Kyte.tv vs. PodTech.net (Adobe announces new Flash player)

August 20, 2007 By

We’re about to watch a HD-DVD movie so I thought I’d bang out a little post about Kyte vs. PodTech, since that’s what I’ve been playing with lately.

Why mention the HD-DVD? Well, I am happy that I picked HD-DVD as my home format since today DreamWorks and Paramount said they’d support that format exclusively. I remember when Chris Coulter argued with me about this, saying the movie studios would go exclusively Blue-ray. I love it when he turns out to be wrong. It doesn’t happen that often.

Anyway, that takes me to what I’ve been doing at work. Playing with video. Heck, it’s my job.

UPDATE: Adobe just announced a new Flash player that lets you play H.264 files. Richard MacManus has the details on that announcement. Since Flash is used by both PodTech and Kyte (and many other video distributors like YouTube and Blip) this will probably have a big impact on the future of video on the Web. UPDATE2: Ryan Stewart links to the best reports on this topic and talks about what it means. Anyway, back to the comparison of Podtech vs. Kyte.

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So, I did this interview a week ago in Seattle with Elliot Soloway. He’s the teacher who had Larry Page in his classroom. This is probably my best interview, at least according to my email. You really responded to this one, which is about how to improve the educational system. Anyway, today we put up the other recording of this interview and you get to see how I record my Kyte.tv shows. Which leads me to the point of this post:

Here’s a good place to compare Kyte.tv with PodTech.net.

First, here’s Soloway’s interview on PodTech. And here it is on Kyte. Actually the Kyte one was split into two parts cause you can’t put more than 20 minutes up on it. So here’s the second part.

The first thing you’ll notice is that you really can’t compare Kyte to PodTech. It’s like comparing Apples to Oranges. But why let that stand in the way? Heheh.

CAN YOU UPLOAD?

PodTech: no.
Kyte: yes.

This is an important distinction. Kyte is participatory while PodTech is solely a media distribution system. Do note that you can upload your own video to my Kyte channel, or you can open your own. Click “Produce on this Channel” to record your own video and start a conversation with me.

CAN YOU CHAT?

PodTech: no.
Kyte: yes.

Kyte’s real magic is in the chat room. It’s open 24 hours a day and you can say anything you want. But unlike the chat room on other places like on Justin.tv or Ustream.tv, you can not just type text, but can record audio and video to the chat room too. This is a HUGE reason why I am using Kyte instead of Ustream or Justin.tv.

CAN YOU WATCH ON APPLE TV/IPHONE/MEDIA CENTER/IPOD/ZUNE?

PodTech: yes.
Kyte: no.

A lot of you who watch my show do it by subscribing to my RSS feed and downloading my show in MPG4 format to your various devices. Since Kyte is Flash based and my show on PodTech is both Flash and MPG4 based you can only view PodTech stuff on your devices.

WHICH ONE IS BETTER QUALITY?

PodTech is, by far. Why? Because Rocky (my editor) brings my video into Final Cut Pro in near HD quality levels, edits it there, and then exports it to MPG4. This process takes a LOT longer than Kyte, but results in MUCH higher quality that you can see if you watch both videos. Oh, if you want to watch my ScobleShow videos in the best quality possible, you’ll want to download them. Look for the little “Download this” video. The “Video” file (here’s the one for Elliot Soloway’s interview) is much better quality than the one that plays in the player that’s embedded above.

WHICH ONE WORKS ON MY NOKIA N95?

Both do, but with Kyte you can also upload your own videos and you can chat. PodTech looks better, though, due to the higher quality compression and techniques that we use.

WHICH PLAYER LOOKS NICER ON YOUR BLOG?

Well, I think the Kyte one looks sort of goofy. They are redesigning it, Kyte’s CEO told me today. But for now PodTech wins.

CAN YOU USE EITHER ON FACEBOOK?

PodTech: No.
Kyte: Yes.

Kyte’s Facebook integration is quite nice. Gives you the exact same stuff that their Web client gives you. And integrates into your mini-feed on your profile page so your visitors know when you’ve done a new Kyte video.

