Nokia tries to get leadership position back from iPhone

August 29, 2007 By

Nokia has a bunch of new devices that I want to try. I have both an iPhone and a Nokia N95. I am keeping track of how often I pick up either device. The iPhone is winning. Bigtime.

Did the new Nokia devices fix the problem the iPhone pointed out: that its software is unthrilling?

Based on first reports and videos I’ve seen today: no.

That said, Nokia’s hardware is much more advanced than the iPhone. Better cameras, GPSs, replaceable batteries, more open so you can choose your carriers, etc.

What do you think?

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http://www.ahtenindustries.com/ Scott

While Nokia does have a head start in the mobile device market, Apple has several technical advantages that Nokia simply doesn’t have.

For example, Apple has several pro-level video, audio and photo applications which are developed by Apple engineers. Since the iPhone runs OS X, the same technology and developers can repurposed to create advanced mobile applications. Nokia simply doesn’t have these resources at their disposal.

And Apple is already leveraging much of it’s desktop OS functionality, such as Core Animation and Objective-C / Cocoa in the iPhone’s UI. As far as I know, no other mobile device is even close to implementing hardware accelerated, object oriented animation framework on a mobile device – including Microsoft.

Now that the iPhone platform has shipped, I think the biggest challenge for Apple isn’t technology, it’s figuring out how to best translate existing mobile device features using a multi-touch UI. This is where Apple’s strength really lies.

Version 1.0 of the IPhone is simply laying the groundwork for this process.
http://www.ahtenindustries.com/ Scott

While Nokia does have a head start in the mobile device market, Apple has several technical advantages that Nokia simply doesn’t have.

For example, Apple has several pro-level video, audio and photo applications which are developed by Apple engineers. Since the iPhone runs OS X, the same technology and developers can repurposed to create advanced mobile applications. Nokia simply doesn’t have these resources at their disposal.

And Apple is already leveraging much of it’s desktop OS functionality, such as Core Animation and Objective-C / Cocoa in the iPhone’s UI. As far as I know, no other mobile device is even close to implementing hardware accelerated, object oriented animation framework on a mobile device – including Microsoft.

Now that the iPhone platform has shipped, I think the biggest challenge for Apple isn’t technology, it’s figuring out how to best translate existing mobile device features using a multi-touch UI. This is where Apple’s strength really lies.

Version 1.0 of the IPhone is simply laying the groundwork for this process.
http://www.ahtenindustries.com Scott

While Nokia does have a head start in the mobile device market, Apple has several technical advantages that Nokia simply doesn’t have.

For example, Apple has several pro-level video, audio and photo applications which are developed by Apple engineers. Since the iPhone runs OS X, the same technology and developers can repurposed to create advanced mobile applications. Nokia simply doesn’t have these resources at their disposal.

And Apple is already leveraging much of it’s desktop OS functionality, such as Core Animation and Objective-C / Cocoa in the iPhone’s UI. As far as I know, no other mobile device is even close to implementing hardware accelerated, object oriented animation framework on a mobile device – including Microsoft.

Now that the iPhone platform has shipped, I think the biggest challenge for Apple isn’t technology, it’s figuring out how to best translate existing mobile device features using a multi-touch UI. This is where Apple’s strength really lies.

Version 1.0 of the IPhone is simply laying the groundwork for this process.
http://thegun.sdsuccess.hop.clickbank.net/ doug

Apple is no threat to Nokia until they can make the iPhone more affordable to the masses.
http://thegun.sdsuccess.hop.clickbank.net/ doug

Apple is no threat to Nokia until they can make the iPhone more affordable to the masses.
http://thegun.sdsuccess.hop.clickbank.net/ doug

Apple is no threat to Nokia until they can make the iPhone more affordable to the masses.
Dave

I think that Apple has a long way to go as far as taking the leadership position from Nokia.
Dave

I think that Apple has a long way to go as far as taking the leadership position from Nokia.
Dave

I think that Apple has a long way to go as far as taking the leadership position from Nokia.
http://www.raindropper.com/ Tomi Itkonen

Apple’s iPhone has a massive mind share. Nokia has a massive market share.
http://www.raindropper.com/ Tomi Itkonen

Apple’s iPhone has a massive mind share. Nokia has a massive market share.
http://www.raindropper.com Tomi Itkonen

Apple’s iPhone has a massive mind share. Nokia has a massive market share.
http://twitter.com/atirip Priit Pirita

Nokia sells to almost everybody who has the money and coverage. Apple refuses to sell to almost everybody.
http://twitter.com/atirip Priit Pirita

Nokia sells to almost everybody who has the money and coverage. Apple refuses to sell to almost everybody.
Priit

Nokia sells to almost everybody who has the money and coverage. Apple refuses to sell to almost everybody.
http://www.psilogy.com/ Emmanuel Verhagen

Don’t think Apple will ever be in any form of leadership position in a mobile market.

