?

  • Podesta

    LOL! Just noticed that ‘you’re not relevant’ is the latest insult to hurl Robert’s way. Who came up with that meme and sent his minions to spread it?

  • Zark

    Podesta,

    The reason the price of N95 is rarely mentioned is because N95 is usually free/dirt cheap under contract (e.g. in Europe). Though, in the US you can only get it SIM free and pay the full price up front.

  • Zark

    Podesta,

    The reason the price of N95 is rarely mentioned is because N95 is usually free/dirt cheap under contract (e.g. in Europe). Though, in the US you can only get it SIM free and pay the full price up front.

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  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Podesta: Valleywag first said that that I remember. Funny, though, for someone who is “not relevant” they sure write about me a lot.

    As for whether I’m more or less relevant since leaving Microsoft. At Microsoft I interviewed one CEO in two years. Since leaving a year ago I’ve interviewed more than 100 CEOs and a presidential candidate. If that’s “not relevant” I want more of not being relevant! :-)

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Podesta: Valleywag first said that that I remember. Funny, though, for someone who is “not relevant” they sure write about me a lot.

    As for whether I’m more or less relevant since leaving Microsoft. At Microsoft I interviewed one CEO in two years. Since leaving a year ago I’ve interviewed more than 100 CEOs and a presidential candidate. If that’s “not relevant” I want more of not being relevant! :-)

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    >Salada2k: I’ve written AT LENGTH over the past two weeks about what’s inferior about the iPhone. It’s pretty obvious to me you aren’t an astute reader if you’ve missed my many posts on the topic. So, I’d rather you not read me. I want smart readers here and ones that do their homework and participate in a conversation rather than just slinging mud because their piece of kit isn’t as cool as the next guy’s. Have a good day!

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    >Salada2k: I’ve written AT LENGTH over the past two weeks about what’s inferior about the iPhone. It’s pretty obvious to me you aren’t an astute reader if you’ve missed my many posts on the topic. So, I’d rather you not read me. I want smart readers here and ones that do their homework and participate in a conversation rather than just slinging mud because their piece of kit isn’t as cool as the next guy’s. Have a good day!

  • Geoffrey

    “No one has EVER stopped me in the street for carrying around my Nokia.”

    I think that really says it all. You don’t deny the n95 has a better camera, GPS, 1200+ apps…

    you just want the cool factor.

    Admit it and be done with it. Just don’t tell us its a better phone.

  • Geoffrey

    “No one has EVER stopped me in the street for carrying around my Nokia.”

    I think that really says it all. You don’t deny the n95 has a better camera, GPS, 1200+ apps…

    you just want the cool factor.

    Admit it and be done with it. Just don’t tell us its a better phone.

  • http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/ Oliver Widder

    At the end of the day it’s just a thing you can phone with.

    See my small cartoon:
    http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/geekandpoke/2007/07/scoble-in-betwe.html

    Bye,
    Oliver

  • http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/ Oliver Widder

    At the end of the day it’s just a thing you can phone with.

    See my small cartoon:
    http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/geekandpoke/2007/07/scoble-in-betwe.html

    Bye,
    Oliver

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Geoffrey: Coolness has SOMETHING to do with it, yes.

    But it is a superior phone, too. But I’m done arguing with you guys. You aren’t here for a conversation about why, you’re just here to “win” an argument. Hint: having a GPS, a better camera, video, 3G networks, and all that doesn’t MATTER to having a better phone experience.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Geoffrey: Coolness has SOMETHING to do with it, yes.

    But it is a superior phone, too. But I’m done arguing with you guys. You aren’t here for a conversation about why, you’re just here to “win” an argument. Hint: having a GPS, a better camera, video, 3G networks, and all that doesn’t MATTER to having a better phone experience.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Oliver: heheh, I was just telling Patrick that when I was his age in 1977 we used to argue about Apple II’s vs. Mainframes. :-)

    Come to think of it, the conversations were extremely similar to the ones we’re having today.

    And the end result will be the same, too.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Oliver: heheh, I was just telling Patrick that when I was his age in 1977 we used to argue about Apple II’s vs. Mainframes. :-)

    Come to think of it, the conversations were extremely similar to the ones we’re having today.

    And the end result will be the same, too.

  • Geoffrey

    scoble,

    You haven’t until now, addressed anything I’ve said, so you can’t tell me you’re done arguing :) . Plus, I’m not here to win – there are two things I’d like to point out, that’s all.

    Choose the iphone, there are plenty of good reasons and I don’t deny it… certainly coolness is an acceptable factor.

    The first thing that annoyed me was your statement that the iphone offered a ‘better picture taking experience’.

