Who’s going to iPhone Dev Camp? (UPDATED)

Will iPhone Dev Camp be the hottest event of the year? Well, we waited in line to buy it, now we gotta figure out how to write JavaScript and HTML for it. Inside dig at the lack of an SDK. But I think I’ll try to bring Patrick by to film some video. He’s still over the top excited about the iPhone. Maybe this will get him to get interested in programming a bit. Anyway, it’s this weekend at Adobe Systems in San Francisco and looks like it’ll be attended by TONS of great developers.

Oh, and I hope each one of the approximately 300 attendees walks up to an Adobe employee and asks them “how’s Flash for the iPhone coming?”

I hear that many employees are sick of getting asked that. I wonder why? Heheh. I’ve also heard from tons of people that the answer is still the same and still as consistent and fast. Anyway, this is looking like a darn interesting event.

UPDATE: I just learned that no NDA will be needed this weekend.

68 thoughts on “Who’s going to iPhone Dev Camp? (UPDATED)

  1. Hey Scobleizer,

    We’ve just received news that Adobe has waived the NDA for iPhoneDevCamp. Attendees WILL NOT HAVE TO SIGN AN NDA.

    We’ve just updated the website and would appreciate it if you could help spread the word ☺

    See you at iPhoneDevCamp,
    whurley *

  2. Hey Scobleizer,

    We’ve just received news that Adobe has waived the NDA for iPhoneDevCamp. Attendees WILL NOT HAVE TO SIGN AN NDA.

    We’ve just updated the website and would appreciate it if you could help spread the word ☺

    See you at iPhoneDevCamp,
    whurley *

  3. “the loop” aside. What if every company had their own html or C++ and no one standardized. How great would the internet be???

    The same thing is happening with rich media formats and we are in DIRE NEED of standardization of at least a file format that everyone can build both publishing tools and players with.

    On one side we have Adobe saying: like uh.. uh…. we paid $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for the Macromedia IP and they did x, y, z to infect the internet with the product, ect…

    Then on the other side you have Microsoft, wanting to clone and superset TM as they do with every technology they ever see.

    Had there been a standard, Apple would have built a publishing application and a player as they did with KHTML and safari, and this problem wouldn’t be a problem.

    Can’t MS and Adobe just put aside the need for greed and just grow up for once and do what’s best for everyone?

  4. “the loop” aside. What if every company had their own html or C++ and no one standardized. How great would the internet be???

    The same thing is happening with rich media formats and we are in DIRE NEED of standardization of at least a file format that everyone can build both publishing tools and players with.

    On one side we have Adobe saying: like uh.. uh…. we paid $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for the Macromedia IP and they did x, y, z to infect the internet with the product, ect…

    Then on the other side you have Microsoft, wanting to clone and superset TM as they do with every technology they ever see.

    Had there been a standard, Apple would have built a publishing application and a player as they did with KHTML and safari, and this problem wouldn’t be a problem.

    Can’t MS and Adobe just put aside the need for greed and just grow up for once and do what’s best for everyone?

  5. The request to respect trademarked product names would not — logically — stop project development. Even that one line in Wikipedia would not support your charge of Adobe trying to stop third-party SWF development tools.

    (I am not privy to the content of any high-level cross-company discussions — am not “in the loop”. I work from the public record myself.)

    jd/adobe

  6. The request to respect trademarked product names would not — logically — stop project development. Even that one line in Wikipedia would not support your charge of Adobe trying to stop third-party SWF development tools.

    (I am not privy to the content of any high-level cross-company discussions — am not “in the loop”. I work from the public record myself.)

    jd/adobe

  7. I don’t blame John Dowdell for refusing to continue the conversation. Q: Who knows what negotiations Adobe and Apple are engaged in? A: Not a certain Scobleizer know-it-all. Dowdell is in the loop. With one exception, the rest of us here know we’re not.

  8. I don’t blame John Dowdell for refusing to continue the conversation. Q: Who knows what negotiations Adobe and Apple are engaged in? A: Not a certain Scobleizer know-it-all. Dowdell is in the loop. With one exception, the rest of us here know we’re not.

  9. Way to avoid the question Bub. You should work at Micro$oft.

    “The F4L project has halted development persuant to copyright issues regarding the “Flash” product name and other trademark oriented issues.”

    I did in fact read about this on mailing lists. No developer halts their own project due to self inflicted copyright and trademark violations. OK? That’s just reality.

