Kyte.tv vs. PodTech.net (Adobe announces new Flash player)

We’re about to watch a HD-DVD movie so I thought I’d bang out a little post about Kyte vs. PodTech, since that’s what I’ve been playing with lately.

Why mention the HD-DVD? Well, I am happy that I picked HD-DVD as my home format since today DreamWorks and Paramount said they’d support that format exclusively. I remember when Chris Coulter argued with me about this, saying the movie studios would go exclusively Blue-ray. I love it when he turns out to be wrong. It doesn’t happen that often.

Anyway, that takes me to what I’ve been doing at work. Playing with video. Heck, it’s my job.

UPDATE: Adobe just announced a new Flash player that lets you play H.264 files. Richard MacManus has the details on that announcement. Since Flash is used by both PodTech and Kyte (and many other video distributors like YouTube and Blip) this will probably have a big impact on the future of video on the Web. UPDATE2: Ryan Stewart links to the best reports on this topic and talks about what it means. Anyway, back to the comparison of Podtech vs. Kyte.

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So, I did this interview a week ago in Seattle with Elliot Soloway. He’s the teacher who had Larry Page in his classroom. This is probably my best interview, at least according to my email. You really responded to this one, which is about how to improve the educational system. Anyway, today we put up the other recording of this interview and you get to see how I record my Kyte.tv shows. Which leads me to the point of this post:

Here’s a good place to compare Kyte.tv with PodTech.net.

First, here’s Soloway’s interview on PodTech. And here it is on Kyte. Actually the Kyte one was split into two parts cause you can’t put more than 20 minutes up on it. So here’s the second part.

The first thing you’ll notice is that you really can’t compare Kyte to PodTech. It’s like comparing Apples to Oranges. But why let that stand in the way? Heheh.

CAN YOU UPLOAD?

PodTech: no.
Kyte: yes.

This is an important distinction. Kyte is participatory while PodTech is solely a media distribution system. Do note that you can upload your own video to my Kyte channel, or you can open your own. Click “Produce on this Channel” to record your own video and start a conversation with me.

CAN YOU CHAT?

PodTech: no.
Kyte: yes.

Kyte’s real magic is in the chat room. It’s open 24 hours a day and you can say anything you want. But unlike the chat room on other places like on Justin.tv or Ustream.tv, you can not just type text, but can record audio and video to the chat room too. This is a HUGE reason why I am using Kyte instead of Ustream or Justin.tv.

CAN YOU WATCH ON APPLE TV/IPHONE/MEDIA CENTER/IPOD/ZUNE?

PodTech: yes.
Kyte: no.

A lot of you who watch my show do it by subscribing to my RSS feed and downloading my show in MPG4 format to your various devices. Since Kyte is Flash based and my show on PodTech is both Flash and MPG4 based you can only view PodTech stuff on your devices.

WHICH ONE IS BETTER QUALITY?

PodTech is, by far. Why? Because Rocky (my editor) brings my video into Final Cut Pro in near HD quality levels, edits it there, and then exports it to MPG4. This process takes a LOT longer than Kyte, but results in MUCH higher quality that you can see if you watch both videos. Oh, if you want to watch my ScobleShow videos in the best quality possible, you’ll want to download them. Look for the little “Download this” video. The “Video” file (here’s the one for Elliot Soloway’s interview) is much better quality than the one that plays in the player that’s embedded above.

WHICH ONE WORKS ON MY NOKIA N95?

Both do, but with Kyte you can also upload your own videos and you can chat. PodTech looks better, though, due to the higher quality compression and techniques that we use.

WHICH PLAYER LOOKS NICER ON YOUR BLOG?

Well, I think the Kyte one looks sort of goofy. They are redesigning it, Kyte’s CEO told me today. But for now PodTech wins.

CAN YOU USE EITHER ON FACEBOOK?

PodTech: No.
Kyte: Yes.

Kyte’s Facebook integration is quite nice. Gives you the exact same stuff that their Web client gives you. And integrates into your mini-feed on your profile page so your visitors know when you’ve done a new Kyte video.