Furthermore, how neat, cool, swell the iPhone might look as a device, the fact that it’s based on a closed system locked in to a single provider per country will make it a though sell and most likely non-sustainable in the long run.

It reminds me a bit about the big campaigns we saw for iMode in Europe a couple of years ago. I’m afraid Apple will end up in the same corner of the market.

After all: youngsters tend not to want contract-services but prefer the pre-paid cards because it enables them to switch provider whenever they can find a better deal. Their scarce money resources are spent on the phone rather than the services.

I do believe Apple will find it’s place in the market, especially with the design loving adult crowd. But then again, given the new launches and designs of Nokia and the likes, why should I feel forced to switch my contract from one provider to another. I’m happy with mine and I see no reason to change. At least not for the sake of a piece of hardware how ever beautiful it may be.
http://www.psilogy.com/ Emmanuel Verhagen

Don’t think Apple will ever be in any form of leadership position in a mobile market.

Furthermore, how neat, cool, swell the iPhone might look as a device, the fact that it’s based on a closed system locked in to a single provider per country will make it a though sell and most likely non-sustainable in the long run.

It reminds me a bit about the big campaigns we saw for iMode in Europe a couple of years ago. I’m afraid Apple will end up in the same corner of the market.

After all: youngsters tend not to want contract-services but prefer the pre-paid cards because it enables them to switch provider whenever they can find a better deal. Their scarce money resources are spent on the phone rather than the services.

I do believe Apple will find it’s place in the market, especially with the design loving adult crowd. But then again, given the new launches and designs of Nokia and the likes, why should I feel forced to switch my contract from one provider to another. I’m happy with mine and I see no reason to change. At least not for the sake of a piece of hardware how ever beautiful it may be.
http://www.psilogy.com Emmanuel Verhagen

Don’t think Apple will ever be in any form of leadership position in a mobile market.

Furthermore, how neat, cool, swell the iPhone might look as a device, the fact that it’s based on a closed system locked in to a single provider per country will make it a though sell and most likely non-sustainable in the long run.

It reminds me a bit about the big campaigns we saw for iMode in Europe a couple of years ago. I’m afraid Apple will end up in the same corner of the market.

After all: youngsters tend not to want contract-services but prefer the pre-paid cards because it enables them to switch provider whenever they can find a better deal. Their scarce money resources are spent on the phone rather than the services.

I do believe Apple will find it’s place in the market, especially with the design loving adult crowd. But then again, given the new launches and designs of Nokia and the likes, why should I feel forced to switch my contract from one provider to another. I’m happy with mine and I see no reason to change. At least not for the sake of a piece of hardware how ever beautiful it may be.
http://junal.wordpress.com/ junal

well, i guess iPhone got both mind share and market share. but recent hack of iPhone could let it down from
Nokia.
http://junal.wordpress.com/ junal

well, i guess iPhone got both mind share and market share. but recent hack of iPhone could let it down from
Nokia.
http://www.maxpagels.com/ Max Pagels

The iPhone is cool, I’ll give you that. But for sheer functionality and features, I rely on my N73 to do the job.
http://www.maxpagels.com/ Max Pagels

The iPhone is cool, I’ll give you that. But for sheer functionality and features, I rely on my N73 to do the job.
http://junal.wordpress.com/ junal

well, i guess iPhone got both mind share and market share. but recent hack of iPhone could let it down from
Nokia.
http://www.maxpagels.com Max Pagels

The iPhone is cool, I’ll give you that. But for sheer functionality and features, I rely on my N73 to do the job.
Kamal Jain

Nokia’s phone business is bigger than Apple’s all the businesses combined. The cell phone users is among the most diversified set of users for a technical product. It is amazing how well Nokia is serving users from a rural are in a poor country to a trendy city in a rich country. Nokia’s top two largest markets consists of poor countries and the next two rich countries.

On the other hand Apple serves only one market with only one kind of users. If you are in that category of users you are bound to prefer iPhone because it is custom designed for you. But outside of that category of users, there are plenty of options in Nokia’s phones including N95 to serve almost anybody’s purpose.
Kamal Jain

Nokia’s phone business is bigger than Apple’s all the businesses combined. The cell phone users is among the most diversified set of users for a technical product. It is amazing how well Nokia is serving users from a rural are in a poor country to a trendy city in a rich country. Nokia’s top two largest markets consists of poor countries and the next two rich countries.

