Kudos to Microsoft on IE8′s ACID compliance

I missed this the other day that IE8 has passed the ACID standards compliance test. This is really great news for Web designers/developers. It’s too bad that it’ll probably be five to 10 years before 90% of the market will use a standards-based browser.

Nice, too, to see Charles getting some great videos with the IE team. Took me back to when I first sat in Dean’s office and interviewed the IE team.

My prediction for 2008? We’ll see a beta of the next version of Windows and it’ll get tons of compliments.

35 thoughts on “Kudos to Microsoft on IE8′s ACID compliance

  1. hmmm i agree.. i tried using ie8 and checked my mail in hotmail.. and i see sooooo small fonts… yay!! what a surprise! their own website not following compliance? i read in msdn blog.. that they critise those who wants ie8 to comply on existing pages.. hmm maybe they(ppl of ie) should check within your own fence.

    I’m still an ie user though.. coz i still like the old look and feel of ie6, simple and not loaded. don’t like crowded looking window.. with so many toolbars.. sheesh. I will put one when i need one, but now in ie8 you can’t hide all of these.

  2. hmmm i agree.. i tried using ie8 and checked my mail in hotmail.. and i see sooooo small fonts… yay!! what a surprise! their own website not following compliance? i read in msdn blog.. that they critise those who wants ie8 to comply on existing pages.. hmm maybe they(ppl of ie) should check within your own fence.

    I’m still an ie user though.. coz i still like the old look and feel of ie6, simple and not loaded. don’t like crowded looking window.. with so many toolbars.. sheesh. I will put one when i need one, but now in ie8 you can’t hide all of these.

  3. IE8 Beta1 still failed the acid2 test and bombs the acid3 test… wonder what they were using for the test?

  4. IE8 Beta1 still failed the acid2 test and bombs the acid3 test… wonder what they were using for the test?

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  6. Even if IE8 gets CSS just right, it still can’t compete with Firefox extensions. If it weren’t for Firefox extensions, I’d probably be using Opera or K-Meleon. Still, good support for CSS in IE8 will be VERY welcome on my end (web developer here). IE7 did more harm than good, what with creating (yet another) crappy platform to have to support for years.

  7. Even if IE8 gets CSS just right, it still can’t compete with Firefox extensions. If it weren’t for Firefox extensions, I’d probably be using Opera or K-Meleon. Still, good support for CSS in IE8 will be VERY welcome on my end (web developer here). IE7 did more harm than good, what with creating (yet another) crappy platform to have to support for years.

  8. “No matter how much IE8 does right, for some people it’ll never be enough”

    That’s partially because they have several years of ill-will to make up for. Ask a web developer how much headaches working around quirks with implementations, the crashes, the years without non-security updates has caused (or better yet, ask their manager how many man-hours have gone into dealing with IE in a special way. No one expects them to get things right the first time (it’s MS, so it takes the 3rd try), but they made their bed.

  9. “No matter how much IE8 does right, for some people it’ll never be enough”

    That’s partially because they have several years of ill-will to make up for. Ask a web developer how much headaches working around quirks with implementations, the crashes, the years without non-security updates has caused (or better yet, ask their manager how many man-hours have gone into dealing with IE in a special way. No one expects them to get things right the first time (it’s MS, so it takes the 3rd try), but they made their bed.

  10. My prediction? No matter how much IE8 does right, for some people it’ll never be enough. It’s Microsoft so it can’t be good.

    We’ll also have a lot of “Apple/Firefox” did it first whining coming from the same people who complained that IE didn’t do some things as good as Apple/Firefox.

    Face it, Microsoft’s in a no-win situation.

  11. My prediction? No matter how much IE8 does right, for some people it’ll never be enough. It’s Microsoft so it can’t be good.

    We’ll also have a lot of “Apple/Firefox” did it first whining coming from the same people who complained that IE didn’t do some things as good as Apple/Firefox.

    Face it, Microsoft’s in a no-win situation.

  12. Completely agree with LiQ. No IE news for months and all of sudden Molly blogs about the lack of info, Bill acts surprised and then Opera sues them.

    Now all of a sudden we have Acid2 compliance?

    Coincidence?

  13. Completely agree with LiQ. No IE news for months and all of sudden Molly blogs about the lack of info, Bill acts surprised and then Opera sues them.

    Now all of a sudden we have Acid2 compliance?

    Coincidence?

  14. Hooray, this is good news. Could IE8 be the first really good MS browser since IE4/5?

    would be about time.

    Now if someone at MS would just fix Windows Media Player…

  15. Hooray, this is good news. Could IE8 be the first really good MS browser since IE4/5?

    would be about time.