CAN YOU UPLOAD WITHIN FIVE MINUTES OF FINISHING A RECORDING?

PodTech: No.
Kyte: Yes.

Remember yesterday when I was recording the HP Garage? That video was available for you to watch within five minutes of me hitting “stop” on the recorder. The same video on PodTech? Will take hours. Why? I have to hook my camera up to my computer. I have to rewind the tape. That takes a few minutes. Then I have to open up Final Cut Pro on my Mac. Then I have to hit record, which starts the tape playing. Now I have to wait an hour, if I recorded for an hour. Now I need to edit. PodTech puts a couple of things onto the beginning and ending of a video. Even if I don’t do any other editing that process still takes a few minutes. Now I need to save/export/compress the video. That takes more than an hour. Sometimes more than two hours. Even on a really expensive Mac Pro with lots of RAM and the fastest hard drives and processors available. So, fastest possible turnaround time for PodTech is more than two hours and probably more. Kyte? Less than five minutes. Just hit “stop.” Write a headline. Write a few tags. Hit “broadcast.” If you’re on a fast network it goes even faster. Often I’m up and running within one minute of hitting “stop.”

WHAT ABOUT CONTROL FOR ADVERTISERS

PodTech: yes.
Kyte: no.

This is a major reason to build your own media distribution system like we have at PodTech. Inserting an advertisement? Possible on PodTech but not easily doable on Kyte. Keeping track of every little referer? Possible on PodTech, but Kyte gives very little detail and what it does give you is open to the public to see (like you can tell how many people are watching now, how many referering URLs there are).

CAN YOU USE IT ON A MOBILE PHONE

PodTech: you can watch, not share.
Kyte: yes (but only on some phones, iPhones, for instance, can’t record video).

This is the reason I kept my Nokia N95. If you load the Kyte mobile app you can upload video, watch video, participate in the chat (using text/audio/or video) and more.

CAN YOU EMBED EITHER ON WORDPRESS.COM?

PodTech: yes.
Kyte: yes.

Embedding stuff makes it more likely other bloggers will use it because it doesn’t require sending your users off to another site. Lately I’ve noticed that bloggers are being selfish with their traffic and are linking to things a lot less often.

CONCLUSION

I’ll continue using both, but thought you’d find the comparison interesting because Kyte just got funded by Nokia and is doing some of the most interesting stuff out there.

I love Kyte and will keep using it for the reasons above. I’m still on blog vacation, so maybe at a future time I’ll compare Kyte to YouTube and the really nice Facebook video app, among others.

What do you think? Which video system is getting your attention? Why?

Any others out there that should get my attention?

OK, Maryam, let’s start the movie now. Who wants some popcorn? Yummy!

77 thoughts on “Kyte.tv vs. PodTech.net (Adobe announces new Flash player)

  1. i was wondering wether or not the fact that i just updated my shockwave player and flash player efects the kyte player ? becuase the website as far as i know isnt orking since i installed them or one of them.I just get that little box with the square circle and triangle. Could someone help me with this problem please ?

  2. i was wondering wether or not the fact that i just updated my shockwave player and flash player efects the kyte player ? becuase the website as far as i know isnt orking since i installed them or one of them.I just get that little box with the square circle and triangle. Could someone help me with this problem please ?

  3. Blu-Ray leading HD-DVD 2:1, which makes this move inquisitive, but there are advantages and disadvantages to each arrangement we seeing in our family. I agree with you whole heartedly that voice is far more powerful than text. That is one of the actually cool things. Pleasant talking with you the other night.

  4. Blu-Ray leading HD-DVD 2:1, which makes this move inquisitive, but there are advantages and disadvantages to each arrangement we seeing in our family. I agree with you whole heartedly that voice is far more powerful than text. That is one of the actually cool things. Pleasant talking with you the other night.

  5. I know this is old but I can’t help in finding humor in the HD-DVD VS Blu-Ray comments. What are you going to do with your HD-DVD now, Robert?