    In the real world, Robert, believe it or not, the PICTURE is part of the “picture taking experience”… so the result matters.

    I don’t care how great it feels to press the button, what matters is the end result. The iphone has a crappy camera… and no, “go buy a camera” isn’t a defense either… it’s an admission, by you and Steve Jobs, that they screwed up in the camera department.

    My second problem is that every reference you make to the n95 – a good, solid convergent device – is filled with backhanded compliments (GPS? “yes, I’ve used it, it takes four minutes to get a lock most of the time” – simply not true, mine locks on in 20 seconds or less, and I can demonstrate it on yours if you send me your n95 – I’ll do a video of it)… yet your blog is also filled with all kinds of excuses for the iphone (such as: “if you want a camera, buy a camera!”)

    Where’s the balance there?

    Lastly:

    Scoble said: “Hint: having a GPS, a better camera, video, 3G networks, and all that doesn’t MATTER to having a better phone experience.”

    Scoble, I bought a convergent device that does many things, mostly very well… I didn’t want just a phone…

    Is that all you bought the iphone for?

    Sorry to hear it!

  • Geoffrey

    scoble,

    You haven’t until now, addressed anything I’ve said, so you can’t tell me you’re done arguing :) . Plus, I’m not here to win – there are two things I’d like to point out, that’s all.

    Choose the iphone, there are plenty of good reasons and I don’t deny it… certainly coolness is an acceptable factor.

    The first thing that annoyed me was your statement that the iphone offered a ‘better picture taking experience’.

    In the real world, Robert, believe it or not, the PICTURE is part of the “picture taking experience”… so the result matters.

    I don’t care how great it feels to press the button, what matters is the end result. The iphone has a crappy camera… and no, “go buy a camera” isn’t a defense either… it’s an admission, by you and Steve Jobs, that they screwed up in the camera department.

    My second problem is that every reference you make to the n95 – a good, solid convergent device – is filled with backhanded compliments (GPS? “yes, I’ve used it, it takes four minutes to get a lock most of the time” – simply not true, mine locks on in 20 seconds or less, and I can demonstrate it on yours if you send me your n95 – I’ll do a video of it)… yet your blog is also filled with all kinds of excuses for the iphone (such as: “if you want a camera, buy a camera!”)

    Where’s the balance there?

    Lastly:

    Scoble said: “Hint: having a GPS, a better camera, video, 3G networks, and all that doesn’t MATTER to having a better phone experience.”

    Scoble, I bought a convergent device that does many things, mostly very well… I didn’t want just a phone…

    Is that all you bought the iphone for?

    Sorry to hear it!

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Today I raced Bart. I used my Nokia N95. He used his iPhone. My phone crashed when I first opened up the lens shade. I rebooted the phone. And started again. He was able to take a photo before my camera even booted up and showed an image.

    That’s why I said the “photo taking experience is better on the iPhone.”

    Oh, and to demonstrate you are NOT listening to me. I don’t even have an iPhone. I bought one for my wife. Get your facts straight and maybe we can have a decent conversation. I love my Nokia N95. You HAVE noticed I use it for all the pictures I take, right?

    But it is no iPhone.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Today I raced Bart. I used my Nokia N95. He used his iPhone. My phone crashed when I first opened up the lens shade. I rebooted the phone. And started again. He was able to take a photo before my camera even booted up and showed an image.

    That’s why I said the “photo taking experience is better on the iPhone.”

    Oh, and to demonstrate you are NOT listening to me. I don’t even have an iPhone. I bought one for my wife. Get your facts straight and maybe we can have a decent conversation. I love my Nokia N95. You HAVE noticed I use it for all the pictures I take, right?

    But it is no iPhone.

  • Geoffrey

    My mistake, Robert, you are right, and I did read elsewhere that you don’t own an iphone. I did not mean to suggest otherwise. But you did say in an earlier blog you were planning on buying two, so perhaps it was a reasonable confusion on my part…

    With my n95, I very rarely have crashes, and have been very pleased by the results of the n95 camera, including the fun of geocoding. I love the GPS and other functions. Every day, I bike 15 miles and the n95 records my speed, altitude, time, and maps my course to google earth! And I take pictures and answer the phone, along the way.

    I admit, I am sure I would love an iphone too, it is undoubtely a cool device.

    My offer still stands… I can get your n95 gps locked in under 20 seconds or… I dunno, did we settle on a beer?

    They are two different phones. I hope you continue to explore some of the amazing features of the n95 …

  • Geoffrey

    My mistake, Robert, you are right, and I did read elsewhere that you don’t own an iphone. I did not mean to suggest otherwise. But you did say in an earlier blog you were planning on buying two, so perhaps it was a reasonable confusion on my part…

    With my n95, I very rarely have crashes, and have been very pleased by the results of the n95 camera, including the fun of geocoding. I love the GPS and other functions. Every day, I bike 15 miles and the n95 records my speed, altitude, time, and maps my course to google earth! And I take pictures and answer the phone, along the way.