CAN YOU UPLOAD WITHIN FIVE MINUTES OF FINISHING A RECORDING?

PodTech: No.
Kyte: Yes.

Remember yesterday when I was recording the HP Garage? That video was available for you to watch within five minutes of me hitting “stop” on the recorder. The same video on PodTech? Will take hours. Why? I have to hook my camera up to my computer. I have to rewind the tape. That takes a few minutes. Then I have to open up Final Cut Pro on my Mac. Then I have to hit record, which starts the tape playing. Now I have to wait an hour, if I recorded for an hour. Now I need to edit. PodTech puts a couple of things onto the beginning and ending of a video. Even if I don’t do any other editing that process still takes a few minutes. Now I need to save/export/compress the video. That takes more than an hour. Sometimes more than two hours. Even on a really expensive Mac Pro with lots of RAM and the fastest hard drives and processors available. So, fastest possible turnaround time for PodTech is more than two hours and probably more. Kyte? Less than five minutes. Just hit “stop.” Write a headline. Write a few tags. Hit “broadcast.” If you’re on a fast network it goes even faster. Often I’m up and running within one minute of hitting “stop.”

WHAT ABOUT CONTROL FOR ADVERTISERS

PodTech: yes.
Kyte: no.

This is a major reason to build your own media distribution system like we have at PodTech. Inserting an advertisement? Possible on PodTech but not easily doable on Kyte. Keeping track of every little referer? Possible on PodTech, but Kyte gives very little detail and what it does give you is open to the public to see (like you can tell how many people are watching now, how many referering URLs there are).

CAN YOU USE IT ON A MOBILE PHONE

PodTech: you can watch, not share.
Kyte: yes (but only on some phones, iPhones, for instance, can’t record video).

This is the reason I kept my Nokia N95. If you load the Kyte mobile app you can upload video, watch video, participate in the chat (using text/audio/or video) and more.

CAN YOU EMBED EITHER ON WORDPRESS.COM?

PodTech: yes.
Kyte: yes.

Embedding stuff makes it more likely other bloggers will use it because it doesn’t require sending your users off to another site. Lately I’ve noticed that bloggers are being selfish with their traffic and are linking to things a lot less often.

CONCLUSION

I’ll continue using both, but thought you’d find the comparison interesting because Kyte just got funded by Nokia and is doing some of the most interesting stuff out there.

I love Kyte and will keep using it for the reasons above. I’m still on blog vacation, so maybe at a future time I’ll compare Kyte to YouTube and the really nice Facebook video app, among others.

What do you think? Which video system is getting your attention? Why?

Any others out there that should get my attention?

OK, Maryam, let’s start the movie now. Who wants some popcorn? Yummy!

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  • http://tdavid.wordpress.com/ TDavid

    Blu-Ray leading HD-DVD 2:1, which makes this move curious, but there are pros and cons to each format we seeing in our household.

    Might consider getting yourself a PS3 for Christmas (hey, it’s only four months away). There is a new puzzle game on there that I’m guessing Maryam would like.

    Then you can compare Blu-Ray to HD-DVD head to head in your own living room. I think you’ll like the picture quality at 1080p of Blu-Ray better.

  • http://tdavid.wordpress.com/ TDavid

    Blu-Ray leading HD-DVD 2:1, which makes this move curious, but there are pros and cons to each format we seeing in our household.

    Might consider getting yourself a PS3 for Christmas (hey, it’s only four months away). There is a new puzzle game on there that I’m guessing Maryam would like.

    Then you can compare Blu-Ray to HD-DVD head to head in your own living room. I think you’ll like the picture quality at 1080p of Blu-Ray better.

  • http://www.twofortyeight.com/ Sean Scott

    Robert,

    another video site which should definitely be getting a first/second look from you is ustream.com.

    It does a lot of the things you mentioned Kyte does and it can broadcast it live as well.

    Live may not be the right format for everyone, but since you don’t edit your videos, it actually maybe a very nice fit for you.

    It also has some nice chat features on it as well.

  • http://www.twofortyeight.com Sean Scott

    Robert,

    another video site which should definitely be getting a first/second look from you is ustream.com.

