Microsoft might have last laugh on HD-DVD

Word from the BlogHaus at CES is that Microsoft might have the last laugh on the HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray debate, where it looks like HD-DVD received a death blow.

But most of the people hanging out in the BlogHaus point out that they are already switching their lives to movies that are downloaded. Netflix is doing that. So is, um, Xbox.

I look around the BlogHaus. There’s a new connected TV from HP. It brings you movies and other content from the Internet.

Comments

  1. So does the PlayStation 3. It does that and supports the now defacto standard for physical HD media.

  2. The only complaint I have about the Xbox Downloadable content is the 24 hour content expiration. Sometime sitting through a 2.5 hour feature is impossible. Being able to watch it at least once regardless of a time constraint would be nice. I understand having to expire it, but gimme at least 2 or 3 days. Oh and the other thing, 7.8 Gigs(?) for Pirates took quite a while to download, 20 minutes just to start watching.

  3. The only complaint I have about the Xbox Downloadable content is the 24 hour content expiration. Sometime sitting through a 2.5 hour feature is impossible. Being able to watch it at least once regardless of a time constraint would be nice. I understand having to expire it, but gimme at least 2 or 3 days. Oh and the other thing, 7.8 Gigs(?) for Pirates took quite a while to download, 20 minutes just to start watching.

  4. The studios and other content owners would prefer that you stream content not download it because. if you have the full movie on a hard drive you can break the encryption .

    The 24 hour rental is a old outdated business model and streaming like Netflix does is the future and downloads will only be for users with portable devices who don’t have internet access in 2-3 years .

  5. The studios and other content owners would prefer that you stream content not download it because. if you have the full movie on a hard drive you can break the encryption .

    The 24 hour rental is a old outdated business model and streaming like Netflix does is the future and downloads will only be for users with portable devices who don’t have internet access in 2-3 years .

  6. Well, that was MS’ plan all along, hence the late backing uo of HD DVD.

    That said, it will be a few years before we can see decent HD streaming at worldwide level (remember, there’s a few pieces of inhabited land outside the US), and streaming is what studios like, as stated above.

    Me, I though Billg’s CES keynote was a tad short, I wonder if HD DVD-related stuff was not removed at the 11th hour… ;)

  7. Well, that was MS’ plan all along, hence the late backing uo of HD DVD.

    That said, it will be a few years before we can see decent HD streaming at worldwide level (remember, there’s a few pieces of inhabited land outside the US), and streaming is what studios like, as stated above.

    Me, I though Billg’s CES keynote was a tad short, I wonder if HD DVD-related stuff was not removed at the 11th hour… ;)

  8. Downloading movies on the XBOX? Are you kidding me – you have to be an engineer to understand the user interface, and expires after 24h?… It’s a difference from what’s technical possible (download movies on xbox and play mp3 on a nokia phone) and what’s going to be a business success….

  9. Downloading movies on the XBOX? Are you kidding me – you have to be an engineer to understand the user interface, and expires after 24h?… It’s a difference from what’s technical possible (download movies on xbox and play mp3 on a nokia phone) and what’s going to be a business success….

  10. Interesting take though that Microsoft would be the party that would be benefiting…

    There’s a lot of assumptions going on here.

    1. First of all that all set tops, televisions sets, and God may now what more would be running Microsoft software, I doubt that that will happen
    2. Industry going to prefer downloading and not streaming
    3. Sufficient bandwidth available (if all people start doing this, bandwidth will become a problem
    4. Children like to watch movies over and over again. Downloads will have some kind of DRM assigned to it, how will this handle the different locations where movies are seen.
    5. Computers and DVD players will be blu ray, another win for Java..
    6. Do you sincerely think that the Blu Ray companies are going to support Microsoft in their hardware, I doubt it…

    It opens a lot of possibilities, but whether Microsoft is the one party going to benefit, I sincerely doubt it.

  11. Interesting take though that Microsoft would be the party that would be benefiting…

    There’s a lot of assumptions going on here.

