Apple stabs Adobe in the back

On a week when Microsoft landed a big deal to put Silverlight on Nokia phones, Apple’s CEO, Steve Jobs, tells Adobe that there won’t be Flash on the iPhone.

This is a real bummer for Adobe and many users and developers, because most of the world’s casual games are written for Flash. Just go over to game site Kongregate. Or, look at the world’s video like that on YouTube (or any other video site like the Qik one that I use on my cell phone). Almost all of it is done in Flash. Now developers at those sites will need to find some other method to get those games and videos onto the iPhone.

This is a HUGE opening for Microsoft to take momentum and mind share away from Flash/Flex/AIR with its Silverlight set of technologies (which, based on my Twitter conversations, is winning developers over at a pretty good pace).

So, what is Steve thinking? He probably didn’t want to hand control of developers to another company, but Apple might also have had concerns about battery life or it just might not have been able to make Flash work well on the iPhone. I can’t believe that Apple couldn’t find a way to make these things work, though. Flash isn’t that heavyweight, it might have taken some committment on behalf of Apple to rewrite Flash to work and it sounds like Apple wants to go the way of SVG (it has long been rumored to be working on SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics, which is an open W3C standard) for the iPhone).

The inside story has yet to be told on this one. Not that Adobe is in a place to retaliate by only doing something like future versions of Photoshop or Illustrator on Windows or Linux (which would hurt Apple, but would hurt Adobe itself in its real war with Microsoft) but Adobe has got to be smarting from this decision this morning. After all it was Adobe that helped solidify the Macintosh’s role in the world with its desktop publishing, fonts, and Postscript technologies.

Does this put a death blow onto the Flash/Flex/AIR teams? No, but it certainly does cripple their chances against Microsoft’s Silverlight. I’ll be at Microsoft’s Mix conference later today to report on that angle.

UPDATE: Microsoft’s keynote this morning at its sold-out Mix conference will be webcast live, Neowin is reporting. I’m hearing there’s some news coming there, and also later in the afternoon.

207 thoughts on “Apple stabs Adobe in the back

  1. “Do you LIVE in the USA? Where DSL is around 1.5M/sec and Cingular [stink-u-lar] runs Edge instead of 3G? Your ‘RIA’ stuff will fall flat. And does.”

    Actually the RIA style of web app does much better in this scenario as it’s not constantly pulling newly generated web page UI from the server. It just makes SOA services calls to the server – or even better does BlazeDS messaging (server-side push of events), which use less bandwidth.

    The nice thing about RIA web app approach of Adobe Flex is it puts MVC back down completely on the client-side. It was a brain dead approach in splitting MVC across network tiers that all the server-side web frameworks have done all these years. It is web 1.0 apps that suck in particular when bandwidth is mediocre. Our customers love our Flex apps as they’re so much more robust than old web 1.0 web apps due to this very issue.

  2. “Do you LIVE in the USA? Where DSL is around 1.5M/sec and Cingular [stink-u-lar] runs Edge instead of 3G? Your ‘RIA’ stuff will fall flat. And does.”

    Actually the RIA style of web app does much better in this scenario as it’s not constantly pulling newly generated web page UI from the server. It just makes SOA services calls to the server – or even better does BlazeDS messaging (server-side push of events), which use less bandwidth.

    The nice thing about RIA web app approach of Adobe Flex is it puts MVC back down completely on the client-side. It was a brain dead approach in splitting MVC across network tiers that all the server-side web frameworks have done all these years. It is web 1.0 apps that suck in particular when bandwidth is mediocre. Our customers love our Flex apps as they’re so much more robust than old web 1.0 web apps due to this very issue.

  3. “Flash is used 80% of the time or more in ‘look at me!’ crap like banners and ads; that slow down and crash browsers. Jobs was WISE to keep that crap off his iPhones. Joe Cartoon nonwithstanding.”

    People keep trying to demean Adobe’s RIA technology by referencing the years of multi-media marketing annoyances built on Flash. However, since August 2006 release of Flex 2 beta (followed by Jan 2007 release of production Flex 2), it has been all about RIA – which is based on the Flex technology enhancement of the Flash player.

    This is what enterprise IT is now busily retooling its business applications around – which is now Flex 3 and AIR.