On the other hand Apple serves only one market with only one kind of users. If you are in that category of users you are bound to prefer iPhone because it is custom designed for you. But outside of that category of users, there are plenty of options in Nokia’s phones including N95 to serve almost anybody’s purpose.
Kamal Jain

Nokia’s phone business is bigger than Apple’s all the businesses combined. The cell phone users is among the most diversified set of users for a technical product. It is amazing how well Nokia is serving users from a rural are in a poor country to a trendy city in a rich country. Nokia’s top two largest markets consists of poor countries and the next two rich countries.

On the other hand Apple serves only one market with only one kind of users. If you are in that category of users you are bound to prefer iPhone because it is custom designed for you. But outside of that category of users, there are plenty of options in Nokia’s phones including N95 to serve almost anybody’s purpose.
Tim Meyer

As @scott said, Apple has laid the groundwork. I would add that it is the first phone that can upgrade itself with a minimum of user intervention. Even S60v3 upgrades are painful at best.

As to product strategy, Apple has done fine with a closed system (iPod) with price points from low to high. What indication is there that that cannot be replicated?

Finally, the signals from Apple are that the platform will be opened up, I suspect it will have some BREW like QA and process control.
Tim Meyer

As @scott said, Apple has laid the groundwork. I would add that it is the first phone that can upgrade itself with a minimum of user intervention. Even S60v3 upgrades are painful at best.

As to product strategy, Apple has done fine with a closed system (iPod) with price points from low to high. What indication is there that that cannot be replicated?

Finally, the signals from Apple are that the platform will be opened up, I suspect it will have some BREW like QA and process control.
Tim Meyer

As @scott said, Apple has laid the groundwork. I would add that it is the first phone that can upgrade itself with a minimum of user intervention. Even S60v3 upgrades are painful at best.

As to product strategy, Apple has done fine with a closed system (iPod) with price points from low to high. What indication is there that that cannot be replicated?

Finally, the signals from Apple are that the platform will be opened up, I suspect it will have some BREW like QA and process control.
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http://abhishek.tiwari.com/ shekyboy

I dont think they are trying to do better. Somehow they are content to get even. These guys can do so much better. They have so much more experience in this space than Apple.

Read my thoughts around this:

http://abhishek.tiwari.com/2007/08/31/iphone-imitation-is-the-sincerest-form-of-flattery/
http://abhishek.tiwari.com/ shekyboy

I dont think they are trying to do better. Somehow they are content to get even. These guys can do so much better. They have so much more experience in this space than Apple.

Read my thoughts around this:

http://abhishek.tiwari.com/2007/08/31/iphone-imitation-is-the-sincerest-form-of-flattery/
http://abhishek.tiwari.com shekyboy

I dont think they are trying to do better. Somehow they are content to get even. These guys can do so much better. They have so much more experience in this space than Apple.

Read my thoughts around this:

http://abhishek.tiwari.com/2007/08/31/iphone-imitation-is-the-sincerest-form-of-flattery/
http://www.kyomu.org/ mattjp

You’re all mad.

Go buy a Nokia series 40 2.5G phone such as the 6300 (or a little Sony, or a Samsung). Enjoy well over a week of battery life, calls that just work, SMS which just works and PCMac syncronisation which just works.

Enjoy the fact that you NEVER have to reboot your phone and that you can start writing a fully addressed SMS in less than five button clicks (quicker for an experienced SMSer than the iPhone will ever be and definitely quicker than the sclerotic Nseries phones).

Enjoy the fact that your trouser pocket is not distended and that your not wearing some godawful geek pouch on your hip (or spend your life wiping finger prints off your pristine touch screen).

Finally enjoy the fact that you haven’t spend a kings ransom on a godawful piece of frippery which totally fails to perform is supposedly primary purpose – to be a phone.

Seriously, just buy a goddamn phone. The 6300 is £100 with NO CONTRACT and no SIMNetwork lock in the UK and knocks the crap out of any phone I’ve used in a very long time.

To be clear – I do love geeky little devices. I also have a HTC Hermes rurnning WM6 which I use for portable internet (@1.8Mbps on Vodafone UK) and as a modem for my laptop (constantly and reliably connected when on client site) and video. An iPod nano operates as the musicpodcast device. But fundamentally, I need a functioning phone and neither the Nseries or I’m sure the iPhone will fill that requirement.
http://www.kyomu.org/ mattjp

You’re all mad.