    Now if someone at MS would just fix Windows Media Player…

  16. “My prediction for 2008? We’ll see a beta of the next version of Windows and it’ll get tons of compliments”

    You think it’s that far along to make beta? I’m still suspect of another Longhorn PDC debacle where an exciting release gets delayed and design-by-committee’ed until it’s just Vista SP2 that makes a huge deal out of a bunch of security fixes, adds multi-touch when 95% of users won’t use it, and claims that less reboots are necessary for updates.
    If it’s a brand-new shell, cleaned-up kernel (that’s supposedly in the cards), and starts actually dogfooding .Net, I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

  17. “My prediction for 2008? We’ll see a beta of the next version of Windows and it’ll get tons of compliments”

    You think it’s that far along to make beta? I’m still suspect of another Longhorn PDC debacle where an exciting release gets delayed and design-by-committee’ed until it’s just Vista SP2 that makes a huge deal out of a bunch of security fixes, adds multi-touch when 95% of users won’t use it, and claims that less reboots are necessary for updates.
    If it’s a brand-new shell, cleaned-up kernel (that’s supposedly in the cards), and starts actually dogfooding .Net, I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

  18. Who are the people commenting on this??

    The ACID test is just a test to measure how well your browser handles certain CSS declarations and how well it compensates for certain CSS errors. If IE passes, it means it at least passes certain tests, some of which IE7 just flat out ignores (display:table-row anyone??)

    This is great news all around. But by the time IE8 comes out, and given the speed at which Windows users tend to update, and knowing that it likely will only run on valid XPSP2 and Vista, I’m not sure it will matter all that much. So many people will be on alternate platforms by then, it may not make much difference until 2010 or so.

  19. Who are the people commenting on this??

    The ACID test is just a test to measure how well your browser handles certain CSS declarations and how well it compensates for certain CSS errors. If IE passes, it means it at least passes certain tests, some of which IE7 just flat out ignores (display:table-row anyone??)

    This is great news all around. But by the time IE8 comes out, and given the speed at which Windows users tend to update, and knowing that it likely will only run on valid XPSP2 and Vista, I’m not sure it will matter all that much. So many people will be on alternate platforms by then, it may not make much difference until 2010 or so.

  20. @LiQ, watch the video over at channel9, they openly state that they’ve not engineered ie8 purely to get it to pass acid2, rather they have engineered it to be standards compliant. Acid2 compliancy falls in to place when everything else is right

  21. @LiQ, watch the video over at channel9, they openly state that they’ve not engineered ie8 purely to get it to pass acid2, rather they have engineered it to be standards compliant. Acid2 compliancy falls in to place when everything else is right

  22. I’m a web developer and I write my code directly on HTML. Maybe IE isn’t 100% standards-compliant, but neither are Firefox and Safari. And don’t make me talk about Netscape.

    The ACID test was a tough one for IE because it was “optimized” to go against IE’s flaws.

    There are lots of recommendations from the W3C HTML specification that IE supports but others don’t.

    Learn HTML. Then try to write a page with the notepad and see how it renders on the different browsers. You’ll see what I mean.

  23. I’m a web developer and I write my code directly on HTML. Maybe IE isn’t 100% standards-compliant, but neither are Firefox and Safari. And don’t make me talk about Netscape.

    The ACID test was a tough one for IE because it was “optimized” to go against IE’s flaws.

    There are lots of recommendations from the W3C HTML specification that IE supports but others don’t.

    Learn HTML. Then try to write a page with the notepad and see how it renders on the different browsers. You’ll see what I mean.

  24. Not to be too pessimistic, this is good news, but I’m afraid this could just be the same type of move by the IE-team that NVIDIA did to 3DMark. That is, that they’ve optimized everything to pass the ACID-test, but it’s not all good underneath.

    Standard-compliance was the only next natural move if there was to be a new version of Internet Explorer, so we shouldn’t be all too excited. What else could they have done? Except maybe some performance-enhancements.

  25. Not to be too pessimistic, this is good news, but I’m afraid this could just be the same type of move by the IE-team that NVIDIA did to 3DMark. That is, that they’ve optimized everything to pass the ACID-test, but it’s not all good underneath.

    Standard-compliance was the only next natural move if there was to be a new version of Internet Explorer, so we shouldn’t be all too excited. What else could they have done? Except maybe some performance-enhancements.

  26. Cor, microsoft rewrite a huge percentage of windows and release it and people are all like, boo hoo, it isn’t as good as XP. So what? It has the potential to be much better, it is almost as good as XP, but this is version 1, XP is like, version 7? 8?

    People slate microsoft a bit too much. They forget that by version 3 they have completely dominated the market with *good* products. So wait for vista 3. thats my advice.

    But a standards compliant version of IE? Better than firefox? Hm, maybe.

    monk.e.boy

  27. Cor, microsoft rewrite a huge percentage of windows and release it and people are all like, boo hoo, it isn’t as good as XP. So what? It has the potential to be much better, it is almost as good as XP, but this is version 1, XP is like, version 7? 8?

    People slate microsoft a bit too much. They forget that by version 3 they have completely dominated the market with *good* products. So wait for vista 3. thats my advice.

    But a standards compliant version of IE? Better than firefox? Hm, maybe.

    monk.e.boy

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