    Flex/AIR is now being used to retool what once was being built using such things as Java Swing, .NET Winform (in my company we’ve abandoned .NET for Flex-based GUIs), and even in some cases Java applets.

    However, because Flex is a web RIA solution that runs perfectly (and consistently well) in all browsers of note, it is also a great RIA solution for retooling the consumer Internet user experience. Flash player is the most defacto programming standard that exist on the Internet (as HTML/DOM/Javascript are not very consistent and hence not much of a standard actually exist in that realm). That’s a very happy story as the Flash player is so pervasively seeded due to sites like YouTube.com. None-the-less, Flex was first devised and aimed at enterprise software development. It’s rather cool, though, how the old programming paradigm of Flash meshes so well and rather seamlessly with the new Flex programming model. That makes for some very nice UI capability.

  4. “Flash is used 80% of the time or more in ‘look at me!’ crap like banners and ads; that slow down and crash browsers. Jobs was WISE to keep that crap off his iPhones. Joe Cartoon nonwithstanding.”

    People keep trying to demean Adobe’s RIA technology by referencing the years of multi-media marketing annoyances built on Flash. However, since August 2006 release of Flex 2 beta (followed by Jan 2007 release of production Flex 2), it has been all about RIA – which is based on the Flex technology enhancement of the Flash player.

    This is what enterprise IT is now busily retooling its business applications around – which is now Flex 3 and AIR.

    Flex/AIR is now being used to retool what once was being built using such things as Java Swing, .NET Winform (in my company we’ve abandoned .NET for Flex-based GUIs), and even in some cases Java applets.

    However, because Flex is a web RIA solution that runs perfectly (and consistently well) in all browsers of note, it is also a great RIA solution for retooling the consumer Internet user experience. Flash player is the most defacto programming standard that exist on the Internet (as HTML/DOM/Javascript are not very consistent and hence not much of a standard actually exist in that realm). That’s a very happy story as the Flash player is so pervasively seeded due to sites like YouTube.com. None-the-less, Flex was first devised and aimed at enterprise software development. It’s rather cool, though, how the old programming paradigm of Flash meshes so well and rather seamlessly with the new Flex programming model. That makes for some very nice UI capability.

  5. @R Majhen:

    Nope, I’m just pissed at all you fanbois who are trying to cram Director crapola down our throats.

    I’m don’t much like the Silverlight fanbois either.. they are beyond pathetic.

    As to my ‘research’ and ‘experience’ open your damn eyes.

    * Mobile phones still have POSTAGE STAMP displays. Even the iPhone / Touch displays are ONLY 320×480. Steve was RIGHT to cordon off Youtube to its own app, and restrict _Mobile_Safari from downloading or plugins. For the iPhone it’s all about what powers the RIM set too: Textual and static graphic content.

    If you want to develop ‘games’ or ‘farting frog interactivity’ then use the SDK. Steve is after the Enterprise customers who favor _reliability_ over _flying baloney_.

    * Flash is used 80% of the time or more in ‘look at me!’ crap like banners and ads; that slow down and crash browsers. Jobs was WISE to keep that crap off his iPhones. Joe Cartoon nonwithstanding.

    Again, Flash is [blink] or animated gif. If you wanna look all cheap and porno, then by all means bandy about that acronym RIA or ‘embedded content’ some more. Meanwhile Scooby Dooby can’t [embed] in WordPress because the WP folks consider it a security risk. Which. it. is.

    * Content that you want to pipe thru Flash / Flex / Air doesn’t have to be piped at all. There are REAL robust solutions like Java apps and uh, HTML/CSS for that. Unless you’re pitching Fuh-lash as a type of DRM so that users can’t copy and paste text. In which case you’re in the DRM bid-ness. Which is in decline.

    * Do you LIVE in the USA? Where DSL is around 1.5M/sec and Cingular [stink-u-lar] runs Edge instead of 3G? Your ‘RIA’ stuff will fall flat. And does.

    * Anyway, we’re headed into a recession. MS and Adobe are shifting MOST if not all their Dev to India, meaning your ‘authoring tools’ and ‘dev environments’ will be buggier than shit. I kinda feel sorry for you propeller heads stuck in visual basic, Lingo, Action script.