    This was actually part of a greater statement of why flash, silverlight, and other vector media formats should be flushed in favor of standardization. Where are the ISO/ANSI specs for Adobe’s formats?

    Is Adobe ready to give up it’s IP on the flash format for the good of Open Source? So everyone can use it as a generic format for creating web media? Can FOSS developers liberally use Macromedia’s flash formats to create development tools for them? Can Apple and other companies?

    You won’t answer this question, because you’re probably afraid to. That’s fine, but that was the greater question, and what I was getting at, not macro-managing issues of lesser importance.

  10. Way to avoid the question Bub. You should work at Micro$oft.

    “The F4L project has halted development persuant to copyright issues regarding the “Flash” product name and other trademark oriented issues.”

    I did in fact read about this on mailing lists. No developer halts their own project due to self inflicted copyright and trademark violations. OK? That’s just reality.

    This was actually part of a greater statement of why flash, silverlight, and other vector media formats should be flushed in favor of standardization. Where are the ISO/ANSI specs for Adobe’s formats?

    Is Adobe ready to give up it’s IP on the flash format for the good of Open Source? So everyone can use it as a generic format for creating web media? Can FOSS developers liberally use Macromedia’s flash formats to create development tools for them? Can Apple and other companies?

    You won’t answer this question, because you’re probably afraid to. That’s fine, but that was the greater question, and what I was getting at, not macro-managing issues of lesser importance.

  11. http://www.google.com/patents?lr=&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=1&as_miny_ap=2007&as_maxm_ap=1&as_maxy_ap=2007&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=2007&as_maxm_is=1&as_maxy_is=2007&q=inassignee%3Amacromedia+format&btnG=Search+Patents
    I do not see a patent for the macromedia flash format such as the MS asf patent:
    http://www.google.com/patents?id=kY57AAAAEBAJ&dq=assignee:microsoft+asf

    Are you saying definitively that the swf format has no intellectual property rights associated with it? That it’s not patented, and that essentially FOSS can build a swf creator without any liability?

    Is that what you are saying?

    If so I would agree that a new format is not necessary. Otherwise it really is.

    On the Apple note, that doc published to iPhone developers is definitive.
    I do not think Adobe should use hapless developers as their army of complaint pawns against Apple by making them think that they should use flash on an unsupported platform in order to force Apple into supporting it.
    If adobe does that, at least compensate them as marketers. By compensate, I mean pay them for their time.

  12. http://www.google.com/patents?lr=&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=1&as_miny_ap=2007&as_maxm_ap=1&as_maxy_ap=2007&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=2007&as_maxm_is=1&as_maxy_is=2007&q=inassignee%3Amacromedia+format&btnG=Search+Patents
    I do not see a patent for the macromedia flash format such as the MS asf patent:
    http://www.google.com/patents?id=kY57AAAAEBAJ&dq=assignee:microsoft+asf

    Are you saying definitively that the swf format has no intellectual property rights associated with it? That it’s not patented, and that essentially FOSS can build a swf creator without any liability?

    Is that what you are saying?

    If so I would agree that a new format is not necessary. Otherwise it really is.

    On the Apple note, that doc published to iPhone developers is definitive.
    I do not think Adobe should use hapless developers as their army of complaint pawns against Apple by making them think that they should use flash on an unsupported platform in order to force Apple into supporting it.
    If adobe does that, at least compensate them as marketers. By compensate, I mean pay them for their time.

  13. re: “adobe sues opensource flash builders”

    The Wikipedia link provided says nothing of the sort. If it did, you’d then be in a situation of “someone wrote it into wikipedia so it must be true”. Charges were baseless.

    (I wish the Apple docs had used proper identifiers, and a little more savvy… might be talking about “Adobe Flash Player” for laptops, or “Adobe Flash Lite” for mobile, or even a camera flash, it’s vague. That article also seemed to be pushing browser-specific, device-specific pages… fine by me, but other people might object.)

    jd/adobe

  14. re: “adobe sues opensource flash builders”

    The Wikipedia link provided says nothing of the sort. If it did, you’d then be in a situation of “someone wrote it into wikipedia so it must be true”. Charges were baseless.

    (I wish the Apple docs had used proper identifiers, and a little more savvy… might be talking about “Adobe Flash Player” for laptops, or “Adobe Flash Lite” for mobile, or even a camera flash, it’s vague. That article also seemed to be pushing browser-specific, device-specific pages… fine by me, but other people might object.)

    jd/adobe

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