Go buy a Nokia series 40 2.5G phone such as the 6300 (or a little Sony, or a Samsung). Enjoy well over a week of battery life, calls that just work, SMS which just works and PCMac syncronisation which just works.

Enjoy the fact that you NEVER have to reboot your phone and that you can start writing a fully addressed SMS in less than five button clicks (quicker for an experienced SMSer than the iPhone will ever be and definitely quicker than the sclerotic Nseries phones).

Enjoy the fact that your trouser pocket is not distended and that your not wearing some godawful geek pouch on your hip (or spend your life wiping finger prints off your pristine touch screen).

Finally enjoy the fact that you haven’t spend a kings ransom on a godawful piece of frippery which totally fails to perform is supposedly primary purpose – to be a phone.

Seriously, just buy a goddamn phone. The 6300 is £100 with NO CONTRACT and no SIMNetwork lock in the UK and knocks the crap out of any phone I’ve used in a very long time.

To be clear – I do love geeky little devices. I also have a HTC Hermes rurnning WM6 which I use for portable internet (@1.8Mbps on Vodafone UK) and as a modem for my laptop (constantly and reliably connected when on client site) and video. An iPod nano operates as the musicpodcast device. But fundamentally, I need a functioning phone and neither the Nseries or I’m sure the iPhone will fill that requirement.
http://www.kyomu.org mattjp

You’re all mad.

Go buy a Nokia series 40 2.5G phone such as the 6300 (or a little Sony, or a Samsung). Enjoy well over a week of battery life, calls that just work, SMS which just works and PC\Mac syncronisation which just works.

Enjoy the fact that you NEVER have to reboot your phone and that you can start writing a fully addressed SMS in less than five button clicks (quicker for an experienced SMSer than the iPhone will ever be and definitely quicker than the sclerotic Nseries phones).

Enjoy the fact that your trouser pocket is not distended and that your not wearing some godawful geek pouch on your hip (or spend your life wiping finger prints off your pristine touch screen).

Finally enjoy the fact that you haven’t spend a kings ransom on a godawful piece of frippery which totally fails to perform is supposedly primary purpose – to be a phone.

Seriously, just buy a goddamn phone. The 6300 is £100 with NO CONTRACT and no SIM\Network lock in the UK and knocks the crap out of any phone I’ve used in a very long time.

To be clear – I do love geeky little devices. I also have a HTC Hermes rurnning WM6 which I use for portable internet (@1.8Mbps on Vodafone UK) and as a modem for my laptop (constantly and reliably connected when on client site) and video. An iPod nano operates as the music\podcast device. But fundamentally, I need a functioning phone and neither the Nseries or I’m sure the iPhone will fill that requirement.
http://yourescort.mp3dwnlnet.hop.clickbank.net/ Trudy Beisner

The Nokia is giant steps better. I love mine. Never go back.
http://yourescort.mp3dwnlnet.hop.clickbank.net/ Trudy Beisner

The Nokia is giant steps better. I love mine. Never go back.
http://yourescort.mp3dwnlnet.hop.clickbank.net/ Trudy Beisner

The Nokia is giant steps better. I love mine. Never go back.
http://www.pleon.it/web/blogs/geektalk.nsf Gianni

No question: N95 hands down: I like the 3G capability, built-in GPS (now much faster with the new firmware), SDHC support, very good camera, unlocked SIM and still about the same price as the iPhone.

My only complaint is on the battery life, but at least with the Nokia I can carry a spare
http://www.pleon.it/web/blogs/geektalk.nsf Gianni

No question: N95 hands down: I like the 3G capability, built-in GPS (now much faster with the new firmware), SDHC support, very good camera, unlocked SIM and still about the same price as the iPhone.

My only complaint is on the battery life, but at least with the Nokia I can carry a spare
http://www.pleon.it/web/blogs/geektalk.nsf Gianni

No question: N95 hands down: I like the 3G capability, built-in GPS (now much faster with the new firmware), SDHC support, very good camera, unlocked SIM and still about the same price as the iPhone.

My only complaint is on the battery life, but at least with the Nokia I can carry a spare
Podesta

The Nokia Nazis are back.

They say some ridiculous things. My favorite so far? Their claim that the N95 phone is a better digital music player than the iPod.
Podesta

The Nokia Nazis are back.