    As to my language, Scooby Dooby’s blog was such patent BS, I just couldn’t resist on loading up on some good rotgut and then typing it like it is. Cheers!

  6. @R Majhen:

    Nope, I’m just pissed at all you fanbois who are trying to cram Director crapola down our throats.

    I’m don’t much like the Silverlight fanbois either.. they are beyond pathetic.

    As to my ‘research’ and ‘experience’ open your damn eyes.

    * Mobile phones still have POSTAGE STAMP displays. Even the iPhone / Touch displays are ONLY 320×480. Steve was RIGHT to cordon off Youtube to its own app, and restrict _Mobile_Safari from downloading or plugins. For the iPhone it’s all about what powers the RIM set too: Textual and static graphic content.

    If you want to develop ‘games’ or ‘farting frog interactivity’ then use the SDK. Steve is after the Enterprise customers who favor _reliability_ over _flying baloney_.

    * Flash is used 80% of the time or more in ‘look at me!’ crap like banners and ads; that slow down and crash browsers. Jobs was WISE to keep that crap off his iPhones. Joe Cartoon nonwithstanding.

    Again, Flash is [blink] or animated gif. If you wanna look all cheap and porno, then by all means bandy about that acronym RIA or ‘embedded content’ some more. Meanwhile Scooby Dooby can’t [embed] in WordPress because the WP folks consider it a security risk. Which. it. is.

    * Content that you want to pipe thru Flash / Flex / Air doesn’t have to be piped at all. There are REAL robust solutions like Java apps and uh, HTML/CSS for that. Unless you’re pitching Fuh-lash as a type of DRM so that users can’t copy and paste text. In which case you’re in the DRM bid-ness. Which is in decline.

    * Do you LIVE in the USA? Where DSL is around 1.5M/sec and Cingular [stink-u-lar] runs Edge instead of 3G? Your ‘RIA’ stuff will fall flat. And does.

    * Anyway, we’re headed into a recession. MS and Adobe are shifting MOST if not all their Dev to India, meaning your ‘authoring tools’ and ‘dev environments’ will be buggier than shit. I kinda feel sorry for you propeller heads stuck in visual basic, Lingo, Action script.

    As to my language, Scooby Dooby’s blog was such patent BS, I just couldn’t resist on loading up on some good rotgut and then typing it like it is. Cheers!

  7. To Some Geek … why are you trying to leave impression how big geek you really are … the nick … then this deprecated language . Are these information you are providing here based on your research and experience? Well … mine are.

  8. To Some Geek … why are you trying to leave impression how big geek you really are … the nick … then this deprecated language . Are these information you are providing here based on your research and experience? Well … mine are.

  9. I’ve never seen a more patently ridiculous blog from a sold-called hotshot blogger.

    Just as Sun announced they’ll be porting Java JME to the iPhone SDK, Adobe will be able to do their own port of the Flash Player to iPhone. Sun examined the iPhone SDK and found it entirely adequate to proceed to take matters into their own hands to get Java on iPhone. (We all know how Steve has infamously panned Java for the iPhone.)

    Let’s face it, Steve Jobs says a lot of crap for marketing reasons that serve his own personal vision of Apple supremacy. Adobe’s Flash/Flex/AIR and Sun’s Java crimp his style in that regard.

    Yet at the same time, Apple had to bow to the reality that the iPhone will succeed in the long term by cultivating a 3rd party market for software – hence the iPhone SDK. So the genie is out of the bag.

    Scoble, when it comes to trying to project a reality distortion field in this matter of Silverlight vs. Flex, dude you come off as completely pathetic – and ridiculous.

    Silverlight 1.0 player has 1.5 million downloads a day. Silverlight 2.0 is still mere betaware even after MIX. (All those downloads are still just 1.0 media players so there’s still no seeding of the consumer market with a Silverlight that is capable of competing against Flash Player 9, which supports Flex 2 and Flex 3.

    In the developed countries, the Flash Player 9 penetration of Internet users is already above 90%. Now think of that as one ponders this figure:

    Despite how already saturated the Internet audience is with a Flash Player 9 capable of running Flex 2 and 3 RIA web apps, Adobe still sees 12 million new downloads (vs. the 1.5 million sited for Silverlight above).