    It does a lot of the things you mentioned Kyte does and it can broadcast it live as well.

    Live may not be the right format for everyone, but since you don’t edit your videos, it actually maybe a very nice fit for you.

    It also has some nice chat features on it as well.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Sean: Ustream doesn’t have a chat that has audio/video/and text.

    It also doesn’t let me record before broadcasting. It’s always live.

    It also doesn’t have as nice a Facebook integration.

    It also doesn’t let me upload from my Nokia N95.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Sean: Ustream doesn’t have a chat that has audio/video/and text.

    It also doesn’t let me record before broadcasting. It’s always live.

    It also doesn’t have as nice a Facebook integration.

    It also doesn’t let me upload from my Nokia N95.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    TDavid: I compared both and can’t see the difference between either format on my TV.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    TDavid: I compared both and can’t see the difference between either format on my TV.

  • James

    Scoble, for quick edits and uploads, check out the new iMovie, its really fast for the quick job!

  • James

    Scoble, for quick edits and uploads, check out the new iMovie, its really fast for the quick job!

  • http://www.twofortyeight.com/ Sean Scott

    Robert,

    If Ustream and Kyte combined i think you would have a pretty robust offering there.

    I’ve been a “regular” in your Kyte.tv room, and feel the interrupted video take a away from what the experience could be were you broadcasting live. sure it’s easier for you because of your n95, but when you are sitting at a coffee shop or at home broadcasting how hard is it to use your webcam. If you have a powerbook that’s built-in.

    As for the audio/video part of the chat at this point because of the lack of context i look at these at nice little gadget but of little use. Imagine your chatroom if folks only replied with video or text. You’d have to go through every single one to get a sense of content and threads.

    I think it comes down to personal choice and preference. I’m not really sold on either right now. Leaning towards Ustream because of the webcam integration and live component.

  • http://www.twofortyeight.com Sean Scott

    Robert,

    If Ustream and Kyte combined i think you would have a pretty robust offering there.

    I’ve been a “regular” in your Kyte.tv room, and feel the interrupted video take a away from what the experience could be were you broadcasting live. sure it’s easier for you because of your n95, but when you are sitting at a coffee shop or at home broadcasting how hard is it to use your webcam. If you have a powerbook that’s built-in.

    As for the audio/video part of the chat at this point because of the lack of context i look at these at nice little gadget but of little use. Imagine your chatroom if folks only replied with video or text. You’d have to go through every single one to get a sense of content and threads.

    I think it comes down to personal choice and preference. I’m not really sold on either right now. Leaning towards Ustream because of the webcam integration and live component.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Sean: I’d love to have Kyte have a live capability too, but personally I hated being always on and always live. With Kyte I have one edit point: when I decide whether or not to broadcast the video or not. I’ve used it several times when my videos have sucked or someone gets involved that doesn’t want to have their face broadcast. See Dave Winer’s point today: http://www.scripting.com/stories/2007/08/20/videoCamerasDay2.html

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Sean: I’d love to have Kyte have a live capability too, but personally I hated being always on and always live. With Kyte I have one edit point: when I decide whether or not to broadcast the video or not. I’ve used it several times when my videos have sucked or someone gets involved that doesn’t want to have their face broadcast. See Dave Winer’s point today: http://www.scripting.com/stories/2007/08/20/videoCamerasDay2.html

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Sean: the reason I like the audio chat is because I can do it from my cell phone. I hate typing on my cell phone. Talking to you live is a lot easier.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Sean: the reason I like the audio chat is because I can do it from my cell phone. I hate typing on my cell phone. Talking to you live is a lot easier.

  • http://www.twofortyeight.com/ Sean Scott

    Robert: point taken. Recorded video affords you those precious few moments of scarcity and control over your content. However with Ijustin and Ijustine of the world, and the fact that we’re constantly connected, is being constantly broadcast really that far off?