    1. First of all that all set tops, televisions sets, and God may now what more would be running Microsoft software, I doubt that that will happen
    2. Industry going to prefer downloading and not streaming
    3. Sufficient bandwidth available (if all people start doing this, bandwidth will become a problem
    4. Children like to watch movies over and over again. Downloads will have some kind of DRM assigned to it, how will this handle the different locations where movies are seen.
    5. Computers and DVD players will be blu ray, another win for Java..
    6. Do you sincerely think that the Blu Ray companies are going to support Microsoft in their hardware, I doubt it…

    It opens a lot of possibilities, but whether Microsoft is the one party going to benefit, I sincerely doubt it.

  12. I think Robert was getting at their investment in IPTV – which really is leading the industry. Movie downloads on the XBOX also lead the industry.

    What I don’t like about BRay is the fact that I will have to buy the DVD as well as the BRay if I want to play the movie in the car, or copy it to iPod etc… I can’t see the DRM heavy managed copy working with many devices. Now the competition is disappearing there won’t be much incentive to provide combo disks like we had with HDDVD.

  13. I think Robert was getting at their investment in IPTV – which really is leading the industry. Movie downloads on the XBOX also lead the industry.

    What I don’t like about BRay is the fact that I will have to buy the DVD as well as the BRay if I want to play the movie in the car, or copy it to iPod etc… I can’t see the DRM heavy managed copy working with many devices. Now the competition is disappearing there won’t be much incentive to provide combo disks like we had with HDDVD.

  14. About movies via download,

    1. Let’s say I want to watch a particular movie tonight. I get the popcorn, I get the drinks, I sit down in my comfortable chair. Oops the net is down Sh%^&*!

    2. I buy all my movies from one service that allows me to stream my movies anytime I want.Oops the company goes bankrupt Cr%^&*!

    The is nothing like having the physical object in your hands, Watch what I want when I want.

  15. About movies via download,

    1. Let’s say I want to watch a particular movie tonight. I get the popcorn, I get the drinks, I sit down in my comfortable chair. Oops the net is down Sh%^&*!

    2. I buy all my movies from one service that allows me to stream my movies anytime I want.Oops the company goes bankrupt Cr%^&*!

    The is nothing like having the physical object in your hands, Watch what I want when I want.

  16. Whereas I love the Internet and have a high-speed pipe at home, I do not wish to bog my speeds down simply to watch a movie. People fail to realize that this cost you even more than just buying the damn DVD. You also now MUST HAVE a high-speed connection and the desire to use it for pulling content down that expires.

  17. Whereas I love the Internet and have a high-speed pipe at home, I do not wish to bog my speeds down simply to watch a movie. People fail to realize that this cost you even more than just buying the damn DVD. You also now MUST HAVE a high-speed connection and the desire to use it for pulling content down that expires.

  18. I very much doubt that “most of the people hanging out in the BlogHaus point” represent an average cross-section of UK (I’m British) or US movie watchers.

    I don’t see downloads replacing physical media for high-def movies in the near future. Not in the same way that dowlnloads are ousting CDs, anyway.

    People – generally – don’t have the hardware or bandwidth to make it a viable proposition. Blu-ray it is then.

  19. I very much doubt that “most of the people hanging out in the BlogHaus point” represent an average cross-section of UK (I’m British) or US movie watchers.

    I don’t see downloads replacing physical media for high-def movies in the near future. Not in the same way that dowlnloads are ousting CDs, anyway.

    People – generally – don’t have the hardware or bandwidth to make it a viable proposition. Blu-ray it is then.