    Flex RIA is so far ahead of Microsoft’s great hope Silverlight 2.0, one has to wonder why Microsoft should even bother. Where things stand today, Adobe technologically is a full two generations ahead of Silverlight. In end-user adoption, there’s not even a comparison to be made as there is no consumer adoption to talk about for a Silverlight where it could be considered to compete against Adobe’s Flex and AIR.

    Microsoft lands one somewhat significant deal (NBC sports) while everybody else of note goes with Flash and Flex. The Salesforce.com CEO is pretty typical of the corporate stance on the matter right now – Salesforce.com is only concentrating on Flash/Flex/AIR, they’ll not be bothering to mess with Silverlight at all. The only folks that pay any attention to Silverlight are those that are rigidly .NET in their development stack. Those that care about succeeding in the marketplace with a superior technology are sticking with Flash/Flex/AIR. And Flex will work just fine with a .NET tool stack too so there’s no reason those folks should consider themselves captive to Microsoft Silverlight.

    It’s fine to champion a company one favours, but jeeze, spouting nothing but empty bravado comes off merely as pathetic.

  10. I’ve never seen a more patently ridiculous blog from a sold-called hotshot blogger.

    Just as Sun announced they’ll be porting Java JME to the iPhone SDK, Adobe will be able to do their own port of the Flash Player to iPhone. Sun examined the iPhone SDK and found it entirely adequate to proceed to take matters into their own hands to get Java on iPhone. (We all know how Steve has infamously panned Java for the iPhone.)

    Let’s face it, Steve Jobs says a lot of crap for marketing reasons that serve his own personal vision of Apple supremacy. Adobe’s Flash/Flex/AIR and Sun’s Java crimp his style in that regard.

    Yet at the same time, Apple had to bow to the reality that the iPhone will succeed in the long term by cultivating a 3rd party market for software – hence the iPhone SDK. So the genie is out of the bag.

    Scoble, when it comes to trying to project a reality distortion field in this matter of Silverlight vs. Flex, dude you come off as completely pathetic – and ridiculous.

    Silverlight 1.0 player has 1.5 million downloads a day. Silverlight 2.0 is still mere betaware even after MIX. (All those downloads are still just 1.0 media players so there’s still no seeding of the consumer market with a Silverlight that is capable of competing against Flash Player 9, which supports Flex 2 and Flex 3.

    In the developed countries, the Flash Player 9 penetration of Internet users is already above 90%. Now think of that as one ponders this figure:

    Despite how already saturated the Internet audience is with a Flash Player 9 capable of running Flex 2 and 3 RIA web apps, Adobe still sees 12 million new downloads (vs. the 1.5 million sited for Silverlight above).

    Flex RIA is so far ahead of Microsoft’s great hope Silverlight 2.0, one has to wonder why Microsoft should even bother. Where things stand today, Adobe technologically is a full two generations ahead of Silverlight. In end-user adoption, there’s not even a comparison to be made as there is no consumer adoption to talk about for a Silverlight where it could be considered to compete against Adobe’s Flex and AIR.

    Microsoft lands one somewhat significant deal (NBC sports) while everybody else of note goes with Flash and Flex. The Salesforce.com CEO is pretty typical of the corporate stance on the matter right now – Salesforce.com is only concentrating on Flash/Flex/AIR, they’ll not be bothering to mess with Silverlight at all. The only folks that pay any attention to Silverlight are those that are rigidly .NET in their development stack. Those that care about succeeding in the marketplace with a superior technology are sticking with Flash/Flex/AIR. And Flex will work just fine with a .NET tool stack too so there’s no reason those folks should consider themselves captive to Microsoft Silverlight.

    It’s fine to champion a company one favours, but jeeze, spouting nothing but empty bravado comes off merely as pathetic.

  11. Presumably, Adobe could, as Sun is promising to do with Java, deliver a version of Flash for the iPhone themselves. Consider how long it took for them to port their apps to 1. OSX and 2. OSX on Intel, Apple probably isn’t about to make promises about delivering Flash on iPhone in any timeframe.