    And i agree with you whole heartedly that voice is far more powerefull than text. I’m actually working on an app to add context to voice. That’s all i can say now. :)

    Thanx for engaging

  • http://www.twofortyeight.com Sean Scott

    Robert: point taken. Recorded video affords you those precious few moments of scarcity and control over your content. However with Ijustin and Ijustine of the world, and the fact that we’re constantly connected, is being constantly broadcast really that far off?

    And i agree with you whole heartedly that voice is far more powerefull than text. I’m actually working on an app to add context to voice. That’s all i can say now. :)

    Thanx for engaging

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  • http://www.socialset.net/ Nicholas Butler

    Robert,
    Thanks for posting this , let me get my recent Video comparison blog entry pimpage out of the way

    http://www.oreillygmt.eu/2007/08/comparison-of-o.html

    Now lets talk Kyte.tv.
    First, it was your adoption of the technology that lead me to Kyte.tv and from there to consider what it offers to the producer of content. Of all the sites I have played with Kyte.tv feels like a site where you can publish content that fits within the Microformat media genre. I have often compared it to the twitter of Video Blogging. At first I kinda bridled to the lack of Live content and then it “clicked” as to why this is actually a feature and a value add to this content. Why ? Well because the chance to stop and redo an idea increases the likelihood that I will stop in and create. So your thoughts on that reflected my own and it was interesting to see the different sides to the same coin in that realisation.

    Now Adobe.
    If Windows has Windows Media Player, and Macs have Quicktime and Linux has Totem then the Internet has Flash Video Player. I have bounced this idle speculation around before but Adobe seem to be keen to embrace and extend their own technology to incorporate support for more formats and platforms. Adobe seem to becoming the media player for the Internet and thats a very strong position to have ownership of in the long term.

    Thats all for now thanks for the post and thanks for taking time to do it.

  • http://www.socialset.net Nicholas Butler

    Robert,
    Thanks for posting this , let me get my recent Video comparison blog entry pimpage out of the way

    http://www.oreillygmt.eu/2007/08/comparison-of-o.html

    Now lets talk Kyte.tv.
    First, it was your adoption of the technology that lead me to Kyte.tv and from there to consider what it offers to the producer of content. Of all the sites I have played with Kyte.tv feels like a site where you can publish content that fits within the Microformat media genre. I have often compared it to the twitter of Video Blogging. At first I kinda bridled to the lack of Live content and then it “clicked” as to why this is actually a feature and a value add to this content. Why ? Well because the chance to stop and redo an idea increases the likelihood that I will stop in and create. So your thoughts on that reflected my own and it was interesting to see the different sides to the same coin in that realisation.

    Now Adobe.
    If Windows has Windows Media Player, and Macs have Quicktime and Linux has Totem then the Internet has Flash Video Player. I have bounced this idle speculation around before but Adobe seem to be keen to embrace and extend their own technology to incorporate support for more formats and platforms. Adobe seem to becoming the media player for the Internet and thats a very strong position to have ownership of in the long term.

    Thats all for now thanks for the post and thanks for taking time to do it.

  • http://www.facereviews.com/ Rodney Rumford

    Robert,
    Nice comparison of the 2. I happen to love Kyte and the things that they are doing. Daniel their CEO is a great guy as well. I did not realize they are redesigning their player. I hope it does not screw up my blog where i have it. ;)

    http://www.facereviews.com

    Just did a video review on my Kyte channel with slides of the facebook app on an iPhone simulator. I also like the fact that I can roll slide shows, transitions, embed links, embed logos and video all in ONE screen with Kyte. Nice multimedia experience in my opinion.

    That is one of the really cool things. Nice talking with you the other night. Take care.
    Rodney Rumford

  • http://www.facereviews.com Rodney Rumford

    Robert,
    Nice comparison of the 2. I happen to love Kyte and the things that they are doing. Daniel their CEO is a great guy as well. I did not realize they are redesigning their player. I hope it does not screw up my blog where i have it. ;)

    http://www.facereviews.com

    Just did a video review on my Kyte channel with slides of the facebook app on an iPhone simulator. I also like the fact that I can roll slide shows, transitions, embed links, embed logos and video all in ONE screen with Kyte. Nice multimedia experience in my opinion.