    I admit, I am sure I would love an iphone too, it is undoubtely a cool device.

    My offer still stands… I can get your n95 gps locked in under 20 seconds or… I dunno, did we settle on a beer?

    They are two different phones. I hope you continue to explore some of the amazing features of the n95 …

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  • Geoffrey

    Podesta:

    “GPS can be handy, though I found the example of using it as a Neighborhood Positioning System during one’s daily run silly. (Get Nike + iPod instead.)”

    The nike device won’t map your route to a satellitel photograph on Google Earth. Plus, now you’re using two devices, not one :)

    It maybe an unnecessary use of GPS (I used the phone to drive 2800 miles this summer, across country, where it was incredibly useful) – but it is FUN. Try it sometime… the Nokia SportsTracker.

  • Geoffrey

    Podesta:

    “GPS can be handy, though I found the example of using it as a Neighborhood Positioning System during one’s daily run silly. (Get Nike + iPod instead.)”

    The nike device won’t map your route to a satellitel photograph on Google Earth. Plus, now you’re using two devices, not one :)

    It maybe an unnecessary use of GPS (I used the phone to drive 2800 miles this summer, across country, where it was incredibly useful) – but it is FUN. Try it sometime… the Nokia SportsTracker.

  • LayZ

    @17 “Walt Mossberg, of the Wall Street Journal, called it revolutionary.”

    Mossberg wouldn’t know revolutionary if he were dropped in the middle of King Street in Boston on March 5, 1770.

    Mossberg more or less loves the last thing he’s reviewed, particularly if it comes from Apple. Hardly a “non-partisan” endorsement.

  • LayZ

    @17 “Walt Mossberg, of the Wall Street Journal, called it revolutionary.”

    Mossberg wouldn’t know revolutionary if he were dropped in the middle of King Street in Boston on March 5, 1770.

    Mossberg more or less loves the last thing he’s reviewed, particularly if it comes from Apple. Hardly a “non-partisan” endorsement.

  • cg

    Amazing how a flame war starts over smartphones. After all this is Scoble’s blog and from what I have been following he offers *some* reasons for why he thinks the iPhone is better. As the cliche goes, “To each his(or her) own”.

    My opinion? Features aren’t everything. Something to keep in mind in the seemingly endless iPhone vs N95 debates…err if they can be called debates, that is.

  • cg

    Amazing how a flame war starts over smartphones. After all this is Scoble’s blog and from what I have been following he offers *some* reasons for why he thinks the iPhone is better. As the cliche goes, “To each his(or her) own”.

    My opinion? Features aren’t everything. Something to keep in mind in the seemingly endless iPhone vs N95 debates…err if they can be called debates, that is.

  • LayZ

    “Since leaving a year ago I’ve interviewed more than 100 CEOs”

    What percentage of those CEOs are running companies that are profitable? What percentage of those CEOs are running companies with >1000 employees? Point is, anyone can start a Web 2.0 company and call themselves a CEO. Doesn’t mean they actually know how to run a business. So, unless ALL those CEOs were part of the F500, that’s really not something to necessarily brag about nor does it make for a great barometer.

  • LayZ

    “Since leaving a year ago I’ve interviewed more than 100 CEOs”

    What percentage of those CEOs are running companies that are profitable? What percentage of those CEOs are running companies with >1000 employees? Point is, anyone can start a Web 2.0 company and call themselves a CEO. Doesn’t mean they actually know how to run a business. So, unless ALL those CEOs were part of the F500, that’s really not something to necessarily brag about nor does it make for a great barometer.

  • Corrupted Mind

    I have been following this debate and felt compelled to share a quick word or two. Both my buddy and I are european “phone enthusiasts” – to be truthful we’re phone whore’s (no allegiance to any brand). To declare upfront, he currently holds an SE K800i and I’m rolling with a Nokia N93 (I think I should also make clear that – either of us could have ANY phone, bar the Vertu nonsense, and have chosen these phones on merit and lifestyle fit).

    Yesterday we had a kinda surreal discussion on the iphone – the highlights of which were:

    * The main thing is HSDPA. Not even regular 3G can keep up with my internet phone demands, and the way I see wi-fi, whereever it is available to me (work and home) a desktop or laptop is nearby. I don’t sit in coffee shops to browse the net.
    * An RSS reader, although I understand there will be apps that can do this.
    * User customisable ringtones and sms alerts. Major oversight that can be rectified by firmware upgrades I suppose.
    * No MMS is terrible. It really shows how much they only think about the US market. I send pictures all the time, email isn’t as immediate.
    * No ObEx bluetooth profile… thats like going back to GX30 Sharp days.. again, people won’t stand for it.
    * No proper Cam
    * No camcorder
    * No phone as Modem functionality.