    Also, all the current apps, IIRC, are developed by Apple, meaning Adobe would have to share source code with Apple, which is also probably not all that likely. Considering Sun’s promise to bring Java to iPhone, those who really want Flash (*cough* animated banner ads *cough*) on the iPhone should start pestering Adobe. :-)

  12. Presumably, Adobe could, as Sun is promising to do with Java, deliver a version of Flash for the iPhone themselves. Consider how long it took for them to port their apps to 1. OSX and 2. OSX on Intel, Apple probably isn’t about to make promises about delivering Flash on iPhone in any timeframe.

    Also, all the current apps, IIRC, are developed by Apple, meaning Adobe would have to share source code with Apple, which is also probably not all that likely. Considering Sun’s promise to bring Java to iPhone, those who really want Flash (*cough* animated banner ads *cough*) on the iPhone should start pestering Adobe. :-)

  13. I think the technical challenges could be overcome.

    However, I agree that the reason is strategy.
    (Flash would be a back door to the iPhone)

    While there’s a lot of flash-based content you may want to enjoy, in the end Flash is a kludegy platform that should be minimized and depricated.

    Having competition from Silverlight and whatever Apple decides to put on the iPhone will be a very good thing, in the end. Despite your short-term pain.

  14. I think the technical challenges could be overcome.

    However, I agree that the reason is strategy.
    (Flash would be a back door to the iPhone)

    While there’s a lot of flash-based content you may want to enjoy, in the end Flash is a kludegy platform that should be minimized and depricated.

    Having competition from Silverlight and whatever Apple decides to put on the iPhone will be a very good thing, in the end. Despite your short-term pain.

  15. Sorry. I meant ADOBE also doesn’t get the bone. My bad. Some more thoughts:

    5/ Why do you think Apple has been working with Youtube / Google ? To get out of that little *.flv wrapper. It really doesn’t matter that Adobe added h.264 support, that’s like a *burp* at the dinner table. If Adobe wants on the iPhone, they are going to have to make their own Flash browser, or perhaps they’ll partner with a sympathetic browser vendor and you’ll see a signed application.

    But Flash as a plugin in MobileSafari? [duly note the name]. Don’t. Make. Me. Laugh.

  16. Sorry. I meant ADOBE also doesn’t get the bone. My bad. Some more thoughts:

    5/ Why do you think Apple has been working with Youtube / Google ? To get out of that little *.flv wrapper. It really doesn’t matter that Adobe added h.264 support, that’s like a *burp* at the dinner table. If Adobe wants on the iPhone, they are going to have to make their own Flash browser, or perhaps they’ll partner with a sympathetic browser vendor and you’ll see a signed application.

    But Flash as a plugin in MobileSafari? [duly note the name]. Don’t. Make. Me. Laugh.

  17. What a wag. Scobbie, you conveniently ignore-

    1/ While your butt end of the world are flash fanbois, the rest of us are installing Flashblock. I *love* that movie, it shows content uncluttered by the [blink] tag of this generation, Fuh-lash.

    2/ Apple is not going to allow Adobe to hold what is it? 2.5 mil handsets hostage to Adobe’s timeline to update their cruddy Flashplayer plugin. Why subject handset ENDusers to what Desktop Mac users gnash their teeth over??

    3/ There’s an SDK. Adobe can line up like every other vendor and port Fuh-lash Light like everyone else.

    4/ Oh, and here’s an important one: the US telco infrastructure. Lessee how all that ‘Rich Content’ you keep getting wet over runs. On the mis-named ‘Edge’ network.

    Basically, Stevo is killing a number of birds with one stone. Apple doesn’t get the bone, neither does Microsoft, and users [of the burdened Edge system] all win. Win-Win-Win. Except for Adobe and Fuh-lash fanbois.

  18. What a wag. Scobbie, you conveniently ignore-

    1/ While your butt end of the world are flash fanbois, the rest of us are installing Flashblock. I *love* that movie, it shows content uncluttered by the [blink] tag of this generation, Fuh-lash.

    2/ Apple is not going to allow Adobe to hold what is it? 2.5 mil handsets hostage to Adobe’s timeline to update their cruddy Flashplayer plugin. Why subject handset ENDusers to what Desktop Mac users gnash their teeth over??

    3/ There’s an SDK. Adobe can line up like every other vendor and port Fuh-lash Light like everyone else.

    4/ Oh, and here’s an important one: the US telco infrastructure. Lessee how all that ‘Rich Content’ you keep getting wet over runs. On the mis-named ‘Edge’ network.