    That is one of the really cool things. Nice talking with you the other night. Take care.
    Rodney Rumford

  • http://www.kyte.tv/fredkruegerschannel Marius

    Robert,
    A good comparison about those two services.

    You are already used to the new chatting features:
    Video/Audio chat instead of text chat is way more powerful!

  • http://www.kyte.tv/fredkruegerschannel Marius

    Robert,
    A good comparison about those two services.

    You are already used to the new chatting features:
    Video/Audio chat instead of text chat is way more powerful!

  • http://www.trendmatcher.nl/ Trendmatcher

    Which video system is getting your attention?
    Operator11.com is great! We use it a lot in the Netherlands to broadcast our own shows. What’s so good about is is that while live you can switch to other users and “give them teh camera”.
    I just got a http://www.mogulus.com/ account but cannot say much about it yet.
    I think Operator11 wins…

  • http://www.trendmatcher.nl Trendmatcher

    Which video system is getting your attention?
    Operator11.com is great! We use it a lot in the Netherlands to broadcast our own shows. What’s so good about is is that while live you can switch to other users and “give them teh camera”.
    I just got a http://www.mogulus.com/ account but cannot say much about it yet.
    I think Operator11 wins…

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  • http://www.oursheet.com/ Mario Ruiz

    Hi Robert,

    I also use WordPress. Let me take a different point of refference to make my point.

    I like Kyte rather than YouTube.

    1. Seems cleaner
    2. Seems a better breed of video tool
    3. Seems more professional in format

    The advantage of YouTube today is the amount of plugins we have.

    Mario Ruiz
    @ http://www.oursheet.com

  • http://www.oursheet.com Mario Ruiz

    Hi Robert,

    I also use WordPress. Let me take a different point of refference to make my point.

    I like Kyte rather than YouTube.

    1. Seems cleaner
    2. Seems a better breed of video tool
    3. Seems more professional in format

    The advantage of YouTube today is the amount of plugins we have.

    Mario Ruiz
    @ http://www.oursheet.com

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  • http://mndoci.com/ Deepak

    I am using Kyte.tv to supplement my blogging and online presence. It has the capability of providing very interesting real time feedback and for me to discuss things with a different audience. I definitely find it to be the most effective of all the platforms out there, at least for me. Picked it up after your interview on Podtech and I am glad I did.

  • http://mndoci.com Deepak

    I am using Kyte.tv to supplement my blogging and online presence. It has the capability of providing very interesting real time feedback and for me to discuss things with a different audience. I definitely find it to be the most effective of all the platforms out there, at least for me. Picked it up after your interview on Podtech and I am glad I did.

  • Jonb

    Your Soloway interview was excellent. Excellent comparison of Kyte and Podtech. Questions: Do you think audio only podcasts, like IT conversations, will eventually go away and be replaced by video? I don’t think a static head and shoulders video of an interview adds much. And who has time to watch hours of that video? You can listen to an audio podcast while driving, commuting, exercising, etc. At least, PodTech should have a button for .mp3 download. Or do you think flash memory is so cheap, why bother with having both .mp3 and .mp4 downloads? Also, consider that the cheap players only play .mp3′s.

  • Jonb

    Your Soloway interview was excellent. Excellent comparison of Kyte and Podtech. Questions: Do you think audio only podcasts, like IT conversations, will eventually go away and be replaced by video? I don’t think a static head and shoulders video of an interview adds much. And who has time to watch hours of that video? You can listen to an audio podcast while driving, commuting, exercising, etc. At least, PodTech should have a button for .mp3 download. Or do you think flash memory is so cheap, why bother with having both .mp3 and .mp4 downloads? Also, consider that the cheap players only play .mp3′s.

  • http://mickeleh.blogspot.com/ Michael Markman

    If you want quick turnaround and HD quality for your Podcast work, you might consider investing in a direct-to-edit hard disk recorder for your camera. Unplug it from the camera, plug it into your Mac and it’s instantly accessible in FCP. Given the quantity you shoot, it would pay for itself pretty quickly.