They say some ridiculous things. My favorite so far? Their claim that the N95 phone is a better digital music player than the iPod.
http://irish.typepad.com/irisheyes/2007/08/nokia-goplay-in.html Bernie Goldbach

I’ve used the new Nokia music phones with Bose earbuds and with my Bluetooth streaming system. The sound coming from my Nokia setup is as good through earbuds as through my iPod Sennheiser buds. The iPod doesn’t stream to my Bluetooth SCART system out of the box and it doesn’t do a lot of other things that a Nokia phone/music combo can do. And if comments above are to be believed, the iPhone doesn’t have the on-board capabilities to deliver a long work day of calling, texting and browsing without a topping up its power. I need that kind of business connectivity to convince an accountant that an iPhone is a business expense.

You’re not going to convince long-term Nokia users that the iPhone will fit their needs. But you can convince people who did not grow up texting that the iPhone is the best tech on the planet. Here in Europe, you need to depend on your phone for things like text connectivity and file sharing across the table. Those are very tactile activities and they are tough for my fat fingers to do using only a touch screen. All the new mid-range to top tier phones in Europe let you share your content over Bluetooth and High Speed wireless data connections. Those things aren’t on the feature set of the iPhone. But Apple is smart enough to follow Nokia’s lead on these things so I expect iPhone v2 will start to remedy its first generation shortfalls.
http://irish.typepad.com/irisheyes/2007/08/nokia-goplay-in.html Bernie Goldbach

I’ve used the new Nokia music phones with Bose earbuds and with my Bluetooth streaming system. The sound coming from my Nokia setup is as good through earbuds as through my iPod Sennheiser buds. The iPod doesn’t stream to my Bluetooth SCART system out of the box and it doesn’t do a lot of other things that a Nokia phone/music combo can do. And if comments above are to be believed, the iPhone doesn’t have the on-board capabilities to deliver a long work day of calling, texting and browsing without a topping up its power. I need that kind of business connectivity to convince an accountant that an iPhone is a business expense.

You’re not going to convince long-term Nokia users that the iPhone will fit their needs. But you can convince people who did not grow up texting that the iPhone is the best tech on the planet. Here in Europe, you need to depend on your phone for things like text connectivity and file sharing across the table. Those are very tactile activities and they are tough for my fat fingers to do using only a touch screen. All the new mid-range to top tier phones in Europe let you share your content over Bluetooth and High Speed wireless data connections. Those things aren’t on the feature set of the iPhone. But Apple is smart enough to follow Nokia’s lead on these things so I expect iPhone v2 will start to remedy its first generation shortfalls.
http://irish.typepad.com/irisheyes/2007/08/nokia-goplay-in.html Bernie Goldbach

I’ve used the new Nokia music phones with Bose earbuds and with my Bluetooth streaming system. The sound coming from my Nokia setup is as good through earbuds as through my iPod Sennheiser buds. The iPod doesn’t stream to my Bluetooth SCART system out of the box and it doesn’t do a lot of other things that a Nokia phone/music combo can do. And if comments above are to be believed, the iPhone doesn’t have the on-board capabilities to deliver a long work day of calling, texting and browsing without a topping up its power. I need that kind of business connectivity to convince an accountant that an iPhone is a business expense.

You’re not going to convince long-term Nokia users that the iPhone will fit their needs. But you can convince people who did not grow up texting that the iPhone is the best tech on the planet. Here in Europe, you need to depend on your phone for things like text connectivity and file sharing across the table. Those are very tactile activities and they are tough for my fat fingers to do using only a touch screen. All the new mid-range to top tier phones in Europe let you share your content over Bluetooth and High Speed wireless data connections. Those things aren’t on the feature set of the iPhone. But Apple is smart enough to follow Nokia’s lead on these things so I expect iPhone v2 will start to remedy its first generation shortfalls.
http://www.blogtext.org/yoretiller Aaron Santiago

I don’t know about a lot of people, but to me, I feel that the leadership position still belongs to Nokia. Sure, the iPhone is nice and all, but the last time I checked, Nokia phones’ specifications are better compared to that of the Apple iPhone. Besides, how much of the mobile phone using population went ga-ga and dropped their Nokia phones just to get an iPhone? Not as much as many people think, and not even close to toppling Nokia from the top of the mobile phone world.

- Aaron
http://www.blogtext.org/yoretiller
http://www.blogtext.org/yoretiller Aaron Santiago

I don’t know about a lot of people, but to me, I feel that the leadership position still belongs to Nokia. Sure, the iPhone is nice and all, but the last time I checked, Nokia phones’ specifications are better compared to that of the Apple iPhone. Besides, how much of the mobile phone using population went ga-ga and dropped their Nokia phones just to get an iPhone? Not as much as many people think, and not even close to toppling Nokia from the top of the mobile phone world.

- Aaron
http://www.blogtext.org/yoretiller

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