    Basically, Stevo is killing a number of birds with one stone. Apple doesn’t get the bone, neither does Microsoft, and users [of the burdened Edge system] all win. Win-Win-Win. Except for Adobe and Fuh-lash fanbois.

  19. ok … since we are in Flash since 1999 I may not be objective, but … few facts:

    1. There is a flash player for windows mobile that runs inside IE … it works great since we developed applications and tested them

    2. Flash Lite isnt going to be standard for applications but flash player inside browser will

    3. Opera will release their Opera Mobile 9.5 with Flash Lite 3 integrated into browser very soon

    4. Dont forget independent browser manufacturer .. try Skyfire … once iSDK is out they will most likely create version for iPhone too that supports flash player

    5. Peak of mobile gaming market is few years away from now .. try to imagine how will handhelds look like 2011. …. can you imagine not running Flash?

    My 2 cents on topic :)

  20. ok … since we are in Flash since 1999 I may not be objective, but … few facts:

    1. There is a flash player for windows mobile that runs inside IE … it works great since we developed applications and tested them

    2. Flash Lite isnt going to be standard for applications but flash player inside browser will

    3. Opera will release their Opera Mobile 9.5 with Flash Lite 3 integrated into browser very soon

    4. Dont forget independent browser manufacturer .. try Skyfire … once iSDK is out they will most likely create version for iPhone too that supports flash player

    5. Peak of mobile gaming market is few years away from now .. try to imagine how will handhelds look like 2011. …. can you imagine not running Flash?

    My 2 cents on topic :)

  21. Before you write an inflammatory headline like “Apple stabs Adobe in the back” and then admit that you DON’T really know the issues (“I can’t believe” is not the same as being able to say “here’s why that’s not accurate”), why not… GET the facts?

    I.e.: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/03/05/steve_jobs_pans_flash_on_the_iphone.html

    Until this moment I honestly had much more respect for your opinion on anything tech. From here on, anything I see on your site has to be open to question.

  22. Before you write an inflammatory headline like “Apple stabs Adobe in the back” and then admit that you DON’T really know the issues (“I can’t believe” is not the same as being able to say “here’s why that’s not accurate”), why not… GET the facts?

    I.e.: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/03/05/steve_jobs_pans_flash_on_the_iphone.html

    Until this moment I honestly had much more respect for your opinion on anything tech. From here on, anything I see on your site has to be open to question.

  23. a whole hour with John Kao

    Actually I have watched some, mostly of him trying to sell his book and outlook, it’s not really an interview, it’s an informerical. File him under ‘endless talking head’, not a techie, so I guess you get brownie points for that. And I was thinking in terms of overall strategy and editorial content marriages.

  24. a whole hour with John Kao

    Actually I have watched some, mostly of him trying to sell his book and outlook, it’s not really an interview, it’s an informerical. File him under ‘endless talking head’, not a techie, so I guess you get brownie points for that. And I was thinking in terms of overall strategy and editorial content marriages.

  25. Dude, the iPhone chokes on Google Reader. Flash rendering that isn’t shitty?

    nowai.

    Maybe iPhone rev 2 when they can shove more RAM and a faster and more energy efficient processor in there.

  26. Dude, the iPhone chokes on Google Reader. Flash rendering that isn’t shitty?

    nowai.

    Maybe iPhone rev 2 when they can shove more RAM and a faster and more energy efficient processor in there.

  27. “Flash isn’t that heavyweight”?

    Are you nuts Robert? Look at the javascript specs that iPhone does … it’s 10,000 times slower than your average PC. Flash does just about everything with the CPU. I’ve noticed that when I play flash video on my old laptop the cpu fan kicks in.

    Seriously, the iPhone isn’t powerful enough to run Flash, just like we’d never expect it to play Quake.

  28. “Flash isn’t that heavyweight”?

    Are you nuts Robert? Look at the javascript specs that iPhone does … it’s 10,000 times slower than your average PC. Flash does just about everything with the CPU. I’ve noticed that when I play flash video on my old laptop the cpu fan kicks in.

    Seriously, the iPhone isn’t powerful enough to run Flash, just like we’d never expect it to play Quake.

