30 thoughts on “China +is+ redirecting search sites, confirmed by Microsoft

  1. Kevin did not say that China is re-routing traffic; he said that traffic in China is being re-routed in some cases. This has nothing to do with Chinese government. I posted about this on Oct 22, and have dealt with this firsthand (including with MSFT China netops) myself:

    http://www.netcrucible.com/blog/2007/10/22/china-rerouting-traffic-to-baidu/

    This habit of blaming “China” without checking facts is immoral. Last time journalists did this, people ended up dead: http://www.netcrucible.com/blog/2007/09/21/lying-media-bastards/

  2. Kevin did not say that China is re-routing traffic; he said that traffic in China is being re-routed in some cases. This has nothing to do with Chinese government. I posted about this on Oct 22, and have dealt with this firsthand (including with MSFT China netops) myself:

    http://www.netcrucible.com/blog/2007/10/22/china-rerouting-traffic-to-baidu/

    This habit of blaming “China” without checking facts is immoral. Last time journalists did this, people ended up dead: http://www.netcrucible.com/blog/2007/09/21/lying-media-bastards/

  3. That’s an interest quote from an employee of a convicted monopolist. Kind of a pot calling the kettle black type of thing.

    First thing Vista does when I use it is suggest Microsoft’s own search engine in place of my top preferences: Yahoo! and Google.

  4. That’s an interest quote from an employee of a convicted monopolist. Kind of a pot calling the kettle black type of thing.

    First thing Vista does when I use it is suggest Microsoft’s own search engine in place of my top preferences: Yahoo! and Google.

  5. @10 Then the following would happen:

    “Comment: The medical community has dismissed the effectiveness of that pill”

    Scoble: “So you are calling Ralph a liar? One of the most respected former researchers at Microsoft? Got it”

  6. @10 Then the following would happen:

    “Comment: The medical community has dismissed the effectiveness of that pill”

    Scoble: “So you are calling Ralph a liar? One of the most respected former researchers at Microsoft? Got it”

  7. It’s a nice touch of logic, but like a radio-headache 80s one-hit wonder song, it’s already well-overdone. Still Scoble violates it daily, if not hourly.

    This pill is the only male enhancement product that actually works, says Ralph, who is a Doctor. Ralph being a Doctor (and former Microsoft Researcher), should know. Only Ralph is an Optometrist.

  8. It’s a nice touch of logic, but like a radio-headache 80s one-hit wonder song, it’s already well-overdone. Still Scoble violates it daily, if not hourly.

    This pill is the only male enhancement product that actually works, says Ralph, who is a Doctor. Ralph being a Doctor (and former Microsoft Researcher), should know. Only Ralph is an Optometrist.

  9. whether you are tired of references to the fallacy or not is irrelevant. For whatever reason Scoble chose to use a blog post
    by Schoenfeld to “prove” China redirects. The fact that Ken works in Microsoft research means nothing in this case. He could just as equally been Clay Aiken and had the same experience. Unless Schoenfeld was doing specific research on this issue and was an expert in the field–and nothing in his post suggests either— his name and association with Microsoft are not relevant. He’s simply another that experienced a redirect. No different than people who haven’t. Nothing about his name or job makes his experience authoritative

  10. whether you are tired of references to the fallacy or not is irrelevant. For whatever reason Scoble chose to use a blog post
    by Schoenfeld to “prove” China redirects. The fact that Ken works in Microsoft research means nothing in this case. He could just as equally been Clay Aiken and had the same experience. Unless Schoenfeld was doing specific research on this issue and was an expert in the field–and nothing in his post suggests either— his name and association with Microsoft are not relevant. He’s simply another that experienced a redirect. No different than people who haven’t. Nothing about his name or job makes his experience authoritative

  11. God, I am so tired of seeing references to the “Appeal to Authority logical fallacy” everywhere. I’ve seen it referenced at least a dozen times over the last month on blogs and message boards. I guess it’s the new in-thing tactic to use by pseudo-intellectual geeks to win arguments (i.e. it’s a cop-out: Just play the “Appeal to Authority locical fallacy” card rather than debate the underlying issues).

    Ron, are you familiar with the Appeal to the ‘Appeal to Authority logical fallacy’ logical fallacy?

  12. God, I am so tired of seeing references to the “Appeal to Authority logical fallacy” everywhere. I’ve seen it referenced at least a dozen times over the last month on blogs and message boards. I guess it’s the new in-thing tactic to use by pseudo-intellectual geeks to win arguments (i.e. it’s a cop-out: Just play the “Appeal to Authority locical fallacy” card rather than debate the underlying issues).

    Ron, are you familiar with the Appeal to the ‘Appeal to Authority logical fallacy’ logical fallacy?

  13. As I posted yesterday, doing business with the Chinese government smacks of evil. They are all guilty of doing it. The Chinese government is oppressive, and any company that does business with them and bends to their will as a cost of doing business in the Chinese market should be shunned by the users.

  14. As I posted yesterday, doing business with the Chinese government smacks of evil. They are all guilty of doing it. The Chinese government is oppressive, and any company that does business with them and bends to their will as a cost of doing business in the Chinese market should be shunned by the users.

  15. Robert, it’s nice that you trust the guy, but you’ll never know for sure if you defend him by “argumentum ad verecundiam” rather than just finding some non-transparent chinese proxy and checking it yourself.

    After all, if they’re indeed redirecting that’s a practical thing, not theoretical.

    Mikolaj

  16. Robert, it’s nice that you trust the guy, but you’ll never know for sure if you defend him by “argumentum ad verecundiam” rather than just finding some non-transparent chinese proxy and checking it yourself.

    After all, if they’re indeed redirecting that’s a practical thing, not theoretical.

    Mikolaj

  17. I’m living in China (Beijing) and both Google and Microsoft search engines (English & Chinese) are working for me. While I wouldn’t put it past the government or ISPs to do something like this, all I know is that I haven’t experienced any redirections.

  18. I’m living in China (Beijing) and both Google and Microsoft search engines (English & Chinese) are working for me. While I wouldn’t put it past the government or ISPs to do something like this, all I know is that I haven’t experienced any redirections.

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