  6. I know this is old but I can’t help in finding humor in the HD-DVD VS Blu-Ray comments. What are you going to do with your HD-DVD now, Robert?

  7. Almost all of the comparisons you make where podtech loses have no relevance to the viewer. The viewer doesn’t care how long it takes to upload a video of if they can upload a video, I might even add that the viewer doesn’t care how advertisers interact with the player (a case where podtech wins but maybe from the viewers pov podtech loses). The things a viewer cares about is being informed/entertained and audio/video quality and a small percentage is interested in interaction. Almost everything else you mention here is irrelevant to the audience. Which is where you should start with any comparison, because without an audience you got nothin.

  8. Almost all of the comparisons you make where podtech loses have no relevance to the viewer. The viewer doesn’t care how long it takes to upload a video of if they can upload a video, I might even add that the viewer doesn’t care how advertisers interact with the player (a case where podtech wins but maybe from the viewers pov podtech loses). The things a viewer cares about is being informed/entertained and audio/video quality and a small percentage is interested in interaction. Almost everything else you mention here is irrelevant to the audience. Which is where you should start with any comparison, because without an audience you got nothin.

  9. Siamak: thanks. I’ve been getting many of the same kind of feedback from many of my readers. I’m not going to allow attacks to survive here anymore and am moving my comments to “living room” rules. IE, if I wouldn’t put up with it in my living room it wouldn’t be allowed to stand up here.

  10. Siamak: thanks. I’ve been getting many of the same kind of feedback from many of my readers. I’m not going to allow attacks to survive here anymore and am moving my comments to “living room” rules. IE, if I wouldn’t put up with it in my living room it wouldn’t be allowed to stand up here.

  11. Robert, I am so happy you are finally considering filtering out LayZ’s comments. I have no idea why you have been bothering to reply to his constant nitpickings. He doesn’t know how to behave in public and his large ego makes him wants to prove how much smarter he is than top blogger Robert Scoble and the more you reply to his comments, the more you encourage him and others like him.

    You have been incredibly patient with him till now. If you really hate the idea of imposing even such a limited form of censorship, please try to ignore him, but I know that I would have a very tough time doing so.

    If you don’t start disallowing LayZ from commenting here or don’t learn to ignore him completely, the danger is that either you will turn off commenting for all your readers or even worse you might get so fed up that you will quit blogging.

    I and many others love your blog and find it highly informative and entertaining. Please do not let a few rude people amongst your audience to destroy this wonderful blog. Remember, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few!

  12. Robert, I am so happy you are finally considering filtering out LayZ’s comments. I have no idea why you have been bothering to reply to his constant nitpickings. He doesn’t know how to behave in public and his large ego makes him wants to prove how much smarter he is than top blogger Robert Scoble and the more you reply to his comments, the more you encourage him and others like him.

    You have been incredibly patient with him till now. If you really hate the idea of imposing even such a limited form of censorship, please try to ignore him, but I know that I would have a very tough time doing so.

    If you don’t start disallowing LayZ from commenting here or don’t learn to ignore him completely, the danger is that either you will turn off commenting for all your readers or even worse you might get so fed up that you will quit blogging.

    I and many others love your blog and find it highly informative and entertaining. Please do not let a few rude people amongst your audience to destroy this wonderful blog. Remember, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few!

  13. @29 For the near term the winner will likely continue to be plain ol’ DVD. Consumers will sit back and wait as long as they can continue to buy the old format. Price will win out and given that DVD players are very cheap now, it’s unlikely Joe Sixpack will be going out and making a $500-$800 bet on one format or the other.

  14. @29 For the near term the winner will likely continue to be plain ol’ DVD. Consumers will sit back and wait as long as they can continue to buy the old format. Price will win out and given that DVD players are very cheap now, it’s unlikely Joe Sixpack will be going out and making a $500-$800 bet on one format or the other.