  29. Christopher: we have a whole hour with John Kao, who taught business for 14 years. If that’s not good enough for Fast Company’s readers, I don’t know what is. It’s pretty obvious you haven’t even watched the videos.

  30. Christopher: we have a whole hour with John Kao, who taught business for 14 years. If that’s not good enough for Fast Company’s readers, I don’t know what is. It’s pretty obvious you haven’t even watched the videos.

  31. Stabs in back? Gotta love bloggers, drama-queening and conspiracy theorizing everything they understand not.

    Flash regular is too heavy, and Flash Lite lacks the full ‘Zen of Apple’ feel, says Jobs — nothing more or less complicated than that.

    PS – FastCompany.TV? That maybe I could look forward to, but this is just Scoble Show minus the trainwreck of Podtech. Ouch. Dud. Should have hit ground running with a fuller slate of programming, something that would actually appeal to the Inc. and Fast Company readers, as I can’t imagine the tech slash celebrity romps (and eternally endless Talking Heads and Photo Walks) will hold broad appeal beyond the usual cult. Would be interesting, if instead of going off Scoble Show willy-nilly, it would actually follow the editorial ballgame, i.e. a company walk-thru or extended interview, based on something featured in the current issue. Marry the content, instead of just another ScoblewhateverIbumpintoChannel9Podtech copycat.

  32. Stabs in back? Gotta love bloggers, drama-queening and conspiracy theorizing everything they understand not.

    Flash regular is too heavy, and Flash Lite lacks the full ‘Zen of Apple’ feel, says Jobs — nothing more or less complicated than that.

    PS – FastCompany.TV? That maybe I could look forward to, but this is just Scoble Show minus the trainwreck of Podtech. Ouch. Dud. Should have hit ground running with a fuller slate of programming, something that would actually appeal to the Inc. and Fast Company readers, as I can’t imagine the tech slash celebrity romps (and eternally endless Talking Heads and Photo Walks) will hold broad appeal beyond the usual cult. Would be interesting, if instead of going off Scoble Show willy-nilly, it would actually follow the editorial ballgame, i.e. a company walk-thru or extended interview, based on something featured in the current issue. Marry the content, instead of just another ScoblewhateverIbumpintoChannel9Podtech copycat.

  33. Why is this focused only alleged politice between Adobe and Apple? Why is the the technical feasibility of adding Flash support *NOT* a viable arguement here? Additionally, what mobile platform currently supports Flash *WELL*? (Keywords being supports Flash well.)

  34. Why is this focused only alleged politice between Adobe and Apple? Why is the the technical feasibility of adding Flash support *NOT* a viable arguement here? Additionally, what mobile platform currently supports Flash *WELL*? (Keywords being supports Flash well.)

  35. Flash lite? Why does the iPhone need flash? Silverlight will die a slow painful death. No tools to develop with on the Mac. Why would Apple use Silverlight so it can take the same abuse from MS that it has taken over the years with Office? Why would Apple give MS any kind of leverage into this part of their business knowing how MS uses this leverage to control others fortunes? Anyone that thinks that is going to happen has their head up their arse & has no sense of the history between these two companies. Hey Robert, Apple was also a large part why Adobe succeeded & still does. MS, of course had absolutely no part in making desktop publishing happen. You’re statements are just ignorant.

  36. Flash lite? Why does the iPhone need flash? Silverlight will die a slow painful death. No tools to develop with on the Mac. Why would Apple use Silverlight so it can take the same abuse from MS that it has taken over the years with Office? Why would Apple give MS any kind of leverage into this part of their business knowing how MS uses this leverage to control others fortunes? Anyone that thinks that is going to happen has their head up their arse & has no sense of the history between these two companies. Hey Robert, Apple was also a large part why Adobe succeeded & still does. MS, of course had absolutely no part in making desktop publishing happen. You’re statements are just ignorant.

  37. once again viewership is low and robert and the gang at fastcompany are getting nervous.

    time to take a topic from techmeme and craft a really flamboyant headline.

    apple is always good for comments. “stab in the back” should provoke the fan boys.

    presto, more downloads!

  38. once again viewership is low and robert and the gang at fastcompany are getting nervous.

    time to take a topic from techmeme and craft a really flamboyant headline.

    apple is always good for comments. “stab in the back” should provoke the fan boys.

    presto, more downloads!

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