  • http://mickeleh.blogspot.com Michael Markman

    If you want quick turnaround and HD quality for your Podcast work, you might consider investing in a direct-to-edit hard disk recorder for your camera. Unplug it from the camera, plug it into your Mac and it’s instantly accessible in FCP. Given the quantity you shoot, it would pay for itself pretty quickly.

  • samcollins

    I thought the format was Blu-Ray, not Blue-Ray :(

  • samcollins

    I thought the format was Blu-Ray, not Blue-Ray :(

  • http://chrisyeh.blogspot.com/ Chris Yeh

    Great discussion about the various strengths of the different platforms.

    I think what this discussion shows is that video is the future of online communications. Ultimately, we are visual creatures, and the desire to see is so strong that we put up with what are still very early-stage implementations.

    At Ustream, we believe that the interactivity of live is a killer app, but I can also see the importance of recorded as well. No one would argue that the music industry should consist solely of live performances, or solely of MP3 downloads.

    Ironically enough, when the phonograph first came out, musicians fought the technology tooth and nail, figuring that it would kill the market for live performances.

    The real interesting challenge is finding a way for all of these platforms (PodTech, Kyte, Ustream, Operator11, etc.) to work together. I’ll be watching with great curiosity.

    Chris Yeh
    CEO, Ustream.TV

  • http://chrisyeh.blogspot.com Chris Yeh

    Great discussion about the various strengths of the different platforms.

    I think what this discussion shows is that video is the future of online communications. Ultimately, we are visual creatures, and the desire to see is so strong that we put up with what are still very early-stage implementations.

    At Ustream, we believe that the interactivity of live is a killer app, but I can also see the importance of recorded as well. No one would argue that the music industry should consist solely of live performances, or solely of MP3 downloads.

    Ironically enough, when the phonograph first came out, musicians fought the technology tooth and nail, figuring that it would kill the market for live performances.

    The real interesting challenge is finding a way for all of these platforms (PodTech, Kyte, Ustream, Operator11, etc.) to work together. I’ll be watching with great curiosity.

    Chris Yeh
    CEO, Ustream.TV

  • K-Dog

    “What do you think?”

    I think you just posted a message that threw your employer under the bus. WTF– you basically just admitted that Kyte has more end-user functionality than the guys who write your checks.

  • K-Dog

    “What do you think?”

    I think you just posted a message that threw your employer under the bus. WTF– you basically just admitted that Kyte has more end-user functionality than the guys who write your checks.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    K-Dog: if you thought Podtech was an end-user video system then that’s the bug I was working to fix here. It’s not and you’re right.

    When you watch Lost do you care how that got to you? No.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    K-Dog: if you thought Podtech was an end-user video system then that’s the bug I was working to fix here. It’s not and you’re right.

    When you watch Lost do you care how that got to you? No.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Chris: absolutely. Live definitely has its place. I want to watch sports live, for instance. Same with a building burning down or a disaster or weather news.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Chris: absolutely. Live definitely has its place. I want to watch sports live, for instance. Same with a building burning down or a disaster or weather news.

  • http://techbizmedia.com/ Deepak

    Lets not forget YouTube, Blip.tv, Splashcast, etc in this discussion. If you want to get a video of your cat out there, and there is no need for interactivity, YouTube is as good a place as any. If you want to get your video podcast distributed, Blip is fabulous. For aggregating content and making it available to others (or just yourself), go Splashcast. UStream and Kyte have been discussed above.

    What I find amazing is how quickly video has become part of the personal content distribution. As a particular fan of audio podcasts, I almost feel sorry that podcasting might never really get its day in the sun because video will just become the dominant medium.

  • http://techbizmedia.com Deepak

    Lets not forget YouTube, Blip.tv, Splashcast, etc in this discussion. If you want to get a video of your cat out there, and there is no need for interactivity, YouTube is as good a place as any. If you want to get your video podcast distributed, Blip is fabulous. For aggregating content and making it available to others (or just yourself), go Splashcast. UStream and Kyte have been discussed above.

    What I find amazing is how quickly video has become part of the personal content distribution. As a particular fan of audio podcasts, I almost feel sorry that podcasting might never really get its day in the sun because video will just become the dominant medium.

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