    Both of us are considering the iphone, but as 2nd phones (dope dealer style)…

    More thoughts to add to the pot I guess (sorry about the length of post). Is my post off-topic? Damn, briefly – Robert isn’t a Nokia hater and who wouldn’t lust after a iphone – In Europe we just accept that the Nokia phone design department is where they sculpt BRICKS!!

  • Corrupted Mind

    I have been following this debate and felt compelled to share a quick word or two. Both my buddy and I are european “phone enthusiasts” – to be truthful we’re phone whore’s (no allegiance to any brand). To declare upfront, he currently holds an SE K800i and I’m rolling with a Nokia N93 (I think I should also make clear that – either of us could have ANY phone, bar the Vertu nonsense, and have chosen these phones on merit and lifestyle fit).

    Yesterday we had a kinda surreal discussion on the iphone – the highlights of which were:

    * The main thing is HSDPA. Not even regular 3G can keep up with my internet phone demands, and the way I see wi-fi, whereever it is available to me (work and home) a desktop or laptop is nearby. I don’t sit in coffee shops to browse the net.
    * An RSS reader, although I understand there will be apps that can do this.
    * User customisable ringtones and sms alerts. Major oversight that can be rectified by firmware upgrades I suppose.
    * No MMS is terrible. It really shows how much they only think about the US market. I send pictures all the time, email isn’t as immediate.
    * No ObEx bluetooth profile… thats like going back to GX30 Sharp days.. again, people won’t stand for it.
    * No proper Cam
    * No camcorder
    * No phone as Modem functionality.

    Both of us are considering the iphone, but as 2nd phones (dope dealer style)…

    More thoughts to add to the pot I guess (sorry about the length of post). Is my post off-topic? Damn, briefly – Robert isn’t a Nokia hater and who wouldn’t lust after a iphone – In Europe we just accept that the Nokia phone design department is where they sculpt BRICKS!!

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  • Steve Keriaglou

    I would have prefered a more intelligent discussion on here. I understand why Scoble’s blog was gaining more and more popularity in the beginning, it was of higher quality. Now it seems that polarizing just for the sake of it is making the blog more popular. As we all know -we can’t argue about taste. So leave ppl alone if they don’t own the cell u think they need. That goes both for Nokia and Iphone users!
    And please, when somebody states a good point acknowledge that please. Try to admit that you were wrong at a certain point. That’s exactly the reason why I think it’s not religions colliding. It is simply the inability to accept that there are also positive things about other people’s cellphones. That’s why ppl start to discuss heavily now. Acknowledge the other and it’s all good. On one hand Scoble lacks a bit the ability to admit when he was wrong; but on the other hand some of the BLOG READERS DO THAT TOO! I don’t know what Scoble’s real life occupation is, but I am pretty sure he is not a journalist. If he was he might have been more able to express that EVERY cellphone has a right to exist. He has just fallen in love with the iphone now. And we all now damn well that ppl who are heavily in love can’t get their mind changed by other ppl. So leave it! Love is blind! Alright, now I want EVERY ONE here to try and put their emotions aside- please be more objective on here. Thank you! :-)

  • Steve Keriaglou

    I would have prefered a more intelligent discussion on here. I understand why Scoble’s blog was gaining more and more popularity in the beginning, it was of higher quality. Now it seems that polarizing just for the sake of it is making the blog more popular. As we all know -we can’t argue about taste. So leave ppl alone if they don’t own the cell u think they need. That goes both for Nokia and Iphone users!
    And please, when somebody states a good point acknowledge that please. Try to admit that you were wrong at a certain point. That’s exactly the reason why I think it’s not religions colliding. It is simply the inability to accept that there are also positive things about other people’s cellphones. That’s why ppl start to discuss heavily now. Acknowledge the other and it’s all good. On one hand Scoble lacks a bit the ability to admit when he was wrong; but on the other hand some of the BLOG READERS DO THAT TOO! I don’t know what Scoble’s real life occupation is, but I am pretty sure he is not a journalist. If he was he might have been more able to express that EVERY cellphone has a right to exist. He has just fallen in love with the iphone now. And we all now damn well that ppl who are heavily in love can’t get their mind changed by other ppl. So leave it! Love is blind! Alright, now I want EVERY ONE here to try and put their emotions aside- please be more objective on here. Thank you! :-)

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