  20. Well that is strange because I heard Microsoft was not committing on a internal drive until the war of format was over. Until then XBOX will have a internal drive. In the current battle it would trade up those already committed games or their drive units could contain both lasers (like LG’s duel drive )Either way Microsoft is sitting on the fence just like a lot of others

  21. Well that is strange because I heard Microsoft was not committing on a internal drive until the war of format was over. Until then XBOX will have a internal drive. In the current battle it would trade up those already committed games or their drive units could contain both lasers (like LG’s duel drive )Either way Microsoft is sitting on the fence just like a lot of others

  22. Two bits.

    X-box live movie downloads last 14 days if you do not watch them. Once you start watching is when the 24hr drm deathclock kicks in.

    According to gizmodo, http://gizmodo.com/341938/sony-blu+ray+to+psp-movie-transfer-gets-official it appears that you will be able to take your BlueRay to go, but only if you have a PSP.

    Well played Sony, Well played.

    (At least I have an overpriced usb DVD add-on aka the 360 HD-DVD drive.)

    Now, MS needs to go ahead with a triple punch and announce a BlueRay add on for the 360, Content transfer from the 360 to Zune, and movie purchases through Zune/360.

    Until then, it appears Sony and Apple have an upper hand.

  23. Two bits.

    X-box live movie downloads last 14 days if you do not watch them. Once you start watching is when the 24hr drm deathclock kicks in.

    According to gizmodo, http://gizmodo.com/341938/sony-blu+ray+to+psp-movie-transfer-gets-official it appears that you will be able to take your BlueRay to go, but only if you have a PSP.

    Well played Sony, Well played.

    (At least I have an overpriced usb DVD add-on aka the 360 HD-DVD drive.)

    Now, MS needs to go ahead with a triple punch and announce a BlueRay add on for the 360, Content transfer from the 360 to Zune, and movie purchases through Zune/360.

    Until then, it appears Sony and Apple have an upper hand.

  24. “But most of the people hanging out in the BlogHaus point out that they are already switching their lives to movies that are downloaded. Netflix is doing that. So is, um, Xbox.”

    I’m sure most of the people at the “BlogHaus” do other geeky, nerdy things most of the rest of the world doesn’t do. I’d hardly call people at the BlogHaus any type of barometer. Until the average Joe can do this as easily as changing a channel, it’s not happening anytime soon.

  25. “But most of the people hanging out in the BlogHaus point out that they are already switching their lives to movies that are downloaded. Netflix is doing that. So is, um, Xbox.”

    I’m sure most of the people at the “BlogHaus” do other geeky, nerdy things most of the rest of the world doesn’t do. I’d hardly call people at the BlogHaus any type of barometer. Until the average Joe can do this as easily as changing a channel, it’s not happening anytime soon.

  26. Pointing out the obvious…

    1. Even if by some parting-of-the-Red-Sea miracle, and the world tunes into easy DRM-free cheap downloadable content (another miracle itself) by tomorrow morning, Microsoft is not automatically in a position to benefit. Walmart/HP shut their doors, and iTunes video sales are quite the downer. Another Microsoft URGE? Please. And I don’t buy the conspiracy theories that Microsoft supported the loser, just to grant a market for downloadable content. HD-DVD had Microsoft software, they stood to benefit, they stood to reap future rewards, hardware and softwarewise. As of now, they are shut-out — that supposed “last laugh” is really a belly-wail.

    2. Bloghaus is hardly a representative audience, besides, I’d bet most of them are private tracker torrentheads, and no commerical replacement, however good, can’t ever beat the free. You have to fiddle with codecs, demuxing and various sync issues at times, nothing too out there for that crowd. But the general public, not a chance.

    3. Physical media, can be watched over and over, is not tied to one machine (well once standards are more common), can be rented or borrowed, and is easy to purchase, display and bundle. And can be watched whenever YOU want to, not on some automatic 14-day countdown.

    4. Bandwith and time. It’s not some compressed-to-heck smallish mp3′s, 4.5 gigs is huge enough, the Blu-ray kick-up’s, are going to require fiber-like speeds. And even then, they might just offer the movie itself, without the some of the multi-gigged special-feature extra’s that people actually want. Maybe the Doogie Bloghausers don’t mind spending hours downloading movies, but the mass market wants it now, like yesterday.

    5. Microsoft IPTV is another “Xbox 360 success story”, just getting there will cost billions and billions, with no profit in sight. Pushing IPTV, Media Center and HD DVD into the hodgepodge Microsoft Connected TV business group, is another Microsoft Enterprise trainwreck, no clear focus with nowhere to go. Exit the Consumer markets already.

  27. Pointing out the obvious…

    1. Even if by some parting-of-the-Red-Sea miracle, and the world tunes into easy DRM-free cheap downloadable content (another miracle itself) by tomorrow morning, Microsoft is not automatically in a position to benefit. Walmart/HP shut their doors, and iTunes video sales are quite the downer. Another Microsoft URGE? Please. And I don’t buy the conspiracy theories that Microsoft supported the loser, just to grant a market for downloadable content. HD-DVD had Microsoft software, they stood to benefit, they stood to reap future rewards, hardware and softwarewise. As of now, they are shut-out — that supposed “last laugh” is really a belly-wail.

    2. Bloghaus is hardly a representative audience, besides, I’d bet most of them are private tracker torrentheads, and no commerical replacement, however good, can’t ever beat the free. You have to fiddle with codecs, demuxing and various sync issues at times, nothing too out there for that crowd. But the general public, not a chance.

    3. Physical media, can be watched over and over, is not tied to one machine (well once standards are more common), can be rented or borrowed, and is easy to purchase, display and bundle. And can be watched whenever YOU want to, not on some automatic 14-day countdown.

    4. Bandwith and time. It’s not some compressed-to-heck smallish mp3′s, 4.5 gigs is huge enough, the Blu-ray kick-up’s, are going to require fiber-like speeds. And even then, they might just offer the movie itself, without the some of the multi-gigged special-feature extra’s that people actually want. Maybe the Doogie Bloghausers don’t mind spending hours downloading movies, but the mass market wants it now, like yesterday.

    5. Microsoft IPTV is another “Xbox 360 success story”, just getting there will cost billions and billions, with no profit in sight. Pushing IPTV, Media Center and HD DVD into the hodgepodge Microsoft Connected TV business group, is another Microsoft Enterprise trainwreck, no clear focus with nowhere to go. Exit the Consumer markets already.

  28. Robert– have you checked out the XstreamHD booth yet? That’s something that looks to be in the too-good-to-be-true category, but could be a physical medium killer.

  29. Robert– have you checked out the XstreamHD booth yet? That’s something that looks to be in the too-good-to-be-true category, but could be a physical medium killer.

  30. The problem with the whole concept of the current internet enabled TV proposed offerings (as I discussed in another forum here http://silkcharm.blogspot.com/2008/01/australia-foxtel-killer.html) is that the hardware manafacturers/vendors ‘own’ the physical relationship which far outweighs anything that YouTube can bring to the table.

    lol – the same mistake Akimbo made in selling themselves short to Microsoft media center platform (but thats a discussion for another day) is that hardware vendors sell themselves short for content when the ownership of the physical space in a customers home is far more key.

    Cheers,
    Dean Collins
    http://www.Cognation.net

  31. The problem with the whole concept of the current internet enabled TV proposed offerings (as I discussed in another forum here http://silkcharm.blogspot.com/2008/01/australia-foxtel-killer.html) is that the hardware manafacturers/vendors ‘own’ the physical relationship which far outweighs anything that YouTube can bring to the table.

    lol – the same mistake Akimbo made in selling themselves short to Microsoft media center platform (but thats a discussion for another day) is that hardware vendors sell themselves short for content when the ownership of the physical space in a customers home is far more key.

    Cheers,
    Dean Collins
    http://www.Cognation.net

  32. The 24 hour rental is a old outdated business model and streaming like Netflix does is the future ” i definately agree with you man. but piracy is the main issue in such products~~~

  33. The 24 hour rental is a old outdated business model and streaming like Netflix does is the future ” i definately agree with you man. but piracy is the main issue in such products~~~