  15. LayZ: we’re talking about two different things.

    One distribution method has a cost involved. Bluray and HD-DVD players are expensive so most people will only buy one.

    But Web distribution methods? They are all free to you.

    Not the same thing.

    I really don’t care which Web video distribution method you use as long as I can watch your video.

    But if you make me buy another player to watch your movie? Yeah, I’ll care about that.

    In the long run, though, the format wars go away. One of my friends gets all his movies from Bittorrent.

  16. LayZ: we’re talking about two different things.

    One distribution method has a cost involved. Bluray and HD-DVD players are expensive so most people will only buy one.

    But Web distribution methods? They are all free to you.

    Not the same thing.

    I really don’t care which Web video distribution method you use as long as I can watch your video.

    But if you make me buy another player to watch your movie? Yeah, I’ll care about that.

    In the long run, though, the format wars go away. One of my friends gets all his movies from Bittorrent.

  17. A pay-off and you are saying winner? I doubt they will make it beyond 10 months, reaction has been seriously bitter.

    The NY Times has confirmed via two Viacom executives, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, that Paramount has received a $150M pay-off to support HD DVD exclusively for a period of 18 months. The $150M is comprised of cash and future marketing deals. Also re-confirmed is that the deal includes no films directed by Steven Spielberg.

    ———–

    “Paramount pisses me off!”, Michael Bay says, “I want people to see my movies in the best formats possible. For them to deny people who have Blu-ray sucks! They were progressive by having two formats. No Transformers 2 for me!”

  18. A pay-off and you are saying winner? I doubt they will make it beyond 10 months, reaction has been seriously bitter.

    The NY Times has confirmed via two Viacom executives, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, that Paramount has received a $150M pay-off to support HD DVD exclusively for a period of 18 months. The $150M is comprised of cash and future marketing deals. Also re-confirmed is that the deal includes no films directed by Steven Spielberg.

    ———–

    “Paramount pisses me off!”, Michael Bay says, “I want people to see my movies in the best formats possible. For them to deny people who have Blu-ray sucks! They were progressive by having two formats. No Transformers 2 for me!”

  19. I am not wrong. Most have already gone Blu-Ray. Paramount will come around, you just wait, the $150M bout-out only extended the format wars for another year or so. Losers are the customers.

    5 major studios vs. one, and double the sales with Blockbuster going only Blu…what will you bet on? Man, stay away from Vegas or the stock market, with your picks. You did notice in that “exclusive” the Spielberg exception clause? Interesting, eh?

    But really why do you care so much? Get a hybrid and be insured against all the insanity.

  20. I am not wrong. Most have already gone Blu-Ray. Paramount will come around, you just wait, the $150M bout-out only extended the format wars for another year or so. Losers are the customers.

    5 major studios vs. one, and double the sales with Blockbuster going only Blu…what will you bet on? Man, stay away from Vegas or the stock market, with your picks. You did notice in that “exclusive” the Spielberg exception clause? Interesting, eh?

    But really why do you care so much? Get a hybrid and be insured against all the insanity.

  21. @24 “When you watch Lost do you care how that got to you? No.

    WTF? Then why the hell do you care that Dreamworks went with HD-DVD? Why the hell do you care if your HD TV monitor supports 1080p or not? Why the hell do people bitch about the quality of DirecTV’s HD signal? Why the hell do football fans want EVERY NFL game broadcast in HD? Because they DO CARE how a program gets to them

    Since you don’t care how a program gets to you, can we have no more whining about not getting HD content through your cable or satellite provider?

  22. @24 “When you watch Lost do you care how that got to you? No.

    WTF? Then why the hell do you care that Dreamworks went with HD-DVD? Why the hell do you care if your HD TV monitor supports 1080p or not? Why the hell do people bitch about the quality of DirecTV’s HD signal? Why the hell do football fans want EVERY NFL game broadcast in HD? Because they DO CARE how a program gets to them

    Since you don’t care how a program gets to you, can we have no more whining about not getting HD content through your cable or